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September 11 - Seven Years On

Here we are at the seventh “anniversary” of September 11, 2001. It is hard to believe that seven years have passed, and it is hard to believe that only seven years have passed.

Seven years since the horrifying images of crashing buildings and falling bodies was burned into our brains. So much has happened, and yet resolution is as remote as it was on that day. Questions, hundreds of questions, still remain. Terrorism, and the war on it have grown - not shrunk. Instead, many more shattered lives have been thrown into the maw of revenge and greed.

Seven years and the immigrant families of those lost in the World Trade Center still have no legal status, and therefore no status. Many are even afraid to come forward for fear of deportation.

We have heard thousands of times of the heroes who lost their lives on that fateful day. All of the victims are considered "heroes" - except the hidden and inconvenient immigrant victims.

Justice takes many forms, and legalizing and recognizing these survivors should have happened long ago.

Since 9/11 we have watched the usurpation of power by the Bush administration; the attack on the Constitution and undermining of our civil rights; the rise of corporate power and privatization of the military and intelligence communities. We have watched the stripping of resources and blatant cronyism undermine the infrastructure and safety of the people of the United States. We have watched the nation's honor and integrity be forever sullied by torture and murder. Yet Sarah Palin is so disconnected to the critical nature of those rights that she chastised Obama in her acceptance speech: "Al Qaeda terrorists still plot to inflict catastrophic harm on America ... he's worried that someone won't read them their rights?"

Indeed, this is a reflection of how far we have fallen from our commitment to law and justice. We have arrived at a point where candidate for the second highest office in the country throws away the principles of the Constitution with a sneer - and is cheered for doing so.

With the public's awakening to the injustice of the invasion in Iraq, Afghanistan has become the "good" war. Afghanistan, where we threw out the law and attacked a nation for one man. Almost seven years later the death and destruction continues. Even Obama hoists the "good war" flag for Afghanistan. It was not a "good war" when it started, and it certainly has not become one with the passage of time.

The trail of destruction spreads out from the events of 9/11 like the debris path of a megastorm. In many ways, it seems as indiscriminate as a storm, but it is not. The destruction has been deliberate, or at least the consequences of deliberate action.

I hope for a day when we look forward to rebuilding and healing the damage that has been done. A day when we realize that war is not an answer, and that human and civil rights are not an impediment to safety. A day when we realize that hatred leads to hardening ideologies and destructive actions, and we come to terms with ourselves and those who share our planet.

Posted by Rowan Wolf at September 11, 2008 7:46 PM
Comments
Comment #262800

September 11 is the unforgettable day for Americans.
On that day “World Trade Centre” was destroyed by the Al Quida Osama Binladen.

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olivia

widecircles

Posted by: olivia at September 12, 2008 5:05 AM
Comment #262799

Hear! Hear!

While I agree to a degree about Afghanistan, I still think chasing ben Ladin was the right thing to do, stopping that pursuit and occupying the country is a bit of a stretch.

Lying ourselves into Iraq, torturing and dropping habeas corpus have moved us inexorably toward third world status, and encouraging, through lack of oversight, our economy to dump has drawn us even closer to that status…aah, the once mighty, but just America…

All-in-all a good post, Rowan…

Posted by: Marysdude at September 12, 2008 5:05 AM
Comment #262802

USA never forget this day.
USA met huge drawback in the economy.

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peer

Blaze Infotech

Posted by: peer at September 12, 2008 5:55 AM
Comment #262807

It was good to see McCain and Obama together yesterday and catch a glimpse of the campaign that might have been. Our country seems to miss this chance over and over again. Americans with political differences that we fight hard for but with decency and respect for people with opposing views. They talked about Kennedy and Goldwater having such a campaign but Goldwater/Johnson turned out very differently. Too bad this one has resorted to wallowing in the mud.

