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Don't say the racism and hatemongering is all in the Liberal mind!

I’m not one of those people who flagrantly flaunts their citizenship as if it is something to be proud of. I don’t believe that an accident of birth entitles one to assume a higher station in the world from which to look out over the rest of the peasants. I believe in what this country stands for—or should I say used to stand for—and I believe that America has the potential to become something far greater than what it is. But with people like Rush Limbaugh leading around flocks of ignorant sheeple, inflaming hatred and prejudice, spreading lies and fear, and coming just short of actually inciting violence, at what point is it just plain embarrassing to identify oneself as an American?

The number of people who allow themselves to be lead around by a leash whether at the whim and command of Rush Limbaugh, Glenn Beck, or any corporate media outlet is astonishing. It isn’t shocking because billions of people around the world already allow themselves to be lead around mindlessly for other reasons, but it certainly is amazing that such careless buffoonery as performed by Rush Limbaugh doesn’t set off all sorts of bells and whistles and red flags making people realize that it just might be time to break through the stagnant muck suffocating America and spend some time in the sunny warm glow of reality.

How can a morally barren Right Wing shock jock get away with actually calling for the re-segregation of buses to stop the “racially motivated” violence we should expect under “Obama’s America”? How is that even protected by the first amendment? No, I’m not serious about the amendment thing, but realistically how is such a dangerous, un-American proclamation allowed to pass under the radar? How come all the politicians who like to pretend they’re not Right Wing extremists—but really are—don’t come out and decry Limbaugh’s stupidity? Is it because, just maybe, they agree with what he says and represents? I’d like to see how such comments would be taken if we didn’t have a black president that is constantly being devalued and targeted by perfectly acceptable racism. Or, dare I imagine, what if a black Left Wing radio host called for segregated school buses every time a bunch of white kids smashed in a black girls face? What would happen if the mayor of a major American city announced he or she was going to segregate public transportation to stave off any possible future altercations between the races?

Should every shade of brown have its own bus? What about those yellow folk from Asia? What about separating Catholics and Christians? I’m pretty sure we should make Jews pay for their own transportation since they have the spare coin, right?

At what point do we hold up our hands and say that this recent push of racism—which has not only become acceptable but fashionable, and in many cases patriotic—is just too much? When, as Americans, do brains overcome belief, bias, and boneheadedness? At what point do the reasonable people shout louder than the idiots with soap boxes and megaphones? When will reason and rationality finally take hold of a nation born directly from these principles and banish dark age thinking to the history books? I’m not saying that getting rid of racism and hatred entirely is possible, but can we please try and make sure that when other countries think of America they don’t picture overall-wearing, bible-thumping, neo-Nazi morons? I mean for crying out loud, these idiots were marching for “white civil rights”! They make be a fringe group but I believe we as a country seriously underestimate just how prevalent these beliefs are lurking just under the waves. Perhaps it is just a matter of what the media chooses to give airtime. And people will throw the “well America did elect a black president” logic around. But there is a real possibility that violence in this country will ensue not at the hands of foreign agents but of homegrown, American, white hands.

Posted by Michael Falino at September 28, 2009 6:44 PM
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Comment #288602

As long as the Republican ‘leadership’ remains silent on the issue…as long as there are Joe Wilson’s, Saxbee Chambliss’s, etal…as long as sponsors make gazillions of dollars off those slobs…as long as…oh, hell, until hell freezes over.

Posted by: Marysdude at September 28, 2009 7:21 PM
Comment #288609

“I’m pretty sure we should make Jews pay for their own transportation since they have the spare coin, right?”
Not on a holiday or the sabbath if they’re Observant.

“Congress shall make no law respecting an establishment of religion, or prohibiting the free exercise thereof; or abridging the freedom of speech, or of the press; or the right of the people peaceably to assemble, and to petition the Government for a redress of grievances. ” from:

http://caselaw.lp.findlaw.com/data/constitution/amendment01/

I don’t see any exception there for parnaoid schizophrenics or bloviating windbags.

