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McCain suspending his campaign

John McCain announced today that he was suspending his campaign. YIPEEE!!!! It’s over, Barack Obama wins by default …

Just kidding, he did call on Barack Obama to suspend campaigning for the rest of the week to focus on the economy. Well, kind of - at least he is trying to take credit for it. Obama called the McCain campaign to ask about issuing a joint statement to suspend campaign operations to go back to Washington to take part in hammering out a bailout deal.

This was at about 8am in the morning. According to the Obama campaign the McCain folks called back at 2pm to agree to the joint statement. In true GOP campaign form, he then issued public that he is going to do what's right for America and suspend the campaign to deal with this financial crisis.

This was pretty disingenuous of McCain to first agree to the joint statement then try to puff himself up by posing as the only candidate who cares about the country. He is also trying to weasel out of the first debate Friday but Obama isn't having it. Obama said "Presidents are going to have to deal with more than one thing at once. What I'm planning to do now is debate on Friday. " I agree with Obama, while they should participate in hammering out this deal especially since so much of the election is riding on the economy, there isn't much time left before we have to select the next most powerful person in the world. We need this debate, we need every debate from here on out so the American people can make their decision based on more than the misleading campaign ads coming from both sides but most offensively from the McCain campaign. Let the two men argue it out for the rest of us to see. I think McCain is afraid if he suffers another setback that his campaign is toast and that getting whupped in a debate would be the final straw after a really bad week or so that has seen him slipping in the polls. This has been a crass political calculation on McCain's part not an act of self-sacrificial patriotism as he is claiming. I suspect that his reasons have more to do with the fact that this debate is supposed to be on foreign policy, his perceived strength (though I disagree), and it will likely become at least in part a debate on the economy a disastrous issue for him.

The McCain campaign seems to be really going off the tracks. The VP choice that was heralded as the ultimate move for "The Maverick" now looks like a huge miscalculation. He has lost the support from some top Republican voices. They view her as not only inexperienced but generally unfit to lead the country, including Laura Bush. In addition, George Will said recently, "It is arguable that McCain, because of his boiling moralism and bottomless reservoir of certitudes, is not suited to the presidency. Unreadiness can be corrected, although perhaps at great cost, by experience. Can a dismaying temperament be fixed?"

Speaking of temperament . . .
Does John McCain have the temperament to be our next president? A recent story by David Lightman and Matt Stearns of McClatchy Newspapers sheds some light on the man whose finger may be on the button for four years. According to this article, McCain shoved Jane Duke Gaylor, a wheelchair bound mother of a missing Vietnam serviceman and:

"McCain stopped, glared at her, raised his left arm ready to strike her, composed himself and pushed the wheelchair away from him," according to Eleanor Apodaca , the sister of an Air Force captain missing since 1967.

What kind of way is that to deal with the mother of a missing US serviceman no matter what she says to you?

John McCain is famous for his quick, violent temper. He was called "McNasty"and "Punk" when he was in school. He screamed "f*** you" at Republican Senator John Cornyn in front of a large group of people. The profanity laced tirade he unleashed on his wife has gotten a lot of attention lately. These don't seem to be isolated incidents. Should his temper be a campaign issue?

We have had hot-headed presidents before but the one thing that seems different from him and say Bill Clinton, who was famous for his temper, is McCain's inability to control it in public and his inability to get over it. This could be something that may cause him to make a rash decision that we would all regret later. While I don't really worry about him dropping nukes on Russia, I do worry about how he will deal with Vladimir Putin or Ahmadinejad in a face-to-face meeting. He could really prove to be a national embarrassment.

I wonder if Obama is going to make his temperament an issue in the upcoming debates, that is, if we have any debates. McCain getting red-faced on national TV would not help his sagging poll numbers. So maybe McCain would be better off if he just went to Dick Cheney's undisclosed location and hid out for the next 40 days.

On a ironic note, my spell checker tries to change the word Ahmadinejad to "shadiness" . . .

Posted by T.C. Sned at September 24, 2008 7:51 PM
Comments
Comment #264338

tcsned,

I have to point out the major flaw here…

Obama called the McCain campaign to ask about issuing a joint statement to suspend campaign operations to go back to Washington to take part in hammering out a bailout deal. This was at about 8am in the morning.

No, Obama called McCain to discuss issuing a joint statement about the economy. Obama stated in his press conference that during that conversation McCain brought up the idea of suspending campaigns and Obama didn’t agree with that. Obama said that he didn’t think McCain had been that serious about doing so.

As I understand it, both staffs were still working on the wording of that statement yesterday afternon.

Your entire article is based on a false premise.

raised his left arm ready to strike her

Interesting… He can raise his left arm to strike someone? I had thought he couldn’t…

Posted by: Rhinehold at September 25, 2008 9:24 AM
Comment #264341

Rhinehold-
He’s not utterly incapable of raising an arm, just can’t raise it above shoulder level.

But he did blindside Obama. Rather than just releasing some bipartisan statement, and having both of them come out together on something in this crisis, McCain decided he had to jump on the bandwagon with an electric guitar blaring.

Look at me! I’m a Maverick! You don’t know what I’ll do next!

Posted by: Stephen Daugherty at September 25, 2008 10:03 AM
Comment #264345

Rhinehold -
I was wrong only on the issue of Obama calling to suspend his campaign. He did not and I issue a correction to that portion of the statement. Obama did call to issue a joint statement on the bailout plan where they had significant common ground but “The Maverick” decided, once again, to make it all about himself and to once again issue a false “I’m more interested in saving the country than winning an election” line. He has shown over and over again that he is more interested in winning this election more than helping the country, being honest, and having honor.

Also, you don’t have to raise your arm very high to hit a woman in a wheel chair. Reminds me of Ty Cobb beating up a one armed man who was heckling him and responding - “I would have whipped him if he had no arms.” What a totally classless individual.

Posted by: tcsned at September 25, 2008 10:26 AM
Comment #264346

tcsned

All the issues you present here are valid. For me it is clear that McCain’s actions here are threefold. They give him an excuse to avoid the debate at a time when it will most likely be a negative for him. It presents the possibility of erasing a VP debate. A debate in which I think with each passing day the foolishness of the Palin pick , her inadequacies, lack of abilities and lack of readiness to lead a nation are becoming increasingly apparent. Lastly as David R has mentioned, if the republican congress is seen as obstructionist to a bailout resolution and the economy does indeed tank his goose is literally cooked. He is avoiding the debate and hoping to plead his case with his fellow legislators. As for his temperament, yes, it is a very real concern. People who are inclined to knee jerk responses do indeed make rash and often irresponsible decisions. He is no maverick. He is running away in hopes to avoid further decline in his numbers at a time when he and his running mate have nothing of substance to offer that might boost their current credibility with regard to the so called crisis at hand.

Posted by: RickIL at September 25, 2008 10:33 AM
Comment #264347

There is no doubt about his temper. My sister who works for the RNC has experienced it and has no use for him.

Letterman had a good point. Why suspend the campaign, shouldn’t the VP nominee take it over if he is too busy?

