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Why is Obama Proud of America?

Joe Scarborough has been harping on this comment by Obama in Iowa that his win there vindicated his faith in the voters, as if it’s all about Obama arrogantly proclaiming his own candidacy to be a measure of that. Others on the program were saying that it’s about race. I say that’s only part. I say there’s something larger that Obama was talking about, larger than himself, or his race.

Just look at Obama's campaign. He wasn't supposed to win. I know some will point out and did point out that he wasn't white enough for some, not black enough for others, but like I said, race is only part of it. What we have to remember is that Obama is a reform candidate running on a very unconventional campaign.

People assumed that you could not build up enough of a financial base without relying mostly on big money donors. Obama's donors have proved them wrong. People assumed that Americans wouldn't cotton to a guy who spoke in complex, sober terms about the issues. They assumed that his obvious intelligence and educated character would make him too hoity-toity for voters, that they would merely want somebody who they could have a beer with.

They assumed that voters would get distracted, that they'd all fall prey to the culture war landmines, and that Obama would be left alone. They assumed that Obama would have to get into the slime and start making everything personal, that the typical distinctions would not be enough. They told Obama that he'd have to get meaner in the debates, that he'd have to get much more partisan, make it about Democrats against Republicans. Oh, and don't complement your opponents.

Compete just in the Blue States and the swing states, they said. Don't try to change the shape of the map for Democrats, just get the Blue states and win a few battlegrounds.

There are so many reasons why the pundits said that Obama wasn't going to win, or be in the lead, and despite all that, look where voters have gotten him, where he's been able to lead them.

Not a lot of people really gave a campaign that looked to win on the issues, that sought funding for the most part from the small donors, where the candidate projected an image of calm rather than passion, much of a chance. Obama was seeking to run a better kind of campaign from the beginning, to part ways from the special interest driven politics of personal destruction, to steer politics back to being some use for the average person. But as usual, people said that Americans were sadly too far gone in their political squalor to back reformers, to back such a quaint campaign with such a... well, nontraditional candidate, demographic wise.

That didn't stop them. They responded to politics they weren't supposed to. Obama figured that they would respond to that in these times when politics had so poorly served America, but you could never be sure. Obama wouldn't have been the first populist reformer to be disappointed. But he wasn't, and Obama's beat the odds since then with the help of Americans who have gotten involved, gotten informed, and fought for the kind of government they want. Americans across party lines, across lines of income and race have come out to take back their government. And that's faith worth vindicating. That something that make me proud of this country in a way that I haven't been for a long time. Since I was a child, I've heard more and more about how our political system is in decline, and watched the civility and the competence in washington trending downwards.

We are all proud of this country. But what are we proud of? America in the abstract, as our home? America in it's past achievements, undeniably great and worthy of being held up on a pedestal? America in its potential? America as a place of rights and liberties? All worthy things to be proud of. But what about taking pride in how your government runs, how your nation behaves, and believing that there are things which are below America, which are not worthy of it? What about the pride that leads us to stop being passive observers in the political system, or selfishly interested in it for just our own sake, and to start participating for the good of those beyond ourselves.

Americans have found their horizons growing smaller, their politics shrinking to suit. They have finally not only had enough, but said "enough." Americans are finally beginning to defy the cynicism and teh resigned fatalism of a Democracy in decay, and have stood up for something beyond the narrow and the selfish. And that is something that is wonderful to behold.

Posted by Stephen Daugherty at November 2, 2008 7:49 AM
Comments
Comment #269151

Stephen,

In the mid ’90s the Republicans found out that fear can win an election. In other words, if you can tighten the electorate’s sphincter tight enough, their brains will lock up and they’ll follow you anywhere.
We just went through 8 years with a President that “you could have a beer with”. Unfortunately it appears the party didn’t stop with just one beer.

In 2000 McCain seemed his own man. The same cannot be said this time around.
Much has been said about Sarah Palin’s “experience”.
One would think that it would be easy to govern a state ranked 47th in population, and 1st in natural resources. Hell there are probably corporations in this country with more employees than Alaska has residents.

No matter who wins this election, the elephant in the room, for years to come, will be the economy. Also, no matter who wins, if they can’t turn this country around (admittedly a daunting task) they will be a one term President.

Rocky

Posted by: Rocky Marks at November 2, 2008 9:28 AM
Comment #269159

This was just another in an endless stream of attacks against Obama, and out of more desperation than the preceding ones. Those who have refused to truly listen to his messages, were not going to hear what he was saying in this one.
He entered into this venture of near insurmountable odds, with his eyes open. In retrospect, the results are literally awesome. Couldn’t you imagine that someone having been born with one or two strikes already against him, could perceive the attention, respect, and admiration he is seeing, as vindication?
Those who are castigating him for this are looking for the most insignificant comment or gesture by which to lanuch their attacks. A gaurded mind is only going to let selective material in…….

