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Bush and McCain Together

Many in the Republican Party are upset because of the probability that John McCain will be the Republican nominee for president. He is not a true conservative, they say. President George W. Bush says McCain definitely is a conservative and he will help McCain win the general election. I hope he does work for McCain.

Bush said:

I think that if John's the nominee, he has got some convincing to do to convince people that he is a solid conservative. And I'll be glad to help him if he is the nominee, because he is a conservative.

I agree with Bush on almost nothing. But I agree with him on this. Of course, McCain is a conservative. He is for tax cuts, against universal healthcare, sucking up to the religious right and minimum government.

Above all, McCain is with Bush 100% in continuing the Iraq War. He claims the surge was a success and that we're winning. I have no idea what we're winning but that is what he says. He says we must stay in Iraq for 100 years if necessary. He also made the ridiculous statement that we should bomb Iran.

A clone for Bush. Bush could not find anyone so near to his philosophy of "you're either with us or against us" than John McCain. Like Bush, McCain wants to teach our enemies a lesson by bombing them. They both say "Let's not talk, let's show them who's boss."

I hope Bush does help McCain. They deserve each other. The Democrats will have an easy time showing the country that they are both nothing but warmongers preying on the fears of the people. As a matter of fact I'm looking forward to the Democratic ad that shows Bush morphing into McCain.

Posted by Paul Siegel at February 11, 2008 5:30 PM
Comments
Comment #245091

IMO … Bush can only be ‘helping’ McCain because BUSH wants a democrat to win.

Posted by: Dawn at February 11, 2008 9:16 PM
Comment #245093

Great article Paul,
You’re right on the money. I’d like to add, we need to have a long detailed discussion about war and terrorism! I’m talking about the kind of discussion the corporate media doesn’t want to have.

Posted by: Mike the Cynic at February 11, 2008 9:20 PM
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I do not know where I heard it before, but I remember something about McCain being on some serious painkillers, due to injuries sustained in the POW days. I think he is too happy for the right wingnuts, who want some one more mean-spirited, but George Will claims that McCain is vengeful against people who cross him in private. He is also not a big fan of the media, he says hello jerks or something to them every day, so when he is in the public more, he could turn into Bob Dole without the redeeming qualities.

Posted by: ohrealy at February 11, 2008 9:34 PM
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John McCain is the Flip Flopper. McCain had said, “We will win this conflict. We will win it easily.” Four years later McCain said that he had known all along that the war in Iraq was going to be a long, hard, and tough one.

In 2006, McCain sponsored legislation requiring grassroots lobbying coalitions to disclose their financial donors. Soon after, in 2007, he decided to vote against it, claiming that he changed his views based on the feedback he received about the proposal.

McCain had taken a stand in favor of allowing gay marriages, but later changed his views to saying that same sex marriages should not be allowed.

Posted by: Emmy at February 12, 2008 4:19 AM
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McCain is Bush policy repackaged, with just a bit more educational competence to sell it. McCain is every bit as dangerous to our nation’s future as another 8 years of GW Bush would be.

Still, McCain is the best of GOP candidates. Doesn’t say much for the GOP, does it?

McCain won’t hold the line on spending and he bloody well knows that reality. He will face a Democratic Congress who will undercut his agendas at every turn unless he compromises with the Congress on social programs. Which makes him a liar on the campaign trail. He knows he will veto one or two spending bills, find himself painted into an ineffective presidency corner by Congress, and be forced to relent on social spending in order to move ahead on Iran, Judicial nominees, or Iraq.

McCain’s experience in the Senate has more than adequately prepared him to understand and accept these realities, despite his lies to the contrary to the Fiscal Conservative Base.

Posted by: David R. Remer at February 12, 2008 4:41 AM
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For some unknown reason, Democrats love to forget how good the Republicans are at playing presidential politics. We are well on our way to nominating a candidate that has very little government experience, no foreign policy experience, and no military experience.