Posted by: Schwamp at September 25, 2008 10:39 AM
Comment #264351

Schwamp - That would be awesome to have his VP pick take over his campaign. She could prove to the country that she is qualified to speak to the issues. Hehehehe.

Did you see that train wreck of an interview she did with Katie Couric? Yikes. She used the word maverick like Giuliani used 9-11, a noun, a verb, and maverick. James Garner should sue them for ruining the good name of Maverick.

Letterman is not a guy to mess with. He roasted McCain last night. That clip of him putting on makeup while he was “rushing back to Washington” was great.

Posted by: tcsned at September 25, 2008 11:02 AM
Comment #264360
He’s not utterly incapable of raising an arm, just can’t raise it above shoulder level

So, he was going to strike her from his waist? It was the only explanation of why he moved his arm?

Come on, can’t you just stick to facts and discuss them, instead of bringing this nonsense into the discussion?

Posted by: Rhinehold at September 25, 2008 11:26 AM
Comment #264361

I can’t figure out why the end of this week is the absolute deadline. can anyone tell me why everything blows up this weekend versus last week or two weeks from now? Millions of us are going to be surprised with pink slips Monday morning?

Posted by: Schwamp at September 25, 2008 11:27 AM
Comment #264363

It probably has more to do with Congress’ recess before the election than anything else. It is also why this bailout plan, which supposedly was prepared a couple of month’s ago while the Bush admin. was touting the health of the economy, was dropped on Congress right before the recess. It gives them very little time to debate the issues and to offer revisions. So it is very disingenuous of the Bushies to say that it is critical to deal with this issue right now when they themselves delayed getting the plan to Congress for political reasons. Once again, the Bushies demonstrate gall of biblical proportions.

Posted by: tcsned at September 25, 2008 11:34 AM
Comment #264364

Schwamp,

They are wanting to head off a meltdown of the Asian markets late Sunday night if this doesn’t get lightened a bit before then. I don’t think it will, but that is their fear.

Posted by: Rhinehold at September 25, 2008 11:35 AM
Comment #264365

tcsned,

They can’t extend the session a bit?

Posted by: Rhinehold at September 25, 2008 11:37 AM
Comment #264366

tcsned

Once again, the Bushies demonstrate gall of biblical proportions.

You are being to kind. Judging the total scope of this thing, of which no one seems to be sure. I would say your statement is an understatement of biblical proportion.

Posted by: RickIL at September 25, 2008 11:38 AM
Comment #264367

tcsned,

It’s just how the administration behaves. When they wanted the FISA changes approved, they waited until the last minute and dumped a bill on Congress, saying that any debate or delay would imperil the country. They did the same with going to Iraq.

Invented emergency is just how they get things done.

Posted by: LawnBoy at September 25, 2008 11:38 AM
Comment #264369

Rhinehold - not that this really matters to the point of McCain’s arm, but since you raised the question of his disability as to making a threatening gesture to a woman in a wheel chair:

http://img.thesun.co.uk/multimedia/archive/00431/John_mcCain_682_431646a.jpg

Clearly shows both arms at or near head height. If he wasn’t so short he could strike me in the head from there - he could at least hit me square in the ribs.

Posted by: tcsned at September 25, 2008 11:41 AM
Comment #264372

Rhinehold - “They can’t extend the session a bit?”

I would say they should. It would mean no excuse for not having the debate Friday as scheduled, give a little extra time to make sure this is done right. The last thing any American wants is to waste 700 billion dollars. If the Dems are pushing for the recess to go on as scheduled then they are wrong. Just as wrong as it was for Bush to hold off on delivering the plan so close to the recess as to prevent a thorough assessment of it.

If Carter and Reagan can have a debate during the Iran hostage crisis then these two can have a debate now.

Posted by: tcsned at September 25, 2008 11:47 AM
Comment #264383

Stephen:

Look at me! I’m a Maverick! You don’t know what I’ll do next!

New definition of the term Maverick: Spastic Attention Whore.

Lawnboy:

When they wanted the FISA changes approved, they waited until the last minute and dumped a bill on Congress, saying that any debate or delay would imperil the country. They did the same with going to Iraq.

Invented emergency is just how they get things done.

Spot on. With these Neocon Fascists everything has to be turned into a “Mushroom Cloud” on the American horizon.

Posted by: Veritas Vincit at September 25, 2008 12:12 PM
Comment #264388

Apparently, McCain was so busy not preparing for the Debatethat he forgot to read up on Hank Paulson’s apocalyptically important proposal.

Whenever I think these Washington Republicans can’t surprise me with their stupidity or rashness, they seem rather quick to disabuse me of that notion.

Posted by: Stephen Daugherty at September 25, 2008 12:38 PM
Comment #264391

Ya gotta love Bill Clinton sometimes even if one is a conservative. His comments on Obama spoken on Good Morning America today are just precious. His dumping on Obama and the dem party is almost breath-taking. Has Bill found his soul or is he just pissed-off at you guys and gals for dissing his wife?

Yesterday it was Obama’s position that congress should just call him if they needed him. Now, President Bush has ordered him to come to Washington and he relents. I guess we know who the real leader is here.

Actually, the President gave Obama a reprieve by ordering him to appear. Obama knew he has made a huge blunder by letting McCain get out in front of him and he needed some face-saving way to get back in the game.

Blundering seems to be endemic with Obama and the liberals in charge of the party. Need I recount all the blunders they made in reference to Sarah Palin, Rev. Wright, Saddleback, Rezko, and more?

The one issue that appears to favor Obama is the economy and on this issue he says his help isn’t needed. Should the senate vote on some sort of bailout plan compromise will Obama vote present, or just not even bother showing up?

My guess is he’ll be a no-show for any vote as he can’t lend his name to any important legislation. He will show up in the oval office as it was a presidential order and will be a private meeting with no cameras. To show up at the hearings means that he will be without a teleprompter, script, friendly talking-heads asking the questions or adoring fans. And, he’ll actually have to present his views and risk being shown up by the seasoned veteran Mr. McCain.

If a compromise must be fashioned to pass legislation only McCain is a player. Obama has little or no record of compromise and is incapable of such nuance. Obama can only act with approval of MoveOn.org, Mr. Soros and his other liberal handlers and puppeteers and their absence in the committee hearing room leaves him greatly disadvantaged.

If Obama sees no problem in phoning in his opinions to the committee, I see no problem in McCain phoning in his answers at the debate.

Posted by: Jim M at September 25, 2008 12:51 PM
Comment #264396

A presidential order?? Bwaahahaha!

Posted by: womanmarine at September 25, 2008 1:08 PM
Comment #264399

Jim M

Do you really want Johnny come lately to be associated with welfare for Wall street legislation? It seems to me that this would be quite a paradox for any good conservative. At any rate Obama has nothing to fear here. McCain is the one being elusive. Yeah I bet you would like that phone in debate. Maybe they could get the questions to him and his staff ahead of time. Sounds like you are suggesting saddleback tactics.

Posted by: RickIL at September 25, 2008 1:14 PM
Comment #264402

Jim M,
McCain is avoiding the debate for the reasons I outlined in the original post. It has nothing to do with trying to save the country.