Posted by: janedoe at November 2, 2008 10:41 AM
Comment #269161

It seems to me that a lot of the people who are excited about Obama (and not just voting for the new kid on the block) is that they transfer all of the things they are thinking and feeling onto him, instead of evaluating what he has said or not said. Stephen displays this in this article, when we have a situation where he is trying to ‘guess’ what Obama meant by something, he tries to confer into that statement what he feels, not necessarily what Obama feels. And I am beginning to think that is the real power that the vaugarity of Obama’s campaign provides.

Normally this wouldn’t be enough, but when combined with the other aspects of the campaign that have little or nothing to do with Obama himself, it is giving him the edge.

The only real problem is that while this may get him elected, as it did with Carter, it will most likely not bode well once there will be no bogey-man to fight anymore, with a Democratically controlled government.

Posted by: Rhinehold at November 2, 2008 10:45 AM
Comment #269179

Rhinehold-
I didn’t have to guess what he meant. I knew what he meant. So did most of the people. It’s only the pundits and the Republicans twisting the meaning of his words that got things confused.

I think Obama has made it rather clear that he’s got plans beyond a simple reaction to Bush.

What’s giving Obama the advantage is not where he’s vague, but where he’s not. What’s been remarked upon by interviewers and supporters alike is his confident ability to hold a conversation about his principle without having to resort to vague rhetoric. Where he hasn’t been too specific, it’s usually where he can’t be too specific, issues that require you to know what the president knows. The fact that Obama typically doesn’t try to run people around in rhetorical circles to avoid answering an uncomfortable question makes him somebody you can put confidence in, unlike Palin who even went so far as to tell the moderators at her debate that she wasn’t going to answer her question.

Obama’s openness, and his evident open-mindedness makes him an appealling alternative to the kind of stubborn, secretive narrowness of the current administration. Obama’s not looking to set things up in an adversarial way. His aim has been to find common ground. Maybe McCain would have to use the Democratic congress as a bogeyman (they’re already doing that, as a matter of fact) but Obama is not relying on that kind of partisanship. He’s looking to create a governing majority, not a 51/49 split.

Posted by: Stephen Daugherty at November 2, 2008 1:08 PM
Comment #269190

Rhinehold,

If the other side can attack on their interpretation of what he said in Iowa, why shouldn’t his side?

No one who writes over here hides the fact that they like Obama and what he stands for. Obama and his proposed policies and his words are picked apart by those on the other side…should all that fluff and nonsense go unchallenged?

What would that do to WatchBlog…

Posted by: Marysdude at November 2, 2008 2:37 PM
Comment #269201

Stephen

In two days, the biggest con in American history will be complete if Barry wins this thing.

We (you) are about to vote for a guy who was off the radar five years ago..who has spent 2 years in the Senate (the other 2 years he has been campainging for the presidency)and what you know about him is what his slick media laudering machine spews out in seemless fashion.

Consider:

1.We will never know about “pay as you go” credit cards that were purchased here and outside of America that were slammed into his campaign under phony names. Conceiveably, Bin Laden could,if he wanted, buy a truckful of those cards and slam them each in $2300 increments..or small increments of $20 (computer robo driven that is). This guy has nothing more than a laundering mechanism that makes the departed Cali cartel green with envy. Had the Comumbian drug lords used Barry’s guys, they’d still be in business.

2. He is owned lock,stock and barrel by the corrupt Chicago political and black religious world. He is their creation. Emil Jones and his crew are smirking right now.

3.45 to 47% of voting Americans (only 55% will vote anyhow) see thru thus guy, the remainder,blinded by their hatred of Bush, would vote for Satun himself if he had a shot to claim the Oval Office.

4. Look at this list: Micheal Moore, Jack Murtha, Nancy Pelosi, Harry Reid, Whoopie Goldberg,Ted Kennedy, John Kerry…collectively as a group a despicable a lot that can be found anywhere….will be within a whisper of the president’s ear. A veritable gang of Rasputins about to also ascend to power.

5. The sad part about this is that Congress..with an approval rating half that of the president…and as responsible as any for the crash on Wall Street..will now have complete …and maybe a filibuster proof majority…so that the likes of Chris Dodd and Barney Frank can continue to chop the military and screw the 1% who provide jobs.

