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What is up with the swollen lymph node on John McCain's face?

The left side of John MCCain’s face looks like it is ready to explode. See: McCain’s Swollen Face. Will he even live until inauguration day?

How come no one is talking about this? How come no mass media is talking about it? Normally the VP pick is not a very important issue - but 2 time melanoma survivor??? with a swollen lymph node near the site of the cancer??? and no one notices??? No one says: Maybe people should think about this when they walk into the voting booth? Sarah Palin could be President January 20th, 2009. Do you really want that? I know that the anti-women's rights, anti-gay rights, anti-human rights, anti-Constitutional rights, right wing fundamentalist Christian extremists want her to be President. But what about the rest of you? If you all can miss a huge swollen lymph node on the face of a melanoma survivor, no wonder you missed Sarah Palin's pregnancy... On a personal note, of course, I wish John McCain well. It is time for the old warrior to retire, (November 4th), he has served his country long enough. He don't know when to quit. We need to help him. Politically and compassionately speaking, this evidence of cancer, is yet one more reason that he must be defeated.

A lot people mistakenly think that he is a moderate and maverick. He is not. He is more aggressively militaristic than Bush. Bush is the moderate here. Even if he was a moderate, a swollen lymph node near the site of his cancer... Sarah Palin ain't a moderate - not even close.

Posted by Ray Guest at September 10, 2008 8:00 AM
Comments
Comment #262424

I don’t see anything.
And if there is something, the reason nobody has noticed it is becasuse he’s alway standing next to Sarah.

Posted by: Schwamp at September 10, 2008 9:21 AM
Comment #262427

It’s been like that since I can remember.

Posted by: womanmarine at September 10, 2008 9:29 AM
Comment #262428

It isn’t a lymph node. Ever hear the saying “I have a lump in my throat?” It is the truth trying to get out but can’t.

seriously though I did a little searching and found nothing on this in any of the media. McCain has looked unhealthy for a very long time. Just watch him walking, anywhere, anytime. It reminds me of Bob Doles’ paralysis, although unrelated.

If the media points it out be sure that the next words out of the GOP will be, POW, war hero.

Posted by: NapaJohn at September 10, 2008 9:38 AM
Comment #262429

This article is reaching to the bottom of the barrel. The left has been complaining about the latest McCain add on BHO and education. And then a post like this comes out. It is not worthy of a response.

I suppose the left is hoping for McCain’s death just as they hoped for failure and surrender in Iraq.

BHO is loosing it and is on a downward spiral.

Posted by: Oldguy at September 10, 2008 9:44 AM
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Yeah, this article is too lowbrow. I think ‘McCain may die soon’ is really the last reason anyone should choose not to support him, so this entry could have been better served focusing on his ideology.

As a voter, i don’t need the sideshow, but the meat to determine whom i would support.

Posted by: dulcetpine at September 10, 2008 9:58 AM
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McCain has always had large jaw bones. Since his bout with skin cancer and surgery on his face to remove said cancer-one side of his face has a more noticable bone protrusion. It has been this way for a long time. If he stands a certain way it is more noticable on camera.

However, I agree we need to worry about his health. Everyone keeps talking about how old his mother is and how sharp she is and that McCain is like her. My question “Where’s his father?” Oh thats right he’s dead! Died at 70 give or take a year or two. Sounds to me more like a 50-50 deal for him.

OUCH! what a low blow to suggest we are wishing for him to die. I don’t think being concerned about his health when he wants to be president of the US and is 72 years old is out of line. IMO HE IS TOO OLD TO BE PRESIDENT. Just as we have an age limit at the other end-can’t remember if it is 35 or 37 before someone can run for president-we need to have an age limit at the other end. Even if he lives for the next 4 or 8 yrs-I don’t want someone that old making decisions. My mother is 82 yrs old and is good for her age but since her 75th year-her ability to remember, take in information, and make sound judgements has declined each year. I would not have wanted my mother’s finger on the tigger at 72, 73, 74 and so forth. My mother can barely find the bathroom at 3:00am let alone the telephone.

Posted by: Carolina at September 10, 2008 10:00 AM
Comment #262436

McCain has always had large jaw bones. Since his bout with skin cancer and surgery on his face to remove said cancer-one side of his face has a more noticable bone protrusion. It has been this way for a long time. If he stands a certain way it is more noticable on camera.

However, I agree we need to worry about his health. Everyone keeps talking about how old his mother is and how sharp she is and that McCain is like her. My question “Where’s his father?” Oh thats right he’s dead! Died at 70 give or take a year or two. Sounds to me more like a 50-50 deal for him.

OUCH! what a low blow to suggest we are wishing for him to die. I don’t think being concerned about his health when he wants to be president of the US and is 72 years old is out of line. IMO HE IS TOO OLD TO BE PRESIDENT. Just as we have an age limit at the other end-can’t remember if it is 35 or 37 before someone can run for president-we need to have an age limit at the other end. Even if he lives for the next 4 or 8 yrs-I don’t want someone that old making decisions. My mother is 82 yrs old and is good for her age but since her 75th year-her ability to remember, take in information, and make sound judgements has declined each year. I would not have wanted my mother’s finger on the tigger at 72, 73, 74 and so forth. My mother can barely find the bathroom at 3:00am let alone the telephone.

Posted by: Carolina at September 10, 2008 10:00 AM
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OldGUy,

Nobody is hoping for this guy’s death, quite the opposite actually. If he were actually elected, the left would much prefer him as CIC opposed to his wingnut VP.

Wishing death on people isn’t something well adjusted people do, and pinning that criticism on someone else isn’t something a well adjusted person would do either.

That isn’t very patriotic of you…

Posted by: dulcetpine at September 10, 2008 10:00 AM
Comment #262438

SORRY! Not that I think my words are worth posting twice. I must have hit the button more than once. Go figure and I’m only 55-imagine my finger on that all important button-I would be sending more than one bomb.

