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Oh, The Irony

Congress ripped into Yahoo mogul, Jerry Yang, for sharing information with the Chinese government which led to the arrest of dissident, Shi Tao. After insisting on immunity for phone companies that (illegally) shared information with the Bush administration, it was appalling to hear Republicans equate Yahoo’s “cooperation with the Chinese government to companies that cooperated with Nazi Germany during World War II.”

Please stop! Yer killin' me.

Posted by American Pundit at November 7, 2007 7:55 PM
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Comment #237801

Umm… from the second graph:

“While technologically and financially you are giants, morally you are pygmies,” House Foreign Affairs Committee Chairman Tom Lantos, D-California, said angrily after hearing from the two Yahoo executives.

Emphasis mine. There were only two Congressmen quoted in the article one Democrat and one Republican. Your emphasis seems off on this.

Posted by: Rob at November 7, 2007 8:07 PM
Comment #237803

Morally you are pygmies?

This from our illustrious congress.

Could someone explain to me just how “morally superior” our capitalistic system is?

You do business in China, you play by Chinese rules. Anyone that believes otherwise is living in a fairyland.

BTW, AP, good to see you back. Hope your recovery is going well.

Posted by: Rocky at November 7, 2007 10:05 PM
Comment #237804
Your emphasis seems off on this.

No. My emphasis is right on. The nerve of that Republican, comparing Yahoo! sharing info with the Chinese government with “companies that cooperated with Nazi Germany,” when they condone US phone companies sharing info with our government for the same purposes!

Posted by: American Pundit at November 7, 2007 10:27 PM
Comment #237806

I have to wonder, given the tone of the article, if AP realizes that the Republicans are no longer the majority in Congress? I think Lantos’s quote sounded just as antagonistic as Smith’s…

That being said…
There is no “morally superior” government in this case. Like AP said, our government expects companies to share information as well. This has nothing to do with capitalism or communism, but it has everything to do with totalitarianism. Both our nations are run by totalitarian governments, the only differences being that they focus on different core issues and that we chose (for the most part) to live this way.

Posted by: TheTraveler at November 7, 2007 10:43 PM
Comment #237807

AP,

The nerve of that Republican, comparing Yahoo! sharing info with the Chinese government with “companies that cooperated with Nazi Germany,” when they condone US phone companies sharing info with our government for the same purposes!
(Emphasis mine.)

Wasn’t that a Bush Policy? What makes you think Smith “condoned” it?
I agree it’s kind of hypocritical for anyone in our government to say something like that right now, but please stop trying to pin all the hypocrisy on one party. Face it, this is not an R vs D issue. Both our parties are totalitarianistic and they are both at least somewhat opposed to China for being the exact same way.

Posted by: TheTraveler at November 7, 2007 11:02 PM
Comment #237811

“Both our nations are run by totalitarian governments…”

That’s a bit strong… as much of a libertarian as I am, and as much as I think our country is heading down the wrong path when it comes to the welfare state and the beginnings of the trouncing of our civil liberties… I would hardly say we have a “totalitarian” government… heading that way? Maybe… but we are certainly not even close to there yet…

Does anyone even think this website would be up and running in a place like China? I am sorry… but I fail to see the similarities between our two countries.

Posted by: Doug Langworthy at November 7, 2007 11:53 PM
Comment #237814

Doug,

You’re right. We don’t have it as bad as it could be. But if our government isn’t totalitarian yet, it’s pretty damn close.
Bush supports stuff like the wire tapping and the suspension of Habeas Corpus for certain people. The Republicans support BS like the anti-gay marriage amendment. The Democrats support Eminent Domain for commercial use of land and the classification of privately-owned property as public.
Oh yeah.. We’re heading that way.

Does anyone even think this website would be up and running in a place like China?

We’re not quite that bad. But try using a so-called swear word on the radio. Try showing a nipple on television, even in a show about human anatomy. Sometimes I wonder if our government thinks female nipples are more dangerous than terrorists.

Posted by: TheTraveler at November 8, 2007 12:32 AM
Comment #237815

TheTraveler,

Sometimes I wonder if our government thinks female nipples are more dangerous than terrorists.

It make some sense. After all, most of them were breastfed. Never underestimate a womam power…
;-)

Posted by: Philippe Houdoin at November 8, 2007 2:48 AM
Comment #237822

The concept of a totalitarian US government is intriguing to me. I have given this a bit of thought as I do not have much more. :) It seems to me that our current administration and the previous congress was most definitely headed in that direction and has made some headway. I will not go so far as to exclude the dems because I feel they probably are just as guilty simply because they have made no real attempts to discourage such behavior.

It is quite obvious that the corporate conglomerates and wealthy special interest groups have great power in determining the directions of our governmental policies. These folks get real and immediate attention from government when they speak. The rest of us mostly get false promises and are told time and again to wait for the next session. In the context that the wealthy now seem to dictate policy a definite class distinction has been made. Our congress and executive are in essence not much more than an extension and tool of the ruling class of this country.

Our government now taps our phone lines and intercepts email messages from and going out of country. We do have to be careful about what we say for fear it may be misinterpreted. They can now torture(depending on what one considers torture) detain and hold non US citizens indefinitely without question or a right to representation. How long will it be before that right is extended in the direction of citizens? Hopefully never. Each loss of freedom puts us that much closer and makes it that much easier for our government to achieve a totalitarian state. We may not be there yet, but we certainly are much closer than we have ever been in my lifetime.

Posted by: RickIL at November 8, 2007 9:44 AM
Comment #237823


Yes, capitalism is wonderful. Meat that is barely fit for dogs. Dog food that poisons dogs. Toothpaste that is tainted, flavored with antifreeze. Childrens toys coated with lead paint and date rape drugs. Most of the ingredients in our perscription drugs come from where?

But, we have a bright side, things are cheap in more ways than cost. It wasn’t the government or the corporations that began blowing the whistle on the products coming from China.

Posted by: jlw at November 8, 2007 9:56 AM
Comment #237825

AP,

You have to look how the government is going to use the information. In China, they can just lock someone up on trumped up charges of sharing state secrets. In this country, you have all of your rights until the President says you are an “enemy combatant” in the “war on terror”.

See? Totally different system. ;)

Posted by: Woody Mena at November 8, 2007 10:13 AM
Comment #237826

The end of nation states, a one world capitalist government, politicians that are bought and paid for, and wage slaves for labor. Conservatives accuse liberals of wanting a one world government. Liberals accuse conservatives of wanting a one world government.

Can you say Builderberg? Wage slaves can easily be bribed and threatened into submission. Wage slaves can be trained to laugh at and ridicule conspiracy theorists. What else can the wage slaves do? Admit that wealth has a master plan? Wage slaves can’t do that, they could put their wage slave lifestyles in jeopardy.

There is a reason why the wage slaves of the U.S. and Western Europe are given a so called better lifestyle. They have been trained to the leash and cannot be given a opportunity to escape that leash.

The ability to know what all the citizens are doing all the time is absolutely essential for control of the citizens if wealth is going to achieve it’s one world government. You can’t have rogues stiring up the masses. You must be able to sniff out and snuff out potential leaders of any organized resistance before it even has a chance to organize.

Some people read 1984 and are appaled. Others read 1984 and say that could work, it could be achieved. Technology and Newspeak (the dehumanizing babble of bureaucracies and computer programs) can be used to control.

Some people would argue that the internet is proof that free speech is alive and well. When the time is right, you can turn out the light and say, isn’t it terrible, the terrorists did it.

Posted by: jlw at November 8, 2007 10:57 AM
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