6. Me? I’ve been thru Johnson, Carter, and Clinton administrations. I will wait for the Dems to screw up…they always do…I cut my teeth writing about the liberal left…and I assume I will have plenty of new issues about which to write in the coming months and years. This I know: we will still be flying around,watching.

Bet on it.

Of course, strange things can happen. Some Americans,when they get behind that curtain in the voting booth…may decide then and there that they can’t pull the lever for Barry. If McCain can come with 2% by Monday night, he may still pull this out.

Politics being what it is,however,sometimes blinds us all…we are all Americans last I looked. And I assume that continue to be the case.

Posted by: sicilian eagle at November 2, 2008 3:38 PM
Comment #269203

I have never seen more fear in an election from all sides.

My neighbor a good democrat put it this way:

“I am voting for Biden. If Obama gets elected, he will get shot. If McCain is elected he will die in office. Palin is not experienced enough to run the country. I think Biden can hold things together until we have another election.”

I think we are heading into a very difficult time.

Some how the electoriate has been convinced that if you single out the top 5% for tax increase there will not be a reaction. For every action there is an equal and opposite reaction. We are about to pull the chain of the people who pay most of the taxes in this country. Singling our a small minority with that much power with as much arrogance and ignorance as is in the left right now, is a classic over reach.

Pelosi and Reid are not going to last. Obama, Reid and Pelosi are not going to be long in power as a team. The extreme left are not goint to long have control of two branches of government. You cannot govern from the extreme edge.


If democrats want to hold on to power they will need to fire Reid and Pelosi. Look at Pelosi and compare her to Tip Oneal or Tom Foley. The former were statesman, Pelosi is a political hack.

Tough days they are a commin.

Posted by: Moderate Republican at November 2, 2008 3:51 PM
Comment #269211

To be proud of America’s founding principles and her progress in fulfilling those, is intelligent, rational, and patriotic. However, the counter statement is also true. To be critical of America’s lack of progress in fulfilling her founding principles is also, intelligent, rational, and patriotic.

Those who see conflict in these two sentences above are not capable of being intelligent, rational, nor patriotic in any other fashion than emotive.

To be aware of the power and limitations of logic is a central test of education. America has a great deal of learning to catch up on in this area to compete with the likes of India, China, and Japan.

Nothing succeeds like success, and their nationally standardized educational systems based on math, technology, and logic are underwriting their economic and innovative competitive advantage in the rest of this century.

America desperately needs to redesign its educational system if posterity is to have a chance at prosperity.

Posted by: David R. Remer at November 2, 2008 4:37 PM
Comment #269212

ModRep, I’d say we’ve managed to grit our teeth and slosh through the tough times already. We have only a handful of days to finish out the Bush fiasco and move forward. So, that looks to me like tough days are-a goinnn.
Your paranoia is…well, just that….paranoia. Get over it, or seek help.
siceagle, you’ve been touting your close, personal, inside sources for a long time, and I’ve yet to see anything that is a major headline come from those sources. We have put up with some of the most disgusting abuse of the Constitution and other laws of this land, the degradation of the entire nation and just the pure crap shoved down our throats by Bushco for nearly 8 years. There is hope out there, and it certainly doesn’t pal around with McPalin…..

Posted by: janedoe at November 2, 2008 4:37 PM
Comment #269214

Here’s the thing that bugs me: let’s take this controversy over what Biden said. No reasonable person could assume, especially given his follow up, that Biden was trying to say his future boss’s rise was going to make things more dangerous.

But the opportunity presented itself. I’m not naive, I know how things go. But there’s a difference between recognizing the opportunity of fumbled words, and failing to recognize the trickery of the words made to exploit this.

Hopefully, what we’re doing in politics is more than fancy, self-centered wordplay. Unfortunately, when the soundbite is considered the elemental constituent of a message, that’s the tendency. The literal word, bereft of context or common sense interpretation can be bent in infinite directions. Sure it makes it easier to employ corrosive rhetoric, but at the price of substance.

The Republicans, I think, have gotten addicted to such rhetorical methods. It’s become their main way to discredit opposing arguments: personal attacks, gross misintepretations of what others say. Now, like I said, I’m not naive. Obama’s used these methods sometimes, but not with the intensity and exclusivity.

Ultimately, the question we have to ask ourselves is what is meaningful to ourselves as a nation. As Partisans we can make meaningful statements out of anything. But what are the facts, and who has the best ideas? That is what people are fighting, or should be fighting, to figure out.

Posted by: Stephen Daugherty at November 2, 2008 4:39 PM
Comment #269216

Moderate Republican said: “For every action there is an equal and opposite reaction.”

