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I always thought we were a nation of optimists. According to all the gurus I’ve heard, read about and listened to, there’s nothing Americans can’t do if they set their minds to it. Maybe this was so years ago. Now it appears we are a nation of complainers. There is nothing we will not complain about.

I never expected to come across an article in the L.A. Times that said this:

[Rep. Emanuel] Cleaver offered legislation in June to set aside the day before Thanksgiving as "Complaint-Free Wednesday." He did so at the request of a faith group in the Kansas City, Mo., area that wanted to promote positive attitudes. The bill encouraged "people to look forward, not backward," Cleaver said in a letter to House colleagues seeking support, a "meaningful and powerful reminder to prepare for a day of gratitude."

A very simple idea. No politics. Just asking people to stop bitching for only one day about what they hate, can't have, are not able to do or are just plain annoyed with. A day of goodwill putting us in the mood to be thankful for all the wonderful things all of us have on Thanksgiving Day.

But no. Too many of us can't stand a little break in the constant whining. Here are some reactions to Rep. Cleaver's simple idea:

"I thought dissent and complaining were patriotic," thundered one reader after some conservative websites printed Cleaver's "Dear Colleague" letter.

"I thought DC had gotten as stupid as they could get and I was wrong," groused another.

Cleaver said that some calls to his office from overwrought respondents went something like this: "I want you to show me where in the Bible it says I shouldn't complain. I haven't seen anything where Jesus asked us not to complain."

Unbelievable! Irresponsible! Incomprehensible!

Dissent (if it's not phony) is patriotic. But there is absolutely nothing patriotic about complaining. If you don't like anything show me a better way of doing it. Isn't that the American way?

And the Bible does not tell you to brush your teeth. Does this mean you should not brush your teeth?

I hope the people calm down with their whining. Sure, these are tough times. Many of us have lost our jobs, our homes and other valuables. But we still live in freedom in a wonderful country of opportunity. The economy is on the mend. It will take time but we will soon enter a new period of prosperity.

Even if you are a Republican that hates President Obama, you still live in a country where it's possible to replace him with someone else you prefer - a few years in the future.

Let's stop whining and let's instead be thankful today and every day until Thanksgiving, on Thanksgiving Day, and every day after Thanksgiving for all the goodies we enjoy in "the land of the free."

Posted by Paul Siegel at November 23, 2009 6:49 PM
Comments
Comment #291391
Now it appears we are a nation of complainers.

Um, we’ve always been a nation of complainers. In fact, I think that currently the least amount of complaining is going on that I can remember… I don’t see the protesting and bombings in the US like there were in the 1910s, the 1960s, etc. In reality, it’s a pretty quiet time. So much so that the only thing that the left can complain about are people who have no political power being obnoxious. That’s a pretty good deal, if you ask me.

Yet, the left complains about them complaining…

Posted by: Rhinehold at November 23, 2009 6:58 PM
Comment #291399

Hmm, no protesting? Here, I thought there were millions of teabaggers, I guess we have confirmation that it was a Fox Hoax. Shooting abortion doctors…I guess it’s only bad when the issues are from the left.

Posted by: gergle at November 23, 2009 8:21 PM
Comment #291402

Gee gergle, I noticed you didn’t mention Fort Hood… I wonder why, that would have been the better representation of things being bad. Only, it doen’t get a political slam in, does it?

You really think the tea party rallies are as violent as, say, Vietnam protest? 4 Dead in Ohio? How about the bombings across New York city a few decades before? The main news story of the summer was Bubble Boy? Pretty tough times we have out there now, geesh.

BTW, teabagger is an insulting term. Thanks again for showing such class.

Posted by: Rhinehold at November 23, 2009 8:29 PM
Comment #291406

Our Thanksgiving is ultimately derived from nostalgia that the pilgrim fathers felt about QE1, who held a day of Thanksgiving November 24, starting in 1588, a week after Accession Day on Nov. 17. KJ1 made QE1 look good by comparison.

The natives here were a pretty depressed group of people who had recently almost become extinct due to contact with a handful of English fishermen who were dumped on their shore after a dispute, carrying a strange disease, some historians claim Hepatitis A. Sharing food with them was a bad idea, but they didn’t know that back then.

