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The Democrats Hit a Homerun

We can now set aside questions of Democratic Unity and I can eat a little crow. Crow is not so bad, tastes just like chicken… if’n you cook it right…

"The holiest place on earth is where an ancient hatred has become a present love." Well, I never quite hated the Clintons, and my recent strong disdain was not exactly ancient, so I don't get to create any holiness. But: My former love of the Clintons has been restored in spades. Originally I was a die hard loyal supporter of Bill's and a fan of Hillary's. I became disdainful when I perceived Hillary as playing politics with the war in Iraq. Then I regained respect for her when she finally persuaded me that her position was principled and sincere, if albeit wrong. Then I swung back to strong disdain when she ran the misguided 3:00AM campaign commercials. But the moving sincere obviously genuine heartfelt speeches that she and President Clinton (retired) gave at the convention have banished all disdain from my heart.

In my article titled:Notes from the Obama Campaign in Ohio I said some really mean things about the Clinton campaign and somewhere along the way I said I might vote against her if she won the nomination. That was idiotic on my part of course. Woody Mena confronted me on it and I soon realized that I could not follow through on that pledge because McCain had to be defeated, but in the passion of the moment I considered it. Many of Hillary's supporters had a few "passions" of their own... If we are going to have all of these "passions" we should be having a lot more fun and we should be making a lot more babies. Anyhow... The Clinton's selfless passionate endorsement of Obama heals this rift and will bring Hillary's supporters home to our open arms.

Michelle Obama's speech was beautiful and showed the true family values of the Democratic Party as juxtaposed to the divisive slogans of the Republicans that are used as a smoke screen to distract from their total inability to care for human beings. I do not mean to imply here that Republicans personally lack empathy and compassion. On a personal level they have compassion, empathy, and morality. It is their party that is the problem. It has embraced a radical non-conservative, neo-conservative, neo-liberal ideology which makes it the totally sold out hand maiden of the rich and powerful proto-fascist, corporatist elite. That ideology puts corporate profits above people and prevents the Republican Party from actually caring about people on a political level which forces it rely on divisive slogans as a smoke screen.

Joe Biden's son, Joe Biden, and Obama all gave moving speeches. Unlike Bush and McCain, Biden has a stake in this war because his son is serving. Biden is an extraordinarily intelligent, experienced, tough attack dog with a gift of charm and an ability to connect with ordinary Americans. Obama has a unique ability to transcend the racial divide and to unify all good Americans around his inspiring uniquely American story. There are a few racist out there who will not be inspired but they are not good Americans are they? They belong in Nazi Germany. We defeated that abomination, so they have no country, but they should leave this one. Anyone else has to be inspired.

In my article titled: Judgment??? or... Experience??? I make the argument that Obama should pick Biden. Nailed that one.

Posted by Ray Guest at August 29, 2008 1:00 AM
Comments
Comment #259934

I feel that the last two nights have allayed most of our collective fears about Obama. Maybe I’m only speaking for my own personal thoughts and feelings, but it’s like that person that our son or daughter bring home with the announcement that they’re going to marry. We aren’t satisfied with just superficial information, we want all the “in the closet” and “under the bed” dirt.
His speeches, Michell’s speech,and Biden’s family opening their lives to us, showed me that neither family is so different from mine. I’m not talking about income, or property value or anything like that, but what we want for ourselves and our children.
I’m just incredibly impressed with…..and SOLD on Obama.

Posted by: janedoe at August 29, 2008 1:46 AM
Comment #259936

janedoe,

Thanks. Please volunteer on his campaign in some way large or small. We must win.

Posted by: Ray Guest at August 29, 2008 2:04 AM
Comment #259941

I will do as much as possible to contribute to a win for us!
I put this on the other column, too….is interesting….

http://mediamattersaction.org/swiftboating/

Posted by: janedoe at August 29, 2008 5:27 AM
Comment #259942

“Ask not what your country…” Never mind that Obama’s “country” will provide everything. AND cut taxes! Pay for it? Not necessary. Soaring deficits, growing interest on the debt…our children and our children’s children will pay while our generation spends and borrows, even wasting the oil national reserve created for supply cutoff emergencies but somehow needed now so our generation can spend less.