If that were true of politics, civil rights would never have become a reality. The fact is, in the area of politics and sociology, every action can have a cumulative or synergistic effect that supersedes the equal and opposite reaction of the individual act. Mrs. Park’s act of refusing to sit at the rear of the bus, is a perfect example.

Posted by: David R. Remer at November 2, 2008 4:41 PM
Comment #269231

SE-
1) We will never know? Then how do you know it’s such a terrible problem, and not your fevered imagination? You guys think voter fraud was a real problem, and yet when you folks were pushing this in 2004, 2006, the actual occurences were laughably few. Perhaps the campaign finance laws need some modernization to prevent deal with it, but it’s really doubtful anybody could pull of such a massive, large scale operation like that without getting noticed, having some idiot shoot off their mouth, or getting squealed on. And don’t think this Justice Department would fail to jump on it.

2) Yes, they assembled Barack Obama from spare body parts of African Americans who died in shootouts. Give me a break. If you read about his history in that place, it wasn’t all fun and games. As for the Black Religious world? If you read Dreams From My Father, Obama’s sketching out of it indicates that it is neither so cohesive nor so sinister as you would make out. But of course, that doesn’t scare voters like you need them to be frightened.

3) That’s a very partisan way of putting things, and not terribly useful. Look at things from a perspective of practical results. Record deficits after surpluses. The worst economic downturn since the Great Depression. Two wars that Americans wanted won are being bungled. And all the Republicans seem to care about is maintaining their political discipline. Political discipline will not save your party; it’s practically destroyed it. What your party needs is an unsparing look at itself and its failures. It took the Democrats something like that to move forward. I suggest it.

4)Most people who aren’t Republicans are going to look at that list and not even bat an eyelash. Such anxieties are the province of partisans on your side.

5)Congress is viewed with such disapproval because it has failed to change the direction of the country. Republicans are viewed with disapproval because they continue to succeed in taking the country in the wrong direction.

People would have contempt for the person who fails to keep a terrorist from blowing up the busload of children, but that’s nothing compared to the anger they feel against the terrorist who did the actual violence.

McCain will have to deal with that underlying resentment in that voting booth. My feeling is that any hesitance in voting for Obama is going to be relatively minor compared with hesitance for voting the Republicans in to another four years.

But we could all be making like Ace Ventura and talking out of our rears, so we’ll see how things go down on judgment election day. ;-)

Moderate Republican-
The economy naturally tends to concentrate wealth in the hands of a few. The problem with this economy right now isn’t that rich people don’t have enough to invest. The problem is the failure of the market to function like it’s supposed to, with information properly disclosed, with people not leveraging themselves crazy, speculating all over the place, then suddenly everything being brought down to earth in a sudden crash.

My experience is that your party has done much to make this necessary information harder to get, on the theory that companies that can play faster and looser can grow faster and stimulate the economy. Well, as we saw with Enron and WorldCom, it can also lead to widespread fraud and investor manipulation. That’s just one problem.

But that’s not the problem you’re going to hear about from those folks who vilify the top names in my party. They’ll tell you it was poor folks getting mortgages they couldn’t afford because the government told them to. But they’ll be wrong. They’ll know nothing about the declining market share of those companies or the vast majority of top mortgage lenders who were barely affected by that lending law if at all. But what they say will make good rhetorical sense.

The tough days aren’t a coming, they’re already here. The question is, who just wants to pretend like it’s business as usual, and who is motivated and backed to do something about it.

Posted by: Stephen Daugherty at November 2, 2008 7:13 PM
Comment #269235

Moderate Republican:

Obama’s policies will return the tax levels on the top 5% to Reagan-era levels. This is the equal and opposite reaction; to return our tax structure to a more progressive form after years of tax cuts for the rich that have increased the burden on the middle class.

Posted by: Jarandhel at November 2, 2008 7:53 PM
Comment #269247

SE

In two days, the biggest con in American history will be complete if Barry wins this thing.

I think the last eight years are probably a bit more worthy of your claim as the biggest con in history. They will be tough to top.

Posted by: RickIL at November 2, 2008 9:09 PM
Comment #269249

I don’t think it’s a con. I think it’s snake eyes. It’s a sequence of improbable events that make an extreme president possible.

First of all Bush was incompetant. Even if the war was wrong, if it was won and over, it would not be an issue today. (Or much of an issue).

Instead the conduct of the war was terribly mismanaged.

Then we have Katrina. Admitedly a Democratic Govenor and Mayor played rolls as well.