Posted by: ohrealy at November 23, 2009 8:37 PM
Comment #291407

ummm, Good One, I forgot it.

Which was that, a left or right issue?

So most Vietnam protests were violent? The 250,000 people on the Mall? by whom? The National Guard? The 4 dead in Ohio weren’t even protesters. The 250,000 people on the Mall was fairly peaceful.

If you forgot, your assertion was that it’s peaceful now, I didn’t argue that the 60’s were. But I guess you don’t want to argue that.

My apologies, Fox News used the term Teabaggers in the beginning, until every one started laughing at them, I was unaware of the change. Thanks for pointing out my insensitivity.

Posted by: gergle at November 23, 2009 8:43 PM
Comment #291416
So most Vietnam protests were violent?

Most? Where did I say that. The 4 Dead at Kent State weren’t protestors? Interesting, here I had thought they were protesting when the National Guard opened fire upon t hem.

Many were, more than the Tea Parties. I never said it was peaceful now, this is a great example of how you read into what I write what you want me to say, not what I say.

BTW, please provide the link where Fox News used the term teabaggers, because it was CNN and MSNBC that started using it pejoritavely in a very unprofessional manner. It was never appropriate to use, especially to those of us who had been organizing and protesting in Tea Party protests long before the Republicans decided that they wanted to join…

Rachel Maddow and Keith Olberman were the first to use it, as I recall.

Media outlets began to use the term ‘Teabaggers’ as a criticism of the entire Tea Party movement, basing the term on language and accoutrement employed by some of the protesters themselves in Tea Parties and online fora. Several critics of the protesters, including Rachel Maddow, Keith Olbermann, Chris Matthews, and Anderson Cooper, used the sexual slang in their broadcasts. Cooper later apologized, calling the term “silly” and stating that his use of it detracted from his serious reporting.

The other three never have been concerned with being taken seriously however.

Posted by: Rhinehold at November 23, 2009 9:32 PM
Comment #291421

I went to the tea party in Washington. I am not good as estimating crowds, but it was big. The second biggest I have seen, after the immigrant rally a few years ago. Besides the crowds that come for the July 4 party or the inauguration etc, of course. Anti-war groups were never that big. I saw Code Pink. They didn’t manage to get enough people to fill even the little park across from the Capitol.

The interesting thing not reported in the media is that they shared the Mall with the “Black Family Reunion”. These guys were selling food and souvenirs. The tea party folks mixed easily with the black families. I suppose they may have disagreed about politics, but they were all civil to their fellow Americans.

I don’t understand why liberals hate the tea parties so much. They are well behaved with actually very few weirdos. I took a picture. If you want to see check out this link and here.

Posted by: Christine at November 23, 2009 10:11 PM
Comment #291432

Tea baggers are a lot like the 60’s protesters. I was one, back then. No objective data, no reality testing, and no sense of pragmatism, but, full of passion for idealism their way, and motivated consternation toward the establishment, and anti-anything else and everyone else who doesn’t view the world as they do.

America however, has made profound changes for the better as a result of groups like this. And some profound changes for the worse. Whether America can afford any more changes is the quintessential question. The tea-baggers say we can’t, and want us to turn the hands of time back to before their perception of our having these problems, today. There’s the rose colored glasses through which they view the line from present to future. To look back with the belief that the past was somehow better and would make the present better too, is enormously naive and idealistic.

I expect such views from the young. But, the average age of tea-baggers appears to be between 30 and 60, dependent children excepted.

Posted by: David R. Remer at November 24, 2009 8:39 AM
Comment #291476

Perhaps most of them are unable to mentally mature past the age of seventeen?

Posted by: Marysdude at November 24, 2009 12:09 PM
Comment #291478

You’re talking about maturity while supporting the use of the phrase ‘teabaggers’ to describe a varied group of individuals from at least 3 separate national parties?

As for trying to label the protestors in question as ‘tired old hippies who never grew up’ and suggesting that they stand for no change, that is also an invalid view not based on actual fact. Almost all of them are for change, but not the change that is being offered. To many, it would be better to leave things the way they are than to change it for the worse. Better alternatives and other options have been presented and ignored by those who are bent on a single course of action, which is why the protestors are protesting.

