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Bush and his Cousin Vlad III the Impaler

Bush is Related to Vlad the Impaler No big deal. So is John Kerry. I am probably some illegitimate son of a nineteenth kissin cousin as well. Who cares?

It means nothing! What concerns me are the other similarities. See:Vlad III Vlad was a ruthless brutal barbaric despot that was a hero to his people for defending his country from the Muslims. Vlad impaled between 10,000 and 100,000 people on dull greased "pikes." Impaling is worse than crucifixion. He tortured, violated human rights, followed his daddy to the throne, and fought the Muslims. He intimidated his political enemies.

Bush and the Republicans are so proud of Bush's ruthless tactics. Republican Presidential candidates fall all over themselves bragging with chicken hawk bravado about who will torture, kill, maime, and start the most pointless and unnecessary wars. They are so proud of their ruthless tactics. Ruthless tactics that include bombing innocent Iraqi children so that we can "fight them over there."

Children are just collateral damage - collateral damage in a war that never should have happened. Collateral damage, It all sounds so modern and sanitary and sissified... not dirty, visceral, manly, and medieval like impaling your political rivals and feeding their meat to their loved ones. That is old school. Vlad cooked people and fed them to their families - Bush cooks their families.

Bush is a hero to "his people". A hero that is, to the vampirish Wall Street Federal Reserve Bankers, Federal Reserve Primary Dealers, Hedge Fund Managers, Oil Companies, and of course, Private For Profit Professional Killing corporations like(Blackwater.).... See: You Tube Federal Reserve part 1 of 5 You Tube Federal Reserve part 2 of 5 You Tube Federal Reserve part 3 of 5 You Tube Federal Reserve part 4 of 5 You Tube Federal Reserve part 5 of 5 Federal Reserve Primary Dealers

What is the difference between modern sanitary barbarity and torture and the old school variety like Bush's kissin cousin Vlad applies? Technology makes everything bigger, better, faster, stronger, more efficient. Aw for the good old days when all you needed was a horse, a piece of rope, and a stake. Vlad fought the Muslims, but it was mostly his own people that he tortured and terrorized. Bush will out a CIA agent and hang all of the covert non official cover operatives that she ever dealt with out to dry (die) just because her husband disagrees with him. It is Americans that Bush spies on without a warrant which has the effect of intimidating people from confronting his "evil doer" ways. It is Americans that are terrorized by Bush with constant talk of terrorism, mushroom clouds, "fighting them over there" and the release of new Osama videos at all of the most convenient times whenever Bush needs a political boost. One would think that Osama supported Bush... Vlad killed up to 100,000. Bush has killed, or set in motion events that has killed, somewhere between 100,000 and 2,000,000 innocent Iraqis all for the cowardly purpose of saving at most tens of thousands of American lives. That assumes that you buy the specious argument that it will even work and will not have the opposite effect of putting us in even greater danger.

I am out of town again but will monitor comments and respond when I can.


Posted by Ray Guest at November 3, 2007 5:10 PM
Comments
Comment #237562

Well, Bush sure sucked the life blood out of our future by raising the national debt from $5.65 trillion to over 9 trillion in just 6 years. As if that weren’t enough, this president is working on 10 trillion as I type, with $4.5 billion borrowing per month, just for the Iraq war.

Posted by: David R. Remer at November 3, 2007 6:39 PM
Comment #237569

This article is a few days late for Halloween, probably the only day of the year when it would have elicited chuckles instead of mystification. Bush is like Vlad the Impaler? Huh?

Republican presidential candidates brag about who will kill, maim, and torture the most people? What? Is this the kind of cartoonish nonsense that passes for political analysis among Democrats these days?

If it makes you feel any better, Ray, the top-secret Republican project to see if oil could be extracted from Iraqi babies and newborn kittens actually failed. Turns out it can, but as an energy source, it’s just not polluting enough. As you know, we’re trying to destroy the earth (for a profit whenever possible) in order to bring about the end of the world and hasten the return of our Messiah.

Posted by: Loyal Opposition at November 3, 2007 8:54 PM
Comment #237587


Treaties are compromises. No one gets everything that they want, they get enough to make the treaty acceptable to a majority. There are people in every country who don’t like this treaty.

L.O.: That top secret project that you refer to wasn’t stopped because it wasn’t polluting enough. It was stopped because it didn’t provide enough profits. Destroying the earth for profit isn’t deliberate, it is just that profits are of such overriding importance that we don’t bother to even conceive of possible consequences. If there are consequences, we won’t even consider doing anything about them unless the reparations are profitable. This is the situation with regulated capitalism, imagine how bad things would be if capitalism were unregulated.