Leter we have a terrible Republican Congress who spent the country’s treasure on crap.

Even though Bush is closer to the political center than Obama, his incompetance encouraged voters to look elsewhere.

Then Republicans nominate a war candidate, which would be fine except the economy is closing on the economy.

I could go on and on, but my main point is that we will now have an extreme left wing president, speaker and majority leader in the Senate.

With a government led by leaders so far out of the political center, there is going to be a reaction back to center.

I think the next two years are going to be pretty ugly.

America wants to fire Bush, but I don’t see it wanting to elect France!!

Posted by: Mod Rep at November 2, 2008 9:50 PM
Comment #269250

Mod Rep-
It’s not electing France. I think most people talking about socialism, not to mention France have no real experience of either.

Posted by: Stephen Daugherty at November 2, 2008 10:27 PM
Comment #269269

S.D.
Did you actually read what you posted? What a bunch of BS.
If thats how you think, we are in worse shape than I realized. Thats how i’m “feeling”

Posted by: tr10 at November 3, 2008 3:25 AM
Comment #269272

Stephen:

What is for sure is that this new government is going to be politically way to the left of the voting public.

I actually wonder if Obama-Pelosi-Reid are closer to the political middle of France than they are to America.

Posted by: Mod Rep at November 3, 2008 8:57 AM
Comment #269274
Obama’s policies will return the tax levels on the top 5% to Reagan-era levels.

Are you calling Ronald Reagan a socialist? That’s outrageous. And don’t say McCain used to be a socialist when he voted against the bush tax cut on the wealthy. That’s really outrageous. And don’t call Palin a socialist cause everyone in Alaska gets handout checks that they don’t earn. That’s just too much.

Posted by: Schwamp at November 3, 2008 9:20 AM
Comment #269276

Mod Rep, seems your unqualified VP candidate loves France. You don’t see America wanting to elect France, just a France loving mediocre housefrau.

Posted by: ray at November 3, 2008 9:33 AM
Comment #269277

In Europe, Sarkozy of france is center right, And so is Merkel Of Germany, in there spectrum they shifted Right.Pelosi many times i wish she would find out.;)

Posted by: Rodney Brown at November 3, 2008 9:41 AM
Comment #269280

tr10-
Did I actually read what I wrote? Hmmm. No, I just closed my eyes and typed, then used spellcheck. That’s why I said Palin shot a mouse in her pajamas and not a moose.

But seriously, is that all you can muster? Disbelief that I don’t agree with you? Anxiety that people don’t agree with the far right? The Right has become way to arrogant about the necessity of its policies to keep America from collapse. We can do just fine without the Republicans protecting us all from ourselves.

Mod Rep-
I have complete faith that on election day, we will see Americans go precisely to that political position on the spectrum where they want it.

I don’t know why you think that continuing to invoke France will somehow get your average reader to say “well their politics kind of looks like France in the right light”.

So much of current Republican rhetoric and argumentation is focused around pushing buttons to make people react, and to wedge them apart from their fellow voters. Trouble is, this reactionary language is behind the times, and many people will simply see it as annoying.

Posted by: Stephen Daugherty at November 3, 2008 10:22 AM
Comment #269328

Stephen writes; “Trouble is, this reactionary language is behind the times, and many people will simply see it as annoying.”

Is this the reactionary language and annoying ideas you refer to Stephen?

Last week’s revelation - in Barack Obama’s own words - that he believes the U.S. Supreme Court should redistribute income to bring about “economic justice” in this country is the final piece of the puzzle that reveals what he believes about the role of government in our lives. Taken with his other statements about wealth, taxes and spending, it reveals a radical-left view of government like this country has never seen.”

“A government that can take your money and redistribute income will not tolerate any criticism from the people or the press. They should simply stand quiet as an all-wise government decides how much money they should have.

And now we know he wants to appoint Supreme Court justices, with lifetime appointments, who will do the same.

This is Obamanomics. While previous American presidents based their tax policies on what would bring in the most to government coffers and help the economy, Mr. Obama says he will base tax policy on what he decides is “fair.” According to Mr. Obama, he will decide what taxes are “fair” and what distribution of wealth and income achieve “economic justice” through “redistributive change.”

Link; http://townhall.com/Columnists/KenBlackwell/2008/11/03/obamanomics?page=1

Posted by: Jim M at November 3, 2008 7:26 PM
Comment #269335

I’ll bet there are more past Presidents who were chagrined by the voting records of their appointees than were pleased with them. Once an appointment is made, it can’t be withdrawn, and Supreme Justices tend to think more in terms of the Constitution than in the party of the President that appointed them. Even the ones who’s findings go against your grain, do so because they think it is within the parameters of the Constitution.