The Republicans are no answer. Ear marked waste and corruption. AND cut taxes.

The major networks are virtually silent on balancing the budget but instead “chearlead” on the wonderful big government program proposals.

We need to GET REAL. New programs reqire new revenues (taxes). Underfunded programs require new revenues (taxes). Everything else is Alice in Wonderland fluff.

Posted by: Tom Besly at August 29, 2008 7:02 AM
Comment #259943

Tom Besly-
I believe Obama’s speech dealt with that issue, saying that he would repeal the tax breaks for the rich, cut government waste, increase efficiency, cut unnecessary programs and the like.

But more to the point, folks on the right can talk about how the left is more spendthrift, more apt to run up debts, but even Carter can’t match the rate at which this last Republican and the Republican Congress he had with him spent, and they didn’t have the decency to ask the American people to pay for it now, rather than have our children pay for it with interest on top, and the money going to capitalize our rivals in China and other places.

Posted by: Stephen Daugherty at August 29, 2008 7:20 AM
Comment #259946

Ray

Michelle Obama’s speech was beautiful and showed the true family values of the Democratic Party as juxtaposed to the divisive slogans of the Republicans that are used as a smoke screen to distract from their total inability to care for human beings. I do not mean to imply here that Republicans personally lack empathy and compassion. On a personal level they have compassion, empathy, and morality. It is their party that is the problem. It has embraced a radical non-conservative, neo-conservative, neo-liberal ideology which makes it the totally sold out hand maiden of the rich and powerful proto-fascist, corporatist elite. That ideology puts corporate profits above people and prevents the Republican Party from actually caring about people on a political level which forces it rely on divisive slogans as a smoke screen.

You have successfully put into words my exact view towards the GOP and where there alliances lie. I have in many of my replies on this site attempted to place a distinction between the priorities of the republican party and the values of their constituency. As you say as an organization they very much resemble that of a corporation giving priority to the party while viewing human intangibles as little more than an afterthought. They cloak their corporate image under a blanket of pretense by claiming virtues they do not in reality practice. What amazes me is that so many people can be duped by such an obvious obfuscation for so many years and still view them as the party of choice.

Posted by: RickIL at August 29, 2008 8:30 AM
Comment #259949

You know it does not add up! It never adds up! Snip here, snip there, and then blugeon the budget with huge programs! AND cut taxes. When the proposals are broken down as unworkable the justification that the other party is just as bad or worse is trudged out. This type of promise “everything politics” is over 200 years old and does not represent change.

Posted by: Tom Besly at August 29, 2008 8:34 AM
Comment #259956

I commented in the wrong double-posted article. I think we need to have a look at that…

Ray,

The convention was a Dem love-fest, the news of it is that they had to spend so much time trying to ‘heal the party’ that any goal of trying to attract independants feel pretty flat.

So, while I have much to quibble with this article, you said something so profane that I really had to stop and just focus on that.

There are a few racist out there who will not be inspired but they are not good Americans are they? They belong in Nazi Germany. We defeated that abomination, so they have no country, but they should leave this one. Anyone else has to be inspired.

First, I do not get inspired by Obama because I see through the rhetoric. Now, according to you, I’m a Nazi racist? You don’t even get why so many Hillary supporters are upset with the Obama campaign, do you? Bill was called a racist, Ferarro was called a racist, basically anyone who disagrees with Obama, doesn’t find him inspiring or considers voting for someone else is, according to many, including yourself, is a racist.

I’m sorry, but that attitudes turns more people off than on. If you think that you can create ‘unity’ by trashing anyone who disagrees with your point of view a racist, well, I don’t know what your definition of unity is, but I bet it doesn’t jive with mine.

So, thanks to attitudes like this and more of the same from Obama on how he wants to ‘lead’ this country right over the concepts of individual liberty, I’ll be making sure to vote for someone else this fall.