Trying to label them as ‘subversive’ and ‘calling for the overthrow of the government’ is no different now than when Nixon or Bush did it. It all just depends upon which side of the fence you are on I suppose.

Posted by: Rhinehold at November 24, 2009 12:27 PM
Comment #291482

Rhinehold,

Hmm, You didn’t say whether Fort Hood was right or left wing.

Guess that’s embarrassing for you.

Perhaps I confused Fox News with the participants themselves, since they did organize and promote it. I’m not sure what the rules are when conjugating the verb teabag, as in “teabag the Whitehouse”. Teabagist?

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=OLsKt4O4Yw8

Pretty hard not to laugh at that.

The four dead in Ohio were not protesters. I guess some of us learn something new everyday. Yes, there were protests going on, possible rock throwing, and burning the ROTC building. Gov. Rhodes ordered out the National Guard. There were several investigations as to why and who fired. No one ever claimed responsibility. Gov. Rhodes did lose his office, however. The National guard actually charged the crowd. It dispersed. Sadly, they shot bystanders, people trying to go to classes or just get out of the way. BTW, I never agreed with this kind of protest, and argued with an SDS student set up in a hallway about Nixon’s illegal bombing looking for people to go to a post Kent State protest. I was pretty naive, and didn’t even believe Nixon was lying about bombing in Laos and Cambodia.

I never said it was peaceful now,..
I don’t see the protesting and bombings in the US like there were in the 1910s, the 1960s, etc. In reality, it’s a pretty quiet time. So much so that the only thing that the left can complain about are people who have no political power being obnoxious.

Right…..you didn’t use the word peaceful. Sorry for the dreadful misinterpretation

Hoo boy. I’m glad no one is being PC.

Posted by: gergle at November 24, 2009 1:12 PM
Comment #291483

Good grief…some can’t even say HAPPY THANKSGIVING without political content.

I hope all of us have a wonderful day of celebration as we can all surely find something to be thankful for.

Posted by: Royal Flush at November 24, 2009 1:15 PM
Comment #291484

BTW, Rhinehold,

I take it, as a Libertarian, You are for conscripting 18 year olds on campus for an undeclared war, that LBJ and Nixon knew was a loser from the start? AND you think protesting a recruiting agency of the government that is lying to students is a problem?

On the converse hand, if something untoward were to happen at a tea party, you would be willing to reject them entirely?

Posted by: gergle at November 24, 2009 1:20 PM
Comment #291488

Thanks Royal Flush. Wish you a thankful holiday as well. I have life, health, freedom, family, and responsibility to them, community, nation, and world of man. Who could have more to be thankful for?

Posted by: David R. Remer at November 24, 2009 1:40 PM
Comment #291490

HAPPY THANKSGIVING! TO ALL!

Posted by: gergle at November 24, 2009 1:42 PM
Comment #291494

i am very immature, but the teabagging thing cracks me up. no smiles at all from rhinehold? hope so.

Happy Thanksgiving. :)~

Posted by: bluebuss at November 24, 2009 1:56 PM
Comment #291495

Correction:

Two of the four dead were protesters. One of the protesters was actually a member of the ROTC. 61 rounds were fired in 13 seconds. The crowd scattered after a bayonet charge. The Guard knelt and fired in unison. Yet, no one claimed to have given the order to fire. The commission investigating found that there was no justification for deadly force.

Posted by: gergle at November 24, 2009 2:10 PM
Comment #291497

By the way Mr. Remer, I recall reading a recent post of yours outlining some of your health problems. Please know that I will keep you in my prayers this Thanksgiving.

At my age 68 I have been truly blessed with good health. I have never spent a day or night in a hospital and have all the organs God gifted me with at birth. I have a very happy second marriage, a little money in the bank, food on the table, a roof over my head, a car to drive, and many friends to be thankful for.

God bless us all.

Posted by: Royal Flush at November 24, 2009 2:19 PM
Comment #291513

Apparently gergle has a problem with reading comprehension…

Hmm, You didn’t say whether Fort Hood was right or left wing.

Nope, I didn’t.

Guess that’s embarrassing for you.