Posted by: Carolina at September 10, 2008 10:03 AM
Comment #262440

Well let’s see, after a few posts, we will see where and how extreme they become!

Posted by: Oldguy at September 10, 2008 10:09 AM
Comment #262453

Carolina,


You wrote:

McCain has always had large jaw bones. Since his bout with skin cancer and surgery on his face to remove said cancer-one side of his face has a more noticable bone protrusion.

Good point. I hope you are right. As human beings we want him to live anyway, and as political beings, if he is elected, we definitely want him to live. Those who voted for him want him there and the rest of us don’t want Sarah Extremist Palin there… McCain is an extreme militarist, (bomb… bomb… bomb… bomb… bomb… bomb… Iran), who has sold out to the Bush economic neo-cons and the extreme social conservatives, but Sarah Palin is the “real” deal…


Posted by: Ray Guest at September 10, 2008 10:50 AM
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Timmy, so what’s your point exactly? You sound very much like someone by the name of John who use to post here. Don’t know if he quit or got kicked off because he thought that he didn’t have to post any relevant points to the topic but could just post outrageous comments to try and annoy people.

Posted by: Carolina at September 10, 2008 11:06 AM
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I think ‘McCain may die soon’ is really the last reason anyone should choose not to support him.

There’s a very real chance he could die while in office, and everyone should think about that when voting for him. Unfortunately, given Palin’s instant, wild popularity, I think many Republicans may see this as a bonus.

Posted by: Max at September 10, 2008 11:18 AM
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I find it rather funny that folks on the right are trying to hold Obama accountable for what bloggers and commentors say. It’s like “Oh you said something horrible about McCain, that proves Obama isn’t running a clean campaign”

Like, Hello? It proves Ray Guest and a few other people who have complete freedom to post whatever they want to aren’t running a clean campaign. But then again, they don’t have to, and shouldn’t have to. If they want to go with such speculation, it should no more reflect on Obama than speculation on Clinton’s role as the Anti-Christ should reflect on Barry Goldwater.

(On a side note, isn’t it interesting how every interesting, charming, charismatic Democratic Party candidate for president gets cast as the Anti-Christ?)

Obama’s been one of the most restrained in recent history. Meanwhile, the McCain Campaign itself is trying to imply that Obama’s wanting Kindergarteners to be handed condoms and cucumbers, despite the fact that the law he supported mandated no such thing. Hell, and if there was something objectionable at any age (the law covered all grades between Kindergarten and High School) Parents had the option of opting out their kids, no questions asked. Any implication he was making is patently false, and they know it.

The hypocrisy of such hypersensitivity is breathtaking. One cross word, and Palin’s Ministry of Truth Squad is out complaining. Meanwhile, she completely deceives the voters of America about the substance of her record, and expects every reporter to pay DEFERENCE to her.

Let’s get some perspective here, folks.

Posted by: Stephen Daugherty at September 10, 2008 11:23 AM
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timmy-
I wouldn’t be surprised if somebody gets the idea to go after Obama, but there are people who can protect Obama from such hazards. A Secret Service agent can throw him or herself in front of a bullet, but they can’t protect McCain from a tumor.

Posted by: Stephen Daugherty at September 10, 2008 11:40 AM
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McPain’s got fat jowls, and the rest of him ain’t that pretty either. The Republicans are not trying to elect him for his looks, they’re trying to elect him for his clever reparte, and his laid back acceptance of criticism.

I’m pretty sure they are not trying to elect him because he’s a trust-worthy mavarick or the most diplomatic/charismatic world uniter. It might be because he can fly a plane into the ground and give succor to the enemy.

Posted by: Marysdude at September 10, 2008 11:56 AM
Comment #262482

About the swollen cheek - it has been like that since his melanoma surgery (in 2000? 2001?). It is not a swollen lymph node but is due to the trauma to his cheek muscles and nerves of having multiple nodes removed - i think even salivary glands. I read about this a while ago - sorry i can’t provide a link.

Posted by: Kate at September 10, 2008 12:06 PM
Comment #262483

“I would say that Barack Obama has much more of a chance of Dying soon than McCain.”

Timmy although your comments are nonsense, think of what each of these two candidates have done to ensure what is best for America should a tragedy befall them . Obama has chosen Biden with considerable experience while McCAin has chosen Palin with no experience.
Before you comment on the executive experience think Bush II, whose experience before being elected to POTUS closely matches Palins, and where we are as a result of the bad decisions of the repubs that elected him twice.

Posted by: j2t2 at September 10, 2008 12:09 PM
Comment #262487

j2t2,

I hate to bring this up, and it goes contrary to everything I hold dear, and I believe with every fiber of my being that Joe Biden was a great selection by ‘O’, but…can you immagine what our world would be like today if something had happened to BushII, and the more experienced Cheney had been turned loose?? You think it was bad with Cheney pulling the strings…oooh! how much worse if he’d actually owned the strings…maybe we should not compare Palin/Biden experience, and compare their respective capabilities. That way we win, win, win…

Posted by: Marysdude at September 10, 2008 12:21 PM
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Soory for off topic but
Bob Woodward was interesting on Larry King the other night. The military developed some secret technique for wiping out the insurgence. He can’t discuss and the military is horrified he even knows - but he’s credible and he’s telling the truth - while McCain is talking up the success of the surge.

Posted by: Schwamp at September 10, 2008 12:48 PM
Comment #262494

Schwamp,
It’s called “Tagging, Tracking, and Locating.” It allows the military to follow people from a great distance, without their knowing they are being tracked. The Iraqis know about it. The American people, however, are unaware of it, and the American people are unaware of our assassination program. It has been used primarily against the Sunnis, and the speculation is that it played a big role in helping complete the ethnic cleansing of Baghdad.