Posted by: Rhinehold at August 29, 2008 8:59 AM
Comment #259964

Tom B

You know it does not add up! It never adds up! Snip here, snip there, and then blugeon the budget with huge programs! AND cut taxes.

Of course it does not add up. You are correct that it never adds up, at least not by way of old ideology. It is not a matter of bludgeoning the budget. It is a matter of prioritizing the budget. It is a matter of altering reliance on outdated, debilitating direction and pursuing a more practical direction with the intent of becoming a more independent society that can lead the way into the future instead of continuing a course of stagnation. It is what our country needs. So long as we live in the past and continue to support failed ideologies that is where we will remain. The result will be that we will never escape the rising costs of dependency. The rising costs of dependency and resultant profits that the old wealthy institutions of this country have no interest in giving up.

Posted by: RickIL at August 29, 2008 9:43 AM
Comment #259967

RickIL,

It’s like watching bizzaro world. So, now the ‘new ideology’ of the Progressive movment is to reduce dependancy? So, we reduce dependancy on government by increasing the reach of government into our lives and violate individual liberties?

Interesting. Well, it will certainly be easier to accomplish once that gun ban makes its way through the Democratically controlled congress to the desk of Obama. Rats, the Supreme Court might still interefere! Well, we’ll just have to wait until a couple of those geezers retire or die then…

Posted by: Rhinehold at August 29, 2008 9:58 AM
Comment #259969

janedoe,

Thanks for the excellent link. We also need the names and pedigrees of this years crop of “Swiftboat Veterans for Lies” so that we can immediately recognize these things.


ALL,

I can catch up with you all now because I am traveling. Thanks for your comments.

I do however have a special place in my heart for Rhinehold and must respond to his last comment. I didn’t know that they aired 2 entirely different versions of this convention because you obviously did not see the same version of it that I seen. The whole thing was all about racial and national reconciliation and reaching across the aisle. I did not like it. It was far too moderate for this old die hard liberal. But this old die hard liberal, as all old die hard liberals, knows the difference between what is right and what is real - which is to say that unlike McCain and the Bush regime we know the difference between an unnecessary war and a whole in the ground… We are realist. Obama’s speech in particular explicitly reached out to pro-life, pro-gun, anti-gay, anti-big government conservatives… Where were you and why did they air a different version to you.


Posted by: Ray Guest at August 29, 2008 10:00 AM
Comment #259971

Ray,

We can disagree about the speech all we want, that’s what human beings should be free to do, but you still don’t (can’t) defend your call of racsist those who disagree with you. Because you even went to that level, anything else you have to say is not worth listening too.

Posted by: Rhinehold at August 29, 2008 10:03 AM
Comment #259978

Rhinehold

I honestly do not feel that my liberties have been or may be in any way compromised through the reality that we all should and maybe even at some point must be a bit more responsible in our living styles. I am currently making adjustments in my living style as the result of rapidly rising costs for everything. I am not living badly but I can not travel as often as I like, enjoy dining out as much, go to the movies as much, I turn down the heat in winter and suffer through less air conditioning in the summer etc. I don’t feel that anyone has directly taken those rights away from me. It is the result of cost not mandate. Unfortunately this is where we are at in this country at this time. It can not be denied, ignored or forgotten. Should anyone attempt to make it law that I can not live as I please then I will feel threatened. So long as cost is the afflicting factor there is little I can do other than support those who I feel have the insight to lead us to better times.

Posted by: RickIL at August 29, 2008 10:48 AM
Comment #259980
I honestly do not feel that my liberties have been or may be in any way compromised through the reality that we all should and maybe even at some point must be a bit more responsible in our living styles.

I know you don’t.

So long as cost is the afflicting factor there is little I can do other than support those who I feel have the insight to lead us to better times.

And how do they plan on getting us there? That is where the violations will occur.

You are making adjustments, because you decide to. But when you are made to make those adjustments, by law, the choice is gone, isn’t it?

