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The Obama organizers were out in force in my conservative small town. Where were the McCain organizers? Much like McCain's buddy Bush, they were AWOL. I have not seen them. Oh that is right... Silly me... I forgot. McCain does not inspire any enthusiasm. Well actually, I did talk to that one senile old guy today... No I didn't talk to McCain... It was another senile old guy... He thought McCain should be President because he was a prisoner of war for 5 years... Hmmm...An emotionally, spiritually, psychologically devastating and crippling experience is a qualification to be President. McCain survived 5 years of torture. An experience like that has to leave a person with "issues" and reasonably leaves one with questions about his mental health. McCain deserves to be honored for his service and sacrifice that he has made for his country - but made President? That is almost as good as the reason people voted for Bush the first time. Well let me see, he is a dry drunk, he would be fun to have a bear with... I think he should be in charge of the nuclear arsenal... Yes... See author Robert Timberg who McCain says knows:

(“more about me than I do”) calls McCain’s legendary rages “out of all proportion to the provocation.” He has also cited the sound of jangling keys as a trigger for McCain’s POW-related nightmares.

McCain deserves to be honored, not elected. I half joke about his senility. Half joke. See:

McCain's gaffe a minute on Iraq: In words edited out by CBS, McCain told Katie Couric that the "surge" had spawned the so-called Anbar awakening.
Then ask yourself why would the corporatist press edit out the gaffe of a corporatist candidate. The above article also says:
The real reason why McCain appears to be a gaffe a minute on Iraq is not that he is bumbling or feeble. It's that he is defending a policy based on falsehoods and false bravado
It is true that he is defending a corrupt policy based on lies and "bully" mentality, but I am not convinced that he is not a little senile. If he is not senile now, at his age, there is a strong possibility that he will be before his first term is over. Reagan was. While we confronted the super power of the Soviets the last Republican hero was asleep at the helm. We don't need that again.

His campaign is extremely poorly ran. Is he asleep at the helm of it? Obama goes to Germany and speaks to two hundred thousand people waving American flags. McCain goes to a German restaurant and sucks a sausage??? What were they thinking? Where was their leader? This may not be McCain's fault. His campaign is strapped for cash and the corporatists are trying to bail him out by having their corporatist lobbyist work on his campaign for free. They may simply be incompetent at it. That may be why there are no McCain supporters organizing in my conservative little town.

Posted by Ray Guest at August 4, 2008 7:38 PM
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I agree that his time in the armed services in no way specifically qualifies him to be POTUS. Like every other veteran he qualifies for recognition of his service. That is what memorial day is for. In all honesty I, and I think most Americans, have had just about enough of those with the militaristic mindset running our country. It is a great thing to have when needed. But the problem is that those types seem to get carried away at some point and always end up serving a mis-aligned agenda when left unchecked. McCain is relying on props of fear induced possibilities. The neo-con led GOP really has nothing else to run on. The military machine and big oil are hoping and preying that the American people really are gullible enough to be scared into voting for the status quo.

It seems the gop has decided that it is McCains place to twist logic in an effort to somehow convince us that GW and crew have actually had it right all along. He can’t really admit that GW blew it because he and our march in place republican legislators have supported George and his efforts from the get go. Or wait, I think I heard him say the other day that GW had it wrong. But then I am pretty sure McCain advocated and is still advocating for our continued presence in Iraq. Or is he? He hopes to create jobs by cutting taxes and increasing a deficit that is already at record proportions. So more of the same is what is needed to repair what is wrong and get this country back on track. So in other words we need no change. But then he claims to be a candidate that will change things. I wonder which is it really. I am so confused!!!

As I stated in another post. At this juncture and surely when this campaign is all over McCain will no longer have a clue just what it is he stands for. Maybe his lobbyist buddies will remind him of what he stands for. Judging by remarks he has made and the endless standardized campaign rhetoric I am guessing that he is already much more confused than most of the rest of us. To be honest I am getting the impression that he never was real sharp to begin with. Just another political hack with big bucks and friends in all the right places.

Posted by: RickIL at August 4, 2008 9:25 PM
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R.G., you are such a meanie, calling an old man a sausage sucker! You should respect the elderly. If you live, you get old. Most people don’t like the alternative. In Illinois, you register to vote when you get or renew or update the address on your driver’s license. Isn’t that a national law? The problem area is getting people to show up to vote. It’s pretty easy to vote here, with motor voter, and early voting, the people who don’t vote should pay a non-poll tax, but there should also be a “none of the above” selection in each category.