Posted by: tcsned at September 25, 2008 1:17 PM
Comment #264404

I amend my last comment, his no-show might have one thing to to with trying to save the country. He will save us from watching another PALIN/mccain train wreck.

Posted by: tcsned at September 25, 2008 1:23 PM
Comment #264407

Jim M-
The Republicans seem to have become a pathetic version of those gentlemen from the Guinness Beer Commercials. They take a moment to absorb the shock and desperation of their leaders’ latest hare-brained ploy, and then shout “BRILLIANT!”

Select a Vice President who’s already under investigation, whose associated with radical wackos, and cover her terrible lack of experience with a series of half-truths and outright lies?

BRILLIANT!

Take two positions in the same day? McCain’s adapting quickly to the situation!

BRILLIANT!

Suspend your campaign, and propose pre-empting the Vice Presidential Debates with the Debate you’re trying to blow off?

BRILLIANT!

Alienate David Letterman by lying to him about your schedule so you can sneak off for a interview with Katey Couric?

BRILLIANT!

Look, Jim, what we have here is an campaign that’s acting like its chased Amphetamines with a strong cup of coffee. I’m glad that my candidate doesn’t leave me privately panicked while I defend him to the hilt. Obama lets me relax.

He’s going to show up to that debate, and McCain has two choices. Let Obama have the stage to himself, doing a townhall or an interview with the moderator, or show up to the debate and make a mockery of his publicity stunt-ridden campaign.

McCain is burning up a lot of goodwill out there with his erratic behavior, and I couldn’t be happier with that. Should you? It’s long past time that Republicans stopped worrying about winning every election, and started worrying about surviving the next few. You’ve let your party get out of your hands, and enabling McCain’s befuddling insanity is not helping you one bit.

Take this whole Sarah Palin thing. You do realize that of all the people on the main tickets, she has the lowest approval ratings? How’s this a blunder on our part?

Saddleback. Who’s going to remember Saddleback?

Rezko. The Media’s had their field day, the State of Illinois and the Federal Prosecutors have had their investigation, and I think Rezko’s already on his way to the slammer, and Obama’s still clean, apart from the one deal with the house. And the House deal was legal and aboveboard. The only problem is that it associated him with Rezko at the wrong time. Meanwhile, let’s talk about McCain’s relationship with Keating. You do remember the part about McCain’s wife getting into her own house deal, and McCain schmoozing on a near constant basis with Keating don’t you? Even if you don’t mention the Keating Scandal itself, his relationship there was far worse, and far more corrupt than any relationship Obama had with Rezko.

As for teleprompters? Your candidate and teleprompters are not friends. When McCain reads from one, he becomes a lawnsprinkler. He goes from right, to center, to left, then back. The whole mythology around teleprompters is just an invention of your flacks, and independent observers have debunked them.

Besides, Obama isn’t terrible. he halts a little more, but trying getting Bush or McCain without their teleprompters, and things can rapidly degenerate. (and no, don’t post those few videos of Obama mispeaking himself. There are plenty of non-telepromptered events where Obama does fine, if not excels, which I will be happy to post in rebuttal.)

Obama will show up for the vote, and unlike McCain, it will not be the first time since April that he’s done this.

Obama is not a critical part of the group hashing this out. Neither is McCain. Obama has the good sense to stay out of the way. McCain wants to puff himself up and look like the savior, when he’s got nothing to do but attend that press photo-op that Obama got asked to attend. Obama’s doing the President the proper courtesy. McCain’s hanging on him like a life preserver. Turning that into some sort of statement on how McCain’s so large and in charge is just inane.

Posted by: Stephen Daugherty at September 25, 2008 1:31 PM
Comment #264408

A presidential order?? Bwaahahaha!
Posted by: womanmarine at September 25, 2008 01:08 PM

That’s what I thought also. Why would Obama bend to the will of a president he despises? He’s just weak I guess or perhaps what I said about Bush coming to his rescue is correct.

Posted by: Jim M at September 25, 2008 1:32 PM
Comment #264410

It is being reported that there has been a deal reached in Congress for a bailout plan. Is McCain still going to no-show for the debate?

http://www.msnbc.msn.com/id/26884523/

Posted by: tcsned at September 25, 2008 1:33 PM
Comment #264415
You do realize that of all the people on the main tickets, she has the lowest approval ratings? How’s this a blunder on our part?

Erm… “A month after they were named the vice presidential candidates of their respective parties, Sarah Palin is still viewed more favorably by voters than Joseph Biden, 54% to 49%.”

tcsned,

Of course he will be at the debate, there has been little doubt that the deal won’t be done by friday afternoon and he can label himself for having helped. He can then show up to the debate and still beat Obama, while not having to practice for a couple of days…

That is the face he has planned to present to the public all along.

Posted by: Rhinehold at September 25, 2008 1:53 PM
Comment #264417
Why would Obama bend to the will of a president he despises? He’s just weak I guess or perhaps what I said about Bush coming to his rescue is correct.

This deserves another chuckle. He went as a courtesy at the President’s request.

Posted by: womanmarine at September 25, 2008 2:01 PM
Comment #264421

Off topic but in line with the BS being thrown around: In the past I have read of the concerns by some of the health of Mr. McCain based upon speculation.

Do any of you recall this revelation by Michelle Obama some time ago that Barry has stinky breath…so bad in fact, that she says the kids won’t climb into their bed in the morning if Barry is still there. Go here for the story; http://thecaucus.blogs.nytimes.com/2007/09/06/tales-from-the-obamas-bedroom/

My point…bad breath can be an early warning of many serious health conditions include at least two types of cancers. And, Barry is a smoker which should only compound the worry.

My liberal friends, isn’t it fun to extrapolate facts from limited information?

Posted by: Jim M at September 25, 2008 2:08 PM
Comment #264423

Jim M -

Yeah? Didja notice that McCain’s left eye is suddenly drooping?

Dude - I’ve been around enough elderly to know that’s a rather ominous sign of a stroke. Makes one wonder if the economic meltdown really is the reason why he doesn’t want to debate Obama tomorrow night. Can you think of any other reason (other than the sudden onset of some sort of palsy) that could cause his left eyelid to droop thusly?

You might very well be voting for someone who is not long for this world…and guess who would get to take over from him?

And when it comes to bad breath, there’s a whole host of reasons Obama’s breath could be ‘stinky’ - and only a small minority of them are serious.

Posted by: Glenn Contrarian at September 25, 2008 2:21 PM
Comment #264424

Rhinehold - anything is possible, McCain might win the debate. I also might win the lottery - I didn’t buy a ticket but I might. Probably about the same odds.

Posted by: tcsned at September 25, 2008 2:22 PM
Comment #264427

tcsned,

Be careful. The worst problem Gore and Kerry had in their debates was that their expectations were so high (and Bush’s were so low). The more confident we get in advance, the more likely that McCain will be seen to win if he simply doesn’t have a pratfall.

