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The McCain Campaign's Plan: Selling You The Stupid

The Stupid, as defined by the Liberal Blogosphere, is that quality of idiocy that may infect the public discourse, such that it creates inane event like this. The afore-linked example of the stupid is McCain beginning what will llikely be an unbearably long campaign of getting offended over meaningless crap.

It's especially ironic given the fact that Palin and company have referred to her as a vicious dog and vicious fish on many different occasions. It's the only reason that the association is even remotely being made. But Sarah Palin had decides to be more thin skinned about this than even Hillary was when she was playing the gender card with Obama in the primaries. McCain has used the same language about Hillary's policy , in 1993 and in this campaign. Yet nobody within the Clinton Campaign accused McCain of comparing her to a pig. It really would have been a mistake for her, because essentially it'd be walking right into the insult, in which case the supposedly offending party could say, "I didn't say it was you. What made you speak up?" This device, when used is called

But no, this will be the pattern of the McCain campaign. It's now the Billy Madison Campaign

Mr. Madison, what you've just said is one of the most insanely idiotic things I have ever heard. At no point in your rambling, incoherent response were you even close to anything that could be considered a rational thought. Everyone in this room is now dumber for having listened to it. I award you no points, and may God have mercy on your soul.

Continuing this tradition of dumbing down America is this next manufactured bit of stupid, where McCain artfully alleges that Obama's trying to corrupt your Kindergarteners with premature Sex-Ed. What should make this even more of an insult to your intelligence, is that other morons have made this same attack, and it's patently false. Even a reporter from CBN can get it right, while the McCain campaign purposefully seeks to make everybody in the room dumber.

This reminds me of Al Gore's comment about recycling, from the convention. the McCain campaign has already re-used attacks from the Hillary Clinton Campaign. God knows what insanity and idiocy the McCain Campaign will inflict when it stops using the talking points of campaigns which lost to Barack Obama

There's purpose to this selling of the stupid, because if the McCain Campaign can't reduce people's useful knowledge, can't ensnare people with invalid logic and inaccurate premises, they won't win. They have to lie and cheat and even steal.

And Why? It's pretty simple: if Americans go through the records that McCain and Palin actually have, actually read through what they propose, if they are not confused by misleading messages, and befuddled by bull-hockey, they won't win. This is but a sample of the insult and injury that the McCain-Palin Campaign is going to inflict upon your intelligence this fall. May God have mercy on our souls.

Posted by Stephen Daugherty at September 10, 2008 7:11 AM
Comments
Comment #262426

But Stephen the American people won’t go through and actually read about McCain and Palin. They would rather have the castrated news organizations tell us what McCain and Palin said and stand for. They would rather have fox news blare into their living rooms -their interpretation of “fair and balanced”. Sadly McCain could very well win simply because most voters don’t realize what he stands for and now with Ms. Palin on the ticket-people are falling over themselves to talk about how wonderful she is and what a breath of fresh air. They have nothing to back this up. Its kinda like the person who just found out their neighbor was a serial killer and all they can say is “I can’t believe it he was always so nice and respectful and cut his grass every week-I just can’t believe he would do that” and this as they wheel the dead bodies out of his home.

Posted by: Carolina at September 10, 2008 9:28 AM
Comment #262432

If we could just get these stupid americans who are being led like a lamb the the slaughter, to get on their pc’s and learn about what is really going on.

They insist on watching news shows like fox. We could teach them so much more on these sites:)

Posted by: Oldguy at September 10, 2008 9:52 AM
Comment #262439

Stephen D

What we are witnessing from the electorate is an American idol sensibility in which the most entertaining personality draws the crowd. McCain picked a woman who was instantly accepted and viewed as the next coming where right wing politics is concerned. Now we have people clamoring for Palin styled clothing and this morning I saw my first Palin action figure. Most of these people who instantly accepted her as the next republican goddess are so caught up in the celebrity aspect that issues simply take a back seat to entertainment value. It seems to me that the republican party caters to this rather simple minded American Idol crowd. Combine that need for celebrity idols with a little sleazy underhanded slander based in half truths and you have the formula for staging a competitive campaign that can succeed in spite of credibility with regard to the true issues of the day. They mask their lack of ability and direction with clouds of obscuring star power.

And to think that these are the folks who were so quick to deride Obama. A man with an actual vision and plan to take us out of the crisis this country is in. No matter what happens in this election the cost for recovery is going to be unimaginable and will probably take several presidential terms. The only real difference between the two is with one we will stay in a procrastination mode and continue to regress. The other will at least point us down the path of recovery which will not be easy or cheap. If the simplistic American idol crowd wins out recovery time will be exponentially advanced because it will be just that much longer before the recovery process begins.

Posted by: RickIL at September 10, 2008 10:07 AM
Comment #262441

“They mask their lack of ability and direction with clouds of obscuring star power.”

Kind of like BHO the youthful, basketball playing, messiah? Who has the support of most of the beautiful people in hollywood. I understand exactly what you mean.

Posted by: Oldguy at September 10, 2008 10:15 AM
Comment #262442

Carolina-
We live in a nation of three hundred million people who, for the most part, have more to do with their lives than pay attention to politics. At most, many will see just commercials and snippets on the news, perhaps something in their e-mails.

Do I, however, see this as reason to despair? No, reason to resist despair. Despair is what got us into our mess, all around.

Despairing at the defeat in Vietnam, we cocooned ourselves in comforting myths about how the politics of dissent caused us to lose that war.

Despairing at the steep increase in government spending and taxes, we allowed somebody to talk us into a paradigm of foolhardy fiscal irresponsibility.

Despairing at the crime around us, we became increasingly tolerant of the breaking of our civil liberties for the sake of comfort and security.

Despairing at the cost of government, we’ve let the institutions and infrastructure around us decay and stagnate.

Despairing at the horrors of 9/11, we let a mediocre leader worsen the situation, and let him stampede us to two more elections.

It was despair at our economic condition that allowed us to justify not following up our trip to the moon with serious manned exploration.

We despair of our political system, so we become cynical, detatched. And the most cynical and unscrupulous of politicians enjoy a kind of impunity from accountability, where only the most partisan folks vote, and vote the same way every time.

Despair has lead the masses in this country to forfeit most of the great power they hold between themselves, to allow themselves to be cowed into re-electing the same idiots time and again.

Why give in to despair? Our lack of hope for better things has lead us into slavery. And no, Barack Obama can’t lead ourselves out of it, though his messages appeal to those of us who want to free ourselves. No, this is a slavery, a prison for our minds that we must break ourselves.

I began my blogging career on the notion that the mistakes that were being made in Iraq and at home were not necessary, but the product of rigid ideology and bad leadership, that even if we couldn’t get things right all at once, we could certainly start putting the pressures on the situation that would evolve our situation towards better times.

oldguy-
I didn’t say that people were stupid. I said McCain was trying to make fools out of them, con them into something they would not consent to if fully and properly informed.

As for FOX? They could certainly do better. Talking Points Memo is a good site for this. It’s liberal, but it’s an excellent source of hard-facts journalism.

Posted by: Stephen Daugherty at September 10, 2008 10:16 AM
Comment #262443
if Americans go through the records that McCain and Palin actually have, actually read through what they propose,

And here we get to the heart of it.

But is your view of what American’s want right?