Capitalism is not what distinguishes us from the socialists, Government by the People is. The purpose of Government by the People is to curb the excesses of power. Although it is not as effective or as eficient as it could be, it has had some success.

Posted by: jlw at November 4, 2007 9:50 AM
Comment #237591

Loyal Opposition,

Bush has advocated for torture and tortured. Do you deny that he has done that? Do you disavow it? Do you disavow it? If not, then you think that it is basically a good thing. Which would mean that you were basically proud of it. Certainly Republican Presidential candidates with the exceptions of Ron Paul and John McCain have advocated for it in their debates. They have fallen all over themselves to stake claim to the distinction of who would be tougher on the terrorists in Gitmo. Half of the “terrorist in Gitmo are innocent people who were simply turned in for the bounty or because they had a pretty wife - but who cares about that?

Bush has suspended Habeas Corpus, and spied on Americans i.e. subverted the Constitution of the United States of America. Do you deny it? Do you disavow it? If not, then you think that it is basically a good thing. Which would mean that you were basically proud of it. Certainly Republican Presidential Candidates have not disavowed it, therefore they are proud of it.

Bush has bombed Iraq and his failed policies have created the preconditions that have caused the sectarian violence in Iraq. The bombing and IEDS have literally cooked innocent people and possibly as many as two million people have been killed - certainly more than one hundred thousand. Do you deny it? Do you disavow it? If not, then you think that it is basically a good thing. Which would mean that you were basically proud of it. Certainly Republican Presidential candidates have not disavowed it, therefore they are proud of it.

The people that Bush claims as his constituency (his people), like Wall Street Bankers, Black Water, et al are sucking this country dry like vampires. Do you deny it? Do you disavow it?

Posted by: Ray Guest at November 4, 2007 10:54 AM
Comment #237599

Ray, I can’t argue that Bush’s is responsible for Iraq but he was not alone. We’ll just disagree up front that everyone signed on for the war so they all have their equal part and responsibility.

Do you propose that Bush is so intelligent that he has (1) successfully created the situation in Iraq (2) has done so to and for the exclusive benefit of his friends (3) has successfully avoided any type of criminal investigation for these actions.

How can this be? How can something constantly promoted as so corrupt, wrong, and illegal not see the daylight of the judicial process. To listen to the Bush bashers anywhere on the web and in the media, this guy would be in Stateville by now.

So why has this not happened? 12 months ago the Democrats (really the Liberals) promoted that this administration would be held accountable. Brought to justice. Made to stand for their wrongs.

Where’s the beef?

Posted by: Edge at November 4, 2007 3:16 PM
Comment #237601

Ray
“Children are just collateral damage…”
Come on. Its not like they are rich kids or even white people.

Posted by: BillS at November 4, 2007 3:53 PM
Comment #237603

9 wars in the last 90 years; not all necessary. Should oppression be measured by a body count? As time goes on, the body count will increase.

  • Posted by: d.a.n at November 4, 2007 6:51 PM
    Comment #237604

    Edge said: “How can something constantly promoted as so corrupt, wrong, and illegal not see the daylight of the judicial process. “

    But it has. Bush has had case after case of his overturned by the courts.

    All that is left is for a couple dozen Republican Representatives and 10 Republican Senators to vote with Democrats on the trial in the Senate following the impeachment in the House for violations of the law of which there have been several. The system is broke, because the Congress is pure party politics, the country and Constitution be damned. And the system is broke because the executive branch has usurped the power of oversight by the Congress, including refusal to submit to warrants for documents.

    Our Constitutional form of government has yielded to party politics and supreme power of the President. Even the Supreme Court yields now to political partisanship. To recover we either need to end political parties altogether (not possible) or erect a minimum of 3 parties of roughly equal power, unlikely so far.

    In the meantime more and more doomsday scenarios enter the realm of the possible and even probably unchecked, unprepared for, and to a vast extent, with blind eyes turned to the concept of too little too late.

    Posted by: David R. Remer at November 4, 2007 7:32 PM
    Comment #237607

    David, thanks for your response.

    I won’t pertend to be as well read as you on the constitutioin and have always respected your posts.

    If what you say is true, I stand by my thought that there should be remifications, costs for hijacking our Constitution. That by this point some group like the ACLU would have brought this issue further into the realm of discussion. If Murtha can get coverage like he did for a Haditha, over the top coverage. If we can watch, listen, and read all about Blackwater … then why no traction on this?