Posted by: LawnBoy at September 25, 2008 2:29 PM
Comment #264433

I’ve been sitting here for an hour reading this and catching up since last night. I find myself going from LMAO to screaming at my monitor.
Thanks to those (Rick, VV, SD, woman, and all the rest) who have “stayed the course”, kept their cool and maintained some dignity.
The rest, gotta thank you for the comedy relief, and the constant amazement at the speed you can spin an issue!!
There is being reported, as tcs stated, “an agreement in principle” that has been reached. It is the Republicans who are offering the resistance…..and the House is still stating that they will only go half way, and not run it through without an equitable agreement from the R’s.

Posted by: janedoe at September 25, 2008 2:43 PM
Comment #264438

Glenn, I was noticing the eye thing as well, and was trying to figure a reason. Could be Bell’s Palsey on the lower end of the seriousness scale, to a minor stroke, which is more than likely, and a precursor to a more serious one, of course.
He has to be dealing with an inordinate amount of stress. He can’t be so blind as to not see the polling numbers…
It’s becoming clearer each day, the fact that he will now stop at nothing if he feels it will get him the Presidency.
He may at one time, have posessed some honor…but it is long gone!

Posted by: janedoe at September 25, 2008 2:54 PM
Comment #264439

And when it comes to bad breath, there’s a whole host of reasons Obama’s breath could be ‘stinky’ - and only a small minority of them are serious.
Posted by: Glenn Contrarian at September 25, 2008 02:21 PM

Thanks Glenn, I thought for sure it was a death sentence. OH, by the way, another possible health condition causing bad breath is “hand, foot and mouth disease”. Hmmmmm.

Posted by: Jim M at September 25, 2008 2:55 PM
Comment #264448

You know, I think that all four people on the tickets are going to die. You know, someday.

I only wish I had the ability to see four years into the future to know who and when though. :/ I guess you have to be a liberal to do that.

Posted by: Rhinehold at September 25, 2008 3:21 PM
Comment #264449
I guess you have to be a liberal to do that.

Oh yeah, there’s no reason that people think you’re a partisan. None at all.

Posted by: LawnBoy at September 25, 2008 3:23 PM
Comment #264450

Rhinehold-
She’s about even with Biden, actually. But more to the point, between the convention and the sixteenth of this month, her negatives went up ten percent. Who knows how much worse it’ll get, now that she’s edging ever closer to having to get out in public and speak for herself?

Jim M.-
Obama is more than twenty years McCain’s junior, has quit smoking, and has not had Melanoma twice. He exercises every day. So, Obama is likely pretty healthy. McCain is a different story.

It’s interesting that folks on the right are availing themselves of the tenets of political correctness to criticize Democrats for bringing up McCain’s age, but the Presidency is an office known for taking men with health and dark hair and leaving them exhausted and grey. This will be a difficult job at best.

Are there not practical reasons for raising the question of whether or not McCain is prepared for the physical rigors of the job? McCain will be older than Reagan if he takes office, and last I checked, even with the best healthcare, time takes its toll on all us mortals.

Posted by: Stephen Daugherty at September 25, 2008 3:27 PM
Comment #264454
Oh yeah, there’s no reason that people think you’re a partisan. None at all.

I am partisan, but you have the wrong party.

Posted by: Rhinehold at September 25, 2008 3:33 PM
Comment #264455
She’s about even with Biden, actually.

How do you figure and isn’t that in disagreement with what you stated before?

McCain will be older than Reagan if he takes office

Erm, no. He is older than Reagan’s first term, but Reagan was elected in a landslide while being 73, a year older than McCain is now. And I remember Democrats talking about how old he was then too… Lived another 20 years after that.

And that was 24 years ago, the life expectancy has risen since then. McCain just has to make 4 years, which I believe he seems quite capable of doing, don’t you think.

Posted by: Rhinehold at September 25, 2008 3:40 PM
Comment #264456

Lawnboy,

Explain to me why I would have written The Otiosity of Fear, among many other articles critical of Republicans in the past, if I was a simple Con mouthpiece?

Heck, just look at my bio to see how I feel about Republicans…

Posted by: Rhinehold at September 25, 2008 3:42 PM
Comment #264457

Rhinehold - I agree the talk about McCain’s impending doom isn’t helpful. There are no guarantees for any of us. That is why we have VP candidates - it’s also, however, why the VP candidates need to go through a public vetting process just like the presidential candidate.

Posted by: tcsned at September 25, 2008 3:42 PM
Comment #264459

tcsned,

Then maybe we should implement a rule that the ticket has to be set in full 2 years before the election?

Oh, wouldn’t it be nice to have an election cycle that wasn’t almost four years long?

As I seem to recall, the requirements for a president are pretty slim. 35 and American born, right?

Maybe we should just have a rule that no VP candidates who haven’t been in Washington for a few decades should be allowed.

Posted by: Rhinehold at September 25, 2008 3:51 PM
Comment #264462

I don’t know if we should go that far - we though we shouldn’t give VPs a pass on a thorough vetting or pass it off that it doesn’t matter that Sarah Palin isn’t up to the job all she’s just the VP.


Apparently the American born requirement isn’t that strict since McCain was born in Panama. I always thought that I was ineligible due to being born on an army base in Germany. So I think I’m gonna run in 2112, I’ll be the same age as Obama. ;)

Posted by: tcsned at September 25, 2008 4:03 PM
Comment #264463

Who is giving Palin a pass? She is being looked at very closely by a bunch of reporters, lawyer and hackers right now.

I haven’t figure out why people think she isn’t being ‘vetted’.

Posted by: rhinehold at September 25, 2008 4:05 PM
Comment #264464

Is she answering questions from reporters? She has really given two interviews with a single reporter and one with that joke hannity. But she hasn’t been available for questions when McCain and Biden have had 20+ years of “vetting.” Obama isn’t hiding from the press either. I think she needs to face the press.

Posted by: tcsned at September 25, 2008 4:15 PM
Comment #264470

McCain’s political ploy should serve to teach Obama that politeness does not include trusting your political opponent for a second.
And, it should teach voters that McCain is dangerously erratic for the presidency.
He will do anything, at the cost of American taxpayers, to win the election.
Shivers run up and down my spine when I see McCain’s surrogates try to justify McCain’s ineptness and lack of good judgment, and even more so when major news media commentators follow suit.
And he punctuates his adventuresome political dialog and erratic maneuvers with a wink and a sarcastic smile.
America needs a serious-minded president, not a clown!

Posted by: steve johnson at September 25, 2008 5:05 PM
Comment #264473

Jim M -

Oh, that’s GOOD! ‘Hoof-and-mouth’ disease!

Funny how when we point out a very likely indicator of a deadly serious condition of McCain, the retort of the Republi-neo-cons is “But Obama’s got bad breath!”

That says a lot about you, Jim.

Posted by: Glenn Contrarian at September 25, 2008 5:37 PM
Comment #264474

Rhinehold-
You were right about my numbers being wrong, but there are numbers that basically make Palin little better than Biden, and those numbers are not current. They’re a week old, and its been a bad week for the McCain Palin campaign.

You are going to continue to draw fire from the Blue Column so long as you pass on the McCain-Palin Campaign talking points free of any critical examination of their assumptions. People use the Duck Method when trying to determine who they’re talking with in a political debate: if you adopt the arguments of a Republican, or a McCain supporter, expect to be pegged as such.

