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John McCain – Foreign Policy Cowboy

There is honoring service and there is homage in support of a military cult.. Sen. McCain has been on the receiving end of military cult reverence. Knowing this to be true, McCain uses the Viet Nam War as a center piece of his campaign. He routinely references his Viet Nam service, 33 years after the fall of Saigon, on a more regular basis than he does about any contributions he may have made to society since.

With all his talk of Viet Nam he neglects to add that he ardently believed that the fall of Viet Nam would be the beginning of a “domino effect” spread of communism across Southeast Asia. He was absolutely wrong. And proves to be absolutely wrong today.

During the 1990's, he lobbied then Pres. Clinton to open Vietnam to U.S. trade. McCain the anti-Vietnamese Communist had become a major supporter of making a buck with those communists. And yet, Criticize McCain and you are accused of criticizing his service in Viet Nam. He is given a protection that few other Viet Nam veterans have achieved – ask Max Cleland or John Kerry.

Why does McCain get a free pass? McCain is a son of America's elite. That group of people who view themselves as beyond reproach. His father, Commander of the U.S. Pacific Command from 1968-1972 was a big player in the alleged loss of Viet Nam. He like his son claimed Viet Nam was a war that could have and should have been won. and communism would spread as a result of a defeat.

Back in the day, the word coming out of the Pacific Command, the Secretary of Defense he reported to and the President of the U.S. - top of this command chain - all claimed if Viet Nam fell, it would be initiate a domino effect and all of Southeast Asia would fall. History has show this ideology to have been absolutely wrong, wrong, wrong. They pursued a war on the based on ignorance of the theater of operations, the Vietnamese people, and disregard for the fact Viet Nam guerillas defeated the Japanese during World War II, won their freedom and we, the U.S., gave Viet Nam back to France. War against colonial occupation begins in earnest.

The U.S. Military leadership and their conservative patrons have a world view based on their political agenda rather than reality. The reality of the world in general is of no interest to them.

That's what John McCain brings to this campaign. He believes everyone else lost the war in Viet Nam except for he and his father. Everyone let the nation down except for he and his father. He believes that even today the nation is being let down by everyone who disagrees with him.

Sen. McCain has a problem. The problem is he is unfit for command. He has a huge chip on his shoulder. His grandfather was a top dog. His father was a top dog. He believes owed top dog status and would do and say anything to achieve “top dog” status. For that reason I view him as a potential foreign policy arsoninst. He could very well use the office of the presidency to fabricate a modern version of the domino effect so that he can ride in and save the day with a glorious military victory.

What is sad is that there are millions of Americans who are willing to join him and bloody another part of the world just so they can thump their chests “We're number 1”

This nation needs diplomats not another glory seeking cowboy.

Posted by Mike Wrona at August 24, 2008 9:05 AM
Comments
Comment #259350

McCain is yet another example of why primogeniture is a horrible way to pick leaders and why an aristocracy of ability trumps these people every time. Just because your father and grandfather might have been qualified leaders it doesn’t mean you will be, it seems to be the case that you are much less likely to be than someone without your family tree.

It is sad that McCain has turned into the person he has. I had a lot of respect for him before 2000 and felt sorry for him when W went way beyond the pale in attacking him - especially the crap that went down in South Carolina. The Dems will never use attacks that personal, beside the point, racist, bigoted as W used on McCain. As Joe Biden said, he doesn’t know what happened to his friend. He is not the person who earned the nickname “maverick” - he is not that anymore. The Dems will attack him on policy, on judgment, on his lack of qualifications to be CIC not on the crap that W used against him.

You are dead on about McCain’s view of what went wrong in Vietnam. He blames everyone but the policy to start a war like that in the first place and he has helped us get into another one and is talking the same way he did about losing Vietnam. Not learning from the past does not earn you credits towards foreign policy experience.

Posted by: tcsned at August 24, 2008 10:40 AM
Comment #259365

Mike,
I agree he’s nothing more than a war “hero”. Meaning he was mostly ineffective because he got shot down. He belongs in the Veterans parade, not in the Whitehouse. The only thing positive he did was McCain Feingold which has been bypassed so much it needs a some Plavix and a stent. That he did it to make his name associated with something other than the Keating Five is just pathetic.

Tcsned, thanks for the new word. I had to look it up.

Posted by: googlumpugus at August 24, 2008 12:22 PM
Comment #259366

Good article, Mike Wrona and Welcome to Watchblog.

Posted by: Veritas Vincit at August 24, 2008 12:24 PM
Comment #259374

I have a friend who once had a very long conversation with John McCain and she has come to similar conclusions about his behavior as Joe Biden has. Great post Mike. I think your dead on, keep up the good work.

Posted by: napajohn at August 24, 2008 1:15 PM
Comment #259378

A timely message, presented succinctly. Good job…

Posted by: Marysdude at August 24, 2008 2:09 PM
Comment #259388

Vietnam veterans haven’t fared that well up to now in Presidential politics. I think we already had this election in 1988. GHWBush won, and he was more of a loser than JMcC. You just have to hope the electorate holds everything W did against him, the economy doesn’t improve, Babar gets a big vote, or that W does something even stupider in the next 2 1/2 months. Let’s all “hope”.