On the men with the overalls and racism:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=8fVo9xLn3_Q

Posted by: ohrealy at September 28, 2009 8:24 PM
Comment #288611

When you sit back and think about these - they are actually true

· If a conservative doesn’t like guns, they don’t buy one.
If a liberal doesn’t like guns, then no one should have one.
· If a conservative is a vegetarian, they don’t eat meat.
If a liberal is a vegetarian, they want to ban all meat products for everyone.
· If a conservative sees a foreign threat, he thinks about how to defeat his enemy.
A liberal wonders how to surrender gracefully and still look good.
· If a conservative is homosexual, they quietly enjoy their life.
If a liberal is homosexual, they loudly demand legislated respect.
· If a black man is a conservative, he sees himself as independently successful.
If a black man is a liberal, he sees himself as a victim in need of government protection.
· If a conservative is down-and-out, he thinks about how to better his situation.
A liberal wonders who is going to take care of him.
· If a conservative doesn’t like a talk show host, he switches channels.
A liberal demands that those he doesn’t like be shut down.
· If a conservative is a non-believer, he doesn’t go to church.
A liberal wants all churches to be silenced.
· If a conservative decides he needs health care, he goes about shopping for it, or may choose a job that provides it.
A liberal demands that his neighbors pay for his.


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Posted by: beretta9 at September 28, 2009 8:42 PM
Comment #288612

The irony here is so thick you could cut it with a knife. You talk about “sheeple” being led around by those who spread lies, but you yourself seem to have fallen for a fraudulent accusation cooked up on far left wing websites.

I barely if ever listen to Limbaugh unless I’m on a long stretch of highway where I can’t get anything better on the radio, and don’t really count myself as a fan. But I think it’s ridiculous that there are actually people who are employed by the left to listen to his shows and pore over transcripts looking for something to cook up a controversy about. This is how much the left fears the man, that they have to manufacture faux outrage over him to dupe the gullible. Limbaugh ought to be writing their checks, though, for all the free publicity they give him.

How can a morally barren Right Wing shock jock get away with actually calling for the re-segregation of buses to stop the “racially motivated” violence we should expect under “Obama’s America”?

This is a big pile of bull. If you actually look at what was said, it was a sarcastic depiction of what somebody might say if they were defending the beating of a white kid on a school bus where all the other kids were black. I would say that the humor was in questionable taste, but it was a far cry from calling for “segregated buses,” and you’d have to have no sense of either irony or humor to read it any other way.

Here’s what was said:

I think not only it was racism, it was justifiable racism. I mean, that’s the lesson we’re being taught here today. Kid shouldn’t have been on the bus anyway. We need segregated buses — it was invading space and stuff.

To provide the context for the joke, he also said:

We know that white students are destroying civility on buses, white students destroying civility in classrooms all over America, white congressmen destroying civility in the House of Representatives.

And:

White Americans are racists who have created what they call free markets that really just enslave the rest of America and her trading partners.

Say what you want about it, but if you believe that Limbaugh was calling for segreated buses, then you also have to believe that he hates white people and free markets. Which is, of course, ridiculous.

Posted by: Paul at September 28, 2009 8:49 PM
Comment #288617

People used his words as a rallying cry to further publicly accepted racism. It really doesn’t matter if he meant it passingly; his audience, and those who have similar core beliefs as he, take even jokes like that as a jocular play on serious realities as they see them.

It’s like a passing joke between two people. You can’t possibly be saying that everything Limbaugh says is always taken out of context. Much of it is, but his core message is still the same, and people obviously were motivated enough by his jest to make a show of it. People don’t just get up and demonstrate for no reason. They do so for, and when they believe in something strongly. Limbaugh, while perfectly within his rights to do so, is expressing a virulent belief system though his right to free speech.

All that happens by playing off his message as benign humor is making such extreme, anti-American beliefs more acceptable. He, along with Glenn Beck and others have managed to become the rallying cries for the entire fringe movement of the Right Wing making desperate plays to grab onto and retain power they saw slip through their fingers. It’s up to everyone to make their own informed decision, but with so many of these “truths” being spouted by those like Limbaugh actually attaining a groundswell of support, it speaks volumes about whether or not people are in fact sheep willingly lead by fools.