I know, it’s not fair. People should be able to read your mind and determine your political leanings without examining your words or being explicitly told of them when all else fails.

Posted by: Stephen Daugherty at September 25, 2008 5:44 PM
Comment #264475

i AGREE GLEN…IT SAYS I HAVE A SENSE OF HUMOR…CERTAINLY LACKING IN MOST OF THESE POSTS. A FEW PHOTOS POSTED ON THE HUFFINGTON WEBSITE AND SUDDENLY ALL THE LIBERAL WOULD BE PHYSICIANS ARE SUGGESTING STROKES AND CATASTROPHE.

I AM GLAD YOU UNDERSTAND HOW RIDICULOUS SOME OF THESE POSTS SOUND TO OTHERS.

Posted by: JIM M at September 25, 2008 5:49 PM
Comment #264478

Here’s an interesting story of the results of an independent actuarial study of the life expectancy of both Obama and McCain. They don’t mention taking into account the hard drug use by Obama in his young and foolish years.

http://www.foxnews.com/story/0,2933,428168,00.html

Posted by: Jim M at September 25, 2008 6:16 PM
Comment #264486

I know we’re having a lot of fun with diagnosing the candidates medical conditions but I would like to return to the topic of this post.

With this deal all but done, why is McCain still stalling on whether or not he is going to show up for the debate tomorrow. His campaign says until the an agreement in principle isn’t good enough to commit to showing up for his commitment to the American people to debate the issues with his opponent. Though it was a crass political move to suspend his failing campaign and threaten to skip the debate because of this false notion that unless he is in Washington leading the way that nothing will get done.

This wouldn’t be so laughable if he hadn’t been leading the way to deregulate the mortgage and banking industries in the last 26 years. It also wouldn’t be so laughable if he was sincere. I don’t know what he is up to but it seems like he is either worried that this debate will turn into a debate on the economy, his self-admitted weak suit, or is worried that a bad showing tomorrow will pretty much end his chances. The only other possibility I can think of is that he is trying to throw Obama off his game by pretending that he isn’t going to show up then, at the last minute says he will all the while he has been undergoing double-secret preparations.

I have heard that he wants to reschedule the debate for next Thursday which would be the date of the VP debate. So if that happens are they going to try to cancel the VP debate all together? If there is a sinister plan afoot, this possibility is more likely. Palin has been nothing short of horrid in her one-on-one interviews so far and has only confirmed the left’s assertion that Palin is not up for the job. I also thought that she had gotten an extension on releasing her financial records until after the debate for god only knows what reason. But if she is avoiding questions on something and the debate gets pushed back it will complicate that.

I’m glad that the straight talkin’ maverick is living up to his billing.

Posted by: tcsned at September 25, 2008 7:35 PM
Comment #264487

BHO probably holds the world’s record for the amount of time spent campaigning for public office. He is also my senator, and should actually try spending a little time in the Capitol building, where we pay him to be, but maybe the idiot security guards will pretend not to recognize him, and hijinks will ensue.

Whoever gets elected this year is going to be a one term President, so life expectancy should not be critical. The opposite party will win in 2012 and 2016. JMcC would put together a bi-partisan group, and BHO would simply recreate the Clinton administration, without anyone named Clinton in it. Neither one of them has any chance of topping the stupidities of the current administration. We’re now a country where a Presidential candidate can get cheers for saying that he’s against torture. Thanks Bush/Cheney.

Posted by: ohrealy at September 25, 2008 7:39 PM
Comment #264494

“Who is giving Palin a pass? She is being looked at very closely by a bunch of reporters, lawyer and hackers right now.

I haven’t figure out why people think she isn’t being ‘vetted’.”


You’re joking right??? Sure she is being looked at, but that’s about all. Just a bunch of looking. And what happens when she is actually asked a serious question such as, “What did you learn from your meetings today?” as asked by the AP… she is rushed out of the room before she can open her mouth. I wonder why??? NOT!

I am starting to think rhinehold that you either don’t have a job (because you are on this site all day every day) or this is your job (one of those political flamethrowers sent to pose as a normal person and post on boards all day)

Posted by: angrymob at September 25, 2008 8:23 PM
Comment #264502
You’re joking right??? Sure she is being looked at, but that’s about all.

Erm, isn’t that what ‘vetting’ is?

If you don’t think you are getting good information, don’t vote for her. Seems pretty simple to me.

As for my job, that’s my personal business, but yes I am employed and no it doesn’t have anything to do with politics.

Have a Happy.

Posted by: Rhinehold at September 25, 2008 9:05 PM
Comment #264510

Jim M

“Ya gotta love Bill Clinton sometimes even if one is a conservative. His comments on Obama spoken on Good Morning America today are just precious.”

Great!!! between Bill Clinton and Biden, BHO don’t stand a chance. The Clinton’s have no plans to help BHO. They want him to loose. Has anyone besides me listened to the Hillary supporters, when interviewed, they only half-heartedly support BHO.

Did you notice BHO when he was sitting at the table in the White House? McCain was laughing, the dems and repubs had a look of “who farted” on their faces, and BHO had the look of total bewilderment. He was worried that they might ask his opinion and he wouldn’t be able to answer because he had no telepromter.

I am listening to Dick Morris, a liberal dem, and he said McCain’s move was brilliant. He thinks BHO was caught with his britches down again. He believes McCain will be at the debate and if he is 90% of your posts will be moot.

Since we are on the subject of health and appearances:

Have you noticed BHO’s ears? If had gone through Ike, like I did last week, he would be in danger of liftoff.

Posted by: Oldguy at September 25, 2008 9:36 PM
Comment #264511

ohrealy-
McCain and Obama announced their candidacy about the same time. Between the two of them, McCain’s last vote was in April, as opposed to Obama’s last vote in July. Obama’s missed a little less than half of the votes, McCain’s missed about two thirds of them.

I don’t think most Illinois voters mind that Barack Obama has essentially become the new leader of the party.

Whether Obama becomes a one-term president is debateable. Under similar circumstances, with an idealistic candidate who won a negative referendum on the party in power, the president in question got more than two terms.

It all comes down to what the candidate manages to do as president. If they manage to satisfy, even impress voters, they can get a second term. If they make like Bush and just try to argue their way out of the political challenges, people will quickly become disgusted with them.

But one thing is unlikely: The votes in 2012 or 2016 going for the Republicans. They are overwhelmingly in the doghouse with new voters, who will tend to vote consistently for the party they start out with early on. Things will get worse, not better for the Republicans, as time goes on.

As for your expectations? Clinton’s administration was marked by its antagonistic relationship with a Congress dominated by the other party. Obama’s not going to have that problem. McCain would, and I doubt, having capitulated to his party’s extremists, and demonstrates such great maturity on the campaign trail, that he would be so kind as to keep that promise.

Even if his health didn’t force him to one term, I think his politics would doom him sooner.

Posted by: Stephen Daugherty at September 25, 2008 9:36 PM
Comment #264515

angrymob:

I think your attacks on RH border on attacking the messenger. You may find me on here at any time, but that is because I am retired. Others may also be retired, but it doesn’t really matter, it’s their business.

