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Obama's Message To America

Wow. That was powerful. Tonight America saw Barak Obama, not as the wild-eyed radical terrorist that the McCain campaign tries to paint him as, but as an earnest, likeable young man who wants to do right by this great country of ours.

While McCain tries to tarnish him with PLO associations -- which McCain, himself, shares -- Obama is spelling out in great detail what he'll do as President to make this country shine. And that's the difference between the two campaigns. Obama has ideas and plans; McCain's got nothing but personal attacks and fear-mongering.

Posted by American Pundit at October 30, 2008 12:18 AM
Comments
Comment #268767

It was done with high theatrical quality. But, there was virtually no new content in this video, no new policy agenda information, no new details on where he will lead the nation.

That said, it was his campaign’s money to spend to please the donors and certainly with the hope of garnering even more support. On the former, it succeeded. On the latter point, that remains to be seen.

Posted by: David R. Remer at October 30, 2008 1:17 AM
Comment #268769

The video did what it set out to accomplish- help people realize that Obama is a competent, cool, and collected candidate, with a carefully thought out agenda. The Republican campaign has degenerated into a ugly clusterfest of namecalling- Obama is a terrorist, Obama is a Muslim, Obama is a socialist, Obama is a communist, and on. The video proves otherwise.

What really excites me is the superiority of Obama’s organizational skills and campaign strategy. The strategy was always about fundraising large amounts through the power of small donations from many, many people; and then turning out the vote, especially young voters and minority voters. Now that’s coming down the track like a locomotive under full steam. It’s a thing of beauty.

The pollsters see their numbers all over the place. Based upon “traditional voters” it looks fairly close. Based upon “likely voters” or all “registered voters,” it looks like an enormous landslide. The post-election analysis will concentrate upon what should be obvious. The young, women, minorities, the education community, unions, and other liberal and progressive groups are about to take the country back through overwhelming numbers. The GOP lost an entire generation of voters due to Iraq, and lost the boomers due to the economic collapse, and the elderly due to the destruction of their retirement portfolios as well as the GOP effort to dismantle Social Security throughy privatization.

This is what a competent leader does- lead competently. Obama is inspiring, organizing, and executing. Like I said, it’s a thing of beauty.

Posted by: phx8 at October 30, 2008 1:29 AM
Comment #268770

“The video proves otherwise”…good lord, really? Because I know I believe everything I see on tv. I guess the “Sham Wow” guy would be proud, but it felt like a well produced info-mercial to me. We’ll see but I hope level headed minds will prevail, but it looks like Obama can do no wrong.

Posted by: andy at October 30, 2008 2:32 AM
Comment #268778

It was very well produced, but like Mr. Remer said there was no new material. It reminded me of the McCain videos shown at the Republican convention. On the other hand if Obama runs the country like he ran his campaign, He’ll have a very efficient administration. I just hope he can get people involved in governing like he did in campaigning. (like writing to their congressman) either way he’s set the money bar a lot higher for the next candidate. The best government money can buy.

Posted by: Mike the Cynic at October 30, 2008 8:48 AM
Comment #268780

Change! It will be founded in Dynamism. It will be an expression of the new, a repudiation of the old. It will be forward looking.

On top of that, as Mike perceptively points out, it will be efficient, at least administratively.

Oh, yeah, it will also be calm. It won’t be the same, but it will be even-tempered. Well… At least that’s different, in a steady sort of way.

Posted by: Lee Jamison at October 30, 2008 9:13 AM
Comment #268782

“….if Obama runs the country like he ran his campaign, He’ll have a very efficient administration. I just hope he can get people involved in governing like he did in campaigning.”

Obama asks the voters to rally with him to make changes. McCain, on the other hand, asks voters to select him because “he” knows how to govern. I, for one, have had enough of the great “deciders.” Perhaps Obama would fail in his efforts at getting people involved in governance. But, he at least starts from that premise.

Posted by: Rich at October 30, 2008 9:33 AM
Comment #268788

Rih and AP

Efficient? Let’s take a look at the last four years…in his state…when he was on watch:

Body count in Chicago last six months: 292 killed
Body Count in all Iraq: 221 killed .


Ill. State Pension Fund: $44 Billion in debt, worst in country.

Cook County ( Chicago ) sales tax 10.25% highest in country.

Chicago school system rated one of the worst in the country.

Administration: Democratic…almost every one of ‘em

This is the political culture that Obama comes from in Illinois .

And he’s gonna ‘fix’ Washington politics for us?

Wonderful.

BTW: Today, another relative of Barry was found destitute in South Boston.

Maybe Barry’s slogan should be to America:

“I’ll take care of you the way I take cae of my family”

That probably will be correct though.







Posted by: sicilian eagle at October 30, 2008 10:11 AM
Comment #268790

SE are those in Illinois supplies with body armor or are we comparing apples and oranges?

What control has Obama had over Chicago finances?

What control has Obama had over state retirement funds?

Are we doing another guilt by association persecution SE? IF so you forgot the Capone connection. Although Capone had been dead for many years we shouldn’t let facts get in the way should we?

Posted by: j2t2 at October 30, 2008 10:20 AM
Comment #268791

Egret,

Well at least you got off the birth certificate thing…have you brought all your ‘destitute’ relatives into you roost?

I had no idea Obama was a policeman, but if he was I’ll bet he was a good one…

Posted by: Marysdude at October 30, 2008 10:21 AM
Comment #268793

The Obama’s message to America is that he will take from others and give it to those his govt thinks really deserves it. He has convinced voters and his blind followers that they are entitled to anothers property and that govt should provide everything they need.
The Obama’s message to America is that we need a larger, more controlling and more intrusive govt.
The Obama’s message to America is for more socialism.

Posted by: kctim at October 30, 2008 10:33 AM
Comment #268794

Maybe Barry’s slogan should be to America:

“I’ll take care of you the way I take cae of my family”

Naw Eagle, you know the leftists slogan is:

“I’ll use govt to force others to take care of my family so I don’t have to.”

And I think the Obama is just fine with that.

Posted by: kctim at October 30, 2008 10:36 AM
Comment #268796

The thought of another Repugnant administration for at least another four years is soul destroying. They have managed to develop criminal government to a high art, where crony gangster capitalism has plundered not just the US, but the international economy. For example, what country claiming probity of government could possibly place a CEO of a major investment bank as the Sec Treasury? The massively obvious conflict of interest is stunning, and of course Paulson has bailed out his buddies in GS and Wall Street. See Dr Michael Hudsons interview;

http://www.globalresearch.ca/index.php?context=va&aid=10731

There is no question that Obama is the more highly qualified man by temperament alone. McCrazy is a sad, old, angry man, who by his own admission is ignorant about economic affairs. His gaining the Presidency would be disastrous for the US, and even more so for the US. I have no doubt that Obama has the intelligence and the maturity to be one of your better presidents. If only that mattered. Obama is so closely associated with the old regimes, so tied to the military industrial congressional complex, so tied to the Zionist lobby, where like all the rest, he had to go bow and scrape and beg for their approval. He is closely linked with Brezhinski who is viscerally anti Russian and a long time imperialist, as enunciated in his book, “The Grand Chessboard: American Primacy and its geostrategic imperatives” If you’ve seen Mike Rupperts’s movie, where he quotes from it in a German accent, it sounds perfectly like something you might expect from the good Dr Goebbels. Obama has not enunciated one position that he has not moved away from when he no longer needed the support of those the previous positions were designed to garner. What comes across is someone who has no fixed compass, but is simply an opportunist. Now don’t get me wrong. I’m not totally naive. I know he is a politician, and politicians say whatever it takes to get elected. But I don’t like the company he keeps. Like my late mother used to say, show me your friends and I’ll tell you what you are. One of his economic advisers is Bob Rubin, who having set the template in Russia for empowering the oligarchs, is set now to repeat the recipe in the US. (See Micheal Hudson article linked above.)