Posted by: Mike Falino at September 28, 2009 11:30 PM
Comment #288618

You call that garbage a joke?

Posted by: womanmarine at September 28, 2009 11:34 PM
Comment #288621

Amen Paul. You took the words right off my fingertips. The agenda is pretty much transparent.

Posted by: Justa Thinkin at September 29, 2009 2:39 AM
Comment #288622

I believe that he was saying what he did deliberately. He may not truly believe what he said but he does know that what he says is more influential than what most people in his position. My post was not about him, per se, but about the shame I feel whenever a group of people take up some idiotic snippit of “truth” from the likes of Limbaugh, or any media entity, and make it a political cause. I would feel just as much shame if a group of people took what some left wing radio host said literally to the point of protest. It just so happens that the things Limbaugh says, and the people he speaks to are more dangerous than people on the right could ever possibly admit to. It’s one thing to joke—and I’m all for offensive jokes, absurd jokes, whatever—but he has to take some responsibility for inciting and fueling very real hatered and belief that manifest into political activism—such as the town hall monstrocitiees—and perhaps even violence. You can’t possibly believe that everything he says is a joke, or matter of happenstance. He knows his audience and knows that to make money he needs to pander to what people already want to hear. So he gives it to them, regardless of the consequences.

Posted by: Mike Falino at September 29, 2009 7:30 AM
Comment #288627

Sorry, but I just can’t follow the line of logic, where a kid gets beat up on a bus, that leads to a joke about black racism, white racism, or whatever.
Where’s the joke? I’m sorry, but I’m just a stupid liberal. Where are the liberals calling it racism? Huh? Jay Leno’s jokes are a lot easier to understand.

If it isn’t racism to bring up racism, in something completely devoid of racism, then what is it?

OK, maybe I missed something. I think it was black kids beating up a white kid, but didn’t they all run together, and wasn’t this just a bunch of kids being stupid, well, kids?

Posted by: gergle at September 29, 2009 8:47 AM
Comment #288628

Michel Falino said:

“How is that even protected by the first amendment?”

I’m having a little problem with putting restrictions on free speech. If something is said that is false, there are laws in place to allow court action for defamation of character, however this statement tries to place restrictions on speech simply because you do not agree with what is being said.

gergle said:

“OK, maybe I missed something. I think it was black kids beating up a white kid, but didn’t they all run together, and wasn’t this just a bunch of kids being stupid, well, kids?”


What would be said if it were a bunch of white kids beating up a black kid?

Posted by: beretta9 at September 29, 2009 9:00 AM
Comment #288629

If he wasn’t hate-mongering, I’m still not clear on why he was talking about some kids fighting on a bus. Anyone? Anyone?

Posted by: Schwamp at September 29, 2009 9:25 AM
Comment #288630

I think Brunson and Merryman sum this up best:

When we reported on that research, we’d hoped to start a thoughtful dialogue, but there wasn’t much chance of that when the piece was published with a controversial title: “Is Your Baby Racist?” The controversy, though, went in a very different direction than we expected.

I’ll bet that Michael’s thread will do the same thing.

Is there a story at the bottom of this? Sure, there’s allways been racism and there always will be racism. This world is not without its problems. But that story will always be manipulated for some other reason. It sounds like these two are upset that their own magazine ran the title as “Is Your Baby Racist?” Dowd threw the race card on Wilson and sold a ton a newspapers. And Rush exploited both of him to sell radio advertisments.

Politicians on both sides use race to further their careers. Political junkies use stories that contain race, regardless of if it is actually the underling issue, to score points for their side. When in doubt just that a person is speaking in code; that’s an easy debate victory.

So what’s the code here? Again from the article:

Our society is so used to speaking in code, that when we specifically admonished, “Stop speaking in code about race,” people thought we were speaking in code.

You can’t win, but thanks for playing.