Not sure how it would be embarassing, perhaps you need to make some kind of explanation?

Thanks for helping me prove my point, gergle. I still have yet to see anyone say ‘we are teabaggers’. Some protesting President Bush were calling for his execution, I suppose we can call anyone who attended a protest against Bush ‘executioners’? ‘pro-death’?

It was Maddow and Olberman who decided to tag all protesters at the Tea Parties as ‘teabaggers’ in a pejoritave term. Labelling a whole group of people based on what some of the participants said and did, that’s very just SWELL. Nothing new for the left though, not sure why I expected anything else.

The four dead in Ohio were not protesters.

You’ve already corrected this, the two were protestors, the other two, as I recall, were there watching the protest and spectacle that was forming with the National Guard there. NO ONE expected the guard to open fire, it was a very dark day for the United States.

Again, there has been no violence anywhere started by this years protests. The only violence that occurred was when a couple of SEIU ‘goons’ attacked a vendor at the protest and when one member of each side got into an altercation and punches were thrown. There was a report of a politician getting attacked, but it was never verified so I can’t say it ever really happened.

Right…..you didn’t use the word peaceful. Sorry for the dreadful misinterpretation

It may help in the future to actually read what is being written instead of thinking you know what I’m saying and making wild accusations based of very flawed assumptions. I have to continually correct you when most other people are able to easily understand what I am saying, so I am hard pressed to keep pointing to my writing as the problem, especially since it is usually you I am having to explain things to.

I have another one to correct in the middle column now, it’s almost like a full time job correcting your flawed assumptions.

Posted by: Rhinehold at November 24, 2009 6:26 PM
Comment #291514
I take it, as a Libertarian, You are for conscripting 18 year olds on campus for an undeclared war, that LBJ and Nixon knew was a loser from the start? AND you think protesting a recruiting agency of the government that is lying to students is a problem?

Seriously, gergle, WTF are you talking about? I was not a Nixon supporter, or an LBJ supporter, and I was not a supporter of the Vietnam war. Please point out to me where you are getting these F’d up beliefs, if there is something I am doing wrong when I write I would love to fix it so I don’t have to keep coming back and asking you WTF you are talking about.

So, no, as a Libertarian, I am *NOT* for conscription anytime, ever.

On the converse hand, if something untoward were to happen at a tea party, you would be willing to reject them entirely?

I would willingly reject those people who did something untoward at a Tea Party, a an LP national convention, anywhere it occurs. I know that individual instances of things does not tarnish an entire group or ideology. I wonder if you know the same?

Posted by: Rhinehold at November 24, 2009 6:30 PM
Comment #291523

>Seriously, gergle, WTF are you talking about? I was not a Nixon supporter, or an LBJ supporter, and I was not a supporter of the Vietnam war.
Posted by: Rhinehold at November 24, 2009 06:30 PM

Perhaps an athletic supporter? ;) Thanks for the laugh, and Happy Thanksgiving to you too!

Posted by: Marysdude at November 24, 2009 7:10 PM
Comment #291524

>Wonder if unions are complaining about this:
Posted by: propitiation at November 24, 2009 06:31 PM

Does this have anything to do with the China subsidy of our early railraod building? All that slave labor didn’t come cheap…probably just tit-for-tat…status quo…Quo Vadis…er…quid pro quo.

Posted by: Marysdude at November 24, 2009 7:15 PM
Comment #291536

“Cooper later apologized, calling the term “silly” and stating that his use of it detracted from his serious reporting. “

I don’t know why this teabagger terminology became popular, or why exactly people are comparing themselves to the Boston tea party.

Tea is being maligned by all this nonsense. Tea is very popular as an iced drink in the south, and even on Long Island, and in hot drinks all over the country. I drink tea every day. My SO tried to get me to stop drinking it to help whiten my teeth, and I nearly became handicapped from not drinking tea. Tea is healthy and good. I have a teabag in a large covered jar of tea on my desk keeping my tea warm and I’m drinking tea right now.

If DRR will permit, From the dreaded OED:

the first mention of it in Europe is due to the Portuguese in 1559 (under the name cha); chia is mentioned in Maffei’s Historia Indica in 1588. Under the name te, thee, it was imported by the Dutch from Bantam (where brought by Chinese merchants from Amoy) c 1610; first known in Paris 1635, in Russia (by way of Tartary) 1638, in England about 1650-55.