I can only say I desperately hope that I am wrong about Obama, but I fear that I am not. That said, bad as he may be, he surely has to be better than that other pair of lunatics.

Posted by: Paul in Euroland at October 30, 2008 10:46 AM
Comment #268799

Eagle

If you pay close attention you will see that we are among the lower tier when it comes to state income taxes. Obama does not determine tax rate for the city of Chicago. I know many people who live in Chicago and they would not have it any other way. The tax rate may be high but most of them find it totally worth the cost. It is a beautiful city which all in all functions well. The politics of this state and the city do indeed leave a bit to be desired. But that is nothing new. Controversy and scandal are the norm. That however does not mean that all politicians are part of that unsavory portion. This state has been operating under a huge deficit for about 10 to 12 years now. It actually started under good old George Ryan a staunch republican who is now doing time for his misdeeds. Like other states we are suffering the result of nafta and George Bush. Your attempts at blaming this on Obama or at least painting an image by association is weak at best. He simply has not been involved in the operations of this state long enough to have any influence on the wrong side of things. He does not have enough tenure to have been accepted into that good old boys insider club.

The efficiency being discussed has to do with how he has handled his campaign. That attribute is obvious and can not be fairly ignored. On the other hand if we look at McCains campaign we see little more than constantly changing reckless movement centered on tearing down the other guy rather than building himself up. Is this how McCain would spend his time in the big house? Constantly tearing down anyone who opposes his views. If so, his time would be nothing more than a mirror image of the last eight years. Just as polarizing and non productive. It is too bad for him, but that is the image that he has presented to the public for the last few months. I certainly don’t like what I see. That also seems to be the view of most others.

Posted by: RickIL at October 30, 2008 10:59 AM
Comment #268801

AP,

Good, timely posting. Obama just continues to impress…I understand he has stated publicly his intention to include Repubs in his cabinet…is there actually a way ahead that will stop us from our slide into third-worldhood?

Posted by: Marysdude at October 30, 2008 11:00 AM
Comment #268803

Obama hit home that he is a regular American who cares about regular Americans. He made this point during his convention as well, but the convention did not have the impact it should have because McCain’s choice of Palin as VP got all the attention for a while. I’m glad he made the point, because it’s the last obstacle for voting for him for many who still feel Obama is somehow foreign or elitist and out of touch.

It was a nice touch that he never mentioned McCain at all and kept the whole thing positive.

Posted by: Max at October 30, 2008 11:04 AM
Comment #268804

DRR said:

“It was done with high theatrical quality. But, there was virtually no new content in this video, no new policy agenda information, no new details on where he will lead the nation.”

Mike the Cynic said:

“It was very well produced, but like Mr. Remer said there was no new material.”

I have to admit, I agree with both of these statements. I found a link on the WSJ, Opinion, that best describes BHO when he is talking and how these listeners hear him. The title is, “Obama and the Politics of Crowds”, The masses greeting the candidate on the trail are a sign of great unease.
By FOUAD AJAMI

http://online.wsj.com/article/SB122533157015082889.html

“On the face of it, there is nothing overwhelmingly stirring about Sen. Obama. There is a cerebral quality to him, and an air of detachment. He has eloquence, but within bounds. After nearly two years on the trail, the audience can pretty much anticipate and recite his lines. The political genius of the man is that he is a blank slate. The devotees can project onto him what they wish.”

I believe everyone who listens to BHO, hears what he wants to hear. To the employed, it is tax relief; to the low-income, it is a handout; to blacks, it’s restatution; to the bluecollar worker, it is justice against big business; to the global warning croud, it is environmental soltions; and the list goes on. The scary thing is, he deals with every problem of America, but he offers no solution. He speaks in generalities, and it’s left to the listener to “imagine a solution” in his own mind. Then these same people will stand and defend; these solutions even though there is NO possibility of bringing them to fruition without throwing the Constitution and Bill of Rights into the trash.. The masses of Democrats, Republicans, and Independents, look at BHO with “Messianic” visions. As a bible believing Christian, I find this very interesting, very scary, and yet very exciting.

Posted by: Oldguy at October 30, 2008 11:12 AM
Comment #268808

Old,

You continue to harp on Obama ‘going to give away to those who don’t deserve it’ or in some way increase the welfare rolls…please cite the times he has mentioned a give-away program, or that people did not have to work to be a part of the American experience…I think you’ll find him talking about creating JOBS, not welfare, and giving a hand to those who have lost homes or work, not to those who don’t want work. Please give me some references so I can see the ‘give aways’ that YOU see.

Posted by: Marysdude at October 30, 2008 11:26 AM
Comment #268819

j2t2

Body armour won’t do it in Chicago, buddy. Imagine that…more people killed in the Windy City than ALL of IRAQ!

Looks like Ayer’s Education program fell on deaf ears. HA!

Maybe the NRA should open up a Chicago Branch! I bet with a little training, those sharpshooters there could break 1000 this year. Ha!

Here’s the point: That system in Chicago is BROKE,and DEMOCRATS run the whole shooting match…why ,there is nary a Republican in site! HA!

So…THAT’S His experience….Palin runs a profitable state…and Barry and his Dem crew have run that state into the rocks.

Is this a preview once “his show” goes national?
HA!

Marysdude

Not off the birth certiicate thing…right now though, it is a “target rich” environment, that’s all.

BTW, one of my little eagle friend said another “revelation” or two is coming tonight or tomorrow aboiut that LA Times thing…a couple bloggers are all over it.

Still, why can’t Barry at least send a gift basket or something to his aunt in Southie?

Maybe a blanket, care package,whatever…. :)

Posted by: sicilian eagle at October 30, 2008 12:14 PM
Comment #268820

dude, you won’t see what you’re asking for, because it isn’t there. There is no substance left any more in the points of argument the opposition is using. I never thought the rhetoric could get any more hateful, but it has, and it’s being fine-tuned.
Old guy is still trying to use hate and fear by highlighting a “different” name. The sic eagle is flapping around spewing lies, which thanks to Rick, have been disputed. kctim has taken Obama’s words and twisted them into his own beliefs.
And Max is right on….that Obama continues to not attack McCain on a personal level. Too bad that McCain hasn’t figured out that the blatant lies his campaign continues to make up and promote, are not working any more. Today, both he and Palin are out, working the crowds with the same untruths. They don’t even have the decency or courtesy to spare us of the sickening old stuff and come up something new.
It’s almost……almost…sad to watch McCain. The “crowd” he was speaking to today, was so unenthusiastic, and their responses seemed to be cued, canned and scripted. He is on his last legs, and if nothing else, this all should show us that he is not only lacking the temperment to lead this nation, but the strength and health as well.
He is now a very pathetic figure of a man, and rekindles my beliefs in karma.
Nice to see you back in here again, Lee…..wish your visits were more frequent.