Posted by: ohrealy at August 4, 2008 9:30 PM
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Vote by mail. It works like a champ in Oregon.

McCain is running a terrible campaign. The GOP is spending its money on placing all of the focus on negative advertising. Obama is concentrating on grass roots organization. On our street, a very upscale neighborhood, it’s rare for political signs to even appear on lawns. Right now there are five Obama signs, and no McCain signs. Bumper stickers for cars? Same kind of situation.

Ray, agreed, the spectacle of McCain sitting in a German sausage restaurant while Obama addresses 200,000 tells you all you need to know about the two campaigns.

A neighbor asked me about my Obama sign, and said he might put up a McCain sign. He asked why I wanted Obama; was it disgust with Bush, or dislike of McCain, or support of Obama. I replied, naturally, all three. And I elaborated, saying that it is hard to imagine a Chief Executive of the United States who does not know how to e-mail, or even use google. He replied that McCain would delegate that, but… It’s not a matter of delegating communication. HE DOESN’T EVEN KNOW HOW!

Posted by: phx8 at August 4, 2008 9:49 PM
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Voting for a presidential candidate because he was a POW would be a silly, but so would voting for or against him based on his proficiency with computers.

If that’s what we’re looking for, then we ought to just award the presidency to whoever has the top score on Halo. Probably some pimply teenager in his parents’ basement.

The President of the United States is not somebody who needs to Google, email, blog, and update his Facebook page. In fact, I’d be worried if he was spending his time on such stuff.

Posted by: Loyal Opposition at August 4, 2008 11:53 PM
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Loyal O,
The United States is one of the most technologically advanced countries in the world. Our rise to a leadership position in the world owes much to technology. It is simply inconceivable that any major business in America would hire a technologically illiterate person to be in charge. Why would we lower the bar for the presidency?

Posted by: phx8 at August 5, 2008 12:46 AM
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We’ve just suffered through 7.5 years with a President that was “uninterested”, and “uninvolved”.
This is the 21st century.
The American people have a right to a President with an active mind. Even if McCain would take the time to learn the basics of working with a computer I would feel a bit more comfortable with him as President. That he jokes about his lack of knowledge is downright scary.

My mother who is 80 owns, and uses a computer on a daily basis without sombody holding her hand.
Why shouldn’t we be able to expect the same from the leader of the free world?


Posted by: Rocky Marks at August 5, 2008 6:53 AM
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My 82 yr old mother is quite computer literate and sends emails, uses microsoft works, can cut and paste, play computer games, and research topics on the computer. At times she forgets how to do something and will call me or look at her notes.

McCain scares me on a number of levels. First and formost-his policies. Next is his age. I know how much my mother’s ability to remember, take in information, and problem solve has declined over the years since she was 71. She is a very young and healthy 82. We are talking about a man whose abilities will only diminish in the coming years. We will not let someone run for president until they are 34 years old. We should also have a cut off for how old someone can be. We do not need a rageaholic, senile president.

I also agree that McCain should be honored for his service to our country and admired for his ability to withstand what was I am sure terrible torture. But saying that this qualifies him to be president is like saying that because an orthopedist has received honors and acclaim in his field that he can now do brain surgery.

Posted by: Carolina at August 5, 2008 8:12 AM
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I can just imagine the hard hours spent hacking out that slogan.

Posted by: Rocky Marks at August 5, 2008 11:48 AM
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Funny how the guy who’s “asleep at the helm” and “running a terrible campaign” is neck and neck with Obama in most polls…
Polls are always close when neither candidate particularly intelligent and neither candidate has anything new to offer. There’s no bad campaigning here, just bad candidates. History repeats itself…

Personally, I see no reason to vote for either one of them. Articles like this one certainly aren’t going to convince me to vote for Obama.

The Bush AWOL myth? It it 2004 again?
Oh, the old guy doesn’t spend all his time surfing the net like we do? Yeah, real deal breaker there.
McCain won’t magically become senile on your say-so, either.
In this article, you’re going to complain about negative campaigning? I love irony.
There are plenty of reasons to vote against McCain. These aren’t them.

Then again, neither candidate has anything worth talking about policy-wise. There’s nothing new or revolutionary in either platform. There’s no “change candidate” in this year’s race. I guess articles like this are the best we can expect.

Posted by: Objection at August 5, 2008 12:35 PM
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Loyal O -

I won’t vote against McCain simply because he doesn’t know how to use a computer (and (unlike my 73 y.o. mother and now-deceased 93 y.o. grandmother) isn’t intellectually curious enough to TRY).