Posted by: Marysdude at November 3, 2008 8:26 PM
Comment #269336

Somewhere out there I am sure is a tape of Obama when he was 8 years old calling somebody a “poopy head”.
I am just as sure that there is a newspaper that has the tape and is refusing to release it.

Jim M,

Are you the exact same person you were 7 years ago?

Rocky

Posted by: Rocky Marks at November 3, 2008 8:31 PM
Comment #269348

What is very different about now verses Reagan’s time is that soon over half of voters will pay no income taxes. We are at 4% now.

How is that good for Democracy.

And yes there will be a reaction to increasing this spectrum.

Reid, Pelosi and Obama are not going to move to the middle with what appears to be a land slide vote. They will over reach. You will over reach.

Actually, it already is an overreach.

This election is so full of fear. I have never seen such arrogance as I see on the left.

There isn’t much that can be done at this point because people aren’t much in a listening mode.

WE have gone from bubble to bubble to bubble. Now you are in a liberal bubble. Remember just a few months ago some were talking about oil to $200/barrel. Society is being torn appart.

Right now we are giving power to a newcomer, and arrogant newcomer. Just like in 1999 Americans were throwing money at companies who had no earnings because they were .com’s.

I don’t understand all the reasons for the bubbles, but I think this latest bubble is the most dangerous of all.

Posted by: Mod Rep at November 3, 2008 10:28 PM
Comment #269351

>This election is so full of fear. I have never seen such arrogance as I see on the left.

Mod Rep,

Please make up your mind…Democrats are either living in fear or too arrogant…one or the other, but unlikely both.

Posted by: Marysdude at November 3, 2008 10:37 PM
Comment #269369

Jim M-
Don’t make me laugh. His point wasn’t that the Supreme Court should redistribute wealth, it’s that under most circumstances, it can’t or shouldn’t, so the black community should try private methods to redistribute income- or put another way, encourage economic growth through business alliances and other things.

That’s a conservative point of view, is it not? Don’t wait for court decisions to hand you prosperity, build your neighborhoods up through hardwork and partnerships.

Mod Rep-
Fear is the mind-killer. Obama winning will not be the end of the world. I think America has shifted, not too far to the left, but significantly so.

Posted by: Stephen Daugherty at November 4, 2008 7:24 AM
Comment #269413

Stephen wrote of me; “Don’t make me laugh.”

OK Stephen, don’t laugh. Obviously you read something in the Obama statement I referenced that I failed to see. I see no difference between the statement I quoted and his recent pronouncements of “We need to share the wealth” thru income tax refunds to those who pay no income tax, and “it’s selfish to not want to pay higher taxes”.

Unfortunately many liberals who are not really socialists like Obama, fail to understand what he stands for having been blinded by his halo and “change” speak.

Many liberals will find this new Obama world not to their liking or what they expected. On another site Mr. Remer, the revered liberal writer, even stated his magical thinking that Mr. Obama would challenge the “Goliaths” in his own party.

I will not predict the election outcome today as I know strange and unexpected things happen having lived thru so many in my 67 years. Regardless of the outcome I have faith and confidence in the people of America and believe that any huge swing to the left will be met with overwhelming and effective outrage.

Posted by: Jim M at November 4, 2008 1:21 PM
Comment #269414

Stephen:

I would be surprized if America had not shifted to the left with George Bush’s performance. And the performance of the Republican congress.

This election was first about firing Bush.

The next election will be about firing Reid and Pelosi. 1992 Bill Clinton was elected, 2 years later Tom Foley was fired as speaker of the house. Pelosi is a far more of a political hack than Foley. Foley far more the statesman.

Now that Bush has been fired, next America will want protection from Obama’s extremism. And on the cycle goes!!

Posted by: Mod Rep at November 4, 2008 1:32 PM
Comment #269447

Mod R. Yes Good Riddance to bush and you just might be right about Pelosi another example of a person who was great at getting them to the mountain top But failed to deliver After. Reid I think he is a pretty sharp fella and pragmatic he will adapt, Another thought All if they get a super majority or even close What are the chances of Lieberman switching sides No .1. he will be regulated to broom detail when they take the super majority or close too it, no .2. the republicans will give him carte Blanche.

Posted by: Rodney Brown at November 4, 2008 5:27 PM
Comment #269463

TROY DAVIS,PLEASE REMEMBER THAT AMERICA IS NOT THE OLD SOUTH ~ AFRICA !!