Posted by: janedoe at October 30, 2008 12:21 PM
Comment #268821

RickIL writes; “He simply has not been involved in the operations of this state long enough to have any influence on the wrong side of things. He does not have enough tenure to have been accepted into that good old boys insider club.

How true, that inexperience and lack of tenure in Illinois and in the Senate just verifies my position that Obama is not yet ready for the job of CIC. I didn’t listen to, or watch his performance last night as I know all I need to about this liberal socialist and “strength thru disarmament” wanna-be from reading his website and campaign oratory.

Most revealing of all about Obama, the man, is his refusal to help even members of his own family from his own pocket while telling Americans’ we must reach into our pockets to send tax refunds to those who don’t even pay taxes.

Obama does not practice what he preaches.

Posted by: Jim M at October 30, 2008 12:27 PM
Comment #268822

sic eagle, could this by any chance be what you’re having reference to?

http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2008/10/28/news-orgs-investigate-pos_n_138449.html

Nope…probably not, since extraordinary efforts have been used to keep this quiet.

Posted by: janedoe at October 30, 2008 12:31 PM
Comment #268823

janedoe

Well…mind as well tell you…check out the world net daily…story is just breaking now….

Was supposed to be tomorrow’s story…

Posted by: sicilianeagle at October 30, 2008 12:38 PM
Comment #268824

Janedoe


Hay…no fair…a car wreck with a fatality is a Kennedy-copywrited thing….

He wrote the book on that one.

Make up another thing please….

Geez….no creativity whatsoever….

Now…selling drugs out of a hot dog cart? THAT’S creative…in a compassionate conservative sort of way…

:)

Posted by: sicilianeagle at October 30, 2008 12:42 PM
Comment #268828

My own beliefs janedoe? The Obama’s message is that if you vote for him, he will tax one class of people more and give it to another class of people through “freebies.”

The only twisting is coming from those who are trying to make it look different than what it really is. But it doesn’t work on everybody does it? And what do you guys do to the ones who aren’t so gullible? You call them hateful, unintelligent and racists.

You guys know he will enlarge govt and that by doing so, govt will be more controlling and intrusive. You just don’t care because he belongs to your party.
You guys know its more socialism, you just don’t have the guts to admit it and that is even more pathetic than the unhealthy crazy little old man you claim McCain to be.

Posted by: kctim at October 30, 2008 12:58 PM
Comment #268832

Obama is not responsible with money. This ad was the same kind of irresponsibility we saw during the convention with the second stadium and that idiotic set.

Not only was it the most boring political ad in history, but it included nothing we haven’t heard from Obama before. People who don’t know the positions of the candidates by now aren’t going to watch this sort of thing.

A half-hour multiple network ad-buy that includes nothing new or inspiring shows a decided lack of judgment. Obama may be slightly ahead in the polls, but the election is still too close to waste money on stuff like this. At this point, ads should be written for specific swing areas. Neither campaign is targeting ads at specific markets that I know of. They release the same ads in all the swing areas. This is also the time to focus on get-out-the-vote efforts.

Obama says he wants to go through the budget and revise it “line by line.” This is a commendable attitude. But he really needs to get his priorities straight before he starts.

Posted by: TheTraveler at October 30, 2008 1:15 PM
Comment #268833

>My own beliefs janedoe? The Obama’s message is that if you vote for him, he will tax one class of people more and give it to another class of people through “freebies.”

Posted by: kctim at October 30, 2008 12:58 PM

kctim,

You have the message half right…he is asking that the ones having the money taken and the ones having the money given be reversed, that’s all. The ‘freebees’ are going to the people who need it least, and the ‘pay-for’ is coming from the people who can afford it least now…what’s wrong with having it the other way around for a while?

Posted by: Marysdude at October 30, 2008 1:18 PM
Comment #268834

PS:

We might call it parity…

Posted by: Marysdude at October 30, 2008 1:19 PM
Comment #268837

kctim, you’re absolutely entitled to your beliefs…but you don’t get to add, subtract, or in any other way alter a statement and qualify it as true.
“We” know what? That you continue trying to scare people with twisted rhetoric about what Obama is saying he will do? Why do you get to “foresee” his comments as lies? At least with McCain, he has a history…one that is easy to track and verify.
But, we do cherish the sanctity of free speech, so carry on with your efforts to vilify Obama.
And sic, you owe me a new keyboard because I spewed coffee all over mine when I checked out your reference. What an absolute joke to think that a rag equal to The National Enquirer, or Tattler, would really have anything legitimate to cite. But, once again….desperate measures….etc.

Posted by: janedoe at October 30, 2008 1:28 PM
Comment #268847

Dude
Both groups are having money taken from them, so nothing is being “reversed.” The freebies are going to those who need it and those paying for it are the rich and the middle.
The Obama is playing off peoples greed for more and their feeling that they are entitled to something that is not theirs.

Janedoe
Foresee his comments as lies? Has he not said he will tax those he deems rich enough, more, so that he can give to those he deems as needing more? That is re-distribution of wealth.
Will govt grow under the Obama? Will his govt controlled healthcare plan intrude on individual lives? How about his tax plan?
Everyone of the Obama’s plans require govt forcefully taking from one person and giving to another.

If I am wrong, show me the facts to prove so. If you can’t, then the only thing scaring people is the truth.

Eagle
“What an absolute joke to think that a rag equal to The National Enquirer, or Tattler, would really have anything legitimate to cite.”

You getting propaganda off moveon.org, the Kos or from Olberman again?

Posted by: kctim at October 30, 2008 2:18 PM
Comment #268855

marysdude wrote; “You have the message half right…he is asking that the ones having the money taken and the ones having the money given be reversed, that’s all. The ‘freebees’ are going to the people who need it least, and the ‘pay-for’ is coming from the people who can afford it least now…what’s wrong with having it the other way around for a while?”

Following your logic of “giving” and “taking” dude, is Obama also advocating that the working class stop working and the non-working class start working? Isn’t that “fair”? When it becomes more advantageous for a person not to work, sit on their ass, have money mailed from Washington, and be given more freebies each year by electing more socialists, how long will the work ethic that built this country last?

When the last “wealthy” person (with the definition of wealth being lowered each year) turns out the light and goes home to await his/her welfare check…who will be funding this grand socialist scheme?

President Bush, and when there was a majority of Republicans in congress, did not attempt to destroy the existing entitlement system. That they attempted to make SS more equitable and failed was at least an attempt to fix the growing problem. That they proposed a reduction in the growth of government and failed, attempted to place more regulation on Mae and Mac, and failed, is an indictment of the liberals of both parties and not the fault of conservatives.