Posted by: Rhinehold at August 29, 2008 10:58 AM
Comment #259998

“But when you are made to make those adjustments, by law, the choice is gone, isn’t it?”

Come on Rhinehold, you know who is making you make that adjustment, is what is most important.
As long as the adjustment is something you believe in, the hell with the rights of others.

Posted by: kctim at August 29, 2008 12:12 PM
Comment #260035


The reason I can no longer support the Democratic party is because I have heard these great speeches over and over, time after time, election after election. Words of promise followed by inaction or opposite actions, which is the case with liberal Democrats are just lies.

Rhinehold: If I thought for even a second that these liberals were planning to produce a progressive movement, I would still be voting Democrat. You forgot to mention that if by some quirk of fate, Obama were to lose this election, it will be because of racism and or diebold.

Posted by: jlw at August 29, 2008 2:01 PM
Comment #260036

Rhinehold

And how do they plan on getting us there? That is where the violations will occur.

As I see it, our beginning will be in an effort to legislate support and effect new energy policy in the form of renewables and the means to get them to the American public. We are talking a vast industry that will crop up and take off over night given the opportunity. It is needed and could if handled properly go a long ways towards heading us in a responsible and lucrative direction.

If you are suggesting that someone is going to force you into a lifestyle in an effort to change energy policy I think you would be reaching a bit. We are already changing our lifestyles and no one has mandated it. What will bring change for the better is the recognition of and demand for more efficent energy related products should we decide as a nation to pursue and provide the necessary infrastructure. If we, as a people refuse to bend to the demands of the fossil industry by living our lives more efficiently their profits and influence should diminish allowing the renewable industry to play on a level field.

Should someone give indication that I will be forced to make adjustments I would most assuredly feel threatened. I do not however feel threatened. It is my opinion that removing the fossil factor from the equation will allow the free markets with a bit of support from government, in the form of better building codes, and responsible infrastructure rebuilding will get us where we need to be. I know I am looking at the big picture in generalities here. But it is possible with proper leadership and if we can inhibit the fossil factor.

I must say that you are not alone in realizing the need for vigilance where our liberties are concerned. It is the responsibility of all of us to demand explanation and action when our liberties are indeed threatened. This is not something I take lightly.

Posted by: RickIL at August 29, 2008 2:03 PM
Comment #260082

I still would have preferred Hillary, because I think she would have done a better job of cleaning up Bush’s mess first and set the stage for Obama to follow on and take us much further than he can now.

Once I saw he was going to win, I figured - hoped - he’d pick Biden, because Hillary can do more as Senate Majority Leader (I hope she gets the spot) than she can as VP, and certainly do a better job than Pelosi.

Posted by: Glenn Contrarian at August 29, 2008 3:37 PM
Comment #260132

“We are realist. Obama’s speech in particular explicitly reached out to pro-life, pro-gun, anti-gay, anti-big government conservatives… Where were you and why did they air a different version to you.” Posted by: Ray Guest at August 29, 2008 10:00 AM

Ray, as a conservative the reach I felt by Barry’s speech was a reach for my wallet. But back to your analysis, by mentioning gays having hospital privileges normally reserved for married hetero couples, and by saying we can all agree on a ban on the sales of fully automatic weapons is Barry signaling a change of position…a willingness to compromise? I would be interested in hearing the gay and anti-gun groups comments on this.

John and Sarah will make a great team to bring Republicans and conservatives of both parties success in the election and in governing. I am thrilled by John’s choice and a woman on the ticket will bring novelty to the ticket as being black has done for the Dems. Had the dems done the logical and smart thing by putting Hillary first and Obama second on the ticket this could have been a real race. Now, I see a slow decline in the Obama/Biden numbers as their tired old liberal positions fade away.

My hope after the election, is that Joe, Barry and Hillary go back to the senate and practice the “reaching out across the aisle” they have been promoting.

Posted by: Jim M at August 29, 2008 4:44 PM
Comment #260140

Our entire Convention was Awesome. So many great speeches, and so wonderfully energized!!! It really feels like we’ve got this one in the bag — but you know we can’t relax even for a moment. Got to keep working hard folks!

