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I'm baaaaack!

It’s great to be back in the Watchblog family after a year hiatus. Too much has happened in the last year to comment on it all. As we near the Democratic Convention in Denver everyone is on pins an needles as to who Obama will select as his VP - Biden? Bayh? Kaine? Any one of these would make a good VP - I like Tim Kaine from my home state of Virginia…

Kaine could help my vote for president count for the first time since I voted for Mondale in 1984 which would be nice and he would be a big help with the Catholic vote. He was a missionary in Honduras and won the Virginia gubernatorial race with almost 52% of the vote. Seeing that there are no other prospects from a swing state makes Kaine a good pick. He also has executive experience - he has been Governor of a politically very mixed state as well as Mayor of Richmond. The one thing he lacks is foreign policy experience. Biden and Bayh have that but another senator on the ticket isn't what Obama needs. However, McCain, while running on his Commander in Chief credentials has shown that he is really all bluster no substance as he seems to not know the difference between Sunni and Shiite, doesn't understand Iran, and has a big conflict of interest when it comes to the Russia/Georgia conflict.

Biden and Bayh would also be excellent picks and would make much better presidents than McCain. I personally was hoping for Jim Webb or Mark Warner (who will be representing my state with the keynote address at the convention). But Kaine, while not an exciting personality and in need of a good hair cut makes a lot of sense.

Once again, it's great to be back in the mix after a year off and I look forward to a spirited debate with everyone. On a final note - I would like to bid farewell to Jack, a writer for the Republican Blog. While I rarely agree with his positions I loved the debate. Take care Jack and be safe in Iraq.

Posted by T.C. Sned at August 14, 2008 9:41 AM
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Comment #258508

Welcome back, Thomas.

I think having two far-left candidates on the ticket won’t help, so I think Brian Schweitzer, Gov. of Montana, would be a helpful pick for Obama.

Posted by: kctim at August 14, 2008 1:08 PM
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Schweitzer would also be a good pick - I haven’t seen him on the short list though he seems to be an excellent executive and popular in his state. I don’t think Kaine has been that far-left as governor.

Posted by: tcsned at August 14, 2008 1:36 PM
Comment #258523

I haven’t seen him on it either tcsned, and I didn’t mean for it to seem as if I believe Kaine was a good or bad pick. Was just saying I think Schweitzer could help the O man.
Bad wording on my part.

Posted by: kctim at August 14, 2008 2:06 PM
Comment #258524

No, no, no. You need to include a photograph of you grinning insanely and holding an axe for best effect when you say that. ;-)

Seriously, welcome back!

(on another note, I didn’t know that tcsned was you. You might want to arrange to have your handle revised to mirror your blogging ID.

Posted by: Stephen Daugherty at August 14, 2008 2:06 PM
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Clooney would also make a better president than John McCain - so why not?

The Clooney-Obama crime fighting team would likely be a lot more effective than the Bush-Cheney “kill a fly with a sledge-hammer” team that has been running things for the last 8 years. A sledge hammer would kill a fly pretty easily except that you have to actually hit the fly (they usually don’t sit still for long) and not destroy everything around it in the process.

Posted by: tcsned at August 14, 2008 2:48 PM
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Good analogy tc, and gotta say the Obama/Clooney team would be pleasant to watch. Thankfully that Bush/Cheney sneer would be tough to replicate.
On a more serious note and maybe totally naive, does anyone else think that the Obama/Clinton ticket is impossible?? I know all the “experts” and pundits say it’s not going to happen, and I agree there are reasons for it to not be considered. There are,though, some good reasons with strength and legitimacy behind them to consider the combination. When our bottom line is to get leadership back to some degree of sanity and respectability, winning is ultimate.

Posted by: janedoe at August 14, 2008 3:23 PM
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janedoe

don’t kid yourself. hillary is no obama supporter, and you can bet she’s already got her eye on 2012. it wouldn’t suprise me if she and bill were working behind the scenes to undermine obamas campaign.

Posted by: dbs at August 14, 2008 3:42 PM
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Since the delegates are free to vote for who ever they please at the Demo convention, is there a possibility that Hillary could be nominated? Wow, now that would be interesting.

I like the title of the new book about Obama…The Obama nation. I’ve read a few excerpts and am looking forward to reading the book. I am sure it will be well discussed on this blog.

Posted by: Jim M at August 14, 2008 3:51 PM
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John

how long have you been around here ? if you’de been here any time at all, and i’m sure the others can tell you that know me, i’m no democrat! my political leaning is most definitely well to the right. i was just throwing out my 2cents. BTW i don’t think hillary is going pull an upset at the convention, but you can bet she’ll throw wrench in the obama campaign the first chance she gets. she’s a very sore loser.

Posted by: dbs at August 14, 2008 4:05 PM
Comment #258547

Watching the fake McCain grimace as he talks through his teeth would be painful to watch. Clooney has far too many skeletons in his closet.

Posted by: googlumpugus at August 14, 2008 5:45 PM
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Jim M - That book Obama Nation is an abomination just like his first book of lies about John Kerry and the Swiftboat Liars for Warping the Truth. You can go to: http://mediamatters.org/items/200808040005 and read all of the total falsehoods in that book. There was no fact checking by the publisher and Corsi is a disgrace as an author. But you’re right that book will be well discussed on this blog at a later date.