Posted by: Jim M at October 30, 2008 2:44 PM
Comment #268862

Jim M,

Other than you, kctim and Old, who has even mentioned the non-working poor? Not Obama, not me, Stephen, David, janedoe, phx8, or anyone else here that I’ve seen.

Obama mentions that those who have lost their jobs because of this downturn might need a hand, but they are not non-working, they are out of work workers.

He has mentioned that those who have lost their homes because mortgage lenders loaned to those who could not afford to pay, might need a hand to refinance their mortgages instead of being foreclosed on, but I don’t think he means to pay those mortgages, so where is all this heat being generated from…your imaginations, that’s where…

Posted by: Marysdude at October 30, 2008 3:07 PM
Comment #268871

once again coffe spewing
In trying to make the repugs look good, Jim M goes thru yet again revisionist history

That they proposed a reduction in the growth of government and failed, attempted to place more regulation on Mae and Mac, and failed, is an indictment of the liberals of both parties and not the fault of conservatives.

give me a break — the Conservs did no such thing, they were right there larding the barrel along with the rest of them.

And I love the emphasis on Freddie and Fannie, when those two are not really at the heart of the problem — but that is the ONLY thing the Repugs can point to where they tried to regulate SOMETHING (same with McCain, — he keeps harping on Freddie and Fannie and his warning, but againg Fannie and Freddy were as much victims as the problem, and the regulation and the problem fixing were needed elsewhere.

Also re: the lack of details with Obama’s ideas — if he did provide details you would shoot those down anyway, so what’s the point
My main reason for liking his approach is that at least he is acknowledging the problems and pledgeing to DO SOMETHING — the details can be worked out later — When JFK proposed putting a man on the moon, he did not provide any details, just the vision — and we did it!
It is not his job to provide the details, the CEO, if they provide the details gets charged with micro-managing — the CEO and the president set the path, the vision for where the Company or the Country is to go
What is McCain’s vision of the future for this country??? All I hear is fear mongering — I and many like us are tired of the boogey man method of governing, we aspire to a higher plane and purpose — give us something to strive for!
A man’s reach exceeds his grasp
However McCain is so lacking in vision, his grasp is so short he easily exceeds his reach.
(except for his grasp on Economics 101)

Posted by: Russ at October 30, 2008 3:37 PM
Comment #268874

janedoe

Sorry about the coffee. Let me reimind you that the National Enquirer took down another Dem hopeful earlier this year.

This commie guy…Barry’s teacher…is going to come back to haunt him. I heard there is more to follow…

BTW…it always starts on sites like Sweetness&Light, Gateway Pundit, American Thinker,and yes,even my own site. We birds of a feather stick together,you know!

Posted by: sicilianeagle at October 30, 2008 4:07 PM
Comment #268876

>BTW…it always starts on sites like Sweetness&Light, Gateway Pundit, American Thinker,and yes,even my own site. We birds of a feather stick together,you know!
Posted by: sicilianeagle at October 30, 2008 04:07 PM

Yes, Egret, we know…and regret…we really wish you’d exercise some control.

Posted by: Marysdude at October 30, 2008 4:12 PM
Comment #268880

Jim M

How true, that inexperience and lack of tenure in Illinois and in the Senate just verifies my position that Obama is not yet ready for the job of CIC.

Fully what I would have expected from you Jim. That lack of tenure I refer to was meant as a good thing. It is largely that good ‘ol boys insiders club that we have to thank for the state of our nation today. That club exists at the state as well as federal level. It is an exclusive club of which McCain belongs and it needs to be exorcised from the roles of government at all levels.

I am curious just how you know that Obama has refused to help anyone. Can you somehow verify that these people have directly asked for his help in any way. Hell my father had 12 sisters and one brother. I have relatives I have never met or even know exist all over this country and different parts of the world. Don’t you think maybe you are being just a tiny bit impractical in pursuing this avenue of attack Jim? Do you really think that anyone other than the easily influenced hard core republican base is really going to give a damn that Obama is not running a family commune? Seems to me that desperation might be taking its toll on you folks. You are really reaching these days.

Posted by: RickIL at October 30, 2008 4:33 PM
Comment #268882

Marysdude:

Once a poster here said this about the Mighty Eagle:

Truer words were never spoken:


Eagle:
As you magnificently soar on the thermals, your wings taut against the breeze, your feathers shimmering in the sunlight, eyes wide to the wonders of the world…as you look down from the grandiose heights in which you thrive, remember this, my friend:
The left sees not your majesty, nor how eloquently you speak the truth, nor how wisely you engage others with your opinions, for their world is too far beneath you. They see only the black and white spatter you leave on their windshield and thus conclude that is all there is to see. If only they could see the full picture of how you chase down prey, the magnificent violent machine that you are, and the symbol of victory. But alas, they cannot, for as they engage their wipers, smearing the last vestiges of your knowledge on the glass, they are left with nothing but the need for a good cleansing.

:)

Posted by: sicilianeagle at October 30, 2008 4:40 PM
Comment #268885

oldguy

I believe everyone who listens to BHO, hears what he wants to hear

Anyone who listens with an open mind hears what he has to say. He is very clear, very open and comes off as quite genuine in his beliefs. People like what he has to say because they realize that he recognizes a basic need. The need to repair eight years of non productive partisan failure. Not the desire to continue another four years of partisan gridlock. I might suggest that it is you who are having problems hearing what he has to say. Perhaps like Jim, you just are not listening.

Posted by: RickIL at October 30, 2008 4:44 PM
Comment #268890
Eagle: As you magnificently soar on the thermals, your wings taut against the breeze, your feathers shimmering in the sunlight, eyes wide to the wonders of the world…as you look down from the grandiose heights in which you thrive, remember this, my friend: The left sees not your majesty, nor how eloquently you speak the truth, nor how wisely you engage others with your opinions, for their world is too far beneath you. They see only the black and white spatter you leave on their windshield and thus conclude that is all there is to see. If only they could see the full picture of how you chase down prey, the magnificent violent machine that you are, and the symbol of victory. But alas, they cannot, for as they engage their wipers, smearing the last vestiges of your knowledge on the glass, they are left with nothing but the need for a good cleansing.

Good to see that humility is alive and flourishing !

Posted by: janedoe at October 30, 2008 5:13 PM
Comment #268892

Marysdude

“You continue to harp on Obama ‘going to give away to those who don’t deserve it’ or in some way increase the welfare rolls…please cite the times he has mentioned a give-away program, or that people did not have to work to be a part of the American experience…I think you’ll find him talking about creating JOBS, not welfare, and giving a hand to those who have lost homes or work, not to those who don’t want work. Please give me some references so I can see the ‘give aways’ that YOU see.”

This is a ridiculous question. What part of “Share the Wealth” don’t you understand? Every time BHO opens his mouth he is taking money from one group to give to another. If you are going to defend liberal democratic views, you need to study their platform. As for jobs, the only jobs BHO will produce are those funded by the government, such as bridges and highways.

RickIL

“I might suggest that it is you who are having problems hearing what he has to say. Perhaps like Jim, you just are not listening.”