Posted by: Veritas Vincit at August 29, 2008 4:54 PM
Comment #260146

LOL. You’ve certainly done a lot of work.

Posted by: Yukon Jake at August 29, 2008 5:00 PM
Comment #260174

LOL, if only you knew how many new voters I’ve signed up!!!

Posted by: Veritas Vincit at August 29, 2008 5:40 PM
Comment #260190

VV

I like your optimism and I do share it. You are correct that the convention was awesome despite what conservatives would like us to believe. They are practicing that same old tactic of if you say it enough times people will start to believe it. The problem for them is they have used it about a hundred times too many. Their childish implications are indication of a serious green-eyed envy syndrome. We should be reveling in the idea that they feel so threatened by us meager little wimp ass liberals.

Posted by: RickIL at August 29, 2008 6:31 PM
Comment #260195

VV

Did you see the numbers for the convention last night. 38 million viewers. Almost double Kerry’s acceptance speech. Pretty incredible if you ask me.

Posted by: RickIL at August 29, 2008 6:42 PM
Comment #260198

And all of this goading that is so perfected by the R’s ….we should know better than to fall for it, but some comments are so absurd and assenine, that they just piss me off!!!
Good going on the sign-ups VV.

Posted by: janedoe at August 29, 2008 6:47 PM
Comment #260226

janedoe

some comments are so absurd and assenine, that they just piss me off!!!

Many of them never grew beyond schoolyard taunting tactics. You know what I mean, it doesn’t matter what they say, no matter how absurd, it is a way of letting your peers know they are still there even though their position in the hierarchy has been compromised. And then there is that whole futility and frustration thing to deal with. Life sure can be complicated some times ;)

Posted by: RickIL at August 29, 2008 8:01 PM
Comment #260271

I would only agree that Michelle’s speech was the best, and that she has improved from her earlier statements in the campaign, but the things that she left out were more interesting to me than the things she said. The speeches were all crafted to avoid mentioning anything that might end up as out-of-context soundbytes on Fux.

Posted by: ohrealy at August 29, 2008 10:34 PM
Comment #260355

Rhinehold,

I am not calling people racist for not supporting Obama. I am only saying his story is an inspiring American story and the only reason that an American would not be inspired is racism. Perhaps you have another reason to explain why an American might not be inspired by an inspiring American story???

Jim M.

You wrote:

Ray, as a conservative the reach I felt by Barry’s speech was a reach for my wallet. But back to your analysis, by mentioning gays having hospital privileges normally reserved for married hetero couples, and by saying we can all agree on a ban on the sales of fully automatic weapons is Barry signaling a change of position…a willingness to compromise? I would be interested in hearing the gay and anti-gun groups comments on this.
Who is Barry? Obama was not reaching for the hard right wing extremist. They are unreachable. He was reaching for the middle. I haven’t heard MCCain advocate for National Single Payer Health Care either. See: Market Principals and Healthcare.

All,

Thanks all for the good debate and for holding the Republican wolves at bay.

ohrealy,

I always call it Faux but i just got the Fux reference…

Posted by: Ray Guest at August 30, 2008 11:26 AM
Comment #260362

“I am only saying his story is an inspiring American story and the only reason that an American would not be inspired is racism.”

RG, just to pick a fight, you are calling people racist if they are not inspired by BHO? I am not inspired by him, so I’m a racist by your logic. Watch your phraseology! Try reading David Mendell’s biography of “Obama: From Promise To Power”, http://davidmendell.com/ BHO doesn’t walk on water. He’s just another politician. Cynthia McKinney is the candidate for you. I think she’s great, but I’m not inspired by her either. I’m only inspired by people who contribute something to our culture, not politics.

Posted by: ohrealy at August 30, 2008 12:04 PM
Comment #260381

Ray Guest asks, “Who is Barry?” Surely you jest Ray. If you’re not jesting, you should read or listen more carefully. You will hear Mr. Obama explain the origin of that name from his very own mouth.

