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It is true.

There are violent and dangerous extremist on both sides the American political spectrum. See: Republicans Say They’ve Received Threats Too See also: Pellet-In-Rush’s-Head Chris Matthews Condemns Republicans For Climate Of Violence But come on… Can we just admit the pathetically obvious simple truth for once?


The heyday of violent and dangerous left wing extremists was 40 years ago. Oh sure there are a few wild eyed animal rights activists spray painting fur coats and breaking into research labs. See: People for the Ethical Treatment of Animals We also have the environmental terrorists. See: Eco-terrorism But when was the last time that you heard about any of those left wing extremists doing anything major. Further more, mainstream liberal leaders disavow them. We liberals do support protecting the environment and treating animals humanely, but we speak out against anyone who advocates violence in pursuit of those goals.

The situation is a little different on the right. Isn't it? Conservation leaders routinely use rhetoric about: “the end of America,” “Socialist,” “Nullification,” “Secession,” and other inflammatory extremist rhetoric.

First, close your eyes for a minute and test yourself before reading on. How many recent acts of domestic home grown violence and terrorism can you easily bring to mind? What percentage of them were left wing as opposed to right wing? The vast majority will be right wing.

From memory: Timothy Mcveigh - Okalahoma City, Hutaree militia - Michigan, Some right wing jerk flew his small plane into an IRS office a couple months ago in protest to taxes. Two different tea bagger types arrested for threatening Pelosi and some other Democratic Congressman or Senator in the last 2 weeks, Some extremist "right to life" freak convicted for killing an abortion Doctor in the last few weeks, Another "right to life" freak arrested on his way to an abortion clinic that he threatened, Bricks through Democratic congressional office windows, Propane gas line cut at the brother's house of a Democratic Congressman.

Oh! OH! I remember now, a couple of years ago there was something about eco-terrorist burning some houses that were under construction and a car dealership in protest. They were careful not to hurt anyone, but I hope that they got caught.

I left out the Muslim terrorist that shot up the military base. He was fundamentalist in his religion and so, right to life, and anti- gay rights, but I see him as more Islamic than conservative.

Some Conservative leaders have finally began to speak out against violence. Many other Conservative leaders are still using violent, radical, and secessionist and racist rhetoric. So can we finally just agree that the problem of violence and extremism is a conservative / right wing / Republican problem and that it is time for conservatives of good faith to step forward and distance themselves from extremist views.

See: Tea Party sign threatens gun violence if health care passes./

See: Tea Party Vigilantes Out for Liberal Blood

See: Tea Party: From Protests To Shouting Epithets To Vandalism To Terrorism?

See: 2001 Anthrax suspect "may have harbored a grudge against pro-choice Catholic senators Daschle and Leahy, recipients of anthrax mailings"

See: IRS plane crash

See: Chaplain of the Army of God

See: Neal_Horsley - militant anti-abortionist

See: Attempted murder of George Tiller

See: "280 letters that claimed to contain anthrax, which he mailed to Planned Parenthood"

See: Missionaries to the Preborn

See: Anti-abortion violence - 7 Murders - 5 Attempted Murders - 12 Arson, Bombing, and Property Crimes + Anthrax threats

See: Olympic Park Bomber, is an American far-right radical

See: Extremist Chatter Praises Eric Rudolph as 'Hero.'

See: released by the Defenders of the
Defenders of Life after Paul Hill shot the abortionist, John Bayard Britton

See: Eric Rudolph's Homepage

See: Christian Identity

See: Homeland Security on guard for 'right-wing extremists'.

Posted by Ray Guest at April 8, 2010 10:45 PM
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Comment #298642

Ray et al
Its also time to remember that the 2nd amendment applies to those on the left too. Its time to remind the wingnuts that we will not be pushed around by their half-wit thugs.

Posted by: bills at April 9, 2010 1:20 AM
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It doesn’t help when idiots like Sean Hannity says things like:
“I think we won the debate… When you think of the vast majorities that they have in Congress and they had to bribe, backroom deals, corruption. That’s all because the Tea Party movement, the people, all these Tim McVeigh wannabes here.”

?!?!?!? - there is no difference between Tim McVeigh and Osama Bin Laden. They were both terrorist mass murderers. A guy that murders innocent women and children is really someone to look up to. I am stunned on two levels, first, that someone would make such grossly irresponsible statements and second that those morons in the crown actually cheered when Hannity made his grossly irresponsible statements.