I know exactly what he is saying and it is nothing good for our country. Did any of you read the link I posted? It is very interesting and here it is again:

http://online.wsj.com/article/SB122533157015082889.html

The point FOUAD AJAMI makes is the large crouds following BHO are people in dispare looking for and hoping that BHO is the redeemer. As he states, this is the traits of third world nations, always looking to “The One” as someone who can make their lives better, but the day after the election and when nothing changes, they begin to again look to the next election for another redeemer. Thids sounds like you guys on the left. You looked to Gore, then you looked to Kerry, and now you look to BHO. What if he looses, does that mean you have spent 12 years of your life looking for a messiah?

On another point, I read an article that said BHO paid bloggers are infiltrating all blog sites to quell anything said against BHO. They usually do this by repeating the same talking points. Are any of you guys on the left secretly working for the BHO campaign?

janedoe said:

“Old guy is still trying to use hate and fear by highlighting a “different” name. The sic eagle is flapping around spewing lies, which thanks to Rick, have been disputed. kctim has taken Obama’s words and twisted them into his own beliefs.”

I thank you for identifying me with other great Americans who stand for truth and justice.

Posted by: Oldguy at October 30, 2008 5:33 PM
Comment #268899

oldguy

The point FOUAD AJAMI makes is the large crouds following BHO are people in dispare looking for and hoping that BHO is the redeemer.

No oldguy, no reedemer, no messiah, just a person who has a genuine desire to do what is right for this country. A person who recognizes and admits what is wrong. The type of person that has not been present at the upper levels of government for at least eight years now. Why should we accept the paralyzing nature of the status quo? Doesn’t it make sense to attempt a move beyond failure when we have that choice. Are you telling us that it would be best if we just give up and relent to more of the same? More defeatist, fear based republican policy? It hasn’t worked for eight years now. Why should we believe it will work under McCain?

And duh!, of course those huge crowds are showing up because they want something better. They sure as hell aren’t showing up because they aspire to more of the same failed policies. No one in their right mind is expecting magic or instant recovery. GW and Co. are leaving this nation in the worst mess of my lifetime. Of course it will take time to work out of it. We need a bright intelligent leader with the desire and insight to pursue avenues beyond the status quo. McCain is not that man. He is old school, antiquated and out of touch with reality. Not to mention not particularly level headed, even tempered or quick on his feet. And of course his VP choice is the kicker. The woman is tremendously unqualified to be where she is. She is at best a hail Mary pass for the GOP.

Posted by: RickIL at October 30, 2008 6:43 PM
Comment #268900

RickIL writes of me; “I am curious just how you know that Obama has refused to help anyone. Can you somehow verify that these people have directly asked for his help in any way.

Well RickIL, the two relatives I have read about in the major press are his brother and aunt. I would call those very close as relatives. It may be strange to Obama, but I stay in touch with my family and care about their well-being.

Unlike Obama, I wouldn’t have to be asked before I helped my relatives if I had the resources to do so. That Obama either doesn’t know their plight, or chooses to ignore their plight is evidence enough for me that he cares little about anyone but himself. All his grandiose talk about caring and sharing is just bullshit. He talks a good line but I take as evidence what a person does…not what a person says…especially if they are a politician. How about you?

It is the typical socialist position to be a “taker” and not a “giver”. Obama qualifies in this regard.

Posted by: Jim M at October 30, 2008 6:51 PM
Comment #268902

RickIL wrote; “No one in their right mind is expecting magic or instant recovery.”

Finally we agree on something RickIL. Unfortunately you have pointed out that many of the Obama supporters are in their “left minds”…as in socialists minds…as in “what’s the government going to do for me”, as in where’s my government handout check…as in “please take care of me”…as in just because my neighbor works hard, paid attention in school, didn’t marry before he could afford a family, didn’t buy a house he couldn’t afford, paid his/her dues, why should he/she have more than me…as in….and on and on! You’re absolutely correct, these poor unfortunate souls are in their left minds.

Posted by: Jim M at October 30, 2008 7:01 PM
Comment #268905
I thank you for identifying me with other great Americans who stand for truth and justice.

Posted by: Oldguy at October 30, 2008 05:33 PM

Thanks for the joke !! Huh??? ,,,,uh,,,oh, you weren’t joking???? Uhhh…sorry.

Posted by: janedoe at October 30, 2008 7:22 PM
Comment #268906

jane doe

The one poster that I miss is that little filly Adrienne. That one was a hand full. She is(was) well versed in all things political (on the left that is), and was (is) Stephen’s biggest cheerleader(sometimes I love that guy,misplaced soul that he is). Old AP and I have danced around too, although my efforts to draw him out today failed.

Oh well. There’s alsways tomorrow. Maybe Adrienne will show up!

Posted by: sicilian eagle at October 30, 2008 7:23 PM
Comment #268908
Oh well. There’s alsways tomorrow. Maybe Adrienne will show up!


Posted by: sicilian eagle at October 30,2008

Just shows how much attention you pay…. ;)

Posted by: janedoe at October 30, 2008 7:26 PM
Comment #268909

The framers of the Constitution expected a limited federal government. They viewed the Constitution as a contract between citizens and government, designed to restrain the fed from undue intrusion into our bedrooms and our wallets. For example, the father of the Constitution, James Madison, vehemently objected to a 1792 congressional appropriation of $15,000 to assist some French refugees. Madison wrote, I cannot undertake to lay my finger on that article of the Constitution which granted a right to Congress of expending, on objects of benevolence, the money of their constituents.”

What a powerful statement by James Madison making it absolutely clear what he, and the signers of our founding documents thought of “expending, on objects of benevolence, the money of their constituents.”

Socialists beware…there are those who take Madison’s words, and the constitution, very seriously and will do every legal thing in our power to prevent your God-awful agenda from ever happening. It is a patriotic act to uphold and defend the Constitution of the United States.

Full story; http://townhall.com/columnists/LarryElder/2008/10/30/senator_government?page=1

Posted by: Jim M at October 30, 2008 7:40 PM
Comment #268910

“Some elections are routine, some are important and some are historic. If Senator John McCain wins this election, it will probably go down in history as routine. But if Senator Barack Obama wins, it is more likely to be historic— and catastrophic.

Once the election is over, the glittering generalities of rhetoric and style will mean nothing. Everything will depend on performance in facing huge challenges, domestic and foreign.

Performance is where Barack Obama has nothing to show for his political career, either in Illinois or in Washington.

Policies that he proposes under the banner of “change” are almost all policies that have been tried repeatedly in other countries— and failed repeatedly in other countries.

Politicians telling businesses how to operate? That’s been tried in countries around the world, especially during the second half of the 20th century. It has failed so often and so badly that even socialist and communist governments were freeing up their markets by the end of the century.

The economies of China and India began their take-off into high rates of growth when they got rid of precisely the kinds of policies that Obama is advocating for the United States under the magic mantra of “change.”

Putting restrictions on international trade in order to save jobs at home? That was tried here with the Hawley-Smoot tariff during the Great Depression.

Unemployment was 9 percent when that tariff was passed to save jobs, but unemployment went up instead of down, and reached 25 percent before the decade was over.