The US government lies to the American people by pretending ‘The Surge’ succeeded. A lot of very, very ugly things happen, but it’s psychically unacceptable for Americans to contemplate how the ‘liberation’ of Iraq eventually included a sophisticated campaign of assassination… Liberation the hard way, eh?

Another off-topic comment about Iraq… Kuwait and Iran have closed their borders with Iraq, due to the cholera outbreak.

Posted by: phx8 at September 10, 2008 1:00 PM
Comment #262497
Obama has chosen Biden with considerable experience

Considerable experience at?

No offense, but Biden is hardly presidential material, even your own party has said so twice.

Posted by: Rhinehold at September 10, 2008 1:09 PM
Comment #262501

Marysdude yes I can imagine Cheney as president in fact I’m fairly sure it wasn’t only me praying for a healthy W as the lesser of two evils, much like I did when HW had Quayle backing him up.

IMHO marysdude I think McCain’s pick shows a disservice to this Country. I think executive experience is false and misleading based upon the actual results of W hisself.
I also think that comparing Biden to Cheney is disingenious as Cheney has proven himself to be an unworhty VP over the years while Biden has proven himself worthy. If it was just experience alone I could see your point but when you include the wisdom that sometimes comes with experience the logic falls apart for me.
Now the real issue, Obama and McCain. McCain has much more time in the Senate but does he actually have much more experience in the Senate. He has more experience, I would agree but is it in equal parts to his time in the senate as compared to Obama’s when you factor in the wisdom to be gained by experience? His decisions don’t seem to reflect that additional experience IMHO. If he indeed did have additional wisdom based upon his experience would he be running on his POW status, more of the same and of all things change and reform because of his own parties malfeaseance the past 8 years?
Now that McCain has chosen Palin for his running mate the levels of experience (perhaps not wisdom) has levelled out a bit. Should one or the other POTUS’s be unable to carryout the responsibilities of the office the experience (and potential wisdom)level drops off dramatically should McCain win. Not only dramatically but dangerously IMHO. Should Obama win the level goes up dramatically, which to me is a positive.
This issue is actual important in this election when you consider McCains age and his battle with cancer. In Obama’s case although he is actually a bi-racial liberal a lot of us, perhaps more so on the right only see the black liberal. When people like Timmy, who (IMHO judging by his writings) is a conservative movement member, bring up the point that Obamas life could be in jeopardy as the election draws closer has to be considered a very real threat. I admire Obama for doing right by his country and choosing someone that could take over for him instead of picking a Palin type(all hat no cattle)that would give the cons pause before they would consider harming him. Very brave and wise choice, unlike his counterpart who chose to have us all praying he makes it to the next election.

What I find sad about McCain is his inability to find anyone else in the party that could bring the immediate perceived qualities of “electibility by the base” Palin did to the table and also actually be qualified should he be deemed unable to hold the office. Says quite a bit to me about wisdom as well as the sorry state of the repubs in general.

Posted by: j2t2 at September 10, 2008 1:30 PM
Comment #262502
Cheney has proven himself to be an unworhty VP over the years while Biden has proven himself worthy.

In what way has he proven his VP worth, exactly?

Posted by: Rhinehold at September 10, 2008 1:33 PM
Comment #262503

I don’t think anyone with the slightest threads of morality running through them, wish death on any other human being. timmy, you’re posts are both hateful and sickening, and I may be mistaken, but thought you had lost your rights to post here already a little earlier.

As much as I hated doing it, I sat and watched McPalin in Va. today. Don’t know why, because all they said is absolutely, to the word, identical to all their speeches for the last few days. Palin is still talking up the points of her and the bridge…her and the chef…her and the jet…well, you know them as well as I do. Same with McCain when he took the microphone…..team of maverics…change is coming….can’t wait to introduce her to Wa. D.C.
There are some positive moves taking place from the Obama camp, though, and one of them is actually from Huckabee, who urged everyone to give Obama some slack, and that he doesn’t believe he called Palin a pig!!!!
Obama has said “enough”, and that he loves this country too much to let them take over this campaign with lies and swiftboating tactics.
It was also noted that McCain himself used the “lipstick/pig” line against Clinton on May 2, ‘08, regarding her health plan.
Seems also that most of the polls have closed the gaps and are more close to the McPalin convention.
Still no media being allowed within shouting space of super sarah, and she is heading back to Alaska today…..do they think they have managed to avoid..evade all the questions?? I’m sure they wish that to be the case, but there has to be some reporter out there hungry enough to go after the info.

Posted by: janedoe at September 10, 2008 1:36 PM
Comment #262505

“In what way has he proven his VP worth, exactly?”

Rhinehold he hasn’t which is my point. However in a word Iraq, unless of course its all Bush’s fault. In another word or three, secret + energy policy.
Also when he shot that guy while drinking doesnt show wisdom to me.

“No offense, but Biden is hardly presidential material, even your own party has said so twice.”

Well IMHO I beleive he is great material for president. Just becuase he didnt win the primaries before doesnt mean the party said he wasn’y presidential material, just like no one said Hillary wasn’t.

BTW just like your not a con I’m not a dem so it’s not my party.

Posted by: j2t2 at September 10, 2008 1:51 PM
Comment #262510
“In what way has he proven his VP worth, exactly?”
Rhinehold he hasn’t which is my point.

No, you misunderstand, I was asking about your assertion that Biden has proven his VP worth. I wanted to know exactly how he had done that, as you asserted.

Well IMHO I beleive he is great material for president.

But why? He is the most entrenched insider in Washington running and votes with his party almost as much as his running mate does. It doesn’t sound very ‘maverick-y’ to me, voting with your party 97% of the time…

Posted by: Rhinehold at September 10, 2008 2:08 PM
Comment #262518

Timmy,
That is a despicable and hateful comment.

For anyone who wants to see what helicopter hunting of wolves looks like, here’s a video:

http://gristmill.grist.org/story/2008/8/31/22337/7183

Sarah Palin favors helicopter hunting.