Posted by: ohrealy at August 24, 2008 4:06 PM
Comment #259476

The liberal dems have really put together a winning team this time. Little Lord Barry in his short pants will be sitting on Uncle Joe’s knee telling America we need change. A reverse idea in ventriloquism, this time the puppet will be putting his words in the mouth of the puppeteer.

Unlike his earlier voice as a candidate, Uncle Joe will have to swallow hard and pronounce Little Lord Barry “ready to be CIC”.

Uncle Joe proudly announced his Roman Catholic beliefs in hopes of wooing that vote believing that no one will notice his 100% voting record against the very Catholic pro-life offical position. Following Barry’s famous utterance, “just words, just speeches” Uncle Joe knows it’s only words that count, not actions.

Pay no attention to what I have said recently about Barry being unfit for the CIC position, or my pro-choice voting record, or my Iraq war position, or my (fill in the blanks) I have now seen the light and Barry’s ready to lead and I will follow.

I am wondering if we will see any of Barry’s white heredity shine thru or will it just be his black side. Will his momma’s contribution of genes be recognized or ignored.

Posted by: Jim M at August 25, 2008 3:45 PM
Comment #259481

Jim, what about the Catholic Church’s equally official position about no death penalty and no war? Or do we just conveniently forget what the whole “culture of life” is and just focus on fetuses? What is the policy of the pro-lifers for taking care of children after they leave the womb? I think it is much more of a violation of “official catholic policy” as you put it, for the state to actually kill people, let children go hungry, and ignore the poor.

Posted by: tcsned at August 25, 2008 4:10 PM
Comment #259493

Jim M, I’m curious how you distinguish white heredity from black? Mind cluing us in?

Posted by: googlumpugus at August 25, 2008 5:04 PM
Comment #259506

tcsned, I didn’t know that Barry and Uncle Joe are against the death penalty. Now that would be interesting. The Roman Catholic church in its 2000 year history has been personally involved in many wars but I do not know of a similar position favoring abortion in its past.

googlumpugus, the answer will be found in the photos and video displayed at the DNC in portraying the life of young Barry. To date, Barry has seemed to concentrate on his black half much more than his white half and I am wondering why. Is that not a fair question? I would like to think that this possible president is not ashamed of, or renounces, either side of his black and white heritage.

Posted by: Jim M at August 25, 2008 6:10 PM
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clarancec-

I see you have nothing to offer regarding what John McCain has done for America.

If you can’t defend the man why do you bother writing.

Posted by: Mike Wrona at August 25, 2008 6:35 PM
Comment #259514

clarancec-

So after nearly 30 years in office you have no achievements to write about.

I appreciate your validating my assessment of him.

Posted by: Mike Wrona at August 25, 2008 6:38 PM
Comment #259523

Have any of you ever thought about the pre-political professions of recent presidents and the candidates being nominated for that position this year?

Jimmy Carter, governor, non-lawyer
Ronald Reagon, governor, non-lawyer
George H.W. Bush, non-lawyer
Bill Clinton, lawyer
George W. Bush, governor, non-lawyer
John McCain, military, non-lawyer
Mitt Romney (my pick for VP) governor, non-lawyer
Barry Obama, lawyer
Joe Biden, lawyer

We have two lawyers at the top of the dem ticket and in all likelihood, two non-lawyers at the top of the rep ticket. Why do I find this interesting?

Have you ever asked yourself or a friend what occupation or profession is most disliked or least trusted. Usually you will hear both “car salesman” and “lawyer” as the top contenders for that title.


Posted by: Jim M at August 25, 2008 7:03 PM
Comment #259533

Jim - I am well aware of the Catholic Church’s history and that neither Obama nor Biden have come out against the death penalty. I was speaking to the pick-and-choose politics of talking about the “culture of life,” a term that I believe was coined by Pope John Paul II and included abortion, the death penalty, and waging war. Neither of the Dem candidates have been running on this watered down version of being pro-life (meaning life for fetuses and no one else). The Catholic Church has not had an opinion on abortion until recent events have thrust it into the political spotlight.

People love to bash lawyers and while it is true that both Dem candidates are lawyers and McCain and Romney are not. I find it interesting that in your list you have Bill Clinton listed as a lawyer but not a governor. He & Reagan are probably the two most successful in this bunch from - though you probably think that Clinton’s policies were as disastrous as I think Reagan’s were. I don’t see what you are getting at with the lawyer non-lawyer thing. As I said at the beginning, people love to bash lawyers … until someone runs them over, tries to take their property, or they get wrongfully charged with a crime. As with any profession there are good lawyers and bad.