Posted by: ohrealy at November 24, 2009 10:16 PM
Comment #291537

Rhinehold,

Your apoplectic outrages keep me laughing.

Only you could find the difference between inferring that the 60’s protest were of a completely different character than the tea parties, and what you think you said.

Again, I guess you fail to see what you actually say. You haven’t corrected a damn thing I said, you simply put your spin on it to create this fantasy of your correctness while ignoring the obvious hypocrisies in your posts.

60’s protests…bad. Violent. Tea parties… good, non violent except for gun toting and lynching references, and fights with SEIU… and those nasty images of teabagging the Whitehouse.

But of course you never compared them. Except you did.( This is sarcasm) The infamous Rhinehold denial, non denial gambit. I didn’t say that, because I didn’t use the word peaceful. Childish, but I guess effective in your view, I guess.

Except 60’s anti war protests were mostly non violent, which you admit, and you even agreed with their message. Talk about mixed up messages.

Then you get all offended by the word teabag and/or it’s conjugations when teabaggers suddenly realize it is no longer 1776 and teabagging has a whole different connotation.

Then you throw in Ft. Hood and blame the Kent State protesters for getting shot, then admit that neither of those things jibe with your crazed post.

BTW, WTF I am talking about is complete and utter hypocrisy. It was obvious you would agree with those things, even though those horrible students were protesting something you abhor. But the sweet and good, gun toting, lynching enthusiastic, teabaggers are G-r-r-reat!

This is better than John Stewart. Wish I had video.

Perhaps if this wasn’t just a pure emotional rant, I wouldn’t make all those nasty statements poking fun at it.

Posted by: gergle at November 24, 2009 10:26 PM
Comment #291538

ohrealy, your an addict. I much prefer the dark and bubbly cola. Mmmmmm.

Posted by: gergle at November 24, 2009 10:31 PM
Comment #291539

Tea Leaves
Being a Collection of Letters and Documents relating to
the shipment of Tea to the American Colonies in the year
1773, by the East India Tea Company. (With an introduction,
notes, and biographical notices of the Boston Tea Party)
http://www.gutenberg.org/etext/24321

Posted by: ohrealy at November 24, 2009 10:35 PM
Comment #291540

BTW,

The FBI had an informant present. He was armed and some accuse him of opening fire, resulting in the Guard opening fire. Others claim an order was given. That 28 Guardsmen opened fire simultaneously may lean toward an order. In light of it being preceeded by a bayonet charge that was ordered.

Posted by: gergle at November 24, 2009 10:35 PM
Comment #291548

gergle,

These were National Guard troops. Poorly trained and no experience. If they were locked and loaded, it would only take one shot to trigger an immediate barrage.

Posted by: Marysdude at November 25, 2009 12:01 AM
Comment #291562

Marysdude,

Yes, that is why policies changed dramatically after that concerning crowd control. It wasn’t very smart to have live ammo to face student protesters (although most indicted weren’t actually students, and none were convicted).

Frankly, I think an order was likely given. The 28 Guardsmen who fired, fired in unison. The non-protesters shot weren’t lookie-loos as Rhinehold suggested. They were far from the melee, rifle shots carry far. The crowd did disperse with the charge, some towards the area where the non-protesters were shot and killed (I think there were 9 people also shot and paralyzed). The Guard were not trained for crowd control, and fired stupidly without having a clear field behind their unarmed protester targets. 61 rounds worth. But, of course, this is violence on the part of protesters(sarcasm).

Posted by: gergle at November 25, 2009 8:34 AM
Comment #291578

gergle,

Again, I really don’t have a clue WTF you are talking about.

Apparently you are saying that the protests of the Tea Parties this year have been as violent as the Vietnam protets. I’m not sure how you come to that conclusion but apparently it fits your narrative.

There is no hypocrisy, that you think you can find one is interesting. Mostly it goes back to your constant and incessant reading things into my comments that are clearly not there but you want to pin on me.