How can Bush possibly help McCain? With an October suprise, that is how. One major event in the world that causes the American people to focus on how dangerous the world is for that brief period of time and Obama loses.

Posted by: jlw at February 12, 2008 8:09 AM
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McCain is nothing more than an extension of the status quo. He represents a continuance of the same irresponsible and dangerous policies that have failed miserably under GW. His years of experience learning how to manipulate the ropes of political corruption should serve us well for another term or two. After all we have managed to somehow survive two terms of incompetent mismanagement at the hands of a not too bright stubborn good ‘ol boy with nothing more than a corporate agenda aimed at world energy domination. I suspect he will garner the 30% of voters who still unbelievably support GW. If Hillary gets the nod then he will pick up the votes of some of those who would rather vote for Chavez than a Clinton. But I would imagine that a good percentage of those Hillary haters are contained within the 30% who support Bush.

I see no reason to panic. Democrats are showing up in record numbers at the primary polls. A sure sign that people are passionate about this vote. Bush policy is affecting the pocket books of repubs just as much as the dems. I think it is clear that the majority of voters believe it is time for a new direction. Can anyone in good conscience honestly believe that McCain is the person to affect that change? I think not.

Posted by: RickIL at February 12, 2008 9:53 AM
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As usual we have pundits predicting the outcome of an election that is many months away. The Bush hatred is unusually virulent even though there is no Bush on the ballot but once again, a Clinton. In over 40 years of voting for a president I haven’t found the perfect candidate yet. The closest one to my perfect candidate was Reagan.
I will be voting for McCain even though he is not my perfect candidate. He stands for a judiciary that interprets law, not attempt to make law. Liberals never have a majority to get their agenda’s passed by the legislature so must go thru the back door of liberal judges making law. McCain stands for lower spending and has promised to “make famous” legislators who fill bills with pork. I like that. McCain believes in a strong military and is capable of defending our nation against all threats. He now says he is for strong border control and against amnesty for illegals already in this country. Someone in a post above said McCain will have to compromise with a demo congress on social issues to get his programs and appointments approved. By social issues liberals mean more distribution of wealth by confiscation, more illegals crossing our borders and lowering our wage base, more gay crap and anit-Christian thought being taught in our public schools, and more class envy and racism. The dems will lose the WH with war breaking out between the Clinton and Obama camps and the GOP presidential coattails will carry many legislators into office to work with the new administration. I can be a pundit also.

Posted by: Jim M at February 12, 2008 10:50 AM
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Jim M, we here your wishes. And will smugly remember them when they become your source of disappointment and hopefully, education.

Posted by: David R. Remer at February 12, 2008 1:18 PM
Comment #245129

An october surprise will come so late in this year long election cycle that I think the public will be more like “What the F now, will this election never end?” What we are doing is nuts, and it looks like both parties end up with candidates they don’t like that much. I have an actual suggestion for the surprise, an invasion of that island with the prison belonging to Cuba. We could release all the political prisoners and use the island to expand Gitmo.

The real election is in December, the pretend election is in November. The conventions should be in October on the same day for both parties, and the primaries should be in September. School children should get credit for participation in the process. People who contribute to political campaigns should pay an extra tax equal to the amount of their contributions, instead of getting a deduction for it.

A lot of Democrats are deluding themselves into thinking that if Obama is elected, we are somehow going to be out of Iraq fairly quickly. If you think fairly quickly is two years later, you might be correct.

McCain seems pissed that he did not get to run the war his way, and looks like he wants to win Vietnam, I mean Iraq, his way. That should be enough to lose him the election. Also, very few people with a real military background actually end up becoming POTUS, and draft dodgers from the Vietnam era have been more likely to win than veterans of that war.

On the rest of this endless year of campaigning, if Clinton44 is the nominee, then the other guys have 30 more stories on Clinton42 to pull out their bag. If Obama is the candidate, I am fearful of some kind of year long subtle race-baiting, which McCain would disavow, but will go on anyway, hopefully until it backfires. Remember 1988?

