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Another Reason to Support Obama

He is not Hillary Clinton. Clinton says she has experience and knows how to fight her enemies. And she has gathered to her cause a bunch of surrogates skilled in the use of political weapons - one of the most important being smearing your opponent. Bob Kerrey is one such political smearer.

Supposedly Bob Kerry offered this as a "compliment" to Barack Obama:

I've watched the blogs try to say that you can't trust [Obama] because he spent a little bit of time in a secular madrassa. I feel quite opposite. I think it's a tremendous strength whether he's in the United States Senate or whether he's in the White House.

Now, Bob Kerrey is a supporter of Hillary Clinton. Why would he compliment Barack Obama? As a surrogate of Clinton he is trying to help her. What is the best way to help Clinton? Political experience demonstrates that the best way is to smear your opponent. Of course, you must be "sophisticated" in your smearing. To avoid being called a smearer, you throw out compliments. Yes, Other people - not me - call Obama a Muslim. "They" - not me - claim that Obama went to a madrassa. I think "it's a tremendous strength."

Kerrey is using a "compliment" to tar Obama with being a Muslim. There is no truth to it. But it does not matter. If you repeat it often enough some people will believe it. The damage is done. This is the Clinton way of fighting her opponents. She learned it well from her husband, Bill Clinton.

This is the type of nasty political shenanigans that is ripping our society apart, that is polarizing the nation into blue and red states. This political war is what Obama is against. He does not want everyone to agree; this is impossible. He wants us to discuss issues in a friendly way. He wants us to listen to people with different ideas and not be angry with them. He wants us to work together in order to achieve common goals for America.

Obama wants to unite the country. This is another reason I support Barack Obama.

Posted by Paul Siegel at December 18, 2007 2:29 PM
Comments
Comment #240954

Barack Obama may be very good, but we do not know. He just has not done very much. What we have is an atractive unknown.

I know that supporters like to think that his unusual heritage is held against him. Quite the opposite is true. Does anybody believe that a mainstream candidate would be taken seriously with only part of a Senate term to his resume? Not since John Kennedy have we seen that, and he was a special case. Actually, I am wrong. Barack Obama, Hillary Clinton and John Edwards all are inexperienced. The Dems want us to believe that experience doesn’t matter. Of course George W. Bush was almost as inexperienced as these guys and that worked out okay. But usually it is a big problem. Think of Jimmy Carter.

Posted by: Jack at December 18, 2007 3:25 PM
Comment #240955

Jack
“Of course George W. Bush was almost as inexperienced as these guys and that worked out okay.”
If you forget about illegal wiretapping, a massive trade deficit, rising inequality, 3,000+ dead US soldiers and God only knows how many Iraqis…

Paul
Obama says he wants to unite the country, but when he actually starts making decisions, will he care much about republicans/conservatives? Especially if he gets a filibuster-proof senate? Like Huckabee, he sounds nice, but sometimes it sounds like he’s just sucking up to voters. (Huckabee talks well, just always about Jesus. We don’t need a theocrat as POTUS.)

But anyway, good article. Down with Hillary Clinton.

Posted by: Silima at December 18, 2007 3:48 PM
Comment #240958
George W. Bush was almost as inexperienced as these guys and that worked out okay.

That’s… uummm… an interesting statement…

Posted by: Doug Langworthy at December 18, 2007 3:54 PM
Comment #240959

I have to agree its a pretty crappy way to drum up votes, Paul. Was there any indication that it had or has had any affect?

Posted by: kctim at December 18, 2007 3:58 PM
Comment #240961

Maybe this says it all…

Posted by: Jim T at December 18, 2007 4:01 PM
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Jack
Think of Harry Truman for comparison instead. There are no graduate courses for being president. It is always OTJ trainning.


Paul
Obama is a great American we can be proud of. When he was youg he did attend a Muslum school in Indonesia. It was no a Madras. More like a parochial school. It still exist. The facility wears western clothing and includes women. Students of several faiths attend. CNN did a story on this some time ago. There are some on the right that just love the opportunity to bring it up because they cannot any longer get away with just calling Obama an uppity N——-. Bob Kerry is not one of those and your characterization of him is over the top.
Obama and Clinton have something in common. Niether of them will ever be a strong candidate against the GOP.Fair or not,they have too much bagage. If either wins it will be by a slim margin. Edwards on the other hand polls ahead of every Rep Candidate.(CNN)

Posted by: BillS at December 18, 2007 4:02 PM
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Of course George W. Bush was almost as inexperienced as these guys and that worked out okay. But usually it is a big problem. Think of Jimmy Carter.