Posted by: George at September 29, 2009 9:36 AM
Comment #288633

George,
Remember Ronald Reagan and “states rights”? With a nudge and a wink he brought the south into the GOP fold.

Remember how Ronald Reagan supported South African Apartheid. Remember the accusations that Nelson Mandela was a communist?

Remember the accusations that Martin Luther King was a communist?

Today we hear it once again- Obama is a communist, fascist, and so on.

Remember Bush supporting the the confederate flag as the state symbol of South Carolina? It helped win him an election.

The codes and symbols and well understood. Sometimes the use of codes and symbols becomes more obvious. Limbaugh played “Barack the Magic Negro” many times because it was a ‘joke.’

We all get it, George. No, not all conservatives are racists. I would not go as far as Jimmy Carter and use the word ‘most.’ However, racism is a bedrock fundamental for many conservatives, and it fuels the irrational hatred conservatives have for Obama. It is no coincidence that people show up bearing arms when Obama speaks in public. It is not coincidence that ammo manufactures are selling out of stock. It is no coincidence death threats against Obama are up 400% over the previous administration.

One item or one code word or one symbol or one joke might be written off. When it forms a pervasive pattern, the conclusion is inescapable.

Posted by: phx8 at September 29, 2009 11:15 AM
Comment #288634

beretta9, I wasn’t serious. I said that right after. I’m an advocate of anyone saying anything they want. anything! I was commenting on how people took what he said and started protesting for “white civil rights”! Free speech is paramount over any other right we have!

Posted by: Mike Falino at September 29, 2009 12:07 PM
Comment #288635

To phx8’s point:

The Obama Effect

At what point do we ask influential people to take responsibility for their actions? Sure it was a “joke”, but it was an intentional cue to support beliefs running through an angry, ignorant portion of the public. What happens when more people cry for segregation? Will it just be a coincidence?

Posted by: Mike Falino at September 29, 2009 12:17 PM
Comment #288636

Sorry for repeat posting, but I just keep finding good bits of stuff to prove my point…

More stupidity to write off as harnless joking around!

Posted by: Mike Falino at September 29, 2009 12:21 PM
Comment #288638


Why does the Republican Party tollerate this kind of behavior from people like Limbaugh and Beck?

They need the votes.

Posted by: jlw at September 29, 2009 1:31 PM
Comment #288644

Mike Falino:

So your statement was just a joke? And you wanted me to know the statement was a joke.

How come your original post was based upon something Rush Limbaugh said, and said as a joke? Paul’s response proved that you had taken something Rush Limbaugh had said as serious when it was merely a sarcastic joke.

Do double standards ever bother you guys on the left?

Posted by: beretta9 at September 29, 2009 2:05 PM
Comment #288645

Mike Falino said:

“At what point do we ask influential people to take responsibility for their actions? Sure it was a “joke”, but it was an intentional cue to support beliefs running through an angry, ignorant portion of the public. What happens when more people cry for segregation? Will it just be a coincidence?”

I have never heard a liberal ask someone to take responsibility for their own actions. This goes against all liberal theology.

Sure, your statement was a joke (“How is that even protected by the first amendment?”), “but it was an intentional cue to support beliefs running through an angry, ignorant portion of the public. What happens when more people cry for limited “free speech”? Will it just be a coincidence?”

Posted by: beretta9 at September 29, 2009 2:14 PM
Comment #288647

beretta9, the difference is that what I said was not intended to validate violent sentiments in a group of people already proven to act racist and irrational.

Posted by: Mike Falino at September 29, 2009 2:33 PM
Comment #288648

berretta9,

Your reasoning gets rather murky…am I in the Twilight Zone?

Posted by: Marysdude at September 29, 2009 2:41 PM
Comment #288655

There are multiple wrongs going on at the same time.

Of course if years ago we were all talking about this over a beer speculating on what would happen when the first black president were elected, a 400% increase in death threats would not seem unusual. Expecially the first black president. I would expect some of this behavior to be a weird sort of “normal” whenever a first is created. My guess is that Jackie Robinson received a few death threats as well. Hank Aaron did as well.