It’s also because he thinks Czechoslovakia is still extant.

He repeatedly thought Iran supported Al Qaeda (even after being told otherwise by his advisers).

He thought Iraq shared a border with Pakistan.

He mixed up the timing of the surge with the Sunni Awakening that came several months earlier.

Does his passing the Naval Academy mean much? Not when his dad was a four-star admiral. If you don’t think there’s nepotism even there, I’ve got a bridge to sell you.

And then there’s his flip-flop on torture.

No, L.O., I will not vote for this guy.

Posted by: Glenn Cessor at August 5, 2008 2:38 PM
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If being computer illiterate diqualifies McCain from being President maybe he should hire Carolina’s mother to teach him or if he gets elected hire her to be his secretary.

Posted by: KAP at August 5, 2008 4:42 PM
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My in-laws are both 80 and computer literate. My parents are in their 70’s and computer literate. It’s rare anymore to encounter people who are truly computer illterate, such as McCain, especially someone with that much money and that much involvement with world events. Like I said, no company, no organization in the world would hire a computer illiterate like McCain as their CEO or president.

There’s just no excuse for that kind of ignorance.

Posted by: phx8 at August 5, 2008 6:10 PM
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I know a lot of people who are computer illiterate. Some just don’t want to be bothered with them. There are probably CEO’s out in the world who are computer illiterate, that’s why they hire secretaries. Bravo for your inlaws they know how to use a computer. Does that make them Presidential material or CEO material? The real ignorance is putting someone down or attacking their intelligance over computer literacy, but I guess that’s just a leftist thing, you are stupid because you don’t know how to use a computer.

Posted by: KAP at August 5, 2008 6:37 PM
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“The real ignorance is putting someone down or attacking their intelligence over computer literacy, but I guess that’s just a leftist thing, you are stupid because you don’t know how to use a computer.”


It doesn’t matter a whit to me that an average Joe doesn’t want to be a part of the 20th century.
It has nothing to do with intelligence.

We are talking about the man considered to be the leader of the free world. The President of the United States isn’t supposed to be thought of as some down home skeezix.
This has nothing to do with intelligence, or lack of it.
McCain seems uninterested to even learn the basics, and his “Oh my wife takes care of that” attitude shows a complete lack of intellectual curiosity. That you guys seem so willing to accept this attitude is beyond the pale. You guys on the right have bitched constantly about the dumbing down of America yet you accept this travesty without a second thought, and claim elitism if sombody brings it up.

The rest of America has had to put up with this nonsense for the last 8 years.

Enough’s enough.


Posted by: Rocky Marks at August 5, 2008 7:39 PM
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My in-laws are foreign born, and my parents are not in good enough health to run for an office.

I work with CEO’s, IT Managers, and HR Managers. That is my job, computer training for professionals. I assure you, they know how to use computers. There is simply no excuse for McCain’s ignorance. No point in putting lipstick on a pig; there’s simply no virtue in ignorance, especially not when a person such as McCain has the opportunity and the means to do something about it.

Posted by: phx8 at August 5, 2008 7:59 PM
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I don’t think the problem is so much that McCain does not know how to use a computer or access the internet. It is that he does not see the value in doing so or make the effort to learn. This indicates that he his out of touch with modern day realities. We are a technologically advanced society. What happens in our future will be designed and planned around perceptions of what advancements new technologies will bring to the table. I think it is safe to say that any leader of a technology savvy country should have an understanding of concepts and how they may play into our immediate and future decisions in regards to infrastructure, health care, space exploration, feeding the world, meeting energy needs, etc. It is very important that our next president be able to understand these things because we have never been in greater of need of new technologies than we are at this moment in time.

Posted by: RickIL at August 5, 2008 8:06 PM
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I get it you guys on the left think in order to be a leader you have to be computer savvy. It dosen’t matter that the POTUS has numerous advisors at his beck and call to tell him every little thing that goes on in this world. To my knowledge I don’t thimk I ever saw a Monitor sitting on the desk in the oval office. phx8 maybe if McCain does get elected you might get a call to teach him. I think the Bull—— is comming from whoever thinks because a man dosen’t care to learn computer skills is stupid and out of touch.

Posted by: KAP at August 5, 2008 8:41 PM
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Must the president be a farmer before getting involved in agricultural policy? A nuclear scientist if he’s going to command our nuclear arsenal?

E-mail, google, the internet, etc. are tools and that’s all.

You and I—and our grandmothers—have need of such tools. If not, we’d never have bothered to learn how to use them.