Why resorting to Carter when, as you said yourself, Bush is a more recent example of this big problem?

;-)

Posted by: Philippe Houdoin at December 18, 2007 4:19 PM
Comment #240972

BillS

Truman had been a miltary officer, businessman, local legislator and prominent Senator.

Silma and Doug

Maybe you think experience is important then?

Posted by: Jack at December 18, 2007 4:37 PM
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Jack… not necessarly… we have had a lot of good politicians w/o much experience coming in… in fact, I would argue just the opposite that too much experience is not a good thing…

No, my point was… G-Dub turned out OK? I think there is more than one strong argument to the contrary…

Posted by: Doug Langworthy at December 18, 2007 4:41 PM
Comment #240982

Goug
Jack is baiting with that sentence and ,I must say,doing a pretty good job of it.

Jack
Obama was a local legislator,community activist, practicing attorney(businessman) and a senator.He graduated magna cum laude from Harvard Law School. He was a lecturer on Constitutional law,a best selling author and worked a year promoting overseasea American business opportunities.Granted,he was not a military officer or a haberdasher but then again Truman was never the editor of the Harvard Law Revue.Obama is not my candidate but he has as much or more experience as other presidents that have served with distinction,Harry Truman included.

Posted by: BillS at December 18, 2007 6:34 PM
Comment #240998

Paul,

You and I know that Kerrey (btw my spelling is correct) meant that as a slap in the face. For what it’s worth Kerrey’s most recent statements pissed me off, and I say that as a resident of Nebraska from birth through about my 50th birthday.

But tell me again, what experience does Obama have that qualifies him for the Presidency? What would his foreign diplomacy look like? What’s his plan to balance the federal budget?

Just exactly what makes Obama better than the rest?

Posted by: KansasDem at December 18, 2007 10:17 PM
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Just exactly what makes Obama better than the rest?

He’s not a WASP, which means that he’s the only one candidate to have experience at being like most humankind?

What would his foreign diplomacy look like? What’s his plan to balance the federal budget?

Seeing the shape of current ones, I’ll bet it doesn’t matter!

Hum, okay, not being that much concerned with 08 election, and even if as a french citizen seeing during my lifetime a multiracial US president will make my day, I’m done with sarcasm here.

;-)

Posted by: Philippe Houdoin at December 19, 2007 11:00 AM
Comment #241030

Philippe

A rich, good-looking, successful lawyer from Harvard. If that is oppression, may I be so cursed and may I never recover. He is probably the most WASPish guy running.

In America we have come far enough to produce WASPs in all colors and both genders.

There is actually an interesting undercurrent. At places like Harvard, many of the black students are children of immigrants or mixed race individuals like Obama. There is some trouble in that they are soaking up the affirmative action spots. The original idea was to help those whose ancestors suffered from the experience of slavery & oppression through many years of American history. Does a rich son of an immigrant& a white woman from Kansas suddenly understand that
because of his physical appearance?

It is like me showing up in Brittany in your country and claiming to be part of the local minority there because I kind of look like them.

We do not carry culture or ideas in our genes. A black Harvard lawyer is more like a white Harvard lawyer than either is like poor guy of their respective races.

Posted by: Jack at December 19, 2007 12:18 PM
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I love the cowardly, inaccurate slap at Jimmy Carter.
He was not the most effective President, but I am afraid it was not so much a weakness, or something wrong with President Carter — I believe he is the most honest, ethical, morally rightous president we had — unfortunately the Wash DC corrupt power structure chewed him up and spit him out.
LBJ was a SOB, but he got stuff done — it is too bad that what is needed for this job is a Mob Boss, Obama might not fill that bill, Hillary might — I wouldn’t want to go up against her.

With Obama, we might (I don’t know, don’t know much about him) have another Carter — good intentions but without the ability to bare-knuckle it with the Gang on the Hill (and those behind the scenes back stabbers)

Posted by: russ at December 19, 2007 12:31 PM
Comment #241037

If Obama does get the nomination the Dems better have a back up plan. He will no doubt be targeted for asassination by white supremecist wackos.

Posted by: BillS at December 19, 2007 12:50 PM
Comment #241040

Jack, I was sarcastic regarding my WASP remark.