Yesterday was also another sad anniversary for the America that could have been but wasn’t. I always believe in looking at hardship and obstacles as opportunities. George Bush had a chance to be a great American president - he was handed this opportunity to show how people should react when something that horrible happens. We had a chance to become the shining example to the world as to what freedom really means, what liberty really means, and what our founders intended for us. The example we could have set that day would have done more for freedom and democracy in the world than any war could hope to bring. But alas, we fell short, way short. George W. Bush turned 9-11 into a political bludgeon to wield with impunity on anyone who held an opposing view. We have had our beloved Constitution put through a shredder. We have spied on people illegally, we have held people for an indefinite period of time with no recourse to a justice system, and worst of all we have tortured even caused the deaths of human beings, some guilty some not, all deserving better from us than they received. In this sense we have lost this so-called “war on terror.” We have not held ourselves to the highest standards. We failed.

Posted by: tcsned at September 12, 2008 9:02 AM
Comment #262833

timmy,

The word ‘devil’ is spelled with an ‘i’ between the ‘v’ and the ‘l’. If you can’t spell-check it, don’t write it…and, I have never known Rowan to call anyone devil…now me, on the other hand, might call someone devil if they can’t spell devil…Mr. GW Bush, or as I prefer to call him, Cheney/Bush, is not a devil…he’s just an incompetent fool, who is slavish to his constituency, i.e., oil and energy corporate giants.

Posted by: Marysdude at September 12, 2008 1:29 PM
Comment #262840

timmy, it’s beyond me how it happened, but you have been allowed on here to literally bemoan the life of the author on this thread.
You, and your posts are despicable!

Posted by: janedoe at September 12, 2008 2:01 PM
Comment #262857

timmy,

The witch kept Hansel and Gretel alive too, but did that mean anything? No, because it was to exploit them later. You can’t exploit something you kill, you need to enslave it. See any parallels?

Posted by: horse at September 12, 2008 5:17 PM
Comment #262859

Rowan

I hope for a day when we look forward to rebuilding and healing the damage that has been done. A day when we realize that war is not an answer, and that human and civil rights are not an impediment to safety. A day when we realize that hatred leads to hardening ideologies and destructive actions, and we come to terms with ourselves and those who share our planet

You have just presented the antithesis of GOP ideology. Of course you know your emphasis on returning to some rationalized normalcy will have you labeled by many on the right as a weak, concerned and caring liberal. A creature better off left on the sidelines once the animal instincts takeover the sensibilities of our neocon counterparts.

An excellent article Rowan and I could not agree more.

Posted by: RickIL at September 12, 2008 5:33 PM
Comment #262873

Rebuilding and healing? Unlikely in the status quo. Politicians thrive off of division. They have no incentive to bring people together.

If you want real healing, we (all of us together) have to get rid of the politicians.

Posted by: Bhalper at September 12, 2008 6:37 PM
Comment #262883

All I have to say Rowan is: Bush 7, terrorists 0! And, I can’t see McPalin admin being much different!! :)

Posted by: rahdigly at September 12, 2008 9:05 PM
Comment #262885

The greatest failures of the Bush administration, and there have been many, are in this order: the failure to prevent the 9/11 attacks despite clear but ignored warnings and the squandering of the the worldwide goodwill and sympathy we had by using the attacks as an excuse for military adventurism in the Mid-east. We could have united the world in crushing terrorism.

In Iran the day after 9/11 twenty thousand people marched to the abandoned US embassy and laid flowers in sympathy. The war on terror would be over by now if the Bush regime had acted in our best interest instead of the oil companies.

Posted by: BillS at September 12, 2008 9:44 PM
Comment #262886

Afghanistan is getting as tired of our presence as the Iraqis. Maybe we’re not really even there. It might be like a fake moon landing, or sending equipment off somewhere to blow it up, so we have to buy more. I don’t see how they can recruit volunteers for this kind of nonsense. No wonder the private contractors aren’t going anywhere. Where are the media reports about our efforts to eradicate the opium poppy fields? If it’s not happening, then we are once again on both sides in the drug war.

Posted by: ohrealy at September 12, 2008 9:53 PM
Comment #262892

Timmy,
Lots of folks have wished me dead, or threatened me with death, starting with my foster mother. So far, the wishes and threats have not succeeded.

I firmly believe that true patriotism is standing strong for the highest ideals of our nation. There are a lot of ways to do that. I respect the sacrifice of those who serve in the military. I deplore throwing those lives and that service away for less than honorable situations.

I disagree with the premise that I (or anyone else) have been “kept alive” by President Bush.