Posted by: Oldguy at September 25, 2008 9:42 PM
Comment #264526

If Obama is what he claims to be—somebody who can actually solve problems, bring people together and transcend politics as usual—then why isn’t he at the forefront of these negotiations?

The fact is that he has NO experience whatsoever doing what he claims to be able to do, and is completely lost without his team of PR handlers, image-packagers, and his teleprompter. Talk about a deer in the headlights.

The man would clearly rather be back in Florida memorizing one-liners spoon-fed to him by his handlers about another topic he has no experiences in whatsoever: foreign policy.

I think McCain’s move is brilliant.

He’s seen taking the initiative on something perceived as his weak suit—the economy—while simultaneously revealing Obama’s lack of ability in the same area. In the meantime, by forcing Obama to follow McCain around and stop cramming for the foreign policy debate, he’s positioning himself to clean Obama’s clock in the debate, should it take place.

Posted by: Loyal Opposition at September 25, 2008 10:37 PM
Comment #264528

>He’s seen taking the initiative on something perceived as his weak suit—the economy—while simultaneously revealing Obama’s lack of ability in the same area. In the meantime, by forcing Obama to follow McCain around and stop cramming for the foreign policy debate, he’s positioning himself to clean Obama’s clock in the debate, should it take place.
Posted by: Loyal Opposition at September 25, 2008 10:37 PM

LO,

I’m glad to see that you agree McCain’s suspension of campaign and his trip to DC were strictly political…pretty sure others see it too…playing politics with our economic future may not make everyone happy…

Posted by: Marysdude at September 25, 2008 10:58 PM
Comment #264531

“He’s seen taking the initiative on something perceived as his weak suit—the economy—while simultaneously revealing Obama’s lack of ability in the same area.”

LO Because the bar is set so low on the right side of the aisle I can understand your point. Most of us however don’t consider dancing around in circles flip flopping and making foolish statements really shows any additional strength by McCain on the economy. I was more impressed by Obama being invited by W to attend a meeting in DC without having to cancel his entire campaign(Just saying that makes me laugh). Should the worst befall us and McCain actually gets elected we can add to our list of things to pray about, the wish to have only linear events happen that requires McCain’s attention. Heaven forbid Palin has to get involved.

Instead of rushing to judgement 2 or 3 times per issue as McCain has done Obama has been positive while not reactionary nor crippled by perceived crisis unlike McCain. Walking and chewing gum does come to mind sorry.

Posted by: j2t2 at September 25, 2008 11:23 PM
Comment #264532

Marysdude, it’s political but not “purely political” because McCain is clearly taking the initiative and actively working on a solution.

Those that We the People have elected to solve problems like this ARE politicians. Prominent among those politicians are sitting US Senators.

If Obama thought this was all just cosmetic politics and had nothing to do with problem-solving, then why is HE in Washington right now too?

Why isn’t he still waiting around in Florida with his feet up and promising to only do the job he was elected to do as a Senator if “he’s asked to do so?,” which was his initial, weak-willed and wishy-washy response to McCain’s invitation to head back to Washington and try to craft a bi-partisan solution? Why is Barack Obama’s first impulse to always vote “present” and avoid getting into the mix?

The solution to this crisis IS a political one, and McCain has been a bridge-builder in Congress for ages now, and is bringing those abilities and that record to bear on a major problem currently facing our country. Even Bill Clinton has complimented McCain for taking the initiative in good faith to do the people’s business—and that’s INSTEAD of just playing politics.

If Obama had ever spent as much time working on solving problems instead of just running for office—the only thing he’s ever showed any talent for—he wouldn’t be so confused about the difference between mere campaigning and actual governing.

Posted by: Loyal Opposition at September 25, 2008 11:29 PM
Comment #264535

>If Obama thought this was all just cosmetic politics and had nothing to do with problem-solving, then why is HE in Washington right now too?

LO,

Perhaps because he was invited by the President?

Now be honest…do you actually think McCain, who self admittedly is not strong in the area of economics can add to the discussion enough to get a positive result? He has already thrown a wrench into the gearbox, and postponed or derailed any progress that had been made so far. Perhaps for the best, but that’s pretty doubtful with his economic background.

Nope…he’s there to show America he can LEAD…lemmings over the cliff?

That’s politics of the worst kind…

Posted by: Marysdude at September 25, 2008 11:52 PM
Comment #264536

PS:

McCain is in Washington to carry Phil Gramm’s water bucket. And, it’s not as though Phil has much water in his bucket. Isn’t he the one who said just because we were complaining about losing our jobs and paying more for essentials and worrying about unprecedented mortgage foreclosures, we were cry-babies? Didn’t he say this was all just in our paranoiac imaginations? If he was correct, why has our dear leader asked for a 700 Billion bailout? Isn’t he the one who introduced the bill that deregulated the very system we are now having to bail out? How does that jibe with McCain’s visit not being 100% political?

Posted by: Marysdude at September 26, 2008 12:01 AM
Comment #264537

PPS:

Which economic oversight committee is McCain or Obama on? Why would their presence in DC be such a priority that they should deprive the American public of information that might help select the President who will have to preside over any fix that comes out of this mess. Unless you are proposing that Cheney/Bush stay in office, we STILL have to elect his replacement.

If we have something awful happen in the world that needs immediate attention, will you forgive McCain for suspending his presidency in order to solve that problem?

Posted by: Marysdude at September 26, 2008 12:08 AM
Comment #264543

“The solution to this crisis IS a political one, and McCain has been a bridge-builder in Congress for ages now, and is bringing those abilities and that record to bear on a major problem currently facing our country.”

LOP you are right in one respect “has been”. That is the problem McCain has been a bridge builder. He is not now. Today according to sources at the meeting McCain deferred the repub opening comments to “those with more senority” on the right side of the aisle. This of course was right after Obama spelled out the dems position on the economic issue of such import.

To continue to think that McCain’s trip to DC was anything more than showboating to create a diviersion from his campaign and the Palin interviews and press conference is just a slap in the face of anything reality based, my friend.

This slimy politics by the righties in general and McCain in particular really does a disservice to this country and has us teetering on the edge of a depression. The plan that almost was has fallen apart upon the arrival of John McCain in DC. His disappointing failure to lead while given the opportunity in the meeting with W today portends a dismal future for all of us should those on the right continue to back the republican ticket for the presidency of this country. He has disgraced himself and others that continue to preach his past glories as what is needed for leadership in this country. Let the man retire he has served well and doesn’t deserve to go out in disgrace like this. His time has past and his handpicked VP is an embarrassment to the party. Watch her NBC interview and then tell me she is a world leader with a straight face.

Posted by: j2t2 at September 26, 2008 12:37 AM
Comment #264544

Glenn,

Can you think of any other reason (other than the sudden onset of some sort of palsy) that could cause his left eyelid to droop thusly?