Posted by: tcsned at August 25, 2008 7:51 PM
Comment #259543

Jim M -

Abraham Lincoln - lawyer
FDR - lawyer
JFK - lawyer

Yeah, none of those lawyers ever do anything right, huh?

Posted by: Glenn Contrarian at August 25, 2008 9:08 PM
Comment #259544

Another topic hijacking. Vietnam backfired on Kerry, so I don’t know why anyone would think it would work for JMcC. I don’t know why he needs to be top dog, any more than I understand why BHO wants it, now at age 47. Clinton the chubby supposedly didn’t think he was going to live very long, although he was third youngest after JFK with all his lifelong ailments, and TR who only assumed office because McKinley was assassinated.

I don’t know about JMcC being that elite or that he “believes everyone else lost the war in Viet Nam except for he and his father. Everyone let the nation down except for he and his father. He believes that even today the nation is being let down by everyone who disagrees with him.” What exactly would be the source for that information, Mr. Wrona?

Jim Morrison was the son of an admiral. He became something of an icon, but in a semi-fictional sense.

Posted by: ohrealy at August 25, 2008 9:16 PM
Comment #259546

ohrealy - the reason that the vet thing didn’t work for Kerry was that he was lied about by the swiftboat liars and their sour grapes apparently gave them the right to make up stuff about Kerry. Ends justifies the means. The Dems aren’t going to attack McCain for being a POW - certainly not the way his friend George Bush did to him in 2000. I’m sure they’ll be plenty of personal attacks on his age, his stupidity, his wealth, his ignorance on the economy, his stubbornness in foreign policy, but not his military service. Though they may, and rightfully so, question him using being a POW as an excuse every time someone questions his judgment. To paraphrase Joe Biden, every sentence consists of a noun, a verb, and POW.

I think it is fair to question his exploitation of his military service, it is not fair to question his sacrifice. Much the same with Kerry, it was fair to question his political use of his military service but not question his service, especially with lies.

Posted by: tcsned at August 25, 2008 9:55 PM
Comment #259579

tcsned and Glenn, my bad in not listing Clinton as lawyer and governor, just a simple omission, nothing sinister. In many ways I did like Bill and some of his policies.

I left out Lincoln, Roosevelt and Kennedy as I had to end my comparison at some point. And, since I am old enough to have actually voted for Kennedy I can tell you that in the 60’s attorneys were viewed much more positively than they are today and for good reason. Want just one example, compare John Kennedy with the smarmy, despicable John Edwards. Please understand, I am referring to their lawyering and not their proclivity towards affairs with women.

Posted by: Jim M at August 26, 2008 12:34 PM
Comment #259625

tcsned, the Rpblcns are looking for any excuse to justify going really negative, as a fig leaf to cover JMcC. On Sunday, they were saying that all the 7 houses nonsense justified going back into using Rezko against BHO. There’s more to come on local stuff that hasn’t been aired, or that people are mostly unaware of. I was very surprised by one of the speeches yesterday, by someone that I have met previously in Evanston. The Rpblcns have all the ammo they need to kill BHO’s candidacy. They’ll probably do it anyway, but I don’t think attacking JMcC is going to accomplish anything but more of a backlash. With DE now, I’m counting 38 electoral votes for BHO.

Posted by: ohrealy at August 26, 2008 7:05 PM
Comment #261032

The Audacity Of Getting It Right
24 months ago Iraq was in trouble and two men saw different options. Obama had his pull out plan designed to push ahead with a speedy withdrawal of US troops which would have meant an even speedier withdrawal of allied troops. John McCain on the other hand championed a surge approach to boost troop levels and get the Al Qaeda backed insurgents and terrorists under control to help give the Iraqi Army more time to get ready to tackle them. Over a year since the surge and while we are still in Iraq, the government there is still in control and the Iraqi Army is gelling into an effective fighting force.
If we had left the Iraqi Army would be in chaos, the government would have collapsed, outright civil war would have erupted, oil might be at 300 a barrel and Iran would effectively control the Middle East. Obama was wrong on Iraq and his inexperience would have cost us, the region and the world economy. Its about getting it right and not just about hope. Lets thank John McCain and others like him for talking to the Military and working toward a solution instead of running away from the problem.

Posted by: McCain Was Right On Surge at September 2, 2008 5:27 PM
Comment #261660

Changing Leadership In Wartime
We know as do the terrorists that John McCain will pursue the Terrorists and hold rogue states accountable as do our allies. We also know that he is his own man and will bring his own brand of change to The Presidency and will fight for ethics in Washington.
Changing leadership during a war will give our allies pause and our enemies hope! We can be certain of this reaction because Obama is on record as wanting to negotiate with Iran/Korea/Venezuela on their turf, voted against the surge, was against removing Saddam Hussein and was initially soft on the Soviet Invasion of Georgia. At the same time Israel has confirmed that Biden told them to get used to a Nuclear Armed Iran so we know that he accepts that horrific eventuality and one can only assume that Obama does as well.

Posted by: I'm Gumby Dammit at September 5, 2008 7:59 AM
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