TO THE OTHER PARTICIPANTS
Thank you for your comments and thoughts. I think that the majority of those here, and the population desires to strive for something much stronger and honorable than recent history. Even McCain is talking failed policies and the need for change. So, it is not just “liberals” who are unhappy with the status quo.

Posted by: rowan at September 12, 2008 11:36 PM
Comment #262921

With all your angst against Bush and how he led this nation after the 9/11 attacks, Global terrorism has decreased since 2001. (Again), Bush 7, terrorists 0.

Also, it’s interesting how, the rest of the world has No consensus on who was behind the attacks; yet, the The World wants Obama to be President. Does anyone else find that interesting?!!!

Posted by: rahdigly at September 13, 2008 12:06 PM
Comment #262924

>With all your angst against Bush and how he led this nation after the 9/11 attacks, Global terrorism has decreased since 2001. (Again), Bush 7, terrorists 0.

Posted by: rahdigly at September 13, 2008 12:06 PM

rah,

One explanation might be that they all converged on Iraq. There are plenty of them there…if you are concerned about them, don’t be…they’ll be out and about soon enough…

It’s pretty sure the so-called ‘war on terror’ isn’t over…it’s just barely begun. Iraq has been a diversion, not a fix…please remember there were NO terrorists in Iraq before our dishonorable invasion.

Posted by: Marysdude at September 13, 2008 1:27 PM
Comment #262925

Guess that just goes to show that the rest of the world has good sense!

Posted by: janedoe at September 13, 2008 1:33 PM
Comment #262926

Oh, by the way…if we are counting in real life terms, it’s:

Cheney/Bush…………… 0

Terrorists……………. More than we can even imagine, because Osama ben Ladin is still free and planning for the future.

Posted by: Marysdude at September 13, 2008 1:35 PM
Comment #262927

Rah

You are trying to give Bush credit for being the main obstacle to global terrorism. This is a large world, our efforts are centered in Iraq. A place that was not known as a bastion of terrorists before our arrival. I might suggest that the results of less global terrorism could be the result of a global effort. Most of the rest of the world has not followed the ideologies of Bush with respect to approach.

I am not sure what sort of contrived conspiracy you are trying to read into the rest of this. Fact is the rest of world sees value in a leader who practices principles of diplomacy over the hit first approach of Bushco.

Posted by: RickIL at September 13, 2008 1:36 PM
Comment #262928

Dude

One explanation might be that they all converged on Iraq.

I will go as far as to say that our very presence in their backyard indirectly provided motivation for growth in numbers.

Posted by: RickIL at September 13, 2008 1:41 PM
Comment #262929

RickIL,

Yeah…Saddam did not want to share power with terrorists. If there were ANY in Iraq before the war they were few and far between. Cheney/Bush, as usual did not anticipate they would have to worry about either insurgents OR terrorists, and as a result of that oversight, ended up with both…rah knows that, he just likes to toss a little confusion into the mix every now and then.

Posted by: Marysdude at September 13, 2008 2:21 PM
Comment #262941
Saddam did not want to share power with terrorists.

That’s b/c Saddam was a terrorist, smarty!!! And, now he DEAD! His thug sons were terrorists…they DEAD, too!! The former Al qaeda terrorist Zarqawi… He one DEAD b*tch, tooo! How you like dem apples.

And, the world still doesn’t have a consensus of who attacked us; however, they want us to elect Obama. Phat chance! We don’t need to listen to the world b/c we are the US and they are not. By the way, McPalin Admin will keep the terrorists at 0, as well.

It still has to suck for some of you that haven’t gotten on board! Oh well, we’ll succeed with you, without you, or inspite of you…

Posted by: rahdigly at September 13, 2008 3:41 PM
Comment #262943

>Oh well, we’ll succeed with you, without you, or in spite of you…

Posted by: rahdigly at September 13, 2008 03:41 PM>Oh well, we’ll succeed with you, without you, or in spite of you…

Posted by: rahdigly at September 13, 2008 03:41 PM>Oh well, we’ll succeed with you, without you, or in spite of you…

Posted by: rahdigly at September 13, 2008 03:41 PM>Oh well, we’ll succeed with you, without you, or in spite of you…

Posted by: rahdigly at September 13, 2008 03:41 PM

rah,

Who’s the ‘we’ you speak of?