I could, once again, go line by line and show you that you are not only specifically wrong and generally wrong on your assertions, but it hasn’t helped this far so why bother, I suppose. You have accused me of suggesting that I am supporting an attack on Iran, that I am for conscription, that I was against protesting in the 60s and 70s, that I suggested that ‘most’ protests against Vietnam were violent, etc.

None of those things are true nor have they been suggested by me. Yet now you attribute hypocrisy to me because make these assumptions and when I try to point out YOUR mistakes in making those assumptions you attempt to say ‘aha!’

All of it pretty pointless really. Straw men are pretty easy to argue against, but I’m not sure why you need me in the equation to do that…

Posted by: Rhinehold at November 25, 2009 10:54 AM
Comment #291596

I don’t see the protesting and bombings in the US like there were in the 1910s, the 1960s, etc. In reality, it’s a pretty quiet time.

I never said it was peaceful now,..

Gee gergle, I noticed you didn’t mention Fort Hood…

Nope, you never said that.(for the overly literal this is sarcasm)

Being confused about the difference between a quiet time, peaceful, and a psychotic killer unrelated to political protest isn’t MY problem.

Posted by: gergle at November 25, 2009 5:57 PM
Comment #291612

Again, not sure where your problem is. I’ll take what you’ve written and try to parse it though…

First, I point out that compared to more violent times, this year has been relatively quiet.

Then, you try to suggest I am saying that everything now is peaceful, which of course I didn’t say and you later admit, but in sarcastic tone (which I find confusing).

Then, I mention that you didn’t mention Fort Hood when you were talking about violence as if shooting an abortion doctor was someone’s idea of legitimate protest. Apparently you missed why I mentioned it since you keep bringing it up.

Again, it definately *IS* your problem, gergle, because you have yet to even understand what was being discussed apparently.

Are you saying that, compared to the violence of the 60s (1968 convention, vietnam protests, etc) or the 10s (several terrorist bombings, the sinking of a manmade island, etc) that this summer’s protesting has been JUST AS VIOLENT? You aren’t accepting that, compared to those times, that this summer is relatively quiet?

And are you saying that by making that comparison I am somehow suggesting that it has been 100% peaceful?

Do you understand how comparing one thing to another does not invoke absolutes automatically?

And finally, do you not understand why I brought up Fort Hood in response to your using the killing of an abortion doctor (psychotic killer unrelated to political protest)? Did that point also go completely over your head?

Please, be more clear if possible. Pretend I have 0 understanding of what you are trying to say and use full sentences and stuff…

Posted by: Rhinehold at November 25, 2009 7:42 PM
Comment #291627

Rhinehold,

So you compare one year to a nebulous “time” snd then alter your self quote to make it less obvious you are simply playing semantics.

You characterize Anti war protests as violent, even though the vast majority weren’t, discounting, of course, the facts that 18 year olds were dying after being drafted to a bunch of old geezers protesting taxes. Great comparison.

Lessee abortion is that an issue protested? Liberals pro, Conservatives anti. Fort Hood, no protest, just a psychopath going on a shooting spree…yeah, that makes sense. Liberal isssue? Conservative issue? umm nope. Non sequiter? yep.
But certainly liberals use that issue, right? Dumb argument.


I know…let’s compare this summer to 1942 thru 1945…which was more violent? Equally valid comparison to yours. Perhaps we were protesting facism. Nonsense as well.

If your statements weren’t complete nonsense, comparisons meaningless, and obvious disdain for anything but your particular political bent of the moment, or as I said, an emotional rant, I’d be really sad for completely misunderstandig you.
But since that isn’t the case, I won’t.

Posted by: gergle at November 26, 2009 1:21 AM
Comment #291628

Oh, by the way. Even if it was 1776, the tea party issue was taxation without representation. So teabaggers lose on two counts…history, and not realizing the dumb joke associated with their self coined term.

Posted by: gergle at November 26, 2009 1:24 AM
Comment #291637
So you compare one year to a nebulous “time” snd then alter your self quote to make it less obvious you are simply playing semantics.

In what way was my ‘self quote’ altered again?

You characterize Anti war protests as violent, even though the vast majority weren’t, discounting, of course, the facts that 18 year olds were dying after being drafted to a bunch of old geezers protesting taxes. Great comparison.