Posted by: ohrealy at February 12, 2008 1:22 PM
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Who knows Paul?
Today I read that Bush has declared McCain a “true conservative”. One can only hope that this endorsement will backfire.

Frankly considering how “much the country just loves Bush” (sarcasm intended), if I were McCain, the last person I’d want an endorsement from would be Bush.

Posted by: Linda H. at February 12, 2008 1:43 PM
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I laugh out loud when I read of the liberals comments about President Bush being a detriment to John McCain. First, the president’s approval ratings are higher than Congress. Second, it won’t hurt McCain nearly as much as BC campaigning for HC. Third, while conservatives have issues with Mr. Bush, we understand that our philosophy has gained tremendous victories over the past 40 years and will continue. Fourth, we understand that John McCain doesn’t meet our “perfect candidate” ideals, but he is conservative in most of the issues that count. The country will decide if we want to lurch left and become a nation of more strangling laws and regulations, a nation of welfare recipients, a nation that confiscates the wealth of those they dislike, a nation that bows at the altar of political correctness, diversity, racial hatred, and weakness in world affairs. Obama is the much weaker and less experienced candidate and owes his success to great speech making and pandering to his liberal base. There will not remain a single conservative in the Democrat party by the end of November. When I was voting Democrat in the 60’s the party was filled with conservatives. They’re all gone now. Aren’t you pleased with that outcome?

Posted by: Jim M at February 12, 2008 6:27 PM
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Jim M,

“When I was voting Democrat in the 60’s the party was filled with conservatives. They’re all gone now.”

Gee, Jim, it couldn’t be because they’re all dead would it?

If you look at virtually all of the threads on the red side, they are all bemoaning the fact that there isn’t a conservative to vote for, and that they’d just as soon vote for Hillary. All of the pundits feel that Clinton is more “conservative” than McCain.

The way I see it, we may soon see more “conservatives” in the Democratic Party than the supposedly conservative Republican Party.

Posted by: Rocky at February 12, 2008 7:13 PM
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jim m
You forgot to blame liberals for bread mold,herpes,and teenage angst.
You all will be shocked if McCain actually wins(me too).Much as I hate defending a Rep,he is practical. What that means for starters is much more government involvement in our broken healthcare delivery system. What that means is guest worker programs. What that means is a path toward legitamacy for undocuemented immigrants.What that means is riegning in out of control military spending.You guys will not be happy.

Posted by: BILLS at February 12, 2008 8:18 PM
Comment #245161

Conservatives invariably mention the low approval ratings of Congress. Then they mention that Bush’s approval rating is higher’s than Congress. What they seem to fail to realize is:

NBC/Wall Street Journal Poll

Who do you want to see take the lead roll in setting for the Country? George Bush or the Congress?

1/20-22/08 Bush 21% Congress 62%

CNN Opinion Poll Dec6-9 2007
Do you think it is good for the Country or Bad for the Country that the Democratic Party is in control of Congress?

Good 53% Bad 37%


ABC News/ Washington Post Poll Sept 27-30 2007


Who deserves the most blame for that: President Bush and the Republicans in Congress or the Democrats in Congress?

Bush and Republicans 51% Democrats 25%

CNN Opinion Poll Sept. 7-9 2007

Do you think the policies being proposed the Democratic leaders in U.S. House and Senate would move the Country in the right direction or the wrong direction?

Right Direction 50% Wrong Direction 39%

Posted by: Cube at February 13, 2008 3:56 AM
Comment #245168

JimM

I laugh out loud when I read of the liberals comments about President Bush being a detriment to John McCain.