Not everyone needs to know how to use all tools, and whatever you think of McCain, he has clearly risen to a very high place in our society without the use of the internet. In any case, when the president of the United States gives an order, it doesn’t go into somebody’s email inbox alongside the spam.

Posted by: Loyal Opposition at August 5, 2008 9:03 PM
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I think the Bull—— is comming from whoever thinks because a man dosen’t care to learn computer skills is stupid and out of touch

I wouldn’t say stupid. He is probably a step above GW. Definitely computer challenged and if he sees no value in learning to use a computer then also out of touch. You must remember that the man who takes over that oval office will be wielding a powerful tool. The veto pen. There is a good chance that his inability to comprehend technology may stand in the way of passing good legislation. No problem though, he can always rely on his insider lobbyist buddies to steer him in the right direction.

Posted by: RickIL at August 5, 2008 9:24 PM
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KAP and L.O.

Our issue isn’t that McCain isn’t computer-savvy. It’s that he doesn’t even TRY to learn what my grandmother had the courage to learn…even though she was old enough to be his mother.

It’s the lack of intellectual curiosity, the same lack that led to McCain not understanding WHY Iran would never support Al Qaeda…even after being told so by his advisers; the same lack that led to McCain not realizing that Iraq does NOT share a border with Pakistan (and for a potential president, this IS a big thing); the same lack that prevented him from remembering that Czechoslovakia hasn’t existed for over a decade.

McCain is NOT willing to learn. THAT, sirs, is a dangerous flaw in a potential president,m and what I feel is a disqualifying factor all on its own (as it should have been for Bush II).

Posted by: Glenn Cessor at August 5, 2008 11:59 PM
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Our issue isn’t that McCain isn’t computer-savvy. It’s that he doesn’t even TRY to learn what my grandmother had the courage to learn

Did you grandma “have the courage” to fly planes into the flak over Hanoi? Give us a break with this talk of “courage” over your grandmother’s emails. Puh-lease. I can’t remember when I’ve ever heard anything so silly.

But really—good for your grandma. But unlike McCain, she probably has a reason to write emails. I don’t plan to hold your grandma’s lack of bad-ass fighter-pilot skills against her simply because she never had any reason to fly a plane into a war zone. But it’s no different with McCain and writing emails, although writing email is—although you don’t seem to see it—far less courageous.

Posted by: Loyal Opposition at August 6, 2008 12:52 AM
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L.O. -

So he flew a jet over enemy territory and got shot down. Yeah, we all know the story.

That shows he has COURAGE. But that does NOT show a desire to LEARN. There’s a difference, guy.

Tell you what - why don’t you Google what Russia did to Estonia? FYI, it was a cyber attack, and it brought Estonia’s daily operations and economy to a virtual standstill.

McCain might know what to do if America came under nuclear attack. But would he know what to do if we suffered a crippling cyber attack? You say he’d listen to his advisers - but which adviser would he listen to?

How would he know which adviser is giving him the best advice? How would he know how that advice would mesh with what our economy and armed forces need?

He wouldn’t have a clue.

The cyber threat is very real, L.O., and our government is attacked thusly every single day. It is the height of irresponsibility to pretend that the Commander-in-Chief - the man most responsible for America’s security - doesn’t need to know squat about the internet.

Posted by: Glenn Cessor at August 6, 2008 1:40 AM
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We all understand that McCain has faced horrors that none of us could even imagine, let alone wish to live through, and for that he deserves some respect.

That said, those that have been elected to federal office, and have been a part of this government “of the people” for awhile don’t seem to have the slightest inkling of what it means to be one of “the people”.
Since being released from his captors nearly 40 years ago McCain has lived a life of privilege. He has had everything done for him.
When do you think was the last time McCain did something courageous? Or does his earlier experience give him a pass for life?
When was the last time he had to balance a checkbook?
When was the last time he had to shuffle money from one bill to pay another?
In other words, when was the last time he was like us?

You want McCain to have someone hired to deal with his lack of interest. Does he get to have his own bowel movements, or should we hire someone to do that for him as well?

Stupidity isn’t a lack of knowledge. Stupidity is a lack of interest in finding ways to do things better tomorrow than you did them today.

That McCain doesn’t know anything about operating a computer isn’t the point. McCain’s lack of interest in learning something that might drag him, kicking and screaming, into the 21st century is entirely the point.


Posted by: Rocky Marks at August 6, 2008 6:21 AM
Comment #257851


That McCain doesn’t know anything about operating a computer isn’t the point. McCain’s lack of interest in learning something that might drag him, kicking and screaming, into the 21st century is entirely the point.

