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Things Republicans Don’t Believe In

Rudy Giuliani has been criticizing the Dems for not using the words “Islamic terrorists” in their debates, the implication being that by not using his magical phrase they are somehow expressing denial of the reality of Islamic terrorism. Using his iron-clad logic, I made a little list of things that Republicans apparently don’t believe exist.

This list was prepared using a transcript of the May 15th Republican debate in South Carolina. (Sorry, I’m not going to check all of the debate transcripts. For one thing, I can’t find them.) So here we are, courtesy the subtle mind of Rudolph Giuliani, the things that the Grand Old Party does not believe in the existence of or refuses to acknowledge*:

Motherhood

Apple pie

Puppies

Middle class

Ice cream

Fair play

Foreplay

Tax relief

Finding Osama bin Laden

Rebuilding Iraq

Leaving Iraq

Clitoris

Glass ceiling

Cinco de Mayo

Hispanic outreach


I could go on all day, but you get the idea.

* Remember, it doesn’t count unless somone uses the exact words.

Posted by Woody Mena at August 6, 2007 10:25 AM
Comments
Comment #228512

But, but……motherhood?????

Isn’t that part of “family values”?

Posted by: Rachel at August 6, 2007 2:22 PM
Comment #228513

Thanks for the chuckle Woody.

And right after seeing this no less:

“Rudy Giuliani’s daughter is supporting Barack Obama.”

http://www.slate.com/id/2171730/nav/tap3/

Just what does it mean when your own kid supports the opposition?

Posted by: KansasDem at August 6, 2007 2:24 PM
Comment #228514

Rachel,

Since you mention it, they don’t believe in “family values” either. Mike Huckabee wants to be “family-friendly”, but we all know that’s what wishy-washy liberals say.

Posted by: Woody Mena at August 6, 2007 2:33 PM
Comment #228518

I can give you a clear reason why Democrats don’t use the word Islamic Terrorists: because we don’t feel like beating people over the head with the obvious.

The Republicans, as an organization, are fairly elitist. They believe that the average person is not competent to figure out what’s in their best interest. So, they figure, if people don’t keep reminding folks about the Islamic Terrorists, they’ll be too stupid to figure out themselves that al-Qaeda is a threat that should be dealt with.

That, or folks won’t be scared enough by the difference in culture to feel like supporting Republican policy.

The Republicans need to figure out that Democrats and most other people in society are fully capable of understanding the values of freedom, morality and common sense without having politicians belabor the obvious.

Posted by: Stephen Daugherty at August 6, 2007 3:31 PM
Comment #228519

My wife is very allergic to mosquitos so when we sit on our deck in the evening I never say the word mosquito as she jokingly thinks that saying the name will make them angry. Some of you writers obviously have the same mental thoughts about “Islamic Terrorists”. What name do you find agreeable? A cute answer is expected, but serious thought is always welcome. All the candidates show up for the liberal blog-fest but none dare show up at the summer Democratic Leadership Council. What a joke. Do you belive the bloggers represent the majority in this nation? Moderate and Conservative Democrats need not bother to vote as they are no longer welcome in the “big-tent”.

Posted by: Jim at August 6, 2007 3:39 PM
Comment #228522

Let’s look at (some of ) your points realistically:


Tax relief - They are for Tax Cuts; giving “taxpaying” Americans more of Their money back.

Finding Osama bin Laden - Of course they are for finding him; they know that he is not the only one to capture or kill. There is an entire ideology of Jihadists that we have to fight and “DEFEAT!!”.

Rebuilding Iraq - They’ve been doing that; even some Democrats are seeing that and even being urged “to help in countering al-Qaeda’s vision of Islam.

Leaving Iraq - When the job (MISSION) is complete; they’ve been very clear on that all along.

Clitoris - not to kindergartners!

Hispanic outreach - They don’t believe in open boders; neither does 3/4 of Americans in this country. Yet, the dems version of Hispanic outreach is just as illegal as the illegal Aliens!