The problem is that I did no such thing. *YOU* make the assumption, but it was not the fact. I accurately pointed out that there was more violence during that time and from those protests than we have seen from the Tea Party protests. Are you going to prove that wrong or do you want to continue building straw men to attack? At no time did I say anything related to ‘most Vietnam protests were violent’ or even infer it in anything I wrote. Why not provide the quote that proves this?

Lessee abortion is that an issue protested? Liberals pro, Conservatives anti.

Pretty general. But that doesn’t mean that someone shooting another person was because of protesting. It is clear that that person was derranged.

Fort Hood, no protest, just a psychopath going on a shooting spree…yeah, that makes sense. Liberal isssue? Conservative issue? umm nope. Non sequiter? yep. But certainly liberals use that issue, right? Dumb argument.

Again, I never said that liberals used the issue. I was pointing out the idiocy of painting all abortion protesters as being violent because one psychopath killed an abortion doctor. That you see how silly it is when I wondered why you didn’t just use Fort Hood, apparently missed your sensibilities.

I know…let’s compare this summer to 1942 thru 1945…which was more violent? Equally valid comparison to yours. Perhaps we were protesting facism. Nonsense as well.

Actually, it is not nonsense because I am debating the violence as a result of protesting, not war. Again, your argument falls very flat.

If your statements weren’t complete nonsense, comparisons meaningless, and obvious disdain for anything but your particular political bent of the moment, or as I said, an emotional rant, I’d be really sad for completely misunderstandig you. But since that isn’t the case, I won’t.

Well, then stop wasting your time? You obviously disagree with facts when presented because it violates your desire to label the current Tea Party protests as a violent group of douchebags that want to lynch the president and are racist throwbacks to the KKK. Despite the fact that there has been hardly any violence AT ALL at any of these protests.

*I* am not the one tied up emotionally in this one, obviously. You continue to try to paint me as a villain here, which is hardly the case, as I was making a valid observation that you don’t like or want to admit to be true.

Continue on without if you want, it is pretty clear by now that you are just lashing out because I touched some nerve somewhere that you don’t want to admit.

Posted by: Rhinehold at November 26, 2009 11:19 AM
Comment #291661

Rhinehold,

The problem is that I did no such thing. *YOU* make the assumption, but it was not the fact. I accurately pointed out that there was more violence during that time and from those protests than we have seen from the Tea Party protests. Are you going to prove that wrong or do you want to continue building straw men to attack? At no time did I say anything related to ‘most Vietnam protests were violent’ or even infer it in anything I wrote. Why not provide the quote that proves this?

Nor did I. And they weren’t. Which is part of the reason your statement was dumb.

The implication is wrong, and the comparison is moronic. Happy now? WWII was a more violent time than the tea parties as well. The campus of West Virginia Tech was more violent than the Kent state massacre. Equally valid and stupid comparisons. Stupid implications and wrong in connotation…while perhaps semantically correct. Geez, some people will defend anything. Is it better to admit to emotional bias and blather or continue to defend a completely moronic statement?

Sorry, but on abortion, the “insanity” of the killer was a direct result of the political nonsense spewed by the claims of “murdered babies”. John Brown was also a crazed murderer spawned by the political spews of abolitionists. I think a war might have occurred near the same time period. Can I count those killed in the Civil war? How about the Iraq war?

Some history texts don’t view John Brown as crazy, as many anti abortionists don’t see murdering doctors as crazy.

No. The problem is you want to compare true issues oriented protests for lengthy periods of time, over deeply held views, by a broad spectrum of people to Tea Parties, who are a bunch of malcontents who don’t like to pay taxes, who had an essentially single significant event organized by a media outlet.

There is no comparison.

You aren’t the villain, you’re just spewing talking points and trying to score some debate points with a moronic argument. You are capable of much better than this.


Posted by: gergle at November 26, 2009 11:17 PM
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rhinehold, are you sure you are NOT a republican?

Posted by: bluebuss at November 30, 2009 5:42 PM
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100%

What makes you think I am? The fact that I have never voted for a republican, the fact that I was a registered democrat until I became a libertarian, the fact that I disagree with republicans on numerous issues…

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