Yeah — something seems very wrong. It could be something mild like Bell’s palsy, but it could also be a stroke. Unfortunately, it could also be that his malignant melanoma may have returned and has metastasized into a brain tumor.
When I watched the video of McCain announcing that he intended to suspend his campaign, I was immediately struck by how exceptionally old, sick and frail he looked. Then I began to notice the weirdness of his left eye. While it was noticeably drooping, it also looked sunken, and was blinking very strangely. Usually a persons eyes blink in tandem, but McCain’s weren’t doing so — well, not consistently anyway.
A lot of people I know have been commenting on how awful he looked, and about the one eye — it was that noticeable.
I don’t know if you’ve heard this, but he recently began paying a professional make-up artist $5,583 to do his face, and follow him around for constant touch ups. He has also lost a whole lot of weight during the last several months, his color is ghastly, and his thinking and speech seem to be rather erratic of late.

I think there may be a chance that McCain is ill with something — and maybe this stunt with suspending his campaign and wanting to push back the debate could be connected to this?
I really don’t know — but it’s very troubling.
If he’s sick, he needs to tell the American people what’s going on. He could step down and let Huckabee or the Mittster take over.
The thought of Palin as the president is positively chilling. We simply can’t have another four years with a mindless, incoherent idiot, like George W. sitting in the oval office.
We just can’t. Period.

Posted by: Veritas Vincit at September 26, 2008 12:37 AM
Comment #264545

Marysdude, having a debate several days from now instead of tomorrow is hardly the same thing as “suspending the presidency.” The debates will happen. Exactly when is not that important. If you’re itching to see a debate—as I am too—don’t worry. You’ll get your wish.

It’s a matter of realizing what the most pressing issues are at the moment and acting accordingly.

As I remember it, Bush took a lot of flak for reading a childrens’s book for several extra minutes during 9-11 instead of rushing off immediately to deal with the nation’s business. And that he also took flak for not jumping in with both feet on Katrina right away.

McCain doesn’t want to make that mistake. As of now, he’s a US Senator. And there is extremely pressing business for EVERYBODY who holds that job.

Lots of people are predicting a huge and global economic meltdown of the markets either tomorrow or Monday if no solution is reached, and there’s a real possibility that two US Senators could be seen blabbing at each tomorrow tonight as part of a political campaign while the world burns. Obama doesn’t care. He’s never bothered with governing—ever.

Warren Buffett has called this an economic “Pearl Harbor.” As with Pearl Harbor, this is a time for those with a sense of duty to man their posts.

McCain, as he has his whole life, is simply answering the call.

Obama, as he has his whole life, wants to vote present and go about pursuing his personal ambitions instead of doing the people’s business.

Posted by: Loyal Opposition at September 26, 2008 12:40 AM
Comment #264546

Here’s the video. He truly looks like Death Warmed Over.

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Comment #264557

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Posted by: timothy moriarty at September 26, 2008 7:29 AM
Comment #264560

LO-

If Obama is what he claims to be—somebody who can actually solve problems, bring people together and transcend politics as usual—then why isn’t he at the forefront of these negotiations?

Because he isn’t, not in any substance. The banking committees have been working this stuff out. You know, the folks with actual power?

The fact is that he has NO experience whatsoever doing what he claims to be able to do, and is completely lost without his team of PR handlers, image-packagers, and his teleprompter. Talk about a deer in the headlights.

McCain’s experience in Washington concerning banking was him Schmoozing with Mr. Keaton the Savings and Loan owner until it became politically inconvenient to do so. His wife even invested in the man. Of course McCain was cleared of doing anything truly illegal, but the adults among us know that there’s things that aren’t illegal but still bad.

McCain’s move is just stagecraft. You may debate about whether it’s brilliant or not (most Americans don’t care for it), but in the end, McCain’s not going to contribute much of substance.

I wonder: if Obama didn’t come back, would you be letting him off the hook? Honestly, knowing the way Republicans work, you might have criticized him for staying away, for not being a leader, or for being rude to poor old Georgie.

McCain had months and years to attend to this particular problem. Even this year, Obama has him shut out as to legislation concerning the banking industry. It’s so kind of him to suddenly step up and become a leader right in the midst of the campaign, when his numbers are tanking. It’s just so nice of him to back a proposal that essentially sends more of the same Wall Street friendly legislation to the Hill that made this crap possible in the first place.

Obama’s a constructive legislator, not a showboat who runs after the spotlight.

As for this?

As I remember it, Bush took a lot of flak for reading a childrens’s book for several extra minutes during 9-11 instead of rushing off immediately to deal with the nation’s business. And that he also took flak for not jumping in with both feet on Katrina right away.

LO, can I have a word with you? I know your people hit up Obama for being presumptive when he went overseas and held large, presidential looking rallies showing how popular he was.

But you know what? Obama wasn’t claiming to have the powers of the President before being elected.

The fact of the matter is, your comparison with Bush falls apart on the fact that Bush, in both cases was already President of the United States of America. He had actual power and authority to act! Maybe you’ve become a little confused, what with Bush’s perpetual campaign, but political grandstanding and Presidential power are two different things,

I think the old Danny Kaye song is appropriate here in terms of what McCain may be doing: It’s not dance, it’s choreography. How nice of Bush to invite McCain to the White House and give the man who had absolutely nothing to do that day of any substance a platform from which to be the White Knight. How convenient.

Yet the plan he proposes is generally just another tax gimmee for the rich, a bailout in all but name (you call it insurance), and the start of another round of deregulation.

And the so called suspension is opposed by three out of every four Americans. I say so-called because McCain is still making speeches, running commercials, running offices, and planning for events next week. Both candidates are running for President right now, but only one of them is being honest about it.

Posted by: Stephen Daugherty at September 26, 2008 8:31 AM
Comment #264563

LO

He’s seen taking the initiative on something perceived as his weak suit—the economy—while simultaneously revealing Obama’s lack of ability in the same area. In the meantime, by forcing Obama to follow McCain around and stop cramming for the foreign policy debate, he’s positioning himself to clean Obama’s clock in the debate, should it take place.

McCain is grandstanding period. No one with half a brain is foolish enough to believe that he can have any real effect in the negotiations. The guy does not have a clue when it comes to economy. His presence in Washington is nothing more than a distraction which apparently has had negative effect to this point. He is running from the debate which will evolve into an economy issue. I am sorry, but this is all too obvious to think otherwise.

Obama or McCain have no business stepping into the fray of negotiations 6 days into this supposed crisis. Neither one is playing the role of mediator. Nor have the negotiating teams reached such an impasse that they have requested one. I will suggest that this is nothing more than political grandstanding in an attempt to make this look like McCain is somehow the man in charge. Please don’t insult our intelligence by claims otherwise.

Posted by: RickIL at September 26, 2008 8:49 AM
Comment #264569

According to reports I heard McCain was pretty silent at the meetings and pretty load about what he has been doing “for the good of the country” outside the meeting.

I think McCain is pretty irrelevant to getting a deal done. The House Republicans are the sticking point. They have 2 problems with the proposed bailout. First, ideological reasons - they believe the free market will take care of the problem by itself and government injecting itself will only make matters worse. Second, political - they are all up for reelection in November and from everything I have seen many are in a lot of trouble. Without getting involved they can either complain about the $700 billion debt we just incurred or if a deal doesn’t get done they can blame a do-nothing Democratic Congress for sending us into the second Great Depression. It is naive to think that this isn’t part of their thinking. Not that Bush is smart enough to manipulate the issue but his operatives are and with the suspicious timing of the release of the bailout plan and the way things now seem to be falling apart I am growing increasingly suspicious of the whole thing. I guess with an election so close it would have been impossible not to have election politics play a significant role in this deal.