Posted by: rahdigly at August 6, 2007 4:00 PM
Comment #228530

rahdigly,

I don’t really know how to seriously respond to most of your points. Of course Republicans are more inclined to cut taxes, stay in Iraq, etc.

For illegal immigration, Bush is the one who was pushing amnesty.

Posted by: Woody Mena at August 6, 2007 4:33 PM
Comment #228531

Ok, guys, here’s the ultimate irony. Check out how many times the magic phrase is used in that Republican debate. The answer: once. By Rudy Giuliani. What the heck is wrong with these Republicans? ;)

Posted by: Woody Mena at August 6, 2007 4:43 PM
Comment #228534

So, by concentrating so much on “Islamic terrorists”, does that mean the Republicans support OTHER types of terrorists, like the Oklahoma City bombers, and the Columbine and VaTech killers? Did they mention their opposition to those types of terrorists in their debate? Doesn’t that mean they support them, then?

Posted by: Hotshot3000 at August 6, 2007 5:22 PM
Comment #228547

Motherhood

Apple pie

Puppies

Middle class

Ice cream

Fair play

Foreplay

Tax relief

Finding Osama bin Laden

Rebuilding Iraq

Leaving Iraq

Clitoris

Glass ceiling

Cinco de Mayo

Hispanic outreach

Woody,

I’m sure when any of these things become real issues of political debate, the Republicans would be happy to discuss them.
What is surprising is that clitoris and foreplay have not been brought up to Hillary regarding her husband’s experience in the White House on which she is running her entire campaign!

JD

Posted by: JD at August 6, 2007 8:23 PM
Comment #228548

Jim-
Do I have to say Conservative Republican every time I speak of Trent Lott, or say Neoconservative Republican every time I speak of Paul Wolfowitz? Hell, when I talk about Paul Weyrich, do I have to talk about a Religious Conservative Republican every time?

Conservative or Republican will do with Trent Lott. Neoconservative and Religious conservative will do with Wolfowitz and Weyrich; we can even reduce those to Neocon and Theocon! And why do we do that? Because meaning doesn’t necessarily increase with the word count.

Failing to call these people Islamic Terrorists does not deprive readers or listeners of all that much information. Most people already know what major religion they’re associated with, and how their particular brand of it motivates their violence. The only reason to constantly emphasize this point is to encourage xenophobia, and that’s not what we need. Xenophobia is the fear of foreigners, and that exactly what the terrorists wish to inspire.

They wish us to cut ties with the Middle East, and leave everything to them. The more we alienate the average Arab or Muslim, the more we give them reason for concern, the more we play into the hands of our current worse adversary.

Point out to me, if you will, the good sense of doing that.

As for the DLC? Well, let me tell you what just happened: President’s Bush’s victory is going to be a costly one. What Bush did was negotiate most of the time on softer terms, and then turn around at the last moment, when many Democrats didn’t have counterproposal as backups, when many thought they had found a modus vivendi, and yank the carpet out from under them.

Result? There are a hell of a lot of Democrats who are going to have to explain these positions in the next elections, and I doubt many of them are happy with the cards they’ve just been dealt. These Democrats could very well end up much more skeptical, and much hostile on the next pass, and with good reason: they’re weren’t dealt with in good faith. Bush got his foot in the door, but the next time he sticks it there, it might very well get broken.

Bush has taught Democrats valuable lessons over the past few years: he cannot be trusted to compromise with them in good faith; he cannot be counted on to admit error, to moderate his own behavior. If you give him an inch, he will take a mile, and not feel the least bit of remorse about it.

So, Democrats are getting tougher, and they’re making their presence known where the toughest critics of the President congregate. These politicians are not fools: they’re doing what they think the majority of Democrats, moderate and conservative, as well as the far left, want them to do.