The other wrong is the left using Racism as a political tool. Criticizing Obama = Racism is hogwash. Both true racsim and using racism as a poltical tool are wrong.

The race card gets played way too quickly. As a Republican I resent it. Although I have to admit that it usually means a liberal is loosing an argument. Health care is down in the polls, must be racism. Can’t be that the current health care plan is crappy.

Posted by: Craig Holmes at September 29, 2009 3:56 PM
Comment #288657

Trent Franks, Republican Representative from Arizona, just said this:

“Trent Franks of Arizona said in a speech to conservatives Saturday in St. Louis that given Obama’s decision to fund international family planning organizations that support legal abortion, “we shouldn’t be shocked that he does all these other insane things.”

“A president that has lost his way that badly, that has no ability to see the image of God in these little fellow human beings, if he can’t do that right, then he has no place in any station of government and we need to realize that he is an enemy of humanity,” Franks said to the “How to Take Back America” conference.

Craig, there’s a little more going on here than a liberal losing an argument.

Posted by: phx8 at September 29, 2009 4:15 PM
Comment #288660

Obviously he is a racist because he is prolife.

Here is a comment on the same subject by nancy Pelosi:

Well, the family planning services reduce cost. They reduce cost. The states are in terrible fiscal budget crises now and part of what we do for children’s health, education and some of those elements are to help the states meet their financial needs. One of those - one of the initiatives you mentioned, the contraception, will reduce costs to the states and to the federal government.”

So is contraception a Pelosi plan to reduce the number of Blacks in our country?

How far should we go on this?





Posted by: Craig Holmes at September 29, 2009 4:44 PM
Comment #288661

Craig, since it is mainly blacks and minorities who are on the welfare system and using free healthcare in the ER’s, then Pelosi must be refering to blacks and minorities when she wants to impose contraception.

Posted by: beretta9 at September 29, 2009 5:11 PM
Comment #288662

My point is that to grab a quote from here or there and then make a general statement is not going to get us where we want to go.

Jesse Jackson called New York “Himey Town”. Do we want to generalize and say that blacks hate jews?

Pelosi called protesters “anti American”.
Howard Dean said, “I HATE Republicans and everything they stand for.”

If we want to we could go on forever this way.

Harry Ried said the war was a failure in Iraq when US troops (My son included) were on their way the gulf!!!

There is a huge body of hateful comments made by liberals over the years that can be brought up if this is the game the left wants to play.

“My poop doesn’t stink” doesn’t look like a great argument.

On the other hand if the left wants to make a general statement that we need to elevate the political language in our country, then I am with you on that.

Liberal Poop stinks as well.

Posted by: Craig Holmes at September 29, 2009 5:50 PM
Comment #288666


beretta9:

Where I live, the emergency rooms are fill with white people and a spattering of other colors. The same is true of the welfare system here.

The minoritiy you speak of are mostly the poor and they come in all colors.


Craig, Rush would have no problem playing both sides of that coin. When profits and votes are concerned, he can rant about the liberals and their black allies destroying American and still find time to denounce Pelosi as a promoter of genocide for Blacks. He has even been known to kick around a Republican or two that were unpopular with his listeners. McCain is still out but Bush is making a comeback.

His listeners don’t listen to those who would point out the distinction and most of them don’t seem to be that discerning. Many of them need a message and a reason to vote.

The Republicans need the votes. For a Republican politician to go after Limbaugh is like inviting the Wrath of Kahn on yourself.

Posted by: jlw at September 29, 2009 6:25 PM
Comment #288669

Rush Limbaugh has about 13 million listeners.

I listen for short periods of time. He is boring to me. I want to trounce you liberals but the predicatble stuff gets dull. It’s the same with Hannity.

The left has really crappy humor. It’s like being in a cheap gong show.

I used to like Ed Shultz. He seems go have lost his mind.

“The Republicans lie. They want to see you dead. They‘d rather make money off your dead corpse. They kind of like it when that woman has cancer and they don’t have anything for her. That‘s how the insurance companies make money, by denying the coverage.”