Posted by: phx8 at September 10, 2008 2:55 PM
Comment #262521

Speculation about the death of a candidate is not worthy of this site. Would anyone care to comment about this editorial from the NY Times?

“I confess, I watch politics from afar, but here’s what I’ve been feeling for a while: Whoever slipped that Valium into Barack Obama’s coffee needs to be found and arrested by the Democrats because Obama has gone from cool to cold.” For the whole story click here; http://www.nytimes.com/2008/09/10/opinion/10friedman.html?th&emc=th

Posted by: Jim M at September 10, 2008 3:09 PM
Comment #262524

Sorry Rhinehold I did think you were asking about Cheney.
Biden has much more foreign policy experience than the others. He sees the foolishness of continuing to stay the course in Iraq. He is outspoken and will speak his mind, some say to a fault. I like that. Knowing the issues and the players internationally is important for a POTUS and VPOTUS. He could bring a lot to the table.

Maverick is just a repub buzzword doesnt mean much to me. McCain is a Maverick in the respect that he has laid claim to being the agent of change while not really being an agent of change…. you have got to laugh at that… McCain is not a Maverick in the respect that he is a “person with independence of thought or action”.

He votes liberal is a good thing to some of us, especially after seeing the conservatives in action tht past 8 years. Voting against conservative is the alternative to voting with his party the way they determine what is liberal and conservative. The difference between 16th most liberal and 1st most liberal is 2 votes different. Are you suggesting they should have more than a yay and a nay for voting? Voting on the issue/issues in a bill is more important to me than the “its liberal its conservative” tags.

Most importantly he has a good reputation, and with his foreign policy experience will serve Obama well.

most entrenched insider? what do you base that on?

Posted by: j2t2 at September 10, 2008 3:27 PM
Comment #262525

Jim M

Great link, especially from the NYT. I heard the audience began to shout “no more pitbulls, no more pitbulls” as they were laughing, when BHO made the remark about lipstick and pigs. Maybe BHO wasn’t talking about Palin, but somebody forgot to tell the audience.

Posted by: Oldguy at September 10, 2008 3:31 PM
Comment #262527

Jim M says “Speculation about the death of a candidate is not worthy of this site. Would anyone care to comment about this editorial from the NY Times?”

Why not Jim M, when the candidate is 72 years old with a history of cancer and brings in a VP with minimal federal experience should we just pretend we dont see a problem? Should we just go off topic to a negative article about the other candidate who showed the wisdom of a good choice for his VP pick?

Posted by: j2t2 at September 10, 2008 3:37 PM
Comment #262530

Old,

Okay, you’ve made your point. I’m changing sides right now…It’s McPain/Piglips from now on…now go away…

Posted by: Marysdude at September 10, 2008 3:45 PM
Comment #262533

Does this website have any editors or is it more like a diary/journal thing like the Daily Kos?

An article like this would never be published anywhere with an editor. Oh, wait. There is an editor. He’s the guy who just wrote an article about how Republicans are like Nazis.

Posted by: Liam at September 10, 2008 4:04 PM
Comment #262534

Today, as I was cutting trees down to use for heat this winter, I was listening to Rush on my Sony Walkman, and he was talking about the meltdown in the Democratic Party. Later, as I was watching Fox News, a news alert was announced that:

“South Carolina Democratic chairwoman Carol Fowler sharply attacked Sarah Palin today, saying John McCain had chosen a running mate ” whose primary qualification seems to be that she hasn’t had an abortion.”

@ Politico.com

I have to agree Rush, as I am watching Fox News, it seems it is a moment by moment self destruction of the left. It is hillarious.

Ok, lets get back to the subject of McCains health.

Sorry for getting off subject.

Posted by: Oldguy at September 10, 2008 4:04 PM
Comment #262536

Liam

You are right, there are not enough conservatives on this site to write a post in the red column. And, whenever conservatives write anything, it launches an immediate attack.

I think this subject was terrible.

Posted by: Oldguy at September 10, 2008 4:13 PM
Comment #262538

Thanks for the laugh Oldguy!!!
There are a number of conservative editors here to post in the red column. Maybe they just can’t get excited about enough to write .

And this is the funniest part of what you said

And, whenever conservatives write anything, it launches an immediate attack.

Come back soon, y’all !

Posted by: janedoe at September 10, 2008 4:23 PM
Comment #262540

“Maybe Mr.Bidan will split America up into three sections.Cali for the Liberal Dems.Mass.for the Gays and the rest of the Country for Patriotic Americans.”

Shouldnt he also leave room in this country for the conservatives as well Timmy?

Posted by: j2t2 at September 10, 2008 4:30 PM
Comment #262541

janedoe

Glad to be able to give you a laugh.

Are you also laughing at the meltdown in BHO’s campaign?

But, I have to disagree with you about the number of conservatives. I don’t think there are very many. And I also think there are a lot of exciting things to write about. If I were to write a post, it would be entitled, “WILL BHO THROW IN THE TOWEL BEFORE ELECTION DAY?” or maybe “WILL BHO BOOT BIDEN AND BEG HRC TO SAVE HIS BUTT?”

Posted by: Oldguy at September 10, 2008 4:37 PM
Comment #262550

How funny….just heard a Democratic strategist refer to what talking points Republicans are using as: weapons of mass distraction!!!!

Posted by: janedoe at September 10, 2008 5:05 PM
Comment #262553

there is much wool over the eyes of america right now.

Posted by: horse at September 10, 2008 5:26 PM
Comment #262556

j2t2 asks, “Why not Jim M, when the candidate is 72 years old with a history of cancer and brings in a VP with minimal federal experience should we just pretend we dont see a problem?”

j2t2, I believe the age question was asked and answered during the Reagan debates. Despite the dems attempts to rule him ineligible by virtue of his age, he won two landslide elections. I believe the health question was amply answered by virtue of both Kennedy and Roosevelt when they occupied the office quite well despite disabling and life threatening medical conditions. Would you not agree?