Hillary will play nice at the convention and bite her lip and be a good Democrat as much as she would like to hijack the convention or do something to make Obama lose so she can run in 2112. I think it will be one of the three Biden, Bayh, or Kaine. Like I said, I would prefer Kaine but any of them would be acceptable - none are exciting and none will cause a scandal.

Posted by: tcsned at August 14, 2008 9:00 PM
Comment #258564

I read an excerpt of Corsi’s previous book. After I read that excerpt, I knew reading the rest of the book would be a pointless exercise.

Essentially, here’s the formula: Find people who said something bad about the person, print that. Find innuendos about him, and present it to people as one of a few other negative possibilities, weakly knocking it down as just unlikely, rather than utterly false. If the evidence is sparse enough, whether by design or accident, then use the lack of evidence as room for pernicious speculation. If more than one interpretation is possible, pick the one that casts the target in the worst light.

The market for Corsi is that his books are a rather strong batch of Right-Wing slime ready to be catapulted at the public and discussed by a media which in all actuality is only too glad to air controversial material.

The myth of the liberal media has been a way of Republicans avoiding having to take truly popular stances, maintain competence in their office holders, and avoid the tempations of corruption. Anything bad that gets noticed is red-flagged as being the result of an unsympathetic media.

The unfortunate things about this is that the media shouldn’t be answering to the GOP as to why it’s not perpetually sympathetic to them, it should answer to the public as to what all politicians doing anything are up to. The truth has to be the first loyalty, and if it happens to be inconvenient to one party or the other, so be it.

Posted by: Stephen Daugherty at August 14, 2008 10:07 PM
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I’ve said this before and I’ll say it again…the ‘liberal media’ is neither liberal nor media. And, Stephen, there has been no truth in media for too many years to count. The media lacks the integrity of a Cheney/Bush administration. I wish I knew how we, as a people, are supposed to be well informed.

Posted by: Marysdude at August 15, 2008 7:37 AM
Comment #258572

I myself would love to see Biden as a VP. He would certainly add some zest to the campaign. I love his zingers. As for Hillary, IMO sadly our country still does not take women seriously just look at the disrespectful way she was treated during the primaries. I do not think it would benefit Obama’s election to have Hillary in as VP.

Posted by: Carolina at August 15, 2008 8:42 AM
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Jim M,

At the convention, all the regular delegates are required to vote their state winner. Only so-called super delegates can vary from that requirement. Big ‘O’ has almost enough regulars to make it on the first round and only needs a handfull of supers to put him over the top. It would take a virtually 100% of the supers going away from him to create much of a fuss.

Dreamers dream and trouble makers make trouble. The media will fall all over this like stink on poop, but at the convention Obama is a shoe-in. Don’t pay much attention to Faux News.

Posted by: Marysdude at August 15, 2008 9:03 AM
Comment #258579

This is from Hillary Clinton “This is a once-in-a-lifetime opportunity to see an event that will truly make history. I’ll make sure you get great seats to see me speak on Tuesday night when I address the nation and see Senator Obama accept the nomination at Mile High Stadium on Thursday.” It doesn’t sound like she wants to make trouble or at least won’t make trouble if she really wants to.

Carolina, I agree with the way the press has treated Hillary - I think she is unfortunate that first, she is a woman and strong women tend to be labeled with the “B” word when men are seen in a much more positive light. Second, she is a Clinton, and the so-called liberal media has made a cottage industry of attacking the Clinton’s. I thought that it would have been Obama that would have the trouble with a funny name and a different amount of pigmentation in his skin than previous candidates. Apparently, in America, sexism trumps racism.

Posted by: tcsned at August 15, 2008 12:57 PM
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Carolina,

I have been an advocate of Hill since I knew she’d eventually run for President. I voted for her in the primary…but, I don’t think it wise to think of her as ‘O’s VP. She is much too smart and much too strong to be second to anyone. She would always be a threat to him, and he would know it. We can’t afford two presidents, so…Big ‘O’ it is.

Posted by: Marysdude at August 15, 2008 2:52 PM
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Marysdude -

I was an alternate delegate for Hillary to the Washington state convention. It would have been better if she had been elected before Obama, because while I believe O’s the future of the Democratic party, he should be the future, and not the present. He needed time to season, to get his footing in Washington.

But things didn’t work out that way, so as you said, Big ‘O’ it is.

I have to admit, though, having been raised in the deepest of the Deep South, less than five miles from the most powerful racist in America for over a generation (James O. Eastland)…I will draw more than a little satisfaction should Obama dodge assassins’ bullets and Diebold’s fabricated ballot counts to take the oath of office….

Posted by: Glenn Contrarian at August 15, 2008 6:59 PM
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Carolina, ITA on Biden, but they will probably be looking for someone who might bring electoral votes. The most sensible choice for that would be an LDS member from a western state, where JMcC was not popular in the Rpblcn primaries. Also, Biden would be compared to Lloyd Bentsen.

Posted by: ohrealy at August 15, 2008 7:16 PM
Comment #258618

Carolina,

On Biden: He would likely be the most/best qualified of any on the short list, but he does carry a little baggage. ‘O’ needs someone pretty clean as his running mate, as he has plenty of shrapnel to dodge from the Repugnant attack dogs as it stands.

Posted by: Marysdude at August 15, 2008 7:24 PM
Comment #258811

For a BHO VP choice, Stephen Colbert, originator of the concept of truthiness, would probably be the most appropriate.

Posted by: ohrealy at August 18, 2008 4:28 PM
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