Still no word on whether or not he is going to chicken out of the debate…

Posted by: tcsned at September 26, 2008 10:01 AM
Comment #264578

I think this says it all.

Not my comments but from CNN “Fourty years of republican misrule has brought us to this. Financial ruin at every level. But CNN reported on what happened inside the meeting at the White House today. Its failure seems to have caused the failure of this deal, and this meeting would not have occured if McCain hadn’t demanded it. He took another huge gamble, and lost. After the cameras left, Boehner started ranting about the right wing “plan” (deregulation, capital gains tax cuts, and an insurance plan that Paulson said won’t work). Bush was silent, and McCain said nothing. It seems as though Obama was the only one who tried to lead the meeting to some productive conclusion. CNN said that Obama first tried to reason with Boehner, and ask him to detail what his plan was. After he did this, Obama calmly asked Paulson if it would work, and Paulson said that it definately would not work (which was why house republicans didn’t ask him about this at the meeting yesterday). Obama continued with his attempts to salvage the mess that McCain created and refused to correct, but was unable. Again we see how much we need Obama and his leadership, and how disastrous McCain would be.”

Now I know you guys that only watch fox won’t believe this-too bad for you and too bad for our country.

Posted by: Carolina at September 26, 2008 10:53 AM
Comment #264639

Well the stumbling, bumbling has ocurred, is over and nothing was added to the mixture, but more questions, and more stalling.
It wouldn’t appear that McCain’s attempt to save the world came to fruition. AND, he is going to be at the debate! At least that was as of an hour ago.
Get your “record” buttons loosened up, because I have a feeling this one is going to be a saver.

Posted by: janedoe at September 26, 2008 2:25 PM
Comment #264664
Not my comments but from CNN

CNN news or CNN opinion?

I think if it was opinion it was just that, opinion. If it was ‘news’, then CNN has just invalidated themselves as a valid unbiased news source, which is sad because they are the last ones I have at this point and time.

Posted by: Rhinehold at September 26, 2008 4:06 PM
Comment #264667

“Now I know you guys that only watch fox won’t believe this-too bad for you and too bad for our country.”
Posted by: Carolina at September 26, 2008 10:53 AM

Carolina, I watch Fox, CNN, NBC, CBS and ABC at various times as I wish to be well-informed. I would be extremely shortsighted to get my news from just one source as all are biased to some degree.

If you also have an open mind, I suggest you read this primer which will fascinate and educate at the same time. It’s non-political and just historical. All toes are stepped upon merely by the recounting of history and the reader is invited to draw their own conclusions.

The Subprime Mortgage Market Collapse:
A Primer on the Causes and Possible Solutions
by Ronald D. Utt, Ph.D.

http://www.heritage.org/Research/Economy/bg2127.cfm

Posted by: Jim M at September 26, 2008 4:13 PM
Comment #264676

Jim,

I don’t get my news from CNN. I rarely watch it but ran across that information this morning on the internet. I personally prefer c-span and public radio and tv. I will admit to watching Keith Olbermann to get my daily dose of fun. I do enjoy him and feel since most of the media (tv and radio) is so right wing I want to give some support to the other side.

I have no desire to associate with heritage. I have seen some of their right wing nonsense on cspan and have no desire to further torture myself.

Just as you are never going to lean left-I am never going to lean right.

Posted by: Carolina at September 26, 2008 5:00 PM
Comment #264694

“Just as you are never going to lean left-I am never going to lean right.”
Posted by: Carolina at September 26, 2008 05:00 PM

Carolina, I respect your leanings as you do mine. As I said, the article merely recounts history and is not political. I do understand that some are really unsure of what they believe and must not be exposed to actual events for fear of being converted. I get all the MoveOn.org emails, listen to CNN at times, have read most of the postings on Mr. Obama’s website and exposed myself to much that contradicts my conservative beliefs in an attempt to become more knowledgeable and tolerant of the views of others.

If we write on this blog merely to register disagreement rather than as a learning experience then what’s the point?

I really don’t expect that either you or I will have some great revelation by reading someones words and convert. Our political philosophies run very deep and have developed over many years. That’s great…that’s fine. I read these blogs to learn and to test ideas…my own and others. To do that I must understand the others persons opinions and level of historical fact. The article I linked to does just that, provides historical fact which can then be used to avoid the same mistakes in the future.

Carolina, I am sure you will agree with me when I say that we never learn a thing just listening to ourselves or to those with exactly the same opinion.

Posted by: Jim M at September 26, 2008 7:06 PM
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So Jim M, your determination of historical fact is more legitimate than those whose ideas oppose yours?

Posted by: janedoe at September 26, 2008 7:35 PM
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S.D. “Barack Obama has essentially become the new leader of the party.”

That must be pretty embarrassing, considering the experience and accomplishments of so many of the other Democrats.

“the president in question got more than two terms.”

He never ran in a year ending in an 8. Your professor is no Jackson, or Truman. The smallest states have more bang per electoral vote until the next reapportionment. Texas has the least bang per vote this year.

“The votes in 2012 or 2016 going for the Republicans.”

I guarantee you that the Rpblcns are re-strategizing right now about the improved possibilities for their candidates if they simply refuse to vote for the bailout. This is 2008. Then there will be a midterm in 2010, when the results of whatever happens now will be felt. Then comes 2012. BHO’s candidacy’s doesn’t alter time or years, although 5769 sounds better than 2008 to me.

The debate tonight is moderated by Jim Lehrer, so there might not be really silly questions, but what are they going to ask with the eyes of Iran, Pakistan, Venezuala, and others watching? How do you feel about assassinating Chavez? Isn’t Pakistan more of a problem than an ally? When do we bomb nuclear facilities in the “axis of evil” countries? Most of these questions, and many others on foreign policy are better left unanswered, but maybe they’ll just agree to talk about the economy instead.

Posted by: ohrealy at September 26, 2008 8:05 PM
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janedoe

thank you for your comments. Well said and certainly much more succinct than what my response would have been to Mr. Jim.

Posted by: Carolina at September 27, 2008 1:00 PM
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Carolina, you’re most welcome. It seemed to me that what he presented had no substantiation, so was nothing more than opinion.
I guess it could qualify as historical, but certainly showed no proof as fact.

Posted by: janedoe at September 27, 2008 4:51 PM
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“I guess it could qualify as historical, but certainly showed no proof as fact.”
Posted by: janedoe at September 27, 2008 04:51 PM

janedoe, rarely have a I read a more contradictory statement. Historical but not factual?

Carolina…don’t be bashful, say what you think, I’ll try to handle it.

Posted by: Jim M at September 28, 2008 3:40 PM
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McCain did the right thing. He probably knew he’d get heat for it, but that’s the way he’s always been throughout his career.
FactCheckRedux Editor

Posted by: FactCheckRedux Editor at September 28, 2008 10:22 PM
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