Posted by: Jim M at August 30, 2008 2:02 PM
Comment #260391


Ray:

Republicans claim that the way to handle poverty is through private charity.

Democrats have institutionalized poverty and tax the more fortunate to support the unfortunate.

Both philosophies only treat the symptoms rather than cure the problem. The only way to truely address the problem is progressive policy.

There is little doubt that the Democrats liberal approach to poverty is far more protective of the corporate oligarchy than the conservative approach would be.

Obama’s little finger is progressive. The rest of him is pure liberal. As long as progressives are willing to support rather than convert liberals, progress will be minimal at best. In the meantime, the corporate oligarchy continues to consolidate it’s power.

If the conservatives were to have their way, the corporate capitalist house of cards would crumble.
Therefor, it is incumbent upon the liberals to maintain the oligarchy.

As we have seen over the past year, many corporations that have used poor judgement and bad business practices are now considered to large to fail. Liberals watched as their politicians rushed to accomidate these corporations with tax dollars.

If the liberal Democrats manage to win this election and regain control of the government, I predict that very little regulatory legislation will pass through Congress and any legislation that does pass will be watered down significantly by corporate lobbyist money before it is signed into law.

Ray: The Democrats hit a line drive double off the left field fence rather than a home run. The outcome of the game is still very much in doubt. Although you are playing an obviously weaker team, crippled with injuries, they are still making a game of it. If the liberals had allowed their best hitter to bat cleanup rather than your pitch hitter, she would have hit a grand slam and the game would be over.

Posted by: jlw at August 30, 2008 3:29 PM
Comment #260393

RickIl….thanks for staying cool, calm and collected…. ;),,,,and oh ya……. RIGHT !

Posted by: janedoe at August 30, 2008 4:21 PM
Comment #260431

RickIL:

I like your optimism and I do share it.

:^D Yeah, baby!!!

You are correct that the convention was awesome despite what conservatives would like us to believe. They are practicing that same old tactic of if you say it enough times people will start to believe it. The problem for them is they have used it about a hundred times too many.

It Rocked. Plain and Simple, and from Start to Finish. And I think that each and every Republican knows it, too. No matter what they’re saying.
Can’t wait to see what the Not-So-Grand Old Party will do with their own gig.

Their childish implications are indication of a serious green-eyed envy syndrome. We should be reveling in the idea that they feel so threatened by us meager little wimp ass liberals.

Ha! It’s the Truth.

janedoe:

Did you see the numbers for the convention last night. 38 million viewers. Almost double Kerry’s acceptance speech. Pretty incredible if you ask me.

Absolutely Amazing! Btw, and speaking of Kerry, did you happen to catch his convention speech? It was terrific, fierce, and spot-on on every point, but I heard they didn’t show it on prime time in the MSM. Only C-Span seems to have shown it. Here’s a link if anyone missed it:

John Kerry Convention Speech

Good going on the sign-ups VV.

Thanks, Jane! Anyone who can hold a clipboard can do the same if they want to — just contact the Obama campaign, or go directly to the local campaign headquarters and tell them you’re ready and willing to help out. Even if all folks feel like doing is to make a few phone calls, it matters. Every little thing people do could add up to our winning this election, instead of losing it.

Posted by: Veritas Vincit at August 30, 2008 8:14 PM
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Who Are US Communists Voting For
With Communists rioting at the RNC, after peaceful protests at the DNC, you can tell which candidate they are voting for. The Democrats obviously get the Communist vote. If there is any stronger ringing endorsement to vote Republican, I can’t think of one.

Posted by: pom pom girl at September 2, 2008 5:24 PM
Comment #261031

Anarchy For Obama
With Anarchists rioting at the RNC (HA HA), after peaceful protests at the DNC, you can tell which candidate they we’re voting for. Obama obviously gets my Anarchy vote. I just wish he had put Bill Ayres on the Ticket. Oh well there is still hope that he will put him in a cabinet position so we get some representation at the table.

Posted by: crush on obama at September 2, 2008 5:26 PM
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