Posted by: Marysdude at September 13, 2008 4:58 PM
Comment #262944

Sorry about the multi-entries…

Posted by: Marysdude at September 13, 2008 5:00 PM
Comment #262947
Guess that just goes to show that the rest of the world has good sense!

Really?!! Does that mean you agree with the rest of the world that can’t come to a consensus on who (actually) attacked us on 9/11?! So the majority (of Americans) don’t have “good sense” to you?!! Yikes


Who’s the ‘we’ you speak of?

Uhhh, the United States of America! Did you forget about the American side!?! Ooops! ;}

Posted by: rahdigly at September 13, 2008 5:26 PM
Comment #262950

>Uhhh, the United States of America! Did you forget about the American side!?! Ooops! ;}
Posted by: rahdigly at September 13, 2008 05:26 PM

rah,

NOPE, I didn’t overlook that possibility, but since you shoved me and some other American citizens away, I figured you must have been talking about terrorists or something…

Posted by: Marysdude at September 13, 2008 5:48 PM
Comment #262951

Really?!! Does that mean you agree with the rest of the world that can’t come to a consensus on who (actually) attacked us on 9/11?! So the majority (of Americans) don’t have “good sense” to you?!! Yikes

Perhaps what janedoe was indicating Rah is that the rest of the world does not bow at the feet of Bush and simply accept, like yourself, that every word Bushco blurts is good as gold. Bush has done more harm to this country internationally and here at home by way of poor judgment, lack of diplomacy and irresponsible actions than a dozen nine elevens would have done. The irresponsible actions he took after nine eleven are a large part of why this country has evolved into the sorry state this nation is in today. Quite simply, he is a poor leader at best. We would have been much better off had he continued his career in brush cutting.

Posted by: RickIL at September 13, 2008 5:51 PM
Comment #262952

rah, the agreement is with the desire for Obama to become POTUS !
Now answer Marysdude’s question.

Posted by: janedoe at September 13, 2008 5:51 PM
Comment #262957

Jane, I already answered that question. And, so again, you think it’s “good sense” that the rest of the world agrees, the same world that can’t agree on who the attackers were, that Obama should be President?! (Double) Yikes!!


NOPE, I didn’t overlook that possibility, but since you shoved me and some other American citizens away, I figured you must have been talking about terrorists or something…

You must have bumped your head! There’s not a sane person on this blog, who has ever read one of my comments, that would ever (EVER!) confuse me with being on the terrorist’s side. Ever!!

I use the “if the shoe fits, wear it” philosophy! So, if anyone felt like they were in the “inspite of you” category; take a second look at what you’re saying. However, that’s going to happen to many of you if you keep trying to make Bush the enemy, rather than the real enemy (the terrorists). I truly hope you take heed to that last statement b/c some of you fall into that category way too often.

Posted by: rahdigly at September 13, 2008 6:32 PM
Comment #262961

>I use the “if the shoe fits, wear it” philosophy! So, if anyone felt like they were in the “inspite of you” category; take a second look at what you’re saying. However, that’s going to happen to many of you if you keep trying to make Bush the enemy, rather than the real enemy (the terrorists). I truly hope you take heed to that last statement b/c some of you fall into that category way too often.

Posted by: rahdigly at September 13, 2008 06:32 PM

rah,

Nope…shoe don’t fit…I’m apparently more concerned about this country than you…you keep insisting that Cheney/Bush is part of the solution, not part of the problem. With that kind of attitude…well, you must be on the terrorist’s side.

We don’t think Cheney/Bush is the enemy…we think he’s a big fat liar, a sneak, a coward and is in the pocket of big oil. We think he is an unconscionable creep, who gives away good American lives for his own personal aggrandizement, but we don’t think he’s the enemy. We don’t think he knows who the enemy is…else why would ben Ladin be still at large? We don’t think the enemy was in Iraq.

Posted by: Marysdude at September 13, 2008 7:23 PM
Comment #262963

rahdigly states: Bush 7, terrorists 0.

Oh wait, who was president on September 11th and had been briefed on many occasions about Bin Laden and did nothing about it? Oh yeah that’s right GW.