If now even WASP people comes in various color and flavor, I’m lost!
;-)

Now about my multiracial president hope, I wont be happy about him/her but because a majority of americans will have elected him/her. I believe US are leading the world regarding multiracial tolerance, and it will send a strong signal to more racist (and anachronistic, may I add) nations like France…

Posted by: Philippe Houdoin at December 19, 2007 1:26 PM
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As a conservative I must admit I have not followed Obama’s rise to prominence. I have watched all the debates and he is a plausible candidate and hasn’t made any more gaffs than any of the others. My problem with Clinton and Obama is, and remains, the lack of experience in running anything besides their own political office or being a member of a law firm. Frankly, I can not imagine either of them saying to the Russians, “tear down that wall” or “trust but verify”. We have many wolves on the world stage that are hungry to humiliate and damage the U.S. Our President must be morally strong, courageous, and smart. A uniter who has principles and an unfailing determination to keep our country strong and healthy. I find these qualities in Huckabee, McCain, Gulianni, and Biden. I don’t see Clinton or Barack passing my basic criteria. Sorry, but my opinion of Edwards is that of just another slick attorney. I find it difficult to watch or listen to him. His facial expressions make me wince. I know that is no reason to cross him off my list of possibles, but it is just a gut reaction to the man.

Posted by: Jim at December 19, 2007 3:23 PM
Comment #241057

lack of experience a problem?? for the rightwingers??

GWB was ok, — and he had NO foreign policy experience
His main experience was making sure prisoners got the death penalty — part of his resume as a “compassionate conservative”
We DO have experience in the white house right now, in the form of Cheany (spelling??) and formally Rumsfeld and others from previous adminstrations and YEARS of “experience”
Boy all that experience sure did result in some WONDERFUL leadership for the past 6 years!!
Boy, I am SURE glad we didn’t have any inexperienced people in there —- whew, they might have gotten us into an unnecessary, prolonged, no end in sight war or something equally stupid!!
Wow, man, let’s here it for “Experience” as being a primary requirement for the Oval Office to make sure the NEXT administration is as successful and productive as THIS one!!!
;-)

Posted by: russ at December 19, 2007 4:44 PM
Comment #241058

Philippe

The idea of WASP is outdated and broadened. In fact our concepts of race and ethnicity are outdated. It was once possible to make a good guess about culture based on appearance. No more. My point re Obama is that if you were allowed to see him, would you place him into a paricular ethnic group?

Consider - Immigrant father, American mother. Grew up in several countries and states. Ivy League education. Financially secure. U.S. Senator. Currently front runner in Iowa and New Hampshire,two of the whitest states in America.

Iowa’s black population is 2.3%; New Hampshire is only 1% black. Obviously Obama is not depending on the black vote in these states. That and the fact that the above description of a black man shows how far we have come with race relations. It is kinda silly that we refuse to see it and still pretend we are in 1955 Alabama.

Posted by: Jack at December 19, 2007 4:47 PM
Comment #241059

Philippe

The idea of WASP is outdated and broadened. In fact our concepts of race and ethnicity are outdated. It was once possible to make a good guess about culture based on appearance. No more. My point re Obama is that if you were allowed to see him, would you place him into a paricular ethnic group?

Consider - Immigrant father, American mother. Grew up in several countries and states. Ivy League education. Financially secure. U.S. Senator. Currently front runner in Iowa and New Hampshire,two of the whitest states in America.

Iowa’s black population is 2.3%; New Hampshire is only 1% black. Obviously Obama is not depending on the black vote in these states. That and the fact that the above description of a black man shows how far we have come with race relations. It is kinda silly that we refuse to see it and still pretend we are in 1955 Alabama.

Posted by: Jack at December 19, 2007 4:49 PM
Comment #241062

Sorry for the double post. I will have to add a third. I should have said NOT allowed to see him.

Posted by: Jack at December 19, 2007 4:50 PM
Comment #241094

Jim,

Frankly, I can not imagine either of them saying to the Russians, “tear down that wall” or “trust but verify”.

By Russians, you mean Israeli, right?
You don’t get the news about Berlin wall felt down, do you?

We have many wolves on the world stage that are hungry to humiliate and damage the U.S.

Your sentence is true until hungry word, included.
The rest is just your victimization showing up.

I know that is no reason to cross him off my list of possibles, but it is just a gut reaction to the man.

If you let your gut decide, don’t be surprise that your choice goes to the most tasty and not to the most clever.

What about using brain to make a choice?