If we were considering electing either Kennedy or Roosevelt today, and were aware of their health problems, would we deny the nation their great contributions to this nation because of that?

I won’t address the qualifications of Sarah Palin or Barack Obama as that has been thoroughly hashed in other posts.

Posted by: Jim M at September 10, 2008 5:34 PM
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Yes, how funny to pull out such an old statement… Did they get any dust on anyone nearby?

Posted by: Rhinehold at September 10, 2008 5:35 PM
Comment #262560

“But, I have to disagree with you about the number of conservatives. I don’t think there are very many. And I also think there are a lot of exciting things to write about.”

Old Guy I agree we need more cons on this site. It does us all a service to have different viewpoints expressed and discussed here.
Why is it there are not more cons/repubs posting here? Surely that are not afraid to have their comments responded to by others that may not agree with their viewpoint. What say you?

Posted by: j2t2 at September 10, 2008 5:49 PM
Comment #262562

Let me see if I got this straight Jim M.
1.Reagan was old but healthy when running for office. The age question.
2. Kennedy and FDR was much younger but FDR had polio and Kennedy with back troubles and addisons disease. The health question.

equals:

3. McCain who is older than Reagan and has had cancer twice as well as injuries from Vietnam. The age and health question.

And 1 + 2 does equal 3 however is advanced age or declining health the same as advanced age and declining health?

Jim M I dont begrudge McCain his ability to be put on the ballot or to run for office. I would not want to disqualify anyone due to a disablity and there is no maxium age set in the constitution. However to not consider the possibility and to prepare for it doesnt show me good judgement, wisdom or a concern about this nation. IMHO I, to paraphrase McCain, ” would rather lose an election that lose my Country”. However McCain seems to be saying “I would rather lose my country that lose the election.” Just once issue on which we disagree.

Posted by: j2t2 at September 10, 2008 6:16 PM
Comment #262563

Jim M,
Many people, myself included, think Reagan was in the early stages of dementia by the end of his second term.

McCain will be the oldest first term president in US history if he wins the election. He has a history of skin cancer, and for most of his life he has been a two pack a day smoker. The health care which a president receives is excellent, of course, and McCain seems to be doing well. Still, his health is a fair topic for debate. In his case, there is a higher than normal possibility that the VP may become the president.

Posted by: phx8 at September 10, 2008 6:22 PM
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I have to agree with oldguy seeing how I’m an oldguy to. The left is self distructing the Obama campaign.

Posted by: KAP at September 10, 2008 6:27 PM
Comment #262566

How can you not love how Palin is this maverick for change but she recycles the same speech over and over.

Or is that just energy conservation?

Posted by: horse at September 10, 2008 6:39 PM
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Horse,
It’s not about facts, or competency, or anything like that. McCain and Palin will tell a narrative. The facts don’t matter. The lies don’t matter. It’s a story, and they will keep repeating it, word for word, no matter how often the lies are debunked.

The mainstream media are in the entertainment-for-profit business. Issues are boring. No one wants to hear about facts. A $407 billion federal deficit is boring. A projected deficit of over $430 billion for 2009 is boring, and even including an additional $100 billion each for the nationalization of Fannie Mae and Freddie Mac is… you guessed it… boring.

Instead, the MSM will focus upon pigs and lipstick. That’s entertaining, and that drives profits. There is not ‘there’ there, and Obama laughs it off as part of the ‘silly season,’ but the truth is, the relentless repetition of narrative continues out a discussion of issues, and everyone is poorer for it. Not that it matters to Republicans. They are all about power, no matter how badly it hurts the country or their long-term ability to govern.

Does the GOP ticket advocate precisely the same econmic policies that created the current economic mess? Yes. No doubt. Without question. Does the MSM report it? Of course not.

Posted by: phx8 at September 10, 2008 7:18 PM
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I am just posting this to see if I am banned. I have made 2 attemps to post an answer to your article entitled “Should Women Control Their Own Body?” and they have not been held for consideration. If I have violated any rules, please let me know which ones.

Thanks

Posted by: submarinesforever at September 10, 2008 8:18 PM
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phx8,

Neither candidate is talking about reducing the deficit, and neither plan they offer will. Why focus on just the one side then?

Posted by: Rhinehold at September 10, 2008 8:20 PM
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submarinesforever,

I think that there is some filtering going on, did the post have the word s e x in it? That caught me earlier.

Posted by: Rhinehold at September 10, 2008 8:33 PM
Comment #262576

I know its off topic but I have noticed that there hasn’t been a post in the red column for awhile. Perhaps a place to post suggested topic ideas might help to inspire a lib or indy or repub. just an idea.

Posted by: NapaJohn at September 10, 2008 8:44 PM
Comment #262577

“They are all about power, no matter how badly it hurts the country or their long-term ability to govern.”


They remind me of the PRI party of Mexico. They were dominant for 80+ years, were exposed for their corruptions, and in the last election didn’t even exist when compared to PAN or PRD.

I can’t wait for the republicans to disappear.

Posted by: horse at September 10, 2008 8:45 PM
Comment #262579

Carolina,

Thanks all for your comments.

You wrote:

SORRY! Not that I think my words are worth posting twice. I must have hit the button more than once. Go figure and I’m only 55-imagine my finger on that all important button-I would be sending more than one bomb.
Your finger on the other button would be fine. Thermonuclear bombs kill everybody 10 times over. you would just kill em 20 times. I find that it is the first time that counts…

timmy,

You wrote:

Anyone noticed how much weight Barack Obama has lost over the past year?Have you noticed the grey in his hair?This could be Aids or maybe SCA.I for one hope he recovers.
Thanks. I am a little more concerned about him getting shot, but I noticed that security was really good at the convention and I feel better now. Anyway, Biden is ready to take over, so if something terrible happens to Barrack, the country will be OK.