Posted by: Tom at September 13, 2008 7:48 PM
Comment #262967

Let’s spread the facts (Voter Fact Sheet): http://www.aminda.com/foundation/VoterFactSheet08.pdf

Posted by: Jim Mazzu at September 13, 2008 8:46 PM
Comment #262969

Rah

However, that’s going to happen to many of you if you keep trying to make Bush the enemy

Who said Bush is the enemy? Can’t speak for the other folks here but as far as I am concerned he is merely the problem. Thankfully a short term, soon to be ex problem. But none the less directly responsible for a very large portion of what ails us. That inability to find his veto pen before the current congress led to a lot of poor policy.

Posted by: RickIL at September 13, 2008 9:30 PM
Comment #262982

It is hard to believe that 7 years later, our intelligence community is trying to track down Hezbollah here in the U.S. as a result of our politicians and misguided voters desire to keep our nations back door wide open to anyone in the world who wishes to enter our country under the cloak of darkness and anonymity.

Very hard to believe. Americans can be so very stupid at times with upside down priorities instead of cakes.

Posted by: David R. Remer at September 14, 2008 10:59 AM
Comment #262983

Can I have some of whatever it is that you are smoking or were just plain absent the day that Al Qaeda claimed responsibility for the attack on 9/11? Either way, the Shrub knew of the threat at least a month beforehand and did nothing….let me repeat that….did NOTHING to stop it, derail it, or even to lighten it.

The neocons are now rejoicing over the selection of Palin, yet another gun-toting conservative that has more baggage as a candidate than Bill Clinton had while in Office. Let me know how that works for ya in Nov.

Posted by: Mike at September 14, 2008 11:05 AM
Comment #262990


Rah: The score became 3-0-and-1 in favor of the terrorists in the time it took Bush to read My Pet Goat. The one area where Bush is leading BinLaden is in number of innocent people killed at his direction.

Bush has ordered air strikes and special forces actions in Pakistan. His stated goal, kill or capture Bin Laden before Nov, 4, 2008.

Posted by: jlw at September 14, 2008 12:28 PM
Comment #262997

Jlw, sounds like you’re bragging a bit about the score. The fact remains we haven’t had a terrorist attack on our soil since 9/11; yet, other countries have. That’s why Bush 7 terrorist 0. And, I can’t see the terrorists getting on the scoreboard with a McCain Admin, that’s for sure.

Mike,

Can I have some of whatever it is that you are smoking or were just plain absent the day that Al Qaeda claimed responsibility for the attack on 9/11?

Maybe you should ask the rest of the world as to what they are “smoking”; they’re the one’s who can’t come to a consensus as to who was behind the 9/11 attacks! (Apparently) They’re are smoking some good sh*t!

Posted by: rahdigly at September 14, 2008 2:58 PM
Comment #262998

The main lesson of 9/11 is “what price safety?” Safety was not considered to be cost effective, so thousand lost their lives, and we went to war against people who happened to live in the same countries as the individuals that we had not been able to eliminate, but has this been cost effective?

Posted by: ohrealy at September 14, 2008 3:23 PM
Comment #263001

> The fact remains we haven’t had a terrorist attack on our soil since 9/11; yet, other countries have. That’s why Bush 7 terrorist 0. And, I can’t see the terrorists getting on the scoreboard with a McCain Admin, that’s for sure.

Posted by: rahdigly at September 14, 2008 02:58 PM

rah,

And, just what do you attribute this to? Is it because our ports have been protected and are safer? Is it because no ‘evil-doer’ can steal a plane and fly it into a building? Is it because the holes are blocked in our immigration program? Is it because we have the Patriot act which allows communications to be intercepted (even those of real-honest-to-God-citizens of this country)?

My opinion is there have been no attacks over here because terrorist planning has been dominated by Iraq…if you want them here, all you have to do is ask…they’ll come running, I don’t care if Cheney/Bush, McPain/Palin or ‘O’/Biden are in charge.

In actual fact, very little has been done to make us safe from terrorists (as if that is even possible), but much has been done to create fear, make life more inconvenient and to line the pockets of companies that provide these ‘terrorist shields’.

McPain will keep us safe? From what!??!