Sixty-two percent (62%) of voters say encouraging economic growth in America is more important than closing the gap between the rich and poor, and the best way to do that is for the government to move out of the way.

The latest Rasmussen Reports national telephone survey found that 32% of voters take the opposite view, and say reducing the gap between the rich and poor is more important. A survey conducted back in January found that 53% of voters said creating economic growth was more important, while 40% said that of reducing the economic class gap.

Posted by: Rhinehold at September 10, 2008 10:19 AM
Comment #262444

How do you guys know its not the liberal positions on the issues that people use to justify their vote?
Why are people ignorant, stupid or suffering from American Idol Syndrom, if they don’t take your opinions as facts and see things as you see them?

No wonder what was easily a landslide has turned into a close horserace.

Posted by: kctim at September 10, 2008 10:23 AM
Comment #262446

BHO does have his star appeal, but it is because he is well educated, well spoken, well read, coherent and very bright. He doesn’t shy away from difficult questions or abrasive interviews (he did go on the O’Rielly factor and handled him very well) which cannot be said for the other candidates.

Sarah Palin is being shielded from interviews from anyone whom will ask tough questions (Charlie Gibson will lob softballs that were likely leaked pre-interview, so I would be suprised if she even squirms), and McCain sticks to the script and when he has a tough question, the POW card comese out.

Posted by: dulcetpine at September 10, 2008 10:28 AM
Comment #262452

“Why are people ignorant, stupid or suffering from American Idol Syndrom, if they don’t take your opinions as facts and see things as you see them?”

Thats not why they are suffering from American Idol syndrome kctim. But anybody that would believe McCain/Palin on change you really have to wonder about. To listen to them at an event and to believe their fighting the repub party and business as usual .. it takes a very gullible person to swallow that. Why you would think, to hear them tell it, that McCain is new to DC and isnt part of the problem.
Obama says it best “lipstick on a pig.”

BTW it was always gonna be a tight race, America is divided. There might have been some screaming and handwaving but it was always gonna be tight. To expect any less was just wishful thinking.

Posted by: j2t2 at September 10, 2008 10:48 AM
Comment #262454

oldguy-
McCain has has had uncredited cameos on 24 and the feature film Wedding Crashers He’s been on the Tonight Show more than Pamela Anderson and announced his candidacy on David Letterman.

Plus, he already announced for President in 2000, and has maintained a high political profile since. By any stretch of the word, McCain is a celebrity. Obama is charming, eloquent and a very smart man who can put his intelligence forward with well chosen words. McCain, therefore, has to make being well-spoken, handsome, and charismatic bad things.

It’s nice to see you’re joining with John McCain to celebrate mediocrity in our leadership. He’s popular with our allies overseas. Good thing, right? No, your side says, he can only elicit support from Americans. I mean, let’s be honest, that’s the kind of thing a spoiled brat says to get more attention from their parents. I don’t think most Americans are that needy. They can share their president with the world. Only trouble is, we’ve got a president we’re not particularly keen on sharing, and who folks aren’t especially enchanted by. Leave it to the Republicans to look at a bad situation and decide that this is the best of all possible worlds.

I don’t mind having a popular, charismatic, interesting, smart person as President. As far as my involvement goes, that’s the idea. I don’t want another wooden fenceboard running on my ticket. It doesn’t hurt that he has substance to match.

kctim-
Like I’ve said to oldguy: I don’t think people are stupid, I think the McCain campaign and the Republicans in general are trying to make fools out of them, to get them to continue policies they otherwise reject.

I know enough about the complexities of the media and getting messages out to know that information doesn’t always diffuse easily or cleanly in the real world.

The question is, do you think Americans are stupid? Do you think they deserve nothing better than deception and sleaze, because that’s what the McCain campaign is giving them. They deserve better.

Posted by: Stephen Daugherty at September 10, 2008 10:51 AM
Comment #262456

Rhinehold-
The question is more complex than that. If you asked them whether banks and mortgage companies needed more regulation, would they tend to answer no? If you asked them whether companies finances needed to be policed, or whether consumer protections needed to be improved, I think they’d say yes.

The Republicans have done a good job of priming people on the overall question to believe in government getting out of the way, but if you look at things on a finer scale of detail, you would see people were concerned about the stability of our markets.

Posted by: Stephen Daugherty at September 10, 2008 10:58 AM
Comment #262460

oldguy

Kind of like BHO the youthful, basketball playing, messiah? Who has the support of most of the beautiful people in hollywood. I understand exactly what you mean.

Exactly! I thought about including this comparison in my reply. But decided to leave it for someone else to point out. Point proven I guess. The true difference is that the beautiful guy actually sees a need to move beyond the reality we are in. Thanks oldguy for affirming my thoughts.

Posted by: RickIL at September 10, 2008 11:06 AM
Comment #262464

The fact is the republican vice presidential candidate used her power to manipulate the system to steal money from her state for personal use (i.e. the 300 and some days per diem at home). If her work station was Juneau she should have been in Juneau. It was her manupulative choice to work out of Anchorage.

This is a deal that would get any other state employee fired. But the republican media machine makes the rules as always.

Posted by: Schwamp at September 10, 2008 11:08 AM
Comment #262467

I don’t think anyone’s stupid, but Republicans have grossly misrepresented her experience and accomplishments.

Posted by: Max at September 10, 2008 11:22 AM
Comment #262469

Why are people ignorant, stupid or suffering from American Idol Syndrom, if they don’t take your opinions as facts and see things as you see them?

Fact is republicans had unfettered and uncompromising control of congress and the executive for six of the last eight years. They played the obstructionist role in the last two of those eight years. What has it gotten us? Tell me how I, yourself or our country as a whole is better off or not worse off than at the onset of the GW years. Do you really believe this country is headed in the right direction? If not just how, beyond campaign slogans and false promise, is McCain republican policy going to lead us out of our current crises? Are his proposals long term or short term? Are they any different than those of the past eight years? Are the drop in the bucket sum of refused ear marks going to get us over the top? Is more tax cuts for a country that is currently bankrupt, existing in deficit mode and approaching 10 trillion dollars in national debt really a responsible action?

Posted by: RickIL at September 10, 2008 11:24 AM
Comment #262471

Old,

We’ve had this ethics/honor discussion before, so I assume you’d rather hear about how ‘elitist’, ‘unpatriotic’, ‘celebric’, ‘energy ignotant’, ‘perverted’ and callous for using the term ‘lip stick’, Obama is, than to how your candidate stands on real issues. If that is so…what are you doing here? You can get that crap from McPain’s campaign ads.

Posted by: Marysdude at September 10, 2008 11:28 AM
Comment #262473

dude

I know this is off topic. Don’t know if you have gone back and checked, but I posted those numbers by race for the RNC over in the Sea of Whiteness thread. There is a link there to the site.

Posted by: RickIL at September 10, 2008 11:35 AM
Comment #262474

This is what I love about my candidate. To borrow the tagline from Oliver Willis’ site, Obama is like Kryptonite to stupid.

Posted by: Stephen Daugherty at September 10, 2008 11:36 AM
Comment #262475

Democrats need to ignore McCain Selling The Stupid to the Religious and Angry Wal-Martyrs. Instead, we need to focus on what actually matters:
The issues.
The future of our country.
Our children’s futures.

This is what Obama is doing. And we to quit worrying about the crazy Rovian sh*t that McSame is pulling, and follow our level-headed, calm and collected candidates lead.