Higher taxes to “spread the wealth around,” as Obama puts it? The idea of redistributing wealth has turned into the reality of redistributing poverty, in countries where wealth has fled and the production of new wealth has been stifled by a lack of incentives.”

Full story; http://townhall.com/columnists/ThomasSowell/2008/10/30/a_perfect_storm

Posted by: Jim M at October 30, 2008 7:49 PM
Comment #268912

“Terry Fitzgerald, a senior economist at the Federal Reserve Bank of Minneapolis writes, “the economic compensation for work for middle Americans has risen significantly over the past 30 years.”

“The same pattern holds for households. The figures that suggest families are struggling to stay even overlook some types of income, and they don’t account for the fact that households have gotten smaller on average. After accounting for such things, Fitzgerald found that “inflation-adjusted median household income for most household types increased by roughly 44 percent to 62 percent from 1976 to 2006.”

“Thanks to American capitalism, ordinary workers and families are better off today than they were a decade or a generation ago. In the midst of scary economic times, that’s a heartening fact to keep in mind. Even if certain Democrats would rather you didn’t.”

Full story; http://townhall.com/columnists/SteveChapman/2008/10/30/obamas_economic_mythology?page=1

Posted by: Jim M at October 30, 2008 8:02 PM
Comment #268917

Jim M

It is the typical socialist position to be a “taker” and not a “giver”. Obama qualifies in this regard.

I am sorry Jim but you are basing your assumptions on unknown factors. It is not fair to make insinuations when not knowing fact from fiction. This obviously is Obamas personal business and you are gladly siding with a scenario which has been deliberately created to make less than credible insinuations. I would prefer to know fact and hear all sides of a story before jumping to conclusion. But then your man doesn’t have time for that does he. Desperation seems to bring out all sorts of half truths and exaggerations.

Posted by: RickIL at October 30, 2008 8:29 PM
Comment #268918

RickIL

“No oldguy, no reedemer, no messiah, just a person who has a genuine desire to do what is right for this country. A person who recognizes and admits what is wrong.”

It’s easy to quarterback on Monday. It’s easy to list all the things that are wrong, but the question is can BHO fix the problems? First of all, the basis of the problems is wrong. We are at war, with an enemy that wants to see our destruction, by the decision of the president and a majority of congress. The economic problems can be blamed on democrats as much or more than republicans. And lastly, BHO’s only plan is to expand government, kill business, raise taxes, and make us European.

A messiah is exactly what the left is looking for; in fact that is what Farrakhan called BHO. Listen again to the words of FOUAD AJAMI. It perfectly describes the followers of BHO:

“My boyhood, and the Arab political culture I have been chronicling for well over three decades, are anchored in the Arab world. And the tragedy of Arab political culture has been the unending expectation of the crowd — the street, we call it — in the redeemer who will put an end to the decline, who will restore faded splendor and greatness. When I came into my own, in the late 1950s and ’60s, those hopes were invested in the Egyptian Gamal Abdul Nasser. He faltered, and broke the hearts of generations of Arabs. But the faith in the Awaited One lives on, and it would forever circle the Arab world looking for the next redeemer.

America is a different land, for me exceptional in all the ways that matter. In recent days, those vast Obama crowds, though, have recalled for me the politics of charisma that wrecked Arab and Muslim societies. A leader does not have to say much, or be much. The crowd is left to its most powerful possession — its imagination.
From Elias Canetti again: “But the crowd, as such, disintegrates. It has a presentiment of this and fears it… . Only the growth of the crowd prevents those who belong to it from creeping back under their private burdens.”

The morning after the election, the disappointment will begin to settle upon the Obama crowd. Defeat — by now unthinkable to the devotees — will bring heartbreak. Victory will steadily deliver the sobering verdict that our troubles won’t be solved by a leader’s magic.”

Mr. Ajami is professor of Middle Eastern Studies at the School of Advanced International Studies, Johns Hopkins University, and an adjunct research fellow at Stanford University’s Hoover Institution.

Posted by: Oldguy at October 30, 2008 8:32 PM
Comment #268919

i am from IL and have 2 kids in public schools. Here is my problem with Obama: IL is one of the WORST states for public schools, he has been the senator here for long time & does nothing to “change” anything, is against school vouchers yet sends his kids to a swanky private school. Wake up people, he paints a beautiful picture but he is not going to help the little guy. Democrats are already in power in great force, so don’t blame Bush for all and say Obama will save you. That is a fairy tale.

Posted by: melissa at October 30, 2008 8:43 PM
Comment #268922

oldguy

The morning after the election, the disappointment will begin to settle upon the Obama crowd. Defeat — by now unthinkable to the devotees — will bring heartbreak. Victory will steadily deliver the sobering verdict that our troubles won’t be solved by a leader’s magic.”

I read the article before my last reply to you. I really don’t care who this guy is. He is reciting opinion and comparing it to events while growing up in his Arab world. I am sure we could find similar throngs of people organizing throughout the world and throughout history. Fact is each situation is unique and and subject to factors of that time and place.

People are indeed hungry for change. They are sick of being used by people who pay only lip service and once elected turn the other way. They are seeing and feeling the results of eight years of irresponsible governance and failed policy. They are desperate for improvement. That improvement will not happen with advocates of the status quo. It will not happen via magic. It will at least have a chance with a true leader. Not a magic leader, but a person who aspires to leadership, not a ruler. We have just experienced eight years of the ruling class running this country into the ground. Who in their right mind wants more of that?

Posted by: RickIL at October 30, 2008 9:02 PM
Comment #268934

melissa:

You are correct. There were several posts a few days ago about “elitism” and what BHO says, you are to do and what he does, is the height of elitism. He couldn’t fix anything in IL and he won’t be able to fix anything in the country. His goal is the goal of all elitist, to keep everyone dependant upon government.

RickIL:

Haven’t you ever heard the quote, “There is nothing new under the sun”.

This writer may have been talking about another time and place, but he has a good grasp of the worship the left gives BHO. It doesn’t take a rocket scientist to understand the attraction of the left to BHO.

What are you going to do if he looses? Wait for the next redeemer?

Posted by: Oldguy at October 30, 2008 10:25 PM
Comment #268940

oldguy, just what do you plan on doing if by some miraculous fluke…….things work out better for you under an Obama administration??????
I’ll bet a dollar to a hole in a donut, that your postings disappear.

Posted by: janedoe at October 30, 2008 11:29 PM
Comment #268949

Should Obama lose I will be sad for this country with the understanding that we will be guaranteed four more years of regression at the hands of a man who has no more business running a country than our current president. I personally will be comfortable regardless of who wins. The only positive I can come up with really is a negative. That would be that our current republican leadership has already taken us over half way to the bottom of the barrel. Whats another four years of downward slide. At least the wealthy will continue to do well.