Well said. Seeing as several of us have presented this same argument in our own way at least a half dozen times or more in this thread I doubt it will have little effect. Some people out of stubborn unfounded denial simply refuse to hear or see what is right in front of them.

Posted by: RickIL at August 6, 2008 9:39 AM
Comment #257862

Do you year that, L.O.?

“That McCain doesn’t know anything about operating a computer isn’t the point. McCain’s lack of interest in learning something that might drag him, kicking and screaming, into the 21st century is entirely the point.”

His lack of knowledge about computers isn’t the only example of his ignorance about the world and current events. He didn’t know the significance of the Sunni-Shi’a split (“know your enemy”, said Sun Tzu), didn’t know Pakistan did NOT share a border with Iraq (a little nation called Iran was in the way), didn’t know Czechoslovakia didn’t exist anymore.

In other words, John McCain doesn’t pay attention to what goes on in the world!. He ‘knows what he knows’ and that’s all he thinks he needs to know.

Do you REALLY want a president who doesn’t think he needs to learn anymore?

Posted by: Glenn Contrarian at August 6, 2008 10:49 AM
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Yes, Glenn, and at different times Barack Obama has said that there are 57 states in the union, that they speak Arabic in Afghanistan, and that tornadoes in Kansas killed 10,000 people last year (when they killed 12).

Obama claimed that his parents first met at the Selma march in Alabama—four years after he was born. He worried aloud about Iraqi farmers growing poppies for heroin—even though there is no such problem.

Why complain about McCain’s misstatements? Obama is simply ignorant and doesn’t know what’s going on in the world. McCain knows how many states there are in our country—putting him miles ahead of Obama.

But at least in the event of cyber attacks on Americans, Obama will not have to rely on any advisers and will personally roll up his sleeves, sit down at a computer terminal, and fight those bastards off! LOL!!! That you actually believe this stuff shows how far in the tank people are willing to go for the cardboard messiah.

Posted by: Loyal Opposition at August 6, 2008 11:10 AM
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C’mon Ray Guest, where are you? I’m looking for an argument, but not contradictions. Gimme gimme gimme more. On computer literacy, the fact is that people who have very busy lives don’t have as much time to learn new things as people who have a little time on their hands. When I am busier, I find it hard to keep up with the world of information. Some David Milch quotes from the commentaries on John from Cincinnatti:

In our culture, we get a lot of information about things that we have no genuine connnection to,
that’s how you can go to war over something that doesn’t exist.

This is an illustration of we see what we want to see, Experience does make it possible for us to see what we want to see until it kills us.

The only thing that gives objects any connection is an emotional attachment.

He’s an instinctively compassionate guy, but he has to put things in categories, he’s so trapped in the past that he can’t relate to the present without some kind of grid.

Most scenes in the course of a day are re-enactments of things that have gone on 20 years before, and the physical setting is irrelevant. and that’s the way we experience them, as we’re living them.

Posted by: ohrealy at August 6, 2008 5:21 PM
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Okay, I was able to find the 57-state quote. Yeah, he said that. He then referred to three other states. It then became obvious that he MEANT 47 states and had a genuine slip of the tongue - which Neo-Con attack dogs immediately claimed was in reference to 57 ISLAMIC states.

Y’know, I really DO try to be even-handed and see things from both sides…but I cannot see where the honor and patriotism is in knowingly telling outright lies about a political candidate. I mean, that’s something that should be expected of a Nazi stooge or a communist apparatchik, but NOT an American!

But of course that’s just pure naivete - we have our share of evil men, too.

But so I can research the veracity of your claims against Obama, please post links to your references.

Posted by: Glenn Contrarian at August 6, 2008 11:51 PM
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Thanks for your good debate here. I have not had and do not have time to participate but thanks for your input.

John, John, John,

Please!!! You actually wrote:

No response necessary…

Posted by: Ray Guest at August 19, 2008 4:47 PM
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It’s one thing when Obama tries to cover up mistakes he’s
made in private, or when he feebly tries to cover up or misdirect
us, by saying that he never heard Wright’s anti-American sermons
over a 20 year period … but, when Obama tells us that the
Palin lipstick/pig remark wasn’t an insult directed towards
Governor Palin, then Obama is adding insult to injury towards
the American people. This creep is not Presidential material.
P.S. The biased main stream liberal press which is attempting damage control for Obama, also must think the American people are stupid

Posted by: Gina at September 10, 2008 1:18 PM
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