A $TATE ECONOMIC BOYCOTT OF GEORGIA INTERNATIONALLY WILL OBVIOU$LY BE THE END RE$ULT OF GEORGIA DECIDING TO MURDER A PO$$IBLE INNOCENT TROY DAVI$ WITHOUT A NEW AND FAIR TRIAL ?

*** US CONGRESSIONAL MEMBERS WHO ARE ALSO LAWYERS BY TRADE, CONTINUE TO DENY poorer AMERICAN’S PROPER LEGAL REPRESENTATION !!!

THE INTERNATIONAL COMMUNITY NEEDS TO BEGIN A FORMAL INVESTIGATION INTO THESE US CONGRESSIONAL CRIMES AGAINST HUMANITY, AND HUMAN RIGHTS VIOLATIONS BEING INFLICTED ON poorer AMERICAN’S LIKE MR.TROY DAVIS OF GEORGIA !!!

HAVING BEEN DENIED APPEAL LAWYERS FOR THREE YEARS ON DEATH ROW IN GEORGIA MR. TROY DAVIS IS NOW BEING EXECUTED FOR A CRIME HE MIGHT NOT HAVE EVEN BEEN INVOLVED WITH !!!

SENATOR OBAMA PLEASE LET THIS COUNTRIES VOTERS KNOW YOUR FEELINGS AND THOUGHTS ABOUT A NEEDED FUTURE REPAIR AND RENOVATION OF OUR BROKEN JUDICIAL SYSTEM THAT CONTINUES TO ALLOW THE EXECUTION’S OF EVEN POSSIBLE INNOCENT AMERICAN’S LIKE TROY DAVIS OF GEORGIA ?????

BEING THE WEALTHIEST COUNTRY IN THE WORLD SENATOR OBAMA, DON’T WE NEED AS THE LEADERS OF THE FREE WORLD TO BEGIN ONCE AGAIN TO RE-INVEST THE PROPER MONIE$ IN OUR OWN US JUDICIAL SYSTEM, ASSURING ALL OF OUR CITIZENS THEIR RIGHTS TO FAIR TRIALS WITH PROPER LEGAL REPRESENTATION ???

DOES GOD NEED TO LOBBY OUR US CONGRESSIONAL LEADERS OF THE FREE WORLD ON BEHALF OF OUR poorer american’s SENATOR OBAMA,OR ARE YOU WATCHING OUT FOR THEM ??

***OUR US CONGRESS CONTINUES TO DENY MIDDLE CLASS AND WORKING POOR AMERICANS PROPER LEGAL REPRESENTATION EVEN THOUGH WRONGFUL EXECUTIONS & FALSE INCARCERATIONS CONTINUE ALL ACROSS AMERICA ???

*** 700 BILLION $$$ AVAILABLE FOR US BAILOUT, & NO $$$ FOR ALL POORER AMERICANS PROPER LEGAL REPRESENTATION ? SENATOR OBAMA, THIS JUDICIAL INJUSTICE HAS BECOME AN AMERICAN ART FORM, AND NO LONGER CAN BE KEPT HIDDEN OR SECRET FROM THE AMERICAN PEOPLE EVEN IF CERTAIN (501c3) U$ RELIGIOU$ LEADER$ HAVE BEEN $ILENCED ??

LETS ALL HOPE OUR MEDIA FRIENDS CONTINUE TO SHOW AN INTEREST IN REPORTING ON THIS AMERICAN HORROR FACING THESE (TENS OF THOUSANDS) FORGOTTEN AND TRAPPED POORER AMERICANS, AND HOW THIS PRESIDENTIAL CONTENDER HANDLES THIS VERY SERIOUS ISSUE FACING AMERICA’S LATINO AND BLACK AMERICAN COMMUNITIES ????

WITH 80% OF THE BLACK AMERICAN VOTERS SAYING THEY SUPPORT SENATOR OBAMA IN THIS PRESIDENTIAL ELECTION, IT IS ONLY FAIR FOR EVERYONE TO KNOW PRIOR BEING ELECTED OUR NEXT PRESIDENT OF THE UNITED STATES HOW THIS DEMOCRATIC SENATOR TRULY FEELS ABOUT THIS AMERICAN JUDICIAL INJUSTICE CONTINUING TO INFLICT GRAVE HARM ON THE BLACK & LATINO AMERICAN FAMILIES AND THEIR COMMUNITIES NATIONWIDE ??????