McCain’s campaign has become a Clown Show.
Most Americans aren’t clowns.
The greater majority of our citizens - be they Liberal and Progressive, Independent, or Republican and Conservative — know this country is in very bad and ever-worsening shape at present. Americans know we need leadership who is going to provide some answers.
Obama is the only candidate who has put a lot of thought into providing us with answers, and has been talking intelligently about what we’re going to have to do going forward.

McCain and Palin are running a Clown Side Show and clearly haven’t come up with a intelligent and cohesive plan for this nation going forward. They attack, attack, and lie, lie, lie.
But what does that do for America?
Nothing. It does nothing.

Sure, Americans may love Entertainment, but I get the sense that the vast majority of us aren’t stupid enough to vote for another Clown Show after the Disaster of the Bush Years.
Clownishly restarting The Culture War isn’t going to fix what desperately needs fixing.
This fact will sink in eventually with our citizens.

Watch Obama. He’s letting McCain and Palin conduct their Clown Show of selling the stupid and attacking, attacking, and lying, and lying. Because he knows Americans aren’t going to buy that right now. There’s simply too much at stake.

Rope a Dope — that’s Obama’s game.
Chess, not Checkers.
McCain is swinging like mad — but he’s not going to win. Obama will — with all of our help.

Yes We Can!!!

Posted by: Veritas Vincit at September 10, 2008 11:40 AM
Comment #262484

RickIL,

Thanks ever so much for the RNC attendance data.

Posted by: Marysdude at September 10, 2008 12:10 PM
Comment #262485

J2
Other than talk and wishful thinking, what proof do you have that Obama/Biden isn’t part of the same DC problem? None.

If the Democratic party would have put up a Democrat instead of liberal, this election would have already been decided.

Stephen
As Obama and McCain have shown, policy is not set in stone. Heck, Obama has a far-left liberal record but is running with more moderate ideas. His policies change daily.

Fact is, some Americans are stupid and they do deserve nothing better than deception and sleaze for as long as they think only their party is the answer and the only ones peddling such things.

Posted by: kctim at September 10, 2008 12:12 PM
Comment #262488

what proof do you have that Obama/Biden isn’t part of the same DC problem?

Palin has repeated her claim over and over and over again that she said “thanks, but no thanks” to the bridge to nowhere, even though this has been shown to be untrue. Same goes with her claims toward her other accomplishments.

Honestly, who does this? The only time I have heard of someone campaigning on blatant, in your face lies like this is in communist Russia.

Posted by: Max at September 10, 2008 12:22 PM
Comment #262489

RickIL
“If not just how, beyond campaign slogans and false promise, is McCain republican policy going to lead us out of our current crises?”

I don’t believe his policy will, but since I believe Obama’s campaign is nothing but slogans and false promises and I don’t believe that Obama’s liberal policy will lead us out of anything, you make that association.

Fact is Rick, you are voting for the candidate who will push the agenda you agree with, and you are only hoping he will change the things that concern you.
This election isn’t about change, its about party.

Posted by: kctim at September 10, 2008 12:33 PM
Comment #262490

>If the Democratic party would have put up a Democrat instead of liberal, this election would have already been decided.

Posted by: kctim at September 10, 2008 12:12 PM

kc,

I hate to bring this up in your hour of power, but the Democratic Party did put up a Democrat…he just happens to lean liberal. Don’t worry, by the time of the election, he’ll be a centrist, much like Clinton only not as horney. We have a bright future, if only we can show the American people, what a bunch of status Quo kids are lined up on the other side.

I’m sorry your Barr or Paul, or Nadar can’t become the knight in shining armor you wish for, but hey, ‘O’, is even better for YOU than McPain.

Posted by: Marysdude at September 10, 2008 12:34 PM
Comment #262495

Max
So, the proof you have that Obama/Biden aren’t part of the same DC problem, is how you interpret what Palin really means?
Forgive me, but what you want everybody to believe about Palin has nothing to do with Biden/Obama being nothing but the same thing they are complaining about.

Dude
The Dems had two choices:
Take advantage and put up a real Democrat who would compromise and work for all and win in a landslide, OR, put up a far-left liberal who will pretend to be moderate but will still push a far-left liberal agenda onto everybody and hope for a win.

“I’m sorry your Barr or Paul, or Nadar can’t become the knight in shining armor you wish for”

No need to feel sorry. Unlike most, I understand that its the knight, not the shining armor, that is of most importance.

“‘O’, is even better for YOU than McPain”

Maybe, if I placed what I feel I am entitled to ahead of my rights and freedoms.

Posted by: kctim at September 10, 2008 1:04 PM
Comment #262496

McCain should be ashamed of himself.

“You know you can wrap an old fish in a piece of paper called change, it’s still going to stink after eight years.”

Just change barracuda to fish and you can say anything you want to about your competition. Yeh right whatever! People aren’t stupid, they’re lazy!

Posted by: Mike the Cynic at September 10, 2008 1:05 PM
Comment #262499

Maybe a better quote would be Abraham Lincoln’s “ How many legs does a dog have if you call the tail a leg? Four. Calling a tail a leg doesn’t make it a leg.

Just putting lipstick on a pig doesn’t change anything, it’s still a pig.

No! I wasn’t calling Palin a dog!

Posted by: Mike the Cynic at September 10, 2008 1:28 PM
Comment #262508

kctim-
If you think Obama’s a firebreathing liberal, then you haven’t looked around the blogs on our side enough. As far as compromise goes, this is the guy who let the Clintons have a major role in his convention after he essentially took the party over from them. Were he truly a radical, he wouldn’t bother, he’d just declare victory and take the hit on the Hillary supporters.

As for what you think this election is about? I guess that’s just a place where we disagree. For you, it may be about parties, but for many Democrats, it can be summed up by one word: enough.

Party-wise, the Democrats at the base level, the rank and file are sick of losing, sick of our party cowering in the face of the Republicans. That’s where you get some of the more heated and personal attacks on Palin.

Trick about that, for me and others, was that we weren’t all party ideologues. Many of us were the kind of folks who would compromise, who were willing to gradually grow the country out of the Right Wing’s dominance. Pragmatists like me counselled patience in the late 90’s, an incrementalist approach routed through a gradual relaxation of the divisive politics.

Even as recently as 2001-2003, I was hardly what you would call a party activist. What radicalized me, you could say, was the policy failures of the Bush Administration. I came to realize, like many, that the ugly politics of the Administration and its dysfunctional policy were all of one piece.

I realized that I could not compromise on the politics and count on things changing for the better. McCain’s shown through his campaign that he’s not going to be any differently.

I tell you what I see in Obama: watch that video I linked above, and you’ll see his appeal to the younger generations: he cuts through the BS. Eloquence isn’t merely good writing and presentation, it’s meaningful presentation of facts and ideas. While politicians like McCain and Obama, and even Clinton seem to be living in parallel universes with strange customs and manners, Obama seems to relate to the real world, and talk about things in terms that actually connect to reality.

I voted for Obama and continue to advocate for him because I see in him a way for politics and pragmatism to once again come together, so that policy is set first according to the needs of the situation, not according to the advice of a political consultant like Karl Rove or some other useless parasite.