Max,

You wrote:

Unfortunately, given Palin’s instant, wild popularity, I think many Republicans may see this as a bonus.
The Republican social conservative extremist might well see it as a bonus. He needs independents and moderates to win and they will not see it as a bonus.

Stephen Daugherty,

You wrote:

Like, Hello? It proves Ray Guest and a few other people who have complete freedom to post whatever they want to aren’t running a clean campaign. But then again, they don’t have to, and shouldn’t have to. If they want to go with such speculation, it should no more reflect on Obama than speculation on Clinton’s role as the Anti-Christ should reflect on Barry Goldwater.
Absolutely correct. I am not authorized by Obama. I do not take my talking points from him or anyone else. Raising legitimate concerns about McCain’s health is not dirty however. Asking legitimate questions about Palin’s questionable ethics and extremist views is not dirty. The Repubs are the one’s who long ago decided to make this campaign about personality because they lose on the issues. Then they cry wolf when someone questions their personality, their lies, their distortions, their extremist views on the issues. It is time for at least some Dems to call a spade, a spade, a black man, a black man, an elderly sick white man, an elderly sick white man, a conservative extremist, a conservative extremist, and forceful governmental control over a women’s reproductive organs, rape, because that is the best, most accurate, metaphor for what it is - period.

Posted by: Ray Guest at September 10, 2008 9:24 PM
Comment #262580

The boss almost begs for folks to step up to the plate on the red side…there are several folks who see red on the blue side…perhaps a few of them could apply over there? Qualifications are not that rigid, and several here are intelligent and articulate…well…maybe stupid and arrogant…but that’s acceptable…isn’t it?

Posted by: Marysdude at September 10, 2008 9:32 PM
Comment #262582

J2t2

“Surely that are not afraid to have their comments responded to by others that may not agree with their viewpoint. What say you?”

I think most of the conservatives have given up on this site. The last post was 6 days ago and of the 115 responses, most were attacks. Discussions are one thing, but attacks are another. I’m just sticking around because I like to see everyone melt down.

KAP
“I have to agree with oldguy seeing how I’m an oldguy to. The left is self distructing the Obama campaign.”

Thank you KAP, us old guys have to stick together. I’m glad our health conditions are not posted here, someone might want to bury us too.

submarinesforever
“I am just posting this to see if I am banned. I have made 2 attemps to post an answer to your article entitled “Should Women Control Their Own Body?” and they have not been held for consideration. If I have violated any rules, please let me know which ones.”
Thanks.”

Well, it depends on whether you are a lefty or a righty.

Posted by: Oldguy at September 10, 2008 9:40 PM
Comment #262592

Many websites list McCain’s chances of dying at 30% for two terms, and 12% for one term. This isn’t just a guess, it’s statistics.

That’s a freaking high chance!

http://news.yahoo.com/s/politico/20080903/pl_politico/13096

Posted by: Max at September 10, 2008 11:02 PM
Comment #262593

Btw, this is exactly the same time that Republicans gained over Kerry, and for exactly the same reasons. The Republican strategy is to distract - why else would the McCain camp say Obama is sexist to use the phrase “lipstick on a pig?” McCain himself has used the expression dozens of times in the past. It’s clear the McCain camp is just throwing as much cr*p as possible around to distract from real issues.

Posted by: Max at September 10, 2008 11:06 PM
Comment #262594

Btw, the claim that Obama sent a team of lawyers to Alaska to investigate Palin is also false. No one from Obama’s team or the DNC has been sent to Alaska.

The internet rumors have gotten out of control.

Posted by: Max at September 10, 2008 11:11 PM
Comment #262596
The internet rumors have gotten out of control.

Now? They just got there NOW?

Posted by: Rhinehold at September 10, 2008 11:43 PM
Comment #262597

Max,

Was John Fund just making it up then?

The full quote, from an item by conservative columnist John Fund, dated Sept. 9:

WSJ’s John Fund, Sept. 9: Democrats have airdropped a mini-army of 30 lawyers, investigators and opposition researchers into Anchorage, the state capital Juneau and Mrs. Palin’s hometown of Wasilla to dig into her record and background. My sources report the first wave arrived in Anchorage less than 24 hours after John McCain selected her on August 29.

Fund said the opposition researchers were mainly interested in a controversy surrounding Palin’s firing of her public safety commissioner, Walt Monegan. Monegan has claimed he was dismissed because he wouldn’t fire a state trooper who was in a divorce battle with Palin’s sister; the Alaska Legislature is investigating whether Palin acted properly. Fund also stated that the Palin family has accused the trooper of “using a Taser on his 10-year-old stepson, drinking in his patrol car and illegally shooting a moose.”

Don’t you think it would be moronically stupid for the Obama campaign NOT to send people to Alaska to check out Palin?

Posted by: Rhinehold at September 10, 2008 11:47 PM
Comment #262600

Max,

Here is the link:

http://online.wsj.com/article/SB122098190668515511.html?mod=opinion_journal_political_diary

You can read it yourself.

Posted by: Oldguy at September 11, 2008 12:08 AM
Comment #262601

“Don’t you think it would be moronically stupid for the Obama campaign NOT to send people to Alaska to check out Palin?”

I do Rhinehold and hopefully they sent at least 30 as it seems the only way Palin will be vetted is if someone other that McCain does it. The latest news report says the plan is for McCain and Palin to campaign together for the duration of the campaign. Even on the campaign airplane she is not allowed to talk with the press. That also seems moronically stupid to me as well as a new low in politics.

Posted by: j2t2 at September 11, 2008 12:09 AM
Comment #262605

ABC plans prime-time Palin specialPublished - Sep 10 2008 07:00PM EDT | AP


Charles Gibson’s interviews with Republican vice presidential candidate Sarah Palin will form the basis of a special prime-time edition of “20/20” Friday, ABC said Wednesday.