*** WHEN GOD’S FACE BECAME VERY RED *** THE US SUPREME COURT GAVE ENEMY COMBATANTS FEDERAL APPEAL HC RIGHTS LAWYERS AND PROPER ACCESS TO US FEDERAL COURTS,AND POORER AMERICANS (MANY EVEN ON DEATH ROW) ARE DENIED PROPER FEDERAL APPEAL LEGAL REPRESENTATION TO OUR US FEDERAL COURTS OF APPEAL, AND ROTTING IN AMERICAN PRISONS NATIONWIDE ?????????

**** INNOCENT AMERICANS ARE DENIED REAL HC RIGHTS WITH THEIR FEDERAL APPEALS ! THE AMERICAN PEOPLE ARE $LOWLY FINDING OUT HOW EA$Y IT I$ FOR MIDDLE CLA$$ AND WORKING POOR AMERICAN$ TO FALL VICTIM TO OUR U$ MONETARY JUDICIAL $Y$TEM.

****WHEN THE US INNOCENT WERE ABANDONED BY THE GUILTY **** The prison experts have reported that there are 100,000 innocent Americans currently being falsely imprisoned along with the 2,300,000 total US prison population nationwide.

***WHERE ARE AMERICA’S RELIGIOUS LEADERS ??????? Since our US Congress has never afforded poor prison inmates federal appeal legal counsel for their federal retrials,they have effectively closed the doors on these tens of thousands of innocent citizens ever being capable of possibly exonerating themselves to regain their freedom through being granted new retrials.

This same exact unjust situation was happening in our Southern States when poor and mostly uneducated Black Americans were being falsely imprisoned for endless decades without the needed educational skills to properly submit their own written federal trial appeals.

This devious and deceptive judicial process of making our poor and innocent prison inmates formulate and write their own federal appeal legal cases for possible retrials on their state criminal cases,is still in effect today even though everyone in our US judicial system knows that without proper legal representation, these tens of thousands of innocent prison inmates will be denied their rightful opportunities of ever being granted new trials from our federal appeal judges!!

Sadly, the true US *legal* Federal Appeal situation that occurs when any of our uneducated American prison inmates are forced to attempt to submit their own written Federal Appeals (from our prisons nationwide) without the assistance of proper legal counsel, is that they all are in reality being denied their legitimate rights for Habeas Corpus with our US FEDERAL COURTS and will win any future Supreme Court Case concerning this injustice!

For our judicial system and our US Congressional Leaders Of The Free World to continue to pretend that this is a real and fair opportunity for our American Middle Class and Working Poor Citizens, only delays the very needed future change of Federal Financing of all these Federal appeals becoming a normal formula of Our American judicial system.

It was not so very long ago that Public Defenders became a Reality in this country.Prior that legal reality taking place, their were also some who thought giving anyone charged with a crime a free lawyer was a waste of taxpayers $$.

This FACADE and HORROR of our Federal Appeal proce$$ is not worthy of the Greatest Country In The World! ***GREAT SOCIETIES THAT DO NOT PROTECT EVEN THEIR INNOCENT, BECOME THE GUILTY !

A MUST READ ABOUT AMERICAN INJUSTICE:
1) YAHOO 2) GOOGLE
(MANNY GONZALES THE KID THAT EVERYONE FORGOT IN THE CA PRISON SYSTEM.) ** A JUDICIAL RIDE OF ONES LIFE !

***Someone please tell our US Congress that the GED degree that Manny Gonzales acquired in prison is not a LAW DEGREE!

lawyersforpooramericans@yahoo.com (424-247-2013)

Posted by: DOUGLAS FIELD at November 4, 2008 8:58 PM
Comment #269568

DOUGLAS FIELD,

That much shouting hurts my ears…

Posted by: Marysdude at November 5, 2008 1:50 PM
Comment #269754

“Fear is the mind-killer.”
Posted by: Stephen Daugherty at November 4, 2008 07:24 AM

I’ve read Frank Herbert’s works. I’ve studied Frank Herbert. I’ve read his biography. I’ve read his son Brian’s prequels. Mr. Daugherty, you are no Frank Herbert.

Posted by: ohrealy at November 6, 2008 6:28 PM
Comment #269973

Sicilian,
Not to try and throw a monkey wrench into the machinery of your thinking, but here’s a thought; maybe our hackers outhacked their hackers, like I said about the 2006 election. Think about that. The Democrats outhacked the Republicans in 2006 and 2008. I’m not saying that it is true. It’s only a thought. Don’t like it? Hmmm…what can be done? Oh yeah! Get rid of electronic voting and go back to the tried and TRUE. Like the rule of law. No DISINFRANCHISEMENT. No caging voters. No more election fraud.

Posted by: Stephen Hines at November 8, 2008 3:03 PM
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