    I would guess that the answer lies somewhat in “wait and see” and “the full effect has yet to be felt”. But I struggle with what immediate impact their has been. This line of discussion has gone on for four years now. Other than what I have experienced in my industry, banking, and at the airport I just don’t see the impact to my life and my freedom.

    Posted by: Edge at November 4, 2007 8:48 PM
    Comment #237637

    When did the doors to Bedlam open and release all these folks? It’s difficult to find such nonsense even in the National Enquirer. Why not include some other infamous characters in your fairy-tale to compare with President Bush; The Big Bad Wolf, The Wicked Witch of the North, etc. Sorry, but some of you have the intelligence of a gnat. OH, OH, I am in trouble with the censor now, comparing the president of the United States to Vlad is OK and approved, but my comparison will probably be considered over the top. What a scary place your minds must be, filled with hatred and scared witless that most American’s don’t applaud your mania.

    Posted by: Jim at November 5, 2007 3:00 PM
    Comment #237642

    How does this post contribute to rational debate and discussion? How does this post contribute to better public policy? Comparing Bush to Vlad the Impaler is like comparing Harry Reid to Tokyo Rose…witty, perhaps, but useless.

    Posted by: Steve at November 5, 2007 4:47 PM
    Comment #237644

    Its all about the vote Steve.
    The more people who believe this kind of crap means less people concerned with the facts.

    Posted by: kctim at November 5, 2007 5:13 PM
    Comment #237648

    While I have my questions and disagreements in this post, I thought “Vlad” was kind of funny. Certainly better than the “Hitler” comparisons we hear too often. I’ll punt and say that Ray was doing some good’ole marketing to increase readership.

    Posted by: Edge at November 5, 2007 6:11 PM
    Comment #237657

    Edge, I was perfectly willing to read and even enjoy it as something tongue-in-cheek and satirical, but then it became obvious that the author actually believes this stuff. And there’s nothing funny about that.

    Bragging about who can kill, maim and torture the most? Give me a break.

    I have really very little use for the current administration, and other administration critics might find a lot more support if they’d inject a tiny bit of balance into their views instead of making the most outlandish accusations they can dream up.

    Posted by: Loyal Opposition at November 5, 2007 9:29 PM
    Comment #237658

    LO, can’t argue with any desire to elevate the discussion to issues and not name calling.

    As I stated above, and David commented, posts like this, to me, point towards some type of accountability to the party or to the courts. I am waiting for that to happen. Which in large part will help to sway my opinion and actually be concerned with my Constitution freedom.

    Posted by: Edge at November 5, 2007 9:57 PM
    Comment #237662

    Edge, well I’m glad we agree. As for Constitutional freedoms, that something most of all of us are worried about.

    I’m aware of a great many incursions against our Constitutional freedoms over the recent decades, but most of those have to do with limitations that government tries to put on our rights to speech, our property rights, and our right to bear arms.

    The current administration has not been much better and certainly not any worse than most in these areas. In fact, I’d say that many previous administrations with their anti-property rights, anti-gun, anti-speech agendas have been FAR worse.

    Posted by: Loyal Opposition at November 5, 2007 10:35 PM
    Comment #237664

    Hello. Well it has been a while since I have been on this site so I need to start over. I have opposed this administration since day one and like many other dems I thought it would get better when they got voted in. They have done some things that they said they would do but as far as being effective against the administration I just dont see it. As long as there are some people who are out there that can read this and we can agree that there are a lot of things that this administration has done and is going to do in the future that wont be healthy for this country as a whole then there is hope for the future. This is a hard political system to decifer and it was made that way to keep people pointing fingers at each other instead of the people we elected. As a dem the more I learn about Bill Clinton the less I like him. Thats what I get for not paying attention when he was pres. It seems to me that anybody would understand the dangers of wire tapping Americans. Just the possibility of one political party tapping some ones phone should be reason enough not to allow it. Think if Hillary had the republican headquarters phone lines tapped so she would know there plans. Does any one think that would be ok?

    I dont mind that people call either of the clintons or bushes names because I dont see any difference between them. I dont think that this is any different than the blog that started this discussion. Who cares that he compares to Vlad ? We need to care more about what what is happening to America. Is there some truth in what was said ? Yes there is. Did Bill screw us over also ? Yes he did. Does any body see a down hill slope where we are arguing while the politicians are getting free health care paid for by us and making money off of war. I could go on for a while about things I dont like about both Clintons and Bushes but as I do there will be some one that disagrees with me and that is fine. But before you disagree with me ask your self why. Do you think that if Hillary gets to be pres. that it would be good for her to have this kind of power. The kind of power that bush has been gaining over the past 6 years. This needs to be addressed because there are a lot of people out there that think any one having this kind of power is very bad for America. If you dont have the full concept of power that I am talking about then google bush and Constitution to see what powers that he has now compared to when he became pres.