The Democrats did not lose the past election doing this. The big tent has not folded, people across the political spectrum have just relocated themselves, taking the tent with it.

Rahdigly-
With that kind of realism, who needs bizzare flights of fantasy?

Given that government is of the people from the people, and by the people, I don’t know where you get the idea that the money stops being the people’s when it’s in the government’s hands. Additionally, since Bush has spent us into a deficit, it’s not their money they’re getting back. It’s coming from Japan, China, and Saudia Arabia. It’s a charade, a con-game supported by your party’s ironclad groupthink on the matter.

You folks can’t bear to admit that your tax cuts have never worked as planned, and deficit spending has always come on their heels.

On the subject of Bin Laden, It was this president who told Americans we’d find Bin Laden dead or alive. And then it was this President who said that he wasn’t really concerned about Bin Laden anymore, despite what millions of Americans wanted.

You can’t defeat an idea. You can, however make those who try to express it a certain way exhaust themselves trying to wreak their havoc, so that they waste resources and time, and in the process prestige. Then the idea loses favor with the method. Jihadists that fail to inflict much damage won’t be very popular.

Even better, if we stop giving people reason to believe what they say, we’ll be in a better position to convince them that the terrorists aren’t doing them any favors.

On the subject of Iraq, it’s a little late to start rebuilding. If you had secured things from the start, al-Qaeda in Iraq would have never come into being. If you had rebuilt things well from the beginning, we would have seen less contention and unrest. As for getting the job done, your folks have screwed that up so badly that waiting for that to happen means waiting forever.

On the subject of that hispanic outreach, how does that compare to your outreach to Senior Citizens, with your extension of that vote into the wee hours of the morning? Just now discovering a sense of outrage. What a coincidence that it comes just after your fall from majority status. It’ll get investigated, looked into, which is more than can be said for most of the Republican’s forays into exotic legislative practices.

Posted by: Stephen Daugherty at August 6, 2007 8:26 PM
Comment #228552

“Bush has taught Democrats valuable lessons over the past few years: he cannot be trusted to compromise with them in good faith; he cannot be counted on to admit error, to moderate his own behavior. If you give him an inch, he will take a mile, and not feel the least bit of remorse about it.”
Posted by: Stephen Daugherty at August 6, 2007 08:26 PM

More of the Bush can’t be trusted because he lies and cheats mantra, heh, Stephen?
Yeah, well, maybe Bush won on many issues because he was simply right; more in line with mainstream American values than the Democrats could ever hope to be.
So, he taught Democrats a lesson. Hmm? Considering what the Democrats have been saying for the last six years regarding Bush’s intelligence, if Bush taught them many lessons, just what does that say for the intelligence of the Democratic Party Leadership of Pelosi and Reid?

JD

Posted by: JD at August 6, 2007 8:36 PM
Comment #228559

Funny, but you could probably add “God” to the word of a lot of Republican candidates, too, but I won’t push it.

I find it strange that such a high profile candidate would draw so much attention to a typical rhetorical strategy in politics. I mean, being oblique is what allows them to appeal to multiple crowds at once, right? If you concentrate on what isn’t said (or how little is said) than every candidate, Giuliani included, would appear full of holes. In fact, if we took a silence or a “no comment” as an answer then Fred Thompson will never run. Bloomberg will never enter the race, either, and the online Unity08 primary will have to seek elsewhere for its bi-partisan ticket.

I’m not saying I enjoy or agree with this side of politics (and this article was worth a chuckle), I just find this comment of Giuliani’s to be an easy target. Too easy. What was he thinking? Doesn’t he know what they do to nit-pickers in college seminars?

Posted by: Bert (no Ernie) at August 6, 2007 9:13 PM
Comment #228571

If you have a few minutes, check out the latest analysis of the Repub. debates…..
http://www.factcheck.org/sunday_morning_missteps.html
Interesting how facts get scrambled..