Gibson is traveling to Fairbanks and Wasilla, Alaska, for the first TV interviews with Palin since she was selected as John McCain’s running mate. The first excerpts of the talks will be shown on “World News” Thursday.

Gibson is having three separate interviews with Palin, ABC said. Parts of the interviews will be spread around other ABC news programs, including “Nightline” and “Good Morning America.”

Posted by: Oldguy at September 11, 2008 12:23 AM
Comment #262607

A desperate post by an increasingly desperate ideology as they watch their candidate make a gaffe a day which may keep the white house away.

Posted by: David M. Huntwork at September 11, 2008 12:59 AM
Comment #262608

David,
I don’t think you or Oldguy or Liam will vote for McCain in November, because I don’t think you will vote against your own interests.

McCain has publicly stated he does not understand the economy. He has every intention of continuing the Bush economic program, he has been quite clear, quite explicit about this, and you guys have surely noticed- it isn’t working. In fact, it’s going very badly. None of us can afford to stay this course.

The GOP needs new ideas and new directions, and I am sure all of you would agree that McCain does not offer new ideas, and has no intention of pursuing a different direction.

Give it some thought in the coming weeks. Watch which candidate shows focus and addresses issues. Watch which candidate avoids them and concentrates on trivia. Take note of which candidate conducts himself with dignity and optimism, and which relies upon negative advertising.

You already know what I think. Step back, watch, and make your judgment based upon what is best for the country…

Posted by: phx8 at September 11, 2008 1:28 AM
Comment #262611

so phx8, are you still holding with your predictions from a week or so ago??
It’s just more obvious all the time that the campaign can’t trust Palin out by herself at all. Even the Gibson interview is being done where they can keep an eye on her and a gag close to her as well.

Posted by: janedoe at September 11, 2008 2:22 AM
Comment #262613

Here is the FactCheck info on this McPalin ad, too.

http://www.factcheck.org/elections-2008/off_base_on_sex_ed.html

Posted by: janedoe at September 11, 2008 2:49 AM
Comment #262615

janedoe,
I predicted Palin would be gone by mid-September, and right now it appears unlikely. A lot has come out in the vetting, but nothing the McCain campaign cannot live with- even the Enquirer investigation into an affair seems acceptable at this point. Republicans have a weird ability to tolerate hypocrisy, even when it becomes obvious and blatantly shameful. Go figure.

Tonight Palin mimicked a Reagan line about how government isn’t the solution, but the problem. It was drop dead stupid, considering the government just bailed out Fannie Mae and Freddie Mac in order to prevent a depression. Palin has no freakin’ clue about the economy. She does not know what she is talking about. Really. She is flat out uninformed. Oh well. I’m pretty sure the more thoughtful conservatives will eventually draw the same conclusion. We simply cannot afford to elect people who are clueless. It’s just not a good idea.

Posted by: phx8 at September 11, 2008 3:00 AM
Comment #262616

Here’s some more acidic “humor”….an email from someone who is actually a friend, but is bent on moralistic and “religious” beliefs.

Solidarity
There are fewer than three months until the election, an election that will decide the next President of the United States. The person elected will be the president of all Americans, not just the Democrats or the Republicans. To show our solidarity as Americans, let’s all get together and show each other our support for the candidate of our choice. It’s time that we all came together, Democrats and Republicans alike. If you support the policies and character of John McCain, please drive with your headlights on during the day. If you support Obama, please drive with your headlights off at night.
Thank you and God Bless

Posted by: janedoe at September 11, 2008 3:08 AM
Comment #262617

Ya, well Phx8, I gotta tell you I liked your earlier predictions better… ;)
As soon as anyone is able to ask her questions that all the other candidates have ever been asked…..she’ll mess her skivvies and then everone will know how full of c**p she was before they got to her.
Hope you’re getting out and wising up those Oregonians…..!!

Posted by: janedoe at September 11, 2008 3:15 AM
Comment #262621

Thanks, Ray for pointing to the complete lack of issues that McCain/Palin are addressing in this campaign. A campaign so completely devoid of a moral compass, and values, that it as nothing but phony outrage, innuendo, and personality to run on.

We understand why there are no issues being raised by the Republicans, the record they have is a loser on them all.

Posted by: googlumpuugus at September 11, 2008 3:43 AM
Comment #262624

Up until a few weeks ago, I had basically never heard the word “vetting” in the media. But, while on the subject of vetting, yesterday Biden was speaking at a campaign ralley, and he began a vetting process of his own.

He was talking about the qualifications of HRC and said, maybe BHO had picked the WRONG running mate.

Talk about gaffs, I would like to have been a fly on the wall of BHO’s headquarters.

goog:

“Thanks, Ray for pointing to the complete lack of issues that McCain/Palin are addressing in this campaign. A campaign so completely devoid of a moral compass, and values, that it as nothing but phony outrage, innuendo, and personality to run on.

We understand why there are no issues being raised by the Republicans, the record they have is a loser on them all.”

This is funny, the Democrats don’t even know if they are running the right people. How does it feel to always be on the wrong and loosing side?

Posted by: Oldguy at September 11, 2008 8:41 AM
Comment #262625

Does anyone here, other than the repubs, think that if Obama was the 72 year old and McCain the young one that McCain’s camp wouldn’t be focusing on the age thing. Get real posters from the right-you know your lying, sleazy guy will use anything to win. Our guy has tried to stay focused on issues and not make this personal. Obama has yet to bring up the age thing but it might happen now that Obama is about to let those 521? groups (what’s that number-I forgot right now)start helping out. I for one can’t wait.

Posted by: Carolina at September 11, 2008 9:07 AM
Comment #262627
Does anyone here, other than the repubs, think that if Obama was the 72 year old and McCain the young one that McCain’s camp wouldn’t be focusing on the age thing

I believe that they would and the Democrats would be calling them mean and telling us how age shouldn’t matter.