    This is scary and it can be a reallity that Hillary could become President and have all of these powers that bush has now and then she will be able to get more because bush has been ignoring the congress and she will follow suit. Is it a good idea for Hillary to be able to torture ? Is it worth it when you look around and see what has happend to this country in last 2 decades ? It has been all downhill and its not gonna stop unless we all decide we have had enough of who we have elected and we are smart enough to realize that we do control what happens in our gov. Those who hate bush or hillary both have a point but cant we get some one who is better than both of them. Are we really stuck with rudy and hillary.

    Water boarding is torture but why is that the only thing they are talking about. Is there no other way to torture some one ? Why is this an argument when I am sure they could just use another technique that would be just as effective and not have it go through the media. I am not saying that bush is insane or crazy. I think he was smart enough to get what he wanted out of his presidency and he will pass that on to hillary. We will be saying all of these things about her if she gets elected cause I dont see the dem. congress able to stop bush so I am sure they wont stop hillary. Dont argue about the name calling just look into the allegations again to see if you are still right. Things change in a matter of days when all of the info becomes available and some people might find out that they were told something different when the media first reported it and now so double check to make sure where you stand has the support of proof. People who disagree with this Vlad comparison please check into the allegations and forget the comparison.

    Then come back with a comparison about about hillary and I will help you write it. Thank you for your time.

    Posted by: RonP.Revolution at November 5, 2007 11:10 PM
    Comment #237669

    Ray
    If Bush were Vlad the grease for the pikes would have been been made by Exxon on contact to Lockheed for 2 million a quart. The pikes would have been placed by Haliburton on a no bid contract,with half the pikes “unaccounted for”and the victums put on them by Blackwater for an “undisclosed” amount.

    Posted by: BillS at November 6, 2007 2:35 AM
    Comment #237685

    And now this, the latest outrage from BushCo and its evil minions.

    Posted by: Loyal Opposition at November 6, 2007 10:43 AM
    Comment #237686

    Vlad the Impaler….
    Who are you guys going to run against when W is gone? And has it occurred to anyone he is not on the ballot anywhere? (as though even Republicans would vote for him any more…)

    Posted by: Lee Jamison at November 6, 2007 10:44 AM
    Comment #237687

    L.O.
    The sky really is the limit with these guys!

    Posted by: Lee Jamison at November 6, 2007 10:48 AM
    Comment #237691

    Only one of two things could come from those facts LO.
    1- Bush is no longer settling on controlling the world, he now wants to control the whole universe. And he will destroy all parts of it that don’t agree with him.
    2- Global warming is also destroying the universe. Time to start using kids to stop this insanity.

    Damn Bush and his evil Republican cronies.

    Posted by: kctim at November 6, 2007 11:56 AM
    Comment #237709

    “Damn Bush and his evil Republican cronies.” Posted by: kctim at November 6, 2007 11:56 AM

    Careful Kctim, that might be considered a religious statement. Republican’s evil, Democrat’s good. How simple for you, everything black and white. I suggest there may be some gray areas with both parties and philosophies. For me, I will keep voting for the most conservative candidates I can find regardless of the party. Conservatives traditionaly have kept our Constitution from becoming a worthless piece of paper thru liberal judicial activism, and believe in the rights of all Americans without un-necessary interference by government at all levels. It is conservatives who advocate for the right to life of the unborn, our right to keep and bear arms, our right to shield our children from the liberal NEA, our right to keep what we earn and not have it confiscated by greedy politicians, and our obligation to keep our nation free from all enemies, foreign and domestic.

    Posted by: Jim at November 6, 2007 2:17 PM
    Comment #237711

    Lee

    Bush is not the debate here! IT’S about what he and his Republican co-conspiritors stand
    for. Riddle the Constitution. An as an apparent
    better than average,Educated person, I find even your defence of a party that has streighed so
    far from the very foundation that America was
    founded on, would make lite, an join some of
    these ass backward, ignorant of the facts on
    the Rule of Law, an for what pourpose. Be a
    Proud American First, defend the Constition an the Bill of Rights, an defend what ever party
    you belong too. There are way to few Americans
    defending the true, American Way with out selling our souls in the process.