I shake my head in bewilderment at the denial of reality some conservatives exhibit due to blind party politics. Most of your above mentioned accusations are exactly what afflicts your party at this juncture in time. Your party has failed you in that it used you to pursue an agenda of domination for purely self serving reasons of greed. They sold you and their supporters out while laughing all the way to the bank in order that they might insure dominance and control of domestic and world affairs. Your party preached the importance of moral and ethical values while practicing just the opposite behind closed doors. The greater majority of people in this nation are now aware of the self serving agenda they pursued. It has not become apparent that your party has admitted its failures. It will take a very long time for your party to rebuild enough integrity and credibility to once again garner a large degree of trust.

I think we are looking at a new age in American politics where the ideologies of the two major parties are going to slowly evolve into a more centrist entity serving a broader spectrum of needs. A new generation of voters who are very concerned and not happy with the tired old politics of the past are going to the polls. They demand change and they want accountability. Your party has lingered in the past foolishly thinking that they could fool their constituents to no end. Well the party is over. The winners of this election cycle will be the party that exhibits a true interest in change serving the best interests of this country. Not just the interests of your respective political party.

Posted by: RickIL at February 13, 2008 8:55 AM
Comment #245172

It doesn’t matter. Obama is going to win, and then if he proves to actually be a good guy and does good things for the American People and tries to restore the Constitution, the dirtwads who are running things, the Cheneys and Scaifes and their ilk, will either tie him up in some bullshit Monica-type scandal or have him asassinated by some Iranian wacko so they can continue with their war profiteering. Just watch!

Posted by: capnmike at February 13, 2008 10:31 AM
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The dark overlord wannabees won’t wait for Obama to be elected to start on whatever they have planned for him. Remember, OIL is at stake. We went to war for it twice already. It looks like they are waiting until they are sure Hillary will not be nominated, until whatever stories start coming out. He is an elected official from Chicago, for Bogs sake, where you can’t get on an L train without getting dirt on you, and where people have jobs but only show up to work on payday.

McCain does not have to be complicit in any nonsense for it to happen and be outraged by it. He just has to sit back and play Reagan to Obama’s Mondale. I don’t think Bush can help McCain, but he can help us by getting drunk and waking up out of the trance they have him in. He might do something useful before he goes down in history as the worst president ever.

If Obama manages to get elected, the Saudis will suddenly discover that their oil reserves are too seriously depleted to keep pumping it out at the same level. It’s Rpblcn oil anyway.

Posted by: ohrealy at February 13, 2008 11:42 AM
Comment #245186

Conservatism is alive and well and just defeated the liberal attempt to eviscerate FISA by a 69 to 28 margin. I noticed in the roll-call that HC couldn’t be bothered to show up to vote. McCain found the time. I can’t remember if Obama voted.
Conservative principles are alive and well and showing tremendous strength even in a congress controlled by the Dems. Liberal ideas about “peace thru whining”, economic strength thru confiscation of private property and wealth, and social change by judicial edic is loosing everywhere. Counting on welfare recipients and illegal aliens to carry the day for either Clinton or Obama is simply wishful thinking or better yet, magical thinking. Someone above said all the conservative democrats are dead. I don’t think so, many voted for strengthing FISA and will not be led by the nose by the liberal MoveOn.Org crowd. Congratulations to thinking conservative Democrats. I applaud you.

Posted by: Jim M at February 13, 2008 12:23 PM
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Jim m

So now eviserating the Constitution out of fear is a conservative principle? Then I guess you are right.

Posted by: bills at February 13, 2008 1:52 PM
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To Bills: Fighting terrorism at every level and by every means is an American principle apparently lost to liberal thinking. FISA does not threaten any Constitutional rights of Americans, only foreign terrorists. 69 Senators agree with that principle with 3 not voting, among them Clinton and Obama. I guess they just don’t care or have no opinion. A president, of either party, who does not exercise his/her first duty to protect America, is certainly guilty of malfeasance. Again I say, whining about our nations efforts to protect its citizens is only a liberal position.

Posted by: Jim M at February 13, 2008 4:58 PM
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