This can be evidenced by the months and months of being told experience doesn’t matter for president and then excoriating a VP candidate for lack of it. Again, the same goes the other way.

All it does is tell the rest of us that there really is little difference between the two campaigns, it’s all about winning and power.

So, keep proving us right by using the ‘well they do it too’ argument, that will really help swing independent and uncommitted voters, the people that both parties will need to court to win this thing.

Posted by: Rhinehold at September 11, 2008 9:29 AM
Comment #262628
Our guy has tried to stay focused on issues and not make this personal. Obama has yet to bring up the age thing

That is not true. Obama has released some pretty personal ads, in limited markets away from the national press, and one of them does a pretty sad job calling McCain old. Had the roles been reversed, you would be lambasting those ads, calling them despicable. The worst part is that they were released the same day that Obama stood up and lambasted the Republicans for going negative…

Posted by: Rhinehold at September 11, 2008 9:32 AM
Comment #262686

Kate,

Both you Carolina have blown the specific premise of my article out of the water, (Lymph nodes / cancer). The risk of cancer is still substantial however and the more general premise: health risk = Palin / extremist risk still stands.

Posted by: Ray Guest at September 11, 2008 3:50 PM
Comment #262709

I think JMcC will most likely be elected, and, like Cheney, will have the best health care in the world available to him. The economy won’t turn around, and he will not be relected in 2012. BHO will run for governor of IL, but I don’t think he will be elected. The Democrats may not heal from the wounding by BHO, who may go down in history as the savior of the Rpblcn party.

As an aside, Ray G, on your PH obsession, you should watch S2ep2 of Dirt, where “Milan Carlton” ends up in jail in someplace a lot like Singapore. It’s available on youtube downloads.

Posted by: ohrealy at September 11, 2008 5:47 PM
Comment #262955

I’ve TOTALLY noticed it. And that picture does not show it well at all. It’s increased in size over the past few weeks, as well. He Does his best to keep the left side of his face away from the cameras if you watch him closely, either that or the camera guys assigned to him are being merciful.

IS it a lymph node? I mean, do Presidential nominees have to go through medical exams with public reports like the presidents do??

Posted by: R Archer at September 13, 2008 6:21 PM
Comment #263060

Excuse me but what is your qualifications for diagnosing Mr. McCain with cancer through visual inspection of a PICTURE? Before you go making radical claims like that please remember that we’re not all as stupid as you think we are. I’d like to see credentials and pathology reports before I choose not to vote for McCain because of “cancer”.

Posted by: dobie1029 at September 15, 2008 9:50 PM
Comment #263111

I am an older adult specialist and if you look at the Center for Disease Control mortality statistics you will see that a white person in their mid-70’s has double the chance of dieing than a white person in their 50’s.

Also, there is something called, “Age Related Cognitive Decline” that occurs naturally as a person gets into their upper 70’s (sometimes earlier)and early 80’s. (Feel free to Google both for additional information.)

So the REAL question for me is, do I think Sarah Palin is qualified to run this country and the answer is ABSOLUTELY NOT. I live in Minnesota and know how far off the beaten path and disconnected from the world at large those of us in the far north really are.

As far as I am concerned, every person that voted for Bush should be held responsible for the sorry condition of this country and if Americans are so gullible as to elect another Republican to office we deserve what we get.

Posted by: A Concerned Citizen at September 16, 2008 3:27 PM
Comment #263342

Obama Picks On McCains War Wounds
The Obama campaign ad mocking John McCains computer literacy is missing an important fact.
The ad shows images of him from 1982 and goes on to say “1982, John McCain goes to Washington,” says the voiceover. “Things have changed in the last 26 years, but McCain hasn’t. “He admits he still doesn’t know how to use a computer, can’t send an e-mail,” What the Obama folks forget is that while McCain himself has often joked about his ignorance of email and phone texting, the Vietnam veteran rarely goes into the reason: his hands and fingers were shattered by wartime torture, making it painful to keyboard for any length of time.
Another new low for Obama and company.
Meanwhile, in reality, McCain has long been praised as one of the tech-savviest members of the U.S. Senate. In 2000, Slate.com cited him for what it described as a web first: “the first-ever cyberfundraiser.” The article also noted that McCain’s war wounds limited him at the keyboard, but described him as an enthusiast who embraced Silicon Valley entrepreneurs like Amazon.com founder Jeff Bezos. That same year, Forbes magazine described McCain as the “Senate’s savviest technologist

Posted by: Stop Picking On Wounded Vets at September 18, 2008 12:33 PM
Comment #263343

Why don’t you pick on his broken arm that can’t be raised above his shoulder while you are going on about some swolen lymph gland.
Don’t go all negative like Obama. Hopefully the content of your character can rise above that Obama ad.

Posted by: Raise Your Hand at September 18, 2008 12:35 PM
Comment #263561

Does nobody stop to think that Obama could get assasinated in office just like Kennedy, then we’d have Biden in charge? I’d say the chances are more likely for the latter than McCain dying in office. Happened before, could happen again. Lots of black haters out there.

Posted by: smokin joe at September 19, 2008 8:02 PM
Comment #266117

Great argument. Guess we shouldn’t vote for Obama since he’s a smoker and probably has cancer. Guess we shouldn’t go to work today since we could wind up in a car wreck. Guess we shouldn’t live since we might die. Hope you can realize that a cup half empty is also a cup half full.

Posted by: Chief at October 7, 2008 10:09 PM
Comment #267115

I laughed my ass off. great post.

Posted by: briton at October 16, 2008 6:11 PM
Comment #268603

I cartainly respect John McCain and have always wondered what that lump was. His current lump (Sarah) will be his undoing in this election

Posted by: tom at October 28, 2008 6:17 PM
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