    Posted by: _DAVID_ at November 6, 2007 2:52 PM
    Comment #237718

    True American way?
    Like excessive taxation? Taking from one American to give to another? Turning ones 2nd Amendment right into a priviledge? Forcing the minority to believe as the majority does? No-knock searches? Taking an American citizens personal property in the name of emminent domain? Pandering for votes? Lying to a grand jury? Controlling where people can exercise their freedom of religion right? etc…

    This is just a small example of well known violations your “true American way” in action.
    Talk about being ignorant of the facts.

    Posted by: kctim at November 6, 2007 4:45 PM
    Comment #237754

    kctim

    It appears that you may be a little confused

    about my post, but you may have proven at least

    one of my points of view.

    Posted by: -DAVID- at November 7, 2007 1:04 AM
    Comment #237758

    DAVID
    “IT’S about what he and his Republican co-conspiritors stand
    for. Riddle the Constitution”

    Then you pointed out about how “a party” that has strayed from the very foundation this country was founded on and speak of how some of you are fighting for the “true American way” of life.

    Yourself, as Ray apparently, believe it is only the Republicans who are shredding our Constitution, when if fact, it is both sides that are doing so.
    Your defense and support of “your side,” is no different than what you accuse Lee of.

    I’m not confused, thats how your post read David.
    And yes, I’ll admit it, I am VERY ignorant of opinionated liberal talking point “facts.” But, that is only because I prefer to deal with actual facts.

    Posted by: kctim at November 7, 2007 9:11 AM
    Comment #241297

    You are an idiot. First and foremost, let me just say, Vlad violated no basic human rights, because at the time there was no such concept. The methods of torture and execution he employed were also employed by ALL other monarchs of his time, and it was a very normal thing to do. Why do you think we call the Middle Ages The Dark Ages?!

    I mean his own father was scalped - which by the way means the skin was peeld off his face while he was still alive and conscious - and his brother had his eyes burned out and was buried alive…

    As for comparing which method of execution was worse…. well crucifiction, when done right allowed the victim to stay alive and in great pain for up to 6 days. Impaling killed you in a matter of hours.

    I won’t even go into the political and war aspects of Vlad’s reign but he did not inherit a cozy fluffy throne from his daddy.

    Any way… you cannot compare Bush and Vlad. NEVER

    Posted by: ella at December 23, 2007 8:38 AM
    Comment #241333

    ella,

    Thanks for your belated comment.

    You wrote:

    You are an idiot.

    This is actually a violation of Watchblog rules of participation and you could be barred from writing on Watchblog so please be careful in the future. It does not matter to me. It is water off from a ducks back. The rules are; critique the message - messenger. There is a link to the rules at the bottom of this page. The proper to express that aspect of your opinion would have to been to say that: my ideas were idiotic. If you had said that, one might reasonably assume that you probably thought that I was an idiot, but you would not have actually said so, nor even implied so, so you would not be in violation of the rules. Please be careful in the future. Your comment was well written otherwise and I want you to continue participating in Watchblog.

    Now as to the rest of your comment:

    There certainly are parallels between Bush and Vlad - as stated above.

    The fact that torture was the norm in Vlad’s time does not make it right. Basic human rights are intrinsic - one might say “inalienable” - if one were a founding father - so Vlad did violate basic human rights.

    The fact that torture is becoming the norm in our beloved United States of America does not make it right either.

    Thank You.

    Posted by: Ray Guest at December 23, 2007 9:17 PM
    Comment #241534

    Hi again. My comment was belated because I don’t normally do blogs…so to speak. I only commented because I came across your blog while reaserching Vlad online…I’m a bit of a history geek, so your comments on Vlad did upset me. The Internet is full of such derogatory comments to his address and all because a deluded and mediocre irish novelist chose him as the basis of a fictional character. I mean you could have compared Bush to ANY other tirant in history to get your point across(not that that would have been correct-I still believe there is no way of comparing two people from different times and cultures in a fair way, but…)but you chose the vampire…

    I honestly don’t care about Bush and torture may be wrong but it is effective and the fact that the so called public opinion bristles when it is mentioned will not make it stop. It is human nature. It’s not pretty but it’s real. There is no such thing as human rights, it is as much an illusion as the existence of a higher power is.

    Anyway, I’m sorry for violating the rule, I shall abide by it this time and say that your ideas are naive.

    Thanks for responding.
    Ella

    Posted by: ella at December 27, 2007 7:56 AM
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