Posted by: Sandra Davidson at August 6, 2007 10:52 PM
Comment #228575

What I want to know is what lesson did Bush teach the Dem’s and the American people. That the Supreme Court can be bought, that says one thing and does another(get Osama then says he nothing), to get us involved in a civil war and have our military killed so his oil money can continue to flow(Saudi), and give tax cuts to the rich. Oh I never seen a cent of the cut, but I sure had to pay more.
Lesson Bush taught us, not to trust a Tex-ass Republican President. Oh on Bush how about Bush the 1st with no new taxes..

Posted by: KT at August 6, 2007 11:36 PM
Comment #228576

Republicans don’t believe in foreplay? That explains much. As for the clitoris, it’s front and center and a helluva lot more real than Republican family values.

Posted by: Gerrold at August 6, 2007 11:39 PM
Comment #228587
What I want to know is what lesson did Bush teach the Dem’s and the American people. That the Supreme Court can be bought

LOL, the progressives proved that in the 1930s.

Posted by: Rhinehold at August 7, 2007 1:04 AM
Comment #228591

This very funny, Woody.
How about:

Honesty?

Accountability?

Law Abiding?

Constitutional?

Gerrold:
“Republicans don’t believe in foreplay? That explains much.”

Indeed. Somebody oughta do a cause and effect study on that.

“As for the clitoris, it’s front and center and a helluva lot more real than Republican family values.”

Not to mention more rewarding and exciting…
;^)

Posted by: Adrienne at August 7, 2007 1:21 AM
Comment #228601

jim-
Do you know the term, War Monger? Seems as there are
a few folks in our Country who run fast to make known their wrath, an talk big s’it about others
who they know nothing about. Follow in their foot
steps for a week, of those you an others call
retched names, an only then can you shout your
obscenities, an make ignorant remarks about people
in general, who they most likely don’t know. It’s high
time people started to realize that big mouths and
big guns should be a last resort an not a knee
jerk reaction determined by a few power hungry
people! Hitting a Hornets Nest with a stick is
never a good idea an since that’s what we did, we
must now deal with them. Why would any one attempt
doing the same dumb thing over an over? I believe
if we were to exert some tough love with the stick
an carrot approach, maybe the rest of the World
might give us a hand.

Posted by: -DAVID- at August 7, 2007 4:12 AM
Comment #228620

“So, Democrats are getting tougher, and they’re making their presence known where the toughest critics of the President congregate. These politicians are not fools: they’re doing what they think the majority of Democrats, moderate and conservative, as well as the far left, want them to do.” Posted by: Stephen Daugherty at August 6, 2007 08:26 PM
Sorry Stephen, your spin didn’t work. It’s impossible to say, in the same sentence, that Democrat Presidential Candidates are “doing what they think the majority of Democrats, moderate and conservative,…” and then have these same candidates snub the leadership counsel comprised of moderates and conservatives. That’s just nonsense and you can’t spin it both ways. Try again Stephen. YOu have a long way to go to match the master of spin…Bill Clinton.

Posted by: JIm at August 7, 2007 12:19 PM
Comment #228636

Woody
Did they mention GOLF? Personally I have never thought much of any game that would put a club in the hands of an Irishman.

Jim
So the Dem frontrunners did not go to the Leadership Council and the Rep candidates are not going to the AFLCIO presidential confab they have been invited too. Whats your point?

Posted by: BillS at August 7, 2007 2:05 PM
Comment #228641

BillS, I can’t believe you see no difference between The Democratic Leadership council, a functioning entity of the national party and a labor union. Being Irish, I don’t appreciate your attempt at humor but I will excuse your mental lapse as just another angry liberal lashing out at anyone different than they are.