Posted by: Stephen Daugherty at September 10, 2008 1:59 PM
Comment #262509

“Other than talk and wishful thinking, what proof do you have that Obama/Biden isn’t part of the same DC problem? None.”

kctim The problem is the Libertarian and Predator Cons calling political bribery free speech. Corporations buying politicians. They all are guilty or they wouldnt be able to be elected. Obama just recognizes the problem and has said so. McCain knows the problem and in fact has hired 7 lobbyest to run his campaign to make sure we get more corporate fascism in the future.


Posted by: j2t2 at September 10, 2008 2:00 PM
Comment #262517

Stephen
I frequent blogs like DU way too much and most of the talk is about Obama having to play to the center just to get elected, and how his administration will not be this week centrist thing we see now.
A liberal Dem working with a not so liberal Dem to get her votes? That type of compromise must be hard to find.

“but for many Democrats, it can be summed up by one word: enough”

You mean “enough of Republicans” Stephen, not enough of messed up govt, and that will not change anything.
You will still condemn McCain for taking money while justifying Obama taking money by saying its not as much. You will still ignore Obama’s lack of experience to be President while complaining about Palins lack of experience to be VP. On and on and on. Ignore or justify ones own side at all costs while condemning the otherside for the same thing.

The problem isn’t who is “Selling You The Stupid,” its “Who is buying the stupid being sold.”
You blame the Republicans, they blame the Democrats. You both believe only your party can be right and that the other party is evil.
That is how it is now and how it will be for the next term under Obama, except worse.
Nothing will change.

Posted by: kctim at September 10, 2008 2:49 PM
Comment #262522

kctim,

I’m still trying to figure out how many different ways Obama is going to spend the Iraq dividend when he pulls us out of Iraq, possibly, unless there is a civil war.

It was going to be 5,000,000 new jobs, now I hear it is going to be to pay for tax rebates, rebates he tells us are bad for us. He is now saying that the economy is in too bad of shape to avoid doing it, does that mean when he proposed it a few months ago the economy was in better shape? Isn’t he saying that McCain is out of touch for saying the same things? And wasn’t the DEM congress calling for tax rebates in July as well?

Posted by: NObamaBot at September 10, 2008 3:14 PM
Comment #262523

RickIL,
It seems to me that the republican party caters to this rather simple minded American Idol crowd. Combine that need for celebrity idols with a little sleazy underhanded slander based in half truths and you have the formula for staging a competitive campaign that can succeed in spite of credibility with regard to the true issues of the day.

That is a pretty low blow. It calls all of us who support conservative policies literally “simple minded”, impugns our character, and implies we do not care for “real issues” all at once.

So, when I say abortion is a real issue to me am I lying about the sanctity of innocent life? When I say free markets are important to me and I can show the reasons I don’t think those markets are being given a fair shake by such governmental boondoggles as Fannie Mae, am I just being brain damaged? When I give examples from my own brother’s business of how high taxes and the dagger of the alternative minimum tax have literally cost jobs am I just following an “American Idol” sensibility?
Finally, when I see in Sarah Palin someone who has stood up to the corrupt power structure of the party that claims to represent me, have investigated the claims, the vast majority of which have turned out to be either half-truths or outright fabrications by political hacks seeking any kind of advantage, and found nearly every contemporary report of her activities to support her as a woman of courage and character, am I playing a mindless puppet?

Use caution in answering.

Posted by: Lee Jamison at September 10, 2008 3:21 PM
Comment #262529

Kctim

This election isn’t about change, its about party.

If this election is only about party to you, then you are indeed part of the problem. And to you I say you deserve everything you will not get under McCain.

For me this election has nothing to do with party. It has to do with bringing this nation out of a state of regression created by eight years of very poor and irresponsible republican policy. Do you not understand the enormity of the situation this country is in. This is not a stand up after the elections and say: “how about that s—t, we kicked your conservative as—s”. Now lets get on with business as usual.” chest thumping game. It may be for you, but for me and anyone with half a lick of common sense it is about the very clear reality that this country is in dire straits. McCain has offered us no vision for a way out. Period. Why in the hell would anyone see that as some sort of a good thing. Unless of course they simply don’t realize how bad things really are, or it is indeed just a game to them.

Posted by: RickIL at September 10, 2008 3:44 PM
Comment #262531

Lee -

Is Sarah Palin a woman of character? Hm.

The Alaskan Independence Party wants independence for Alaska from America. Their founder said to encourage their children to say they’re ‘Alaskan’, not ‘American’. He also said, “The fires of hell are as frozen glaciers compared to my hatred of the American government.” and “I will not be buried under that damn flag!” (referring to the American flag, of course).

Now consider the FACT that Sarah Palin gave the welcoming speech at the Alaskan Independence Party’s convention earlier THIS year.

Yes, Ms. Palin certainly has character - but her voluntary actions as GOVERNOR encouraging those who are AGAINST America cause me to seriously question her judgment…and the judgment of McCain, who chose her to be his running mate.

Posted by: Glenn Contrarian at September 10, 2008 3:49 PM
Comment #262532

Lee,

Looking for issues you believe in or agree with is the fine art of politics…and when McPain/Palin can give that to you along with a stronger economy, and a better relation with our foreign neighbors, and a shorter sojourn in Iraq…well…you get my point. They sell you a bill of goods without the slightest intention of carrying it out, because that would mean moving away from the last eight years and the people they owe for those eight glorious years. If you buy that pig-in-the-poke…well…

Posted by: Marysdude at September 10, 2008 4:00 PM
Comment #262535

RickIL
What “vision” has Obama offered us?
Bring our troops home immediately? No, its the same phased withdrawal as McCain. Unless you believe the lies that McCain wants to be there for a hundred years.
How about the ever increasing debt that is way out of control? No, Obama wishes to add to it.
I know, he will get rid of King Bushs’ wiretaps, right? No, he signed that didn’t he.
Corruption? Well, he does “say” he will deal with that - so does McCain.
Work across the isle? Yep, he “says” he is all for that - so does McCain.
The 2nd Amendment? Well, he used to be against it, but now he believes in an individuals right - so does McCain.

Dang Rick. Other than the party name and where they stand on a few issues, how do these two guys differ all that much?
Oh, thats right, McCain is an evil Republican.

This country is in “dire straits” Rick, but anybody with a “lick of sense” knows that you don’t give a finger to save a finger.

Posted by: kctim at September 10, 2008 4:10 PM
Comment #262539

“when I see in Sarah Palin someone who has stood up to the corrupt power structure of the party that claims to represent me,”

“Lee she did more than stood up to them she danced with them until she got where she needed to be.”

“when I see in Sarah Palin someone who has stood up to the corrupt power structure of the party that claims to represent me, have investigated the claims, the vast majority of which have turned out to be either half-truths or outright fabrications by political hacks seeking any kind of advantage,”

Seems we can agree on this also Lee, her claims are half truths perpetrated by the repubs to gain an advantage.


“and found nearly every contemporary report of her activities to support her as a woman of courage and character, am I playing a mindless puppet?”

No Lee you are not a mindless puppet at all IMHO. In fact just the opposite you seem to be a very intelligent person. However just like me, you too can buy into stupid at times. Buying into stupid and being stupid are 2 different things.

Why do you think that because she claimed to stand up to corruption in Alaska, which we agree is a half truth,that she is an agent of change for the republican party in DC? What do you think she will do as a VP, to the republican party , root out the corruption and pervasive evilness that has damaged the party to the point they can’t stand themselves. Shouldn’t she be doing her job as Vice President instead, and save the salvaging of the republican party to the RNC and hopefully the voters? Do you think by rewarding the bad behavior of the repubs by voting for them, they will change their behavior?