Posted by: tcsned at April 9, 2010 6:03 AM
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tcsned,

You’re stunned that Sean Hannity would make grossly irresponsible statements? Really?

Not to put too fine a point on it, Bernie Madoff lied to investors as well. Crooks, liars and scumbags aren’t exactly something new in the world. Some people will do anything for money.

Posted by: gergle at April 9, 2010 7:46 AM
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40 years ago; really? This is a sad commentary on American free speech and you should be ashamed. When the Tea Party people protested on 9/12/09 in DC there was not one arrest or fight and they left the place cleaner than when they got there, yet Nancy Pelosi put on fake tears in a news conference claiming that she had seen that kind of violence in the past and it made her afraid. She wasn’t afraid of them, those people were hard at work trying to make a living for their families.

When the Tea party joined together in Search Light NV on 03/27/10 the only violence that occurred was by SEIU union thugs throwing eggs at their buses. When the Tea Party people joined together in St. Louis MO. Last year who yelled the “N” word and beat down a black man at a Tea Party protest? SEIU thugs did; however the media never reports that because it doesn’t help their political agenda. When a media outlet only reports what they want you to hear; that sounds like Pravda to me.

If you had taken any time to read the manifesto from the idiot that flew his plane into the IRS building instead of posting a “fakepedia” comment, you would have realized the guy was basically a communist looking for nothing but government bailouts and “fairness”. Hello he hated George Bush like you guys?

And those wonderful ELF members, that booby trap trees with steel spikes so lumber jacks are injured when their saw blades strike the steel, oh yes they are looking out for the little guy. Oh and lets not forget the number of Hummer dealerships they burned down, all in the name of fake global warming. Yes these are kind level headed Americans making sure no one gets hurt.

When ever the G8 meets around the world (every year) it certainly isn’t the capitalists that burn cars and break the windows of stores and businesses or throw Molotov cocktails, all in the name of the war on the rich. It is amazing to me how a group of responsible Americans simply calling for less spending and a responsible government can get so vilified.

So let me ask what kind of American are you? Are you falling for the Saul Alinsky tactics that are being used in the United States today or are you a perpetrator of said tactics? Will it be okay if similar tactics are used on you once the other side takes back control and you know sooner or later they will? When you were in the minority you demanded bipartisanship but now use all kinds of excuses not ot now. Some of us “Conservative” were once Democrat hippies you know and are totally aware of today’s political tactics.

I did not back President Bush when he was in office, it was my belief that he spent too much money and illegally took control of American banks, and I thought I heard the same echoes from the left at the time, but I guess not. Once you got in control it was just fine to spend, spend, spend and by the way don’t worry about the government taking over all the businesses it will be just fine after all now our side is in control; what could possibly go wrong?

If your readers would just do a little research they would learn that members of the Tea Party are totally outraged by the Republican Party not the Democrats. Tea Party members have full knowledge and a understanding of what they can expect from the total government control policies of the Democrats all in the name of fairness. Please lets quit misquoting and name calling and get back to real debating.

Posted by: MikeE at April 9, 2010 9:28 AM
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MikeE,

If you listen to the Tea Partiers, and try to cipher what they say, you will get a dizzy headache. The Tea Party platform would look like a piece of swiss cheese. They know not what they want, they just want to harp on what they have, and spew hate at those who are different or who disagree.

Posted by: Marysdude at April 9, 2010 11:53 AM
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MikeE, how can anyone have an honest debate with people who say the government is taking over business when the majority of the people think that almost the exact opposite is happening.

The evidence is overwhelming in favor of the majority opinion. The corporations have bought the people’s representatives and those representatives are doing the corporations biding.

The government has taken over no corporations including General Motors.

A majority of the people are quite aware that their politicians are being bribed by corporations. Most of the legislation passed in the last three decades reflects this condition.

The corporations wanted NAFTA, they got it. They wanted millions of immigrants to keep wages low, they got them. The corporations wanted The Chinese trade agreements, they got them. They wanted to out source millions of manufacturing jobs and the bought off politicians obliged. The government even made some workers help pay to relocate their jobs. The corporations wanted deregulation and they got it.

Bush holds the record for corporate donations. Obama could break that record in 2012.

I see the Tea Party as group of people promoting a right wing wish list. A list that as a group, the Tea Partiers could not endorse entirely. When the Tea Party allows their self-proclaimed spokesmen to lionize terrorists like McVeigh they lose support.

It is probably to late but, my advise to the Tea Party is quit believing many of the right wing fantasies and promote two or three conservative ideas that a majority might be willing to support.