Posted by: Jim at August 7, 2007 2:26 PM
Comment #228643

The terminally strange Bob Novak was on Charlie Rose recently, spinning and lying and propagandizing. The only thing that matters to him are tax cuts, and apparently only federal taxes matter, because that government is so intrusive to the economy. He also blamed Clinton for reducing the size of the military after the cold war ended, but complained that the military is too big now, allowing for foreign adventures. If this makes sense to you, then you are a Rpblcn.

Posted by: ohrealy at August 7, 2007 2:31 PM
Comment #228652

Speaking of Republican Family Values, have you guys heard about how GOP Representative Bob Allen offered to give a blow job to a black undercover cop in the public bathroom at a park in Florida? (He was only going to charge 20 bucks for this service.) Allen claims he did it because he’s afraid of black men and didn’t want to be killed.

State rep. blames fear in sex arrest
Here’s the pdf to the police officers report.

Jeeze there’s a been lot of furtive gayness and male prostitution linked to the Republican party these days, hasn’t there?

BillS:
“Did they mention GOLF? Personally I have never thought much of any game that would put a club in the hands of an Irishman.”

I take it you’ve never played golf with a Scotsman either, Bill? Whatever you do my friend, never play shinty
with a Highlander. Just trust me on this, okay? Turn them down flat, and go hiking, or over to the pub instead. :^)

Posted by: Adrienne at August 7, 2007 3:26 PM
Comment #228655

ohrealy:
“The terminally strange Bob Novak was on Charlie Rose recently, spinning and lying and propagandizing.”

Novakula should be in jail for being a traitor.
Here’s the latest irony: Novak: ‘I Don’t Support This Administration,’ Bush Has ‘Cut Me Off’

Posted by: Adrienne at August 7, 2007 4:11 PM
Comment #228666

Jim
FYI If I thought it wise to use my last name here you would decern that I am also of Irish pedagree.

I was not refering to “a labor union” but a national forum of the AFLCIO. Like them or not they represent a good many working Americans and are one of the few institutions that address working peoples concerns.20-30% of union households are Republican. What it means is that the Rep candidates really just do not care about working class people and their needs.

W.Clinton was a triumph of the DLC. Did you support him?Do you like what NAFTA has done for the country?That is another brain child of the DLC.Do you like the idea of Mexican truckers hauling friegt in uninspected trucks all over the country(NAFTA)?That has been again prevented by the Teamster and AFLCIO political pressure.The Rep candidates refuseing to speak to their concerns IS a big deal.

Posted by: BillS at August 7, 2007 7:18 PM
Comment #228667

BillS actually NAFTA was the still-born brainless child of Bust the 1st, but Clinton signed it. I guess it another way to blame the dem’s for republican missteps.

Posted by: KT at August 7, 2007 7:35 PM
Comment #228673

KT
Bush 1 started it but it would have had no traction if the DLC had not embrassed it.Us Dems,at least the DLC side,deserve some blame.

Posted by: BillS at August 7, 2007 8:28 PM
Comment #228744

BillS. Spin, Spin, Spin, it doesn’t matter. Liberals within the Democrat Party don’t want conservatives or moderates in their ranks except for help at the polls and with money. I would be stupid to vote for a Democrat Candidate who will only attend liberal conflabs and snub the vast majority of Democrats in between. Unlike many on this blog, I vote for the best person for the job and don’t really give a damn about party affiliation. I’ll take a moderate or conservative Democrat over a liberal Republican any day. Y’all are getting lots of attention in the press and your candidates are playing you folks like a fiddle. You’ll be abandoned soon when the candidate is nominated and starts running to the center. I can’t wait to hear the howls of “traitor” from you folks. Sadly, those who aren’t far left will be left in confusion and won’t have a clue what the candidate really stands for. It will be another “flip-flop” situation and that is not a winning strategy.

Posted by: Jim at August 8, 2007 11:23 AM
Comment #241758

Yes….Republicans have their weaknesses, one of which is their failure to care anything about working people. However, I do not trust the Democrats with national defense.

Posted by: David at December 30, 2007 12:07 AM
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