Wouldn’t the intelligent thing to do would be to have the repubs go away, fix their problems then come back rather than divert the new “messiah from Wasilla’s” attention away from the job of Vice President? Let her lead the RNC in a house cleaning Lee,show the American people the repubs are for real. That would show real courage and character to me Lee not this false courage and character, or as it is also called corruption and malfeaseance, we have seen from the repubs the past 7 years

Posted by: j2t2 at September 10, 2008 4:24 PM
Comment #262542

Watch that dude…..another pig comment… ;)

Posted by: janedoe at September 10, 2008 4:42 PM
Comment #262543

kctim-
Try DKos. If DU is the suburbs, DKos is the city. The thing to keep in mind is that when you’re there, you’re amongst Liberals who no longer bother to hide it or allow liberal to be treated as a four letter word. If anything, the change for Democrats these past few years has been about regaining our pride. You may not like that, you may think it evil, but in reality, Democrats are just tired of being the “learned helplessness” side of the political equation.

Which is to say that you’ve had one aggressively dominant party, and one party that’s been kind of a doormat, where members sought power through triangulation. Unfortunately for that set-up, The Bush Administration has essentially wrecked that system. The average Democrat on the street no longer considers Clinton-style Reagan centrism a legitimate compromise.

Enough means, we want a President and a Congress which is truly serious about policy. We’re not settling for less. DKos and sites like it aren’t blindly supporting Democrats. They’re being very picky about it. They want people who are real Democrats, rather than Republicans lite.

This should be a good thing. What I think people don’t want is more games playing. What they really want are both parties competing to do things the best, to win on policy. The Republicans, though, want to stick with the Karl Rove status quo: win at any costs, but don’t do the actual work it takes to run the country, because you can just bluster your way out of that.

Lee Jamison-
Use Caution in answering?

Sarah Palin climbed up on the backs of the corrupt. She ran a 527 for the currently indicted Sen. Stevens, and he filmed a commercial endorsing her. She kept the money after Congress killed the earmark for her bridge to nowhere, which she enthusiastically supported, especially, she said, in a time when the Congressional delegation was at its greatest strength.

All this is documented. So are all the earmarks she requested as governor from Congress, earmarks which gave her the highest per capita earmark total of anybody, and ten times more than Obama, whose Earmarks she had the temerity to complain about. So is a newspaper report with her handwriting saying “We did well!” in regards to some earmarks. So is her hiring of a lobbyist and her addiction of her town to Earmarks, which it previously didn’t get many of.

Despite all you might say, she’s a politician who was part of that culture, not a crusader who was apart from that system.

Posted by: Stephen Daugherty at September 10, 2008 4:44 PM
Comment #262545

Lee

Conservatism has not been practiced by any politician in this country for at the very least eight years.

What I am saying is that our very obvious and omnipresent current energy and economic crisis has dictated a new order of priority for this country. What I see is a conservative party that would like to steer the general public away from the priority issues because basically those issues are the result of poor republican policy. And the republican party really has no credible avenue of attack on those issues. They propose to continue in the same failed direction of the last eight years. You can argue all you want about the values of giving back what we don’t have and living each second of everyday on borrowed money, but the reality is that these concepts have led us into a recession and maybe worse at some point in time.

I see Palin as another diversion aimed at steering people away from those issues. I will not deny that she seems to be a bright and articulate woman who likes to kill moose. But lets face it she is probably more to the right than Cheney is and her credible experience at the national or worldwide level is very very questionable. She is the fist VP candidate I am aware of that has not been able to come off the selection stage and go right to work. That says a lot to me. I know we could argue this forever, which is something I really don’t care to do, because quite frankly I am bored with it and McCain is the immediate concern here, not Palin.

I respect your right to things such as abortion issues and do realize that are as much a concern to you as my issues are to me. I do in all honestly think that the enormity of our current economic condition and the resulting domino effect presents us with a crisis that simply trumps all these side issue at this point in time.

I am not implying that conservatives are stupid, just that some are easily misled. I am saying that the GOP demonstrates a lacking of scruples in the process. It is my opinion that the GOP plays the American people like a fiddle at hillbilly fest by way of distraction and false implication. The problem is that there are way to many that are willing to unquestioningly follow their lead.

Posted by: RickIL at September 10, 2008 4:46 PM
Comment #262548

kctim

Obama Issues

Have a look tim. It is all detailed. Change will not happen overnight. But we have to start somewhere. There is one thing we can bank on this election year. McCain offers no direction or opportunity for recovery. Only an extension of more proven failed Bush republican policy.

Posted by: RickIL at September 10, 2008 4:55 PM
Comment #262554

RickIL,

You can argue all you want about the values of giving back…

Precisely, except we’re not arguing about “giving” back, but about confiscating what others have earned so that Democrats can feel good about themselves, whether what they “give” does real good or not. For example, was the percentage of people in the country living in poverty lower in 1980 than it was before the beginning of the Great Society in the 1960s?

No.

Were black children more likely to go to prison if they were born in the 1930s or if they were born in the 1960s?

1960s

Were black children more likely to have been born to unwed mothers in 1960 or 1980.

1980

Were those mothers more likely to be teenagers in 1960 or 1980?

1980

Some welfare! Some Great Society! Some sexual revolution!

Posted by: Lee Jamison at September 10, 2008 5:26 PM
Comment #262561

Lee -

“was the percentage of people in the country living in poverty lower in 1980 than it was before the beginning of the Great Society in the 1960s?”

You said ‘no’. WRONG! You didn’t provide ANY reference, did you? But according to the U.S. Census Bureau, the poverty rate at the beginning of LBJ’s presidency was 19.5%, but in 1980 it was 13.0%

OOOPS!

“Were black children more likely to go to prison if they were born in the 1930s or if they were born in the 1960s?”

You said in the 1960’s. I wonder where you got THAT from, other than your own assumption, because the DofJ stats for this only go back to 1977 as far as I’ve been able to find. I do know this - it was seldom that a black man got a fair trial then (or at least down South it was that way). But let’s ASSUME that you’re right. Was it because of the social programs you rail against even though the poverty rate had dropped by nearly a THIRD? Or was it because of the abysmal failure of the ‘War on Drugs’?

Were black children more likely to have been born to unwed mothers in 1960 or 1980.

You said, “1980”. Again, no reference, and I don’t see one anywhere - but YOU SEEM TO BE MAKING THIS A ‘BLACK’ THING. If you’d look, this was true for ALL races, not just African-Americans. Not only that, but what was the employment rate for women in 1960 compared to 1980? And what were the changes in the divorce laws between then and 1980? And perhaps MOST importantly, how many women had higher education in 1980 compared to 1960?

“Were those mothers more likely to be teenagers in 1960 or 1980?”

You said “1980”. Again, no reference, though probably true IMO. And AGAIN, considering your two previous questions, you seem to be making this a ‘BLACK’ thing when it applied to ALL races and not just African-Americans.

SUMMARY:

You were flat wrong and caught when it came to your claims on the poverty rate. You made assumptions without references concerning African-Americans without any acknowledgment that your claims ALSO applied to every other race here in America.

Dude, you got issues.