In all honesty I don’t see a McCain win happening. McCain is a long shot at best. I am expecting a landslide victory for Obama. The odds are heavily in his favor at this late stage. It just doesn’t look good for McCain at all. I think I should tell you that I started off this campaign season with a bit of respect for McCain knowing that the reason he should not be elected is the knowledge that another four years of republican policy would be devastating to this country. I think that all in all he probably is a good man. The last few months however have shown that he is not top leadership material. His rather dis respectable method of campaigning has removed what ever respect I may have had for him previous to this campaign. His biggest obstacle to winning is simply the republican party. The party squandered the American trust. They literally in their arrogance and foolishness lost it. That is thee number one problem for McCain.

I find this whole idea of a messiah like redeemer label that you easily led folks on the right prefer to stick to Obama a bit shallow, childish and narrow minded. It really gets you no where in the long run. It serves little more than substantiating the idea that the right is more concerned with selfish cause than the needs of this country. it does not infuriate me. It is what I have grown to expect from the right. Actually we should be thanking you folks. That childish sarcasm has played a large role in turning what should have been many McCain supporters into Obama supporters.

Tell me oldguy, how will you retaliate when Obama wins by a landslide victory? Will you accept that mandate or will you join in that good christian conservative demeanor of spewing forth false innuendo and ideological hatreds? Will you fight progress or will join in building revisions that will allow this country to grow and prosper in a global society?

Posted by: RickIL at October 31, 2008 8:37 AM
Comment #268950

janedoe

I was a union worker for 4 decades, and the union always told me who to vote for and that if the democrats were elected, life would great. I don’t know how old you are or how long you have been involved in the political scene, but I can tell you, democrats “talk the talk, but don’t walk the walk”. I voted for democrats until Carter was elected and he was the last democrat I ever voted for as president. The man was a fool and if you think things are bad now, you should have seen what Carter and a democratic controlled congress did to America.

I made a decision many years ago, that some things were more important than my wallet. Meaning, there are more important issues than money. The issue of abortion, 2nd amendment rights, and free speech are important issues to me. These are things that BHO and the Democratic Party, as a whole, do not regard.

“oldguy, just what do you plan on doing if by some miraculous fluke…….things work out better for you under an Obama administration??????
I’ll bet a dollar to a hole in a donut, that your postings disappear.”

If BHO wins with a veto proof majority in congress, things will “never work out better”. It will take decades to reverse the damage that could be done, if ever at all.

Madeline Albright said, “It’s not fair that America be the only world superpower”. Barney Franks said the military should be cut by 25%. BHO said he supported a strong military, but in a speech to an anti-military group, he said he would cut the military, do away with a missile defense system, and lead by example to do away with nuclear weapons. It may not bother you, but he is talking about doing away with the means by which we protect ourselves from enemies and we will always have enemies. The left lives in this “Bubble”, “can’t we just all get along”. The Muslin terrorists hate us as much as they hate Irsael. They want our destruction, they hate our freedoms, we are infidels to them and the left can talk to them until they are blue in the face, but this will never change. Teddy Roosevelt said, “Walk softly, but carry a big stick”. The only thing some people understand is a big stick, and the guy with the biggest stick, wins.

This is only the change in our military. Those in the military will resign and come home because they know the democrats are pacifist and have no concept of conducting a war. Then the calls that have been coming from Charlie Rangel and other democrats to restore the draft will come true. You, who hate the military, how do feel about the democrat’s reinstitution the draft?

Then we have the increases in taxes, which will lower our incomes, and destroy business. When he says he will only raise taxes on the rich, he lies. Democrats have always been an equal rights party when it comes to taxes. They have never seen a tax they didn’t like.

The democrtas will comtinue their goal of making America dependent upon government.

He will destroy the Supreme Court by appointing rogue judges who will write law instead of interpreting. The dems in congress will ram these judges through.

He will place us under European control, we will answer to a world court, and basically we will loose our sovereignty as a nation.

You guys on the left screamed and cried about “vetting” Sarah Palin, and yet you and the press have all but shut down any investigation into the life of BHO. If anyone asks any questions about him, he is branded a racist. Doesn’t his associations cause any questions in your mind? Or has your “hatred” of President Bush and the Republican Party, totally blinded your ability to reason?

No I will continue to post because I want to be around to tell you, “I told you so”.


Posted by: Oldguy at October 31, 2008 8:39 AM
Comment #268951

janedoe

oldguy, just what do you plan on doing if by some miraculous fluke…….things work out better for you under an Obama administration??????

My guess is that he and a few million others will turn to Faux News, Limbaugh, Hannity, Oriehly and Coulter for political solace and new direction.

Posted by: RickIL at October 31, 2008 8:47 AM
Comment #268952

RickIL

Actually, Farrakhan is the one who identified BHO as the “Messiah”. The left has accepted this position because they believe he can cure all the evils of the world.

“Tell me oldguy, how will you retaliate when Obama wins by a landslide victory? Will you accept that mandate or will you join in that good christian conservative demeanor of spewing forth false innuendo and ideological hatreds? Will you fight progress or will join in building revisions that will allow this country to grow and prosper in a global society?”

I will not retaliate if BHO wins. I, like you, will be sad for our country. I will not support anything that diminishes our Constitutional rights. See, it’s words like “global society” that scares me and all those who believe in American sovereignty. One man’s progress is another man’s slavery.

Posted by: Oldguy at October 31, 2008 8:55 AM
Comment #268958

oldguy

The left has accepted this position because they believe he can cure all the evils of the world.

A classic example of right wing brain washing. You really should turn off Fox and Limbaugh for a day or two and take a look around. You might find that theirs is not the only opinion in town.

A global society is what we now have. That is a fact and can not be ignored. The capitalists of this country and the rest of the world have worked at building it. You have them to thank for that. Having the ability to survive, lead and grow in the new global society is exactly why we need new more insightful progressive direction.

Posted by: RickIL at October 31, 2008 9:30 AM
Comment #268987

>Actually, Farrakhan is the one who identified BHO as the “Messiah”.
Posted by: Oldguy at October 31, 2008 08:55 AM

Old,

How about a link on this…I don’t believe it. I think it was a right wingnut who coined it first. Farrakhan is Muslim, he does not believe in more of a Messiah than Muhammad, and Muslims don’t refer to him as Messiah…why would he even bring up the subject in regard to anything or anyone, let alone Obama? Just please provide a reference.

Posted by: Marysdude at October 31, 2008 3:24 PM
Comment #268989

RickIl, I just find it ludicrous to think that these posters spewing this ugly, and sometimes demented perception of Obama, would refuse to acknowledge a better position they just may find themselves in because he is a …..gasp…….Democrat.
If anyone on here posting or reading, has flourished under the last administration, I guess I’d have to say “good for you”, but the circles I run in, certainly have not.
It has to be that incessant need to control and direct and dominate that seems such a large factor in the neo-conservatives et-al.
Oldguy, you need to go back into some of your earlier posts and just take a look at how much more acidic and hateful the progression has been. They have become caustic and degrading in regards to a person that you don’t know…..hasn’t had a chance to prove himself. It’s too bad that your mind is too closed to contemplate anything else.

Posted by: janedoe at October 31, 2008 3:56 PM
Comment #268990

Marysdude:

“How about a link on this…I don’t believe it. I think it was a right wingnut who coined it first. Farrakhan is Muslim, he does not believe in more of a Messiah than Muhammad, and Muslims don’t refer to him as Messiah…why would he even bring up the subject in regard to anything or anyone, let alone Obama? Just please provide a reference.”