Here is a quote of Ed Shultz building a bipartisen coalition on healthcare. Makes me want to work with all of you.


Posted by: Craig Holmes at September 29, 2009 7:21 PM
Comment #288670

Here is some hate for you.

This is what you on the left did to my son’s commander while my son was serving in Kuwait.

http://farm2.static.flickr.com/1012/1367745829_f7b4865b8a.jpg

Not sure if you want to go down this hate road. The left has it’s own hate issue to solve.

Tell you what, when you on the left solve YOUR hate issue, then come and teach us on the right how to solve ours.

Posted by: Craig Holmes at September 29, 2009 7:30 PM
Comment #288673

beretta9:

What would be said if it were a bunch of white kids beating up a black kid?

It depends on who is speaking. Rush Limbaugh would remain silent. The Black Panthers or Al Sharpton might protest.

The local D.A. and police would evaluate the situation, like they did in the case originally cited, and make appropriate charges. Why does that bother you so much?

Posted by: gergle at September 29, 2009 8:14 PM
Comment #288685

Where is the FCC now? Shock jock Howard Stern was forced to go to sattelite radio because they found him too offensive, why are they not doing the same to this idiot? Why can’t they yank his license to broadcast? Where is the government oversight on this guy?

Posted by: Victor R Romano at September 30, 2009 7:06 AM
Comment #288686

They shouldn’t yank his licence, that’s the point! He has every right to say what he wants; the responsibiliity falls on individuals not to be idiots. Howard Stern never should have been kicked off. Limbaugh shouldn’t. The best thing is for sponsors who don’t agree with his message to pull their support. Siince money is America’s God, hit him where it hurts. But banning people from the airways and punishing freee speech is not the answer. The FCC is a phony organization that does nothing but to promote a puritanical, pseudo-PC agenda. All airways should be free of regulation. People should be forced to take responsibility for themselves. Don’t like? Don’t listen, or don’t let your kids watch/listen. But don’t take something away from everyone because another group finds something offensive… oh wait, that’s what this country does all the time… (cough cough, flavored cigarettes, cough cough)

Posted by: Mike Falino at September 30, 2009 7:30 AM
Comment #288687

gergle:
Double standards.

craig holmes:
20 million listeners.

Mike Falino:
“But banning people from the airways and punishing freee speech is not the answer.”

You are alone on the left with this line of thought. Most want to stifle free speech.

Posted by: beretta9 at September 30, 2009 10:01 AM
Comment #288692

Luckily I don’t concider myself part of “The Left”. And there’s enough stifling of free speech on the Right. Why exactly can’t we say God Damn on TV? We can say a million other “bad words”, but not God Damn?

But that’s another argument for another day. To say the least, both sides are guilty of trying to shape public thought and action through the cutting back of free speech in varoius ways and venues!

Posted by: Mike Falino at September 30, 2009 12:06 PM
Comment #288694

Mike Falino wrote; “Siince money is America’s God, hit him where it hurts.”

That is a rather jaundiced view of our society. Now if you would have written…Money is the God of politicians I might agree with you.

American’s value those natural rights enumerated in our constitution and bill of rights. Among these, perhaps the most important is our natural right to the ownership of property. Without that, our other natural freedoms are meaningless.

Posted by: Royal Flush at September 30, 2009 2:03 PM
Comment #288710

very true RF, but free speech is more important. And you can “own” land without money having any part. If everyone was garaunteed a lot of land, then there would be no “value” but everyone would still be entitled to their own share. You can protect all our rights and leave money out of the equation all together.

But money, wealth, things, and stuff, are what society is driven more then it would like to admit. Values, no matter if they mesh with other groups’ or not do not shape our society as much as “stuff”. Money, and therefore greed, is what drives society. It is the fundamental driving force of capitalism. “I want shiny things for what I do, and I want more than all those other guys!”

Posted by: Mike Falino at September 30, 2009 7:00 PM
Comment #288791

bereta9:

useless, unsupported, ad hominem argument.

Posted by: gergle at October 1, 2009 9:57 PM
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