Posted by: Glenn Contrarian at September 10, 2008 6:02 PM
Comment #262568

Glen

Thanks for covering that. I am terrible with numbers and sure as hell did not want to have to go look all that stuff up. I think I interpreted his response the same way you did. I don’t believe the race thing with respect to social services is a direction I care to pursue. I get a headache trying to skirt around all the possible implications when discussing race issues with irrational people. I grew up and have lived in good ‘ol boy country most of my life. And trust me I have heard more than my fair share of race and welfare comments as I am sure most of us have.

Posted by: RickIL at September 10, 2008 6:40 PM
Comment #262581

This was just released a short time ago, and shows how the McPalin campaign twists things …

http://www.factcheck.org/elections-2008/mccain-palin_distorts_our_finding.html

Posted by: janedoe at September 10, 2008 9:34 PM
Comment #262583

janedoe

Thanks for the link. I was just heading over there to take a look see at what might be new. Good and very revealing information about what in reality we all knew already. I particularly like this one.

Digging for “Dirt”

The ad also quotes the Wall Street Journal as saying that the Obama campaign “air-dropped a mini-army of 30 lawyers, investigators and opposition researchers to dig dirt on Governor Palin.” That’s also a distortion. The Wall Street Journal opinion article did not say that the Obama team was there to “dig dirt.” It said they were there do “dig into her record and background.” Maybe the McCain-Palin campaign knows something we don’t about what’s in Palin’s record and background.

Posted by: RickIL at September 10, 2008 9:43 PM
Comment #262585

Rick, it just amazes me that the press has cut her so much slack!!!
There is truly a double set of standards for “us”, but I’m not sure who lays down the rules as far as when, and how they are applied and followed. Maybe that doesn’t make sense to anyone..(male)..guess you hadtabeenthere…

Posted by: janedoe at September 10, 2008 9:51 PM
Comment #262588

janedoe

Near as I can tell proper ethics has no bearing on political campaigns. What really bothers me is that the main stream media could very easily monitor this stuff. But they don’t even attempt to. If they did it would mean less controversy resulting in less viewership. Instead they just play along and sensationalize it. But then few media outlets in this day and age hold any credibility. Most of them have turned into a circus of deceptive sensationalism. I guess we just have to live with the fact that right now she is the most marketable personality on the board. The fact that she wasn’t able to step off the stage and go to work really says a lot. And I think that will eventually set in with people as her novelty wears off and she has to go face to face against some more seasoned politicians.

I smile when I think about the enormity of the crash course that she as a political novice has to take just to get up to par at the national level. So far from what I have seen, all of her and McCains campaign speeches have consisted of nothing more than repeated slogans and promise of change. Absolutely nothing of any substance to date. I wonder how long their team can survive on nothing more than that before it becomes apparent they are nothing more than preachers of fraud. It’s a good thing we have fact check and the Daily Show to expose bulls—t wherever it may exist.

Posted by: RickIL at September 10, 2008 10:41 PM
Comment #262591
“Make no mistake about this, Hillary Clinton is as qualified or more qualified than I am to be Vice President of the United States of America.” “Quite frankly, it might have been a better pick than me. I mean that sincerely. She is first rate. So lets get that straight.”

Ouch. Something looming in the background?

Posted by: Rhinehold at September 10, 2008 11:00 PM
Comment #262595

BTW, I find it interesting that Obama wants to get into a conversation about ‘pork’, considering his record compared to McCain’s…

Posted by: Rhinehold at September 10, 2008 11:29 PM
Comment #262599

Rhinehold-
Biden was defending Hillary against a person who was trying to set him up as superior to her. He was doing the gracious thing, and he made one of those verbal mistakes that folks on the Right mistake for substantive issues these days.

As for McCain? Ask about the Indian Affairs committee, and all the documents he sealed. Ask about his influence as the chair of a number of committees. Earmarks are a diversion in more ways than one when you’re looking at corruption. Appropriations is where the real business on spending goes. Do you think all those Lobbyists would surround and work for John McCain if Earmarks were all the mischief a Senator with seniority could get into?

Posted by: Stephen Daugherty at September 10, 2008 11:56 PM
Comment #262602

So, it’s ok that Obama goes out and talks about ending earmarks and pork when he has one of the worst records on them himself, Biden may actually be worse…

As for the Bridge, Obama had the chance, twice, to vote against it and he voted for it every time, even passing up a chance to send the money to New Orleans for hurricane victims instead.

In 2008 alone he had his name attached to 52 separate earmarks, totalling $89,784,790. Yet, we are supposed to believe he brings CHANGE to Washington? Well, those are pretty large bills, perhaps he should…

But it’s McCain who is the enemy here, even though he has 0, *0*, earmarks?

Oh yeah, there must be SOMETHING there, he’s a republican after all. Good Logic.

Posted by: Rhinehold at September 11, 2008 12:13 AM
Comment #262603
At the Democratic National Convention last month, Obama promised to take action against wasteful spending.

“I will also go through the federal budget line by line eliminating programs that no longer work,” he told 84,000 people at Invesco Field in Denver.

But this year, Obama voted against cutting $23 billion in federal programs rated ineffective by the Office of Management and Budget.

Actions speak louder than words…

Posted by: Rhinehold at September 11, 2008 12:15 AM
Comment #262610

Stephen/Rhinehold:

What does it say that McCain is just finishing two weeks of a surprise attack with Palin and basically Obama doesn’t really have a clue yet how to respond to her?

I am just thinking about the enemies of the United States, watching Obama with the Georgia thing and the Palin thing. It looks to me like Obama is really struggling with surprises. He does great with speeches etc. but not so much with something out of the blue.

I also think some are talking about replacing Biden with Clinton as was spoken of above. I am trying to think of how that would play out. Actually if I were Hillary I would probably say no at this point.

I think Obama is in real trouble about now. He lost two weeks, and now it looks like ABC news is going to keep Palin going through the weekend.

Palin has to be about the most brilliant tactical move in presidential politics in a generation. It has been absolutely amazing to watch.

Posted by: Craig Holmes at September 11, 2008 2:08 AM
Comment #262612

It’s absolutely ludicrous to put Palin and brilliant in the same zip code !

Posted by: janedoe at September 11, 2008 2:28 AM
Comment #262614

“Palin has to be about the most brilliant tactical move in presidential politics in a generation. It has been absolutely amazing to watch.”

Craig I think it has been more than just Palin. McCain/Palin has also stolen Obama/Bidens change theme and more amazing is people have actually believed them. Keeping Palin sequestered from reporters for 2 weeks has prevented any hard questions from being answered. If people dont ask why she can’t campaign on her own it might continue to work. The addition of Rove to the campaign has put Mark Twains “A lie travels around the world faster than the truth can put on shoes” into play and has been used admirably by the repubs. In addition the manipulation of the corporate media has also contributed to the repub cause as the lipstick on a pig lie has demonstrated. If the repubs can continue to keep issues and reality away from the people of this country we could be in for more of the same. But its not over yet 2 months is a long time to hide a VP candidate and to continue to manipulate the media to the degree shown lately.
But yes they deserve a hand and it has been amazing to watch.

Posted by: j2t2 at September 11, 2008 2:51 AM
Comment #262619

New (additional and faster) format …

http://wire.factcheck.org/

Posted by: janedoe at September 11, 2008 3:35 AM
Comment #262620

Craig:

Palin has to be about the most brilliant tactical move in presidential politics in a generation.