It’s hard to be humble, when you’re always right. Here’s the link big guy. Of course, I expect an apology for being called a liar:)

http://www.newsbusters.org/blogs/p-j-gladnick/2008/10/09/will-msm-report-louis-farrakhan-declaration-obama-messiah

Here is part of the quote, “You are the instruments that God is gonna use to bring about universal change, and that is why Barack has captured the youth. And he has involved young people in a political process that they didn’t care anything about. That’s a sign. When the Messiah speaks, the youth will hear, and the Messiah is absolutely speaking.”

I hope I was able to give you some information that might lead you down the correct path. Consider this as “Muslim 101”.

Posted by: Oldguy at October 31, 2008 4:03 PM
Comment #268991

Here dude……..this should answer what you asked of Oldguy…..

http://search.atomz.com/search/?sp-q=Obama+is+the+Messiah&sp-a=00062d45-sp00000000&sp-advanced=1&sp-p=all&sp-w-control=1&sp-w=alike&sp-date-range=-1&sp-x=any&sp-c=100&sp-m=1&sp-s=0

You have to read the quote in the header….as it appears nowhere in the body of the article. It’s still enough to show what some are willing to believe if it bolsters their own points of view……

Posted by: janedoe at October 31, 2008 4:12 PM
Comment #269000

janedoe:

You might want to look at my link on BHO the messiah.

“Oldguy, you need to go back into some of your earlier posts and just take a look at how much more acidic and hateful the progression has been. They have become caustic and degrading in regards to a person that you don’t know…..hasn’t had a chance to prove himself.”

I don’t believe I have changed any. I didn’t like BHO before and I don’t like him now. Not because he’s black, before someone calls me a racist, but because he’s a socialist.

Posted by: Oldguy at October 31, 2008 5:26 PM
Comment #269002

I looked at your referral and was not impressed, either negatively or positively. Because that was the opinion of one individual, it won’t cause me to lose sleep, hair, or my sense of direction or humor. You, on the other hand, appear to have been greatly affected by it………sorry!
My link has an earlier date, by several months……perhaps Farrakhan was parroting Molen.

Posted by: janedoe at October 31, 2008 5:42 PM
Comment #269027

janedoe,

I thank you for helping to straighten this out…but, I’m still questioning the Farrakhan’s rant. I don’t believe he was calling Obama ‘Messiah’, I think he was referencing the Messiah as speaking through Obama…

Wiki says…n Islam, Jesus (Isa) is also called the Messiah (Masih)[4], but like in Judaism he is not considered to be the Son of God in a literal sense.

Oldguy can use this as a Repug talking point if he wishes, but he has to stretch the truth to get the meaning he wants…oh, well…

Posted by: Marysdude at October 31, 2008 9:12 PM
Comment #269031

On Chicago geography, Louis Farrakhan lived on the next street east, 2 blocks north, Muhammed Ali lived a block closer on the same street. The headquarters of Jesse Jackson’s Operation Push is one block north and 2 blocks west.

On crime in Chicago, one story dominated the news coverage for most of the last week, but I found a different story on Tuesday in the Redeye that I thought was interesting:

“A 26 year old man was held without bail Monday after he was accused of killing a man he suspected of taking his cigar. Larry Austin appeared in Coook County Violence Court charged with the murder of Ranus Hall, 35 on Saturday. Prosecutors alleged Austin dropped his cigar outside a social club on the West Side, and he asked who took it. Austin is alleged to have shot Hall as he walked away.”

Posted by: ohrealy at October 31, 2008 9:41 PM
Comment #269032

That geography is in relation to BHO’s house on Greenwood at HP blvd (51st St), Ali and Farrakhan lived on Woodlawn. Push is on 50th st.

Posted by: ohrealy at October 31, 2008 9:44 PM
Comment #269035

dude, I watched the clip oldguy provided, too…and couldn’t quite connect the messiah comment to Obama either. However, you’re right in that if you’re looking for something desperately to tie on someone..any little clip’ll do. I mean, both names were mentioned. ;)

Posted by: janedoe at October 31, 2008 10:35 PM
Comment #269038

janedoe:

Here is Farrakhan’s quote again:

“You are the instruments that God is gonna use to bring about universal change, and that is why Barack has captured the youth. And he has involved young people in a political process that they didn’t care anything about. That’s a sign. When the Messiah speaks, the youth will hear, and the Messiah is absolutely speaking.”

You couldn’t quite connect the messiah comment to BHO? Let’s look at it again:

“and that is why Barack has captured the youth. And he has involved young people in a political process that they didn’t care anything about.”

Barack has captured the youth, Barack has involved the youth.

“That’s a sign. When the Messiah speaks, the youth will hear,” and “the Messiah is absolutely speaking.”

The subject is BHO speaking to the youth and then Farrakhan says the meassiah (BHO) speaks , the youth will listen.

Don’t seem that hard to me.

Of course, when you’re looking to cover for a liar..any little excuse will do.

Is there anyone else out there that don’t understand Farrakhan’s words?

Posted by: Oldguy at October 31, 2008 11:25 PM
Comment #269042
Body count in Chicago last six months: 292 killed Body Count in all Iraq: 221 killed .

Oh, please, sic eagle. you’re talking about Americans killed. You want to include Iraqis, as well. What you’re doing is like only counting the Iraqi body count in Chicago.

And lastly, BHO’s only plan is to expand government, kill business, raise taxes, and make us European.

Hmm… A six week vacation every year, strong currency, free health care (that’s better than ours). Being more like Europe doesn’t sound so bad to me. :)

Posted by: American Pundit at November 1, 2008 12:44 AM
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Oldguy… if you choose to not believe, by all means, don’t. Your interpretations don’t become ours, regardless of the effort you apply in trying to make it so. You believe what you want, but it should be getting obvious that many of us are quite fed up with the hate-mongering from all of you who wish to perpetuate the failure(s) of the neocon society.

Posted by: janedoe at November 1, 2008 1:00 AM
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AP:

“Hmm… A six week vacation every year, strong currency, free health care (that’s better than ours). Being more like Europe doesn’t sound so bad to me. :)”

I wonder how long it would take Europe to beg us to come over again and save their BUTTS, if invaded by an enemy. It’s easy to live “High on the Hog” wen you depend on someone else to pay for the military to protect your rights.

Posted by: Oldguy at November 1, 2008 3:02 PM
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>I wonder how long it would take Europe to beg us to come over again and save their BUTTS, if invaded by an enemy. It’s easy to live “High on the Hog” wen you depend on someone else to pay for the military to protect your rights.
Posted by: Oldguy at November 1, 2008 03:02 PM

Old,

That problem has been solved by Cheney/Bush…our country can no longer afford to help itself, let alone any other country…and, will likely have to ask for others’ help if we don’t get out of Iraq pretty soon, and get our financial house in order. Your boy mccain ain’t got it in him to do any of that…he’s half a man, being followed around by a lipsticked pitbull.

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