Posted by: Marysdude at September 14, 2008 3:52 PM
Comment #263003

All of this talk about not having had another terrorist attack since 9/11 on American soil is a pretty disingenuous assertion. We have lost more than 4,000 Americans in “terrorist” attacks since 9/11 thanks to a stupid war in Iraq. That is more than we lost on 9/11. The geographic location where these men and women were killed is beside the point - all that matters is that their families will never see them again just like the victims of 9/11.

Unlike the victims of 9/11, these men and women were put in this situation through lies and distortions from the GOP leaders, including John McCain. If you add the wounded to this number we have suffered several 9/11s at the hands of Bush/Cheney/McCain.

Another thing that really sticks in my craw is this lame “we’re fighting them over there so we don’t have to fight them here” argument. It is perhaps the most bigoted thing to come out of the mouths of Bush administration officials. First, there wasn’t a terrorist problem in Iraq before we illegally invaded and occupied that country. The “terrorists” flocked to Iraq because we were there. We brought this problem on an Iraqi people that had more than enough problems of their own. Second, this statement shows that the administration doesn’t value innocent Iraqi lives. It’s ok to use them as a shield or as bait to attract “terrorists” to their country, sacrificing their children, their women, and their elderly while we strip away our civil liberties at home. Third, I don’t think Bush/Cheney/McCain can actually prove that we have stopped a single, credible terrorist attack since 9/11. They have raised the terror alert to deflect attention from their failures or to win elections but not because we were actually at risk.

Posted by: tcsned at September 14, 2008 5:00 PM
Comment #263012

Of necessity, the Israelis have probably the best intelligence program in the world. They also have one of the finest military programs in the world. They also have the means to fight terrorists better than anyone else in the world. Israel has been under almost constant attack by terrorists since 1948.

Does anyone here really think that Sabre Rattling and bravado is going to stop a terrorist attack on American soil? Does anyone here actually think Cheney/Bush has had ANY kind of influence on terrorists other than drawing them to Iraq? Does anyone here think the reason we have not had a terrorist incident here in America has something to do with actions taken since 9/11 by Cheney/Bush?

If you answered the above questions honestly, do you think McPain/Palin will make you any safer than Obama/Biden? If the only reason you might vote for McPain/Palin is your own protection from terrorists…Yehweh help you!!!!

Posted by: Marysdude at September 14, 2008 11:02 PM
Comment #263050

is there any truth to the rumor i keep hearing that sen. mccain is planning to announce he will be “reaching across the aisle” to ask hillary clinton to accept an appointment into a high-level position in his cabinet if he wins?

Posted by: bob roberts at September 15, 2008 6:15 PM
Comment #263124

timmy,

“And not one word of how we have not been hit since 9-11-01”

So are you speaking about those clowns in Florida, or that moron in Chicago, or the pizza boy with the videotape in New Jersey?

Please…..

Rocky

Posted by: Rocky Marks at September 16, 2008 5:40 PM
Comment #263493

Reverend Wright On 9/11
Here are the post 9/11 quotes attributed to Barack Hussein Obamas friend and personal mentor.
“We bombed Hiroshima, we bombed Nagasaki, and we nuked far more than the thousands in New York and the Pentagon, and we never batted an eye.”
“We have supported state terrorism against the Palestinians and black South Africans, and now we are indignant because the stuff we have done overseas is now brought right back to our own front yards. America’s chickens are coming home to roost.” (Sep 2001)

“In the 21st century, white America got a wake-up call after 9/11/01. White America and the western world came to realize that people of color had not gone away, faded into the woodwork or just ‘disappeared’ as the Great White West kept on its merry way of ignoring black concerns.” (magazine article)

With mentors who believe we brought 9/11 upon ourselves and deserved it, I cringe at the thought of Obama winning the Presidency. You need to speak out against this man or be held accountable at your own next election!

Posted by: smokedsalmon at September 19, 2008 11:32 AM
Comment #263709

smokedsalmon,

When did you say Mr. Obama gave that sermon? Do you have the link to a video of Mr. Obama giving that sermon? Do you have a transcript of the sermon Mr. Obama gave?

Duh!

Posted by: Marysdude at September 20, 2008 5:35 PM
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