Bloody hilarious. You mean Palin the serial liar? The Alaskan Secessionist? The batsh*t crazy vindictive governor? The mouthbreathing, Speaks-In-Tongues Religious Extremist? The Neocon on steroids? The vice presidential candidate who is completely unwilling to speak to the press because she doesn’t know a damn thing about running this country, and they’re so paranoid and currently trying to rapidly program her so she won’t make as many idiotic gaffes as McCain has made during this campaign?
I’m sure there’s got to be a word for it, but brilliant? Nah, that’s not it.

Allow me to tell you what Palin is: a shiny but totally empty object that John McCain — a man who clearly isn’t running his own campaign, because the scumbaggery of Karl Rove obviously is — picked Palin only because he CAN’T TALK ABOUT THE REAL ISSUES AND PROPOSE REAL SOLUTIONS. And the reason he can’t talk about them is because the GOP has f**ked up this country every which way we look, and his stances are EXACTLY the same as those of the Bush Administration.

The truth is, Democrats know that Obama was never going to win among low-or-no information voters, or far right neocons, or nutjob religious extremists, or ignorant and insane racists. We know those folks belong to your side. And we also realize that at the moment you people believe that Obama’s “in real trouble” because of handful of recent polls — that we now know were all polling a much higher percentage of Republicans than Democrats.

But Barack Obama is not “in real trouble”, and I can tell you why he isn’t.

But before I do, let me just say a few more things:
I hope you rightwing true believers are enjoying this moment to the fullest — because it ain’t going to last.
Palin’s shininess is already wearing really thin, and her serial lies and content-free quality is now starting to show.
Speaking of content-free, the Rovian-Republican campaign ads and tactics have sunk to a brand new sh*t-smeared low. Truly more disgusting, sleazy and shameful than they’ve ever been before — with voice-overs officially informing our nation that they’ve been approved by the same Sad-Ass Clown who once had similar scumbag Rovian tactics used on himself and his own family. Seriously, every time we Dems think we’ve seen the bottom of the GOP’s barrel, Rove and Company saws a hole in it in order to sink this nation ever further into their slime.

We know that the morally challenged are really delighted with that Rovian slime. But most of the country doesn’t like the way your party relishes rolling around in that muck while doing everything they can to tear this nation apart.

But to inform you why it isn’t very likely that Obama is “in real trouble” has to do with some simple statistics:

“more than 2 million Democrats [were added] to voter rolls in the 28 states that register voters according to party affiliation. The Republicans have lost nearly 344,000 thousand voters in the same states.”

Additionally:

Nationwide, there are about 42 million registered Democrats and about 31 million Republicans, according to statistics compiled by The Associated Press.
The Democrats have posted big gains in many competitive states, including Nevada, New Hampshire, Iowa, Colorado and Florida. They have also been targeting historically Republican southern states.

Link:
Democrats post big gains in voter registration

The GOP is going to have to cage voters, and diebold-rig us in a really huge way to win this particular election with these statistics.
We know your party isn’t above doing anything to win, but this time, America will likely be dealing with some riots as a result.

Posted by: Veritas Vincit at September 11, 2008 3:37 AM
Comment #262623

Rhinehold-
Simple numbers: Per capita, ten times as much federal dollars were diverted to Alaskans under Palin as were diverted to Obama. Wasilllans under Palin averaged over a thousand dollars in pork per person.

Hell, the Bridge To Nowhere she supported (and kept the money from when Congres killed the Earmark) was over four times more expensive than Obama’s Earmarks.

Another simple fact: Obama’s not claiming to be some saint on Earmarks, like Palin is.

As for your quotation? The Budget wasn’t Obama’s decision alone. I’m sure you could nail McCain by the same criteria on many a budget passed during the Republican era. Which brings me back to another point: earmarks are not the limit of what one can do for special interests. They’re minor, in fact. McCain sits on so many committees connected to appropriations, its not even funny.

Earmarks are an easy, disposable means of looking responsible. Easily verified, a low fruit hanging within reach of an increasingly couch potato-ish mainstream media. No need to do further research.

But what if you do the research? Does McCain meet this strict standard? No. quoting from the progressive thinktank NDN’s website:

New research shows that since 2006, the self-appointed guardian against wasteful spending from Arizona actually opposed less than six-tenths of one percent of the discretionary spending approved by the Senate. Counting only those appropriations during which Mr. McCain was actually present and voted for or against, he opposed eight-tenths of one percent and voted for 99.2 percent. And counting only the last two years, while Mr. McCain has been most actively campaigning for president, the self-proclaimed arbiter of fiscal restraint actually voted against not one dollar of the more than $2 trillion in appropriations approved by the Senate.

[…}

Here are the particulars as verified by the Senate’s records. For FY 2006, Senator McCain opposed one appropriation bill, $17 billion for discretionary spending in agriculture, out of a total of $940 billion in discretionary spending approved for that fiscal year, or 0.56 percent. For FY 2007, the Senate approved nearly $1.1 trillion in discretionary appropriations, and Senator McCain voted for all of it. For the current fiscal year, 2008, the Senate has approved, again, a little under $1.1 trillion; and again, Senator McCain opposed none of it, at least not by actually voting against any of it.

It’s called sleight of hand. He shows you Earmarks he doesn’t give and says, hey, I oppose wasteful spending! And yet the same bills you would rake Obama over the coals for, McCain mostly likely voted for as well. That 85 million is a drop in the bucket, both compared to what Sarah Palin was drawing in from her state, and all the waste that the budget crusader McCain didn’t even lash with a wet noodle.

As for Katrina? McCain has no ground to stand on. It’s particularly sleazy that he exploits the plight of Katrina victims to hype his saintliness on Earmarks. Obama and Biden voted for measures that would directly appropriate, through proper channels, the money and authorization to to take care of the Katrina victims and figure out what went wrong.

Craig Holmes-
Obama was a brilliant pick. Watch that video I posted of his counterattack on that Lipstick on a Pig BS, and you’ll understand why. And Sarah Palin? She could be replaced with a body double, and nobody would be the wiser. She goes around, making the same speech, repeating the same easily disprovable lines… This seems like the behavior of a sockpuppet, not a person who can stand on their own two feet. It doesn’t seem all that brilliant to me to offer a candidate who must be this scripted to maintain her appeal.

As for what the Obama campaign is going to do about her? I really don’t know. They may be sitting by the side letting the fact that are getting dug up set the tone about her. I’ve learned not to take quiet on the part of the Obama Campaign as a sign of weakness. People hav made that assumption, only to get sucker-punched when Obama socks them.

Posted by: Stephen Daugherty at September 11, 2008 8:31 AM
Comment #262639

Stephen:

I did watch the video. It of course was more talk. We are two weeks into the Palin surprize attack and no response except talk from Obama.

I think it is good to watch him, because this is the same man who if he becomes CIC will be fighiting a surprize attack from our nation’s enemies.

It looks like you are placing your hope in digging up dirt in Alaska. Republicans used that same hope with Clinton and it really didn’t work.

Of course Obama goes around making the same speech he has made for the last 19 months. They all have what is called a stump speech. I think you dismis her to your own peril, because you are threatened by her. The odds of an Obama victory in intrade have fallen below 50%.