Posted by: Philippe Houdoin at December 20, 2007 4:35 AM
Comment #241095

Jack,

The idea of WASP is outdated and broadened.

Great. I’m glad if it is.

My point re Obama is that if you were not allowed to see him, would you place him into a particular ethnic group?

Consider - Immigrant father, American mother. Grew up in several countries and states. Ivy League education. Financially secure. U.S. Senator. Currently front runner in Iowa and New Hampshire,two of the whitest states in America.

I guess it will place him in the wealthy ethnic group. What? It’s not an ethnic? Okay. But it’s today the social group that rule the others…

Anyway, it remains Obama is the only multiracial front runners for 2008, right?
It make him a distinct candidate from others. I’m not saying it should value, I’m saying the best symbol WASP is outdated and broadened will be seeing a multiracial US president.

Saying nothing more. It’s your election, not mine. But I’ll be watching ;-)

Posted by: Philippe Houdoin at December 20, 2007 4:44 AM
Comment #241128

Kerrey has now apologized to Obama in a personal letter, which can be read here at Talking Points Memo.

Of course George W. Bush was almost as inexperienced as these guys and that worked out okay. But usually it is a big problem.

Ha Ha! Good one! That has got to be the funniest thing I’ve read in any blog this week!

Edwards/Obama or Obama/Edwards!
These two will bring strong and intelligent presidential leadership to the nation.

Posted by: vertas vincit at December 20, 2007 5:02 PM
Comment #241240

I lived in Texas when Bush was governor, now in Massachusetts. I never voted for Bush (loved Ann Richards!) But, I get the sense that Obama is the real deal, genuine, and smart enough to take a new approach in American politics and make it work. Call me naive, I’ve been called it before…but I like what I hear from Obama.

Posted by: Bobby G. at December 22, 2007 12:06 AM
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First I have to comment on President Bush: he’s done okay? Ask the parents of the soldiers we’ve lost to a useless war that Bush had to finish off the job of his wealthy daddy. Ok, I think not. Unemployment is rampant, my city has people that are college graduates trying to get a job as a bag boy at the grocery store. I could go on about the demise of President Bush but I’d just get angrier writing about it.

I should note I am a white American Woman and race means nothing to me, especially because I am a Liberal and feel ALL races should be treated equally. Once again, people are making this out to be a race issue. What we all should be thinking about is the country’s problems and how we worry about rebuilding other countries and forget about ours. Last night when we had a 20 something temp, I could’t help to think about the homeless on the street and how wealthy this country is or all the people without health insurance and our President sure isn’t helping them. I’ll take a caring, intelligent, fresh thinking President any day over what we have now. It’s time we had someone young with new passions to control this country. Obama looks very good to me right now. Let’s support the candidate that can truly make a difference, not due to race but because he’s the RIGHT candidate for the job.

Posted by: Nadine Hanson at January 3, 2008 5:06 PM
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I support Obama and I think he is definitely going to take the demoratic primary.

Posted by: soju at January 5, 2008 1:28 PM
Comment #242580

I foolishly donated over $3,000.00 to Obama’s campaign- I have had a change of heart after watching Obama declare to Oprah Winfrey that he is a member of The Trinity United Church Of Christ in Chicago. (It’s an all-black church that supports Africa, never mentions anything about America.) I encourage people to research this for themselves to prove there is truth to this story.

http://www.tucc.org/about.htm

Thanks for your time.

Posted by: FormerObamaSupporter at January 8, 2008 4:50 PM
Comment #244626

I was a supporter of Obama and I still admire his speaking style and his energy. I can’t support him for President though because he thinks Reagan’s fiscal policies were good for the country. I couldn’t disagree more.

Posted by: leslie at February 4, 2008 5:52 PM
Comment #250827

There are some real good comments about Obama,
it is appreciated. He has been consistant, his
leadership quality been good, and he never said
it was about himself;he always say, it is about
the american people, to help people with the
true breaks that are needed. Especially stating
he will not keep people in the blind;it is time
that all americans be showed and told the truth
so what is wrong with that? wake up america he
is a man who has shared our pain.Also, he never said itwas about the money over people like some others has done. So, you haters, stop hating, and
pray for our country and its people; infact, pray
for the world and its people, we all need prayers,
and don’t get it confused. Being honest with yourself in being honest to others. Save our babies, and their future, and save our world.

Posted by: joe at April 17, 2008 4:52 PM
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