Posted by: jlw at April 9, 2010 2:04 PM
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MikeE,

Many of the Tea Party members denounce recent tax increases on the middle class. Most of the Tea Party members who denounce those tax increases are lower income to middle class themselves, and the last tax increase on the middle class happened under Cheney/Bush. Please don’t refer to those people as if they have an agenda, they just yell loud, ‘cause it pleases their collective egos to do so.

Posted by: Marysdude at April 9, 2010 2:42 PM
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MikeE,

If you check out the signage at one of those Tea Party get-togethers, you will see President Obama depicted as benLadin or a Mullah, and one showing him as a Hitler and one calling him a Socialist or Communist, perhaps even one showing him as a monkey or ape…now, when was the last time you actually witnessed a monkey with a Muslim, terrorist, Nazi, Communist agenda? Can you still defend or support the types of people who spew that kind of crap?

Posted by: Marysdude at April 9, 2010 2:52 PM
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PS:

I do thank Tea Baggers for cleaning up the messes they make…I helped my wife raise eleven children, and they also cleaned up the messes they made…perhaps I should present my children a citation for that?

Posted by: Marysdude at April 9, 2010 2:55 PM
Comment #298678

Marysdude said;
(If you check out the signage at one of those Tea Party get-togethers, you will see President Obama depicted as benLadin or a Mullah, and one showing him as a Hitler and one calling him a Socialist or Communist, perhaps even one showing him as a monkey or ape…now, when was the last time you actually witnessed a monkey with a Muslim, terrorist, Nazi, Communist agenda? Can you still defend or support the types of people who spew that kind of crap?) P.S. Check your spelling>

So I guess we ignore all of the signs depicting Bush as Hitler or the books and movies written about assassinating him again I guess that was their right of free speech? That is why the Tea Party makes those signs, you did! That was the point I was trying to make; we need to stop treating each other this way, you can’t have it both ways, either both sides can call the other Hitler or Marx or no side participates that way; lets make up our minds.

Additionally the Tea Party people are confused about how the left votes. You all raised complete hell about tapping terrorist phone lines and whether a woman has choice about abortion, but you have no problem what so ever with the government telling you if and where you can smoke, what to eat what to drive, what food choices you should have and your party is the one talking about controlling the internet and are right now buying back the airwaves to control talk radio; where’s the freedom in that? Wake up. We are either free or not there is no in between.

Posted by: MikeE at April 9, 2010 5:39 PM
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Nope, I/we normally don’t defend those in our party who do the baddy. I’ve challenged them more than once, and will again, I’m sure.

(Check your spelling?) Thanks for the critique, Vanna, I really appreciate it.

But, you can apparently spell better than you can read…I was referring to all the different planks in your hate group’s platform. It is against monkeys, commies, Nazis and socialists, but only if it refers to the same man. I guess it is okay to be primate if you are not the President. Great list and variety, but not very cohesive.

Posted by: Marysdude at April 9, 2010 6:31 PM
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Thanks all for all of your comments.

MikeE,

You wrote:

And those wonderful ELF members, that booby trap trees with steel spikes so lumber jacks are injured when their saw blades strike the steel, oh yes they are looking out for the little guy. Oh and lets not forget the number of Hummer dealerships they burned down, all in the name of fake global warming. Yes these are kind level headed Americans making sure no one gets hurt.

You obviously did not read my piece. I acknowledged thier existence and unequivically disavowed them, and all mainstream liberal leaders disavow them amd we do not use violent rhetoric to encourage them. We liberals may oppose some logging, especially unregulated unenvironmental logging’ but our opposition rhetoric is moderate. We, mainstream liberals don’t go around saying that loggers and their conservative allies are baby killers, like the mainstream pro-life conservative leaders say about us. We could make a logical case that environmental damage will eventually kill babies - real babies - not 5 day old blastocysts - real baies will die have died from environmental damage. So we could level those charges against you, and encourage our nut jobs to kill you, in the same way that your mainstream conservative leaders encourage your nut jobs to kill us. But we understand that we use wood too. We understand that we have an honest disagreement about the environmental effects of unrestricted logging, so we don’t level those kinds of outrageous charges agasinst you. Not even when we are as angry as I am now. We disagree with your political opinion about logging (probably) but we understand that is an honest political argument that needs to be settled through peaceful deomcratic processes - not violence and anyone who uses violence is a nut job that needs to go to prison.


Posted by: Ray Guest at April 9, 2010 11:04 PM
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