As a tactic the Palin choice was brilliant. White women have shifted in large numbers from Obama to McCain. It was not McCain’s speech made that possible.

I think you should “shut off” Obama’s voice, and look at his actions. What he has done is taken his eye off of McCain, and started attacking Palin. That is an action. When has that ever worked in American history as a tactic?

Right now there are only three people in the race. Biden seems to be pretty much irrelevant. He even has said as much with the Hillary comment. An action might be to dump biden and talk to Hillary.

Posted by: Craig Holmes at September 11, 2008 11:47 AM
Comment #262652

The way I see it now, (of course there is much all of us can’t see). i don’t see how Obama can win without a woman on the ticket.

There wre 19 million people that supported Hillary. Many of them were enthusiastic because they wanted a woman on the ticket. Not all, but a bunch. Obama did not acknowledge that in the pick of Biden. That single event might have cost him this election, because it open the door for Palin.

Posted by: Craig Holmes at September 11, 2008 1:11 PM
Comment #262691

Stephen:

I do sense that the campaign is at another tipping point. I think it will be somewhere inbetween you and me on Palin. For instance, the press was pretty stupid with Palin. And the left blog world. Palin is not for teaching creationism, is not raising her daughter’s child, did not ban books, pose in a bikini etc etc.

on the flip side, she was for the bridge to nowhere before she was against it. She has cut back on pork, but Alaska is still the most pork ridden state in the Alaska. She let go here chef but really moved the chef to the legislature. She sold the jet, but has some answering to do on her expense account. Troopergate will be an issue that will probably not end in anything real serious but will tarnish her reputation.

In the end Sarah will not be what the liberals fear, or the conservatives hope for. She will in fact be a real person.

What I think is going to happen now going forward is that McCain wont be able to get away with the cheap shots anymore. I think the liberal press gave McCain room to cheap shot Obama under the guise that two wrongs make a right.

The left has made something of Palin’s comments about coommunity organizers. Of course what the left leavea out is that thie was a counter attack from Obama calling Palin a small town mayor instead of a govenor.

So now both sides are tired of cheapshoting each other. I think the “gotcha’s” are about done. At least it feels that way. In some ways I think the real campaign starts tonight with Charlie Gibson.

Sarah has had a few weeks to get her duck in a row and say good bye to her son. Now she will start her serious campaign. The hype from the real will start to emerge. McCain’s rapid rise in the polls is due for a breather. Now that all the players are here, and the press has had two weeks to vet Palin and it’s frustration, it looks like we can start the final campaign. I think it starts in a few hours on abcnews.

Posted by: Craig Holmes at September 11, 2008 4:06 PM
Comment #262695

The lipstick remark was typical BHO sarcasm. Here’s your guy being a jerk, with WJC, who looks like he’s in terrible shape: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=4sKhtO6CoeM

Your guy still thinks he is in a classroom instructing us, probably not a good idea. Enough is enough? I agree.

Gender card vs Race card? Do you really want to go there?

On the CBN article linked, there is no “Chicago” Daily Herald, its just the Daily Herald, http://www.dailyherald.com/ in suburban Arlington Heights from Paddock Publishing

On the TPM article on rape kits in Wasilla, was this little town a particularly high crime area or something?

The bridge to the airport on Gravina Island doesn’t sound like that bad of an idea to me. Ketcikan is the southernmost city in Alaska, and could probably develop substantially with infrasctructure improvements. I actually looked at the topography of the island, and it seems better for development than the Ketchikan side, which would be the whole point of the bridge. Like I said before, there have been hundreds of bridges to nowhere built in FL. Here in IL, we could use some railroad bridges. Deals get made for this kind of thing all the time.

I don’t think that he AIP party is as bad as people are making it out to be. Alaska only became a state 50 years ago, and many locals thought they should have had other options, which is the origin of the party. People should read a little more before posting about things that they apparently know nothing about.

Texans, get out your surfboards, Ike is coming to Galveston. Be safe.

Posted by: ohrealy at September 11, 2008 4:50 PM
Comment #262764

Ohrealy, The AIP party is aty least as important as Bill Ayers wouldn’t you say? Secede from the union, Explosives, radicals, death, Palin attends 2 conventions, Husbands a member. Why is it just Obamas associations that are important and not Palins?

Posted by: j2t2 at September 11, 2008 11:22 PM
Comment #262843

>I did watch the video. It of course was more talk. We are two weeks into the Palin surprize attack and no response except talk from Obama.

Posted by: Craig Holmes at September 11, 2008 11:47 AM>I did watch the video. It of course was more talk. We are two weeks into the Palin surprize attack and no response except talk from Obama.

Posted by: Craig Holmes at September 11, 2008 11:47 AM

Craig,

“It, of course, was more talk”

What would have been better than what he did? Take out his moose gun and shoot her? Nah, that’s her kind of thing, she’s the soccor-mom, moose killer. He just points out the fallacy of it all, and in a dignified way…hmmm, that’s pretty good under the circumstances.

Posted by: Marysdude at September 12, 2008 2:27 PM
Comment #262882

The AIP has been part of Alaska’s history for decades. People use it for their own ends, mostly to help them get elected to office. “explosives, radicals and death” don’t seem to have much to do with it. Judging from Sarah Palin’s accent, there are probably a lot of Canadians in Alaska. They’re not Timothy McVeighs.

I’ve never posted anything about Ayers, but the guy seems to be a first class jerk, 60 year old spoiled rotten brat, and pretentious wannabee. The closest connnection to BHO comes from the Woods foundation, which may be a family connection for Ayers. I don’t know why the UIC employs him as a “distinguished professor”, or would ever put him in contact with impressionable young people.

Posted by: ohrealy at September 12, 2008 9:02 PM
Comment #263009

Marysdude:

What would have been better than what he did? Take out his moose gun and shoot her? Nah, that’s her kind of thing, she’s the soccor-mom, moose killer. He just points out the fallacy of it all, and in a dignified way…hmmm, that’s pretty good under the circumstances.

Believe it or not, it is McCain who is winning on ideas. The Surge was an idea and Palin was an idea. Both were game changers. Obama needs to take an action. What is it doing right now is the same thing louder. That will not work.

He needs a new idea that shows that he truly is the person who wants change. To be as direct as I can, Obama talked change, and the one thing he “DID” that sticks in his mind is nominate Biden. So Obama talks change and gives an object lesson. The object lesson doesn’t match his talk.

Right now I think there are two ways Obama wins. The first is McCain looses by some blunders, or Obama produces a game changer. To again be blunt, for Obama it is put up or shut up. You talked change now be change, otherwise shut up.

If you look at McCain, he is now talking change, but he did change. McCain’s object lesson is to bring in a partner who is middle Ameirca. Actions speak louder than words. It is almost impossible for Obama’s change message to be heard, because in the area of actions McCain’s action is deafening.

Posted by: Craig Holmes at September 14, 2008 10:24 PM
Comment #263351

But he was a community organizer, voted present dozens of times as IL Senator and has been running for President for most of his US Senate Career, surely that makes us all feel sure of his abilities to handle Osama, Terrorism, The economy, Putin, A Mortgage Crisis, The ENvironment etc.
The fact that the Dems put him in this spot and he could accidentally get voted in due to their own hubris is embarrasing and frightening to the extreme.

Posted by: Obamas Plan Selling You the Vague at September 18, 2008 12:47 PM
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