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Multinationals Fight Democracy

I have pointed out before that multinational corporations are not concerned with democracy. They are concerned only with the dollar. And they feel that the best countries for seeking the dollar are those that are not too democratic. This is why multinationals have descended upon China. Imagine the surprise and chagrin of these multinationals when China became a little more open.

China has decided to improve the conditions of its workers:

China's legislature passed a sweeping new labor law Friday that strengthens protections for workers across its booming economy, rejecting pleas from foreign investors who argued that the measure would reduce China's appeal as a low-wage, business-friendly industrial base. The new labor contract law, enacted by the Standing Committee of the National People's Congress, requires employers to provide written contracts to their workers, restricts the use of temporary laborers and makes it harder to lay off employees.

Multinationals considered this a dirty trick. After all the money the multinationals invested in Chinese industry, China had the gall to increase the cost of labor to multinationals. It isn't as though the multinationals did not lobby. They lobbied strongly:

Many multinational corporations had lobbied against provisions in an earlier draft of the labor law. The early draft, circulated widely in business and legal circles, more sharply limited the use of temporary workers and required obtaining approval from the state-controlled union for layoffs.

Companies argued that the rules would substantially increase labor costs and reduce flexibility, and some foreign businesses warned that they would have little choice but to move their operations out of China if the provisions were enacted unchanged.

China is rapidly losing its low-cost-labor sheen. So multinationals will move on to other societies that are more closed and where labor is not so uppity. Multinationals fear that China may even become a little more democratic. That would spoil everything: workers may go overboard, just as they do in the U.S.!

To keep themselves rolling in money multinationals fight democracy.

Posted by Paul Siegel at July 5, 2007 3:18 PM
Comment #224917

What’s your point? Multinational corporations are not governments.

I understand that you don’t like big business, but those corporations are doing exactly what they are supposed to do. They are making as much money as they can for their stock holders. Would you expect less of a corporation you owned stock in?

Posted by: tomd at July 5, 2007 3:43 PM
Comment #224934


Yes, they are doing what they think is best for their shareholders. But that may not be what is best for our country or for the world. That’s exactly why we need to carefully watch how they conduct themselves and, when necessary, regulate their behaviors.

Posted by: Gerrold at July 5, 2007 5:40 PM
Comment #224937

I hear Obama’s wife has been filling her pockets with that good old “Clinton Style” influence peddling money where she works. So embarrassing that she had to quit over it.

Now, will congress be investigating that? Will the left wing be calling for Obama to step down from congress?

Heck now, they will make him Hillary’s vp. He knows how to line his pockets just as well as Hillary does. Two corrupt peas in a pod running for the far left.

Do we think this corrupt dynamic duo will end corruption in washington, put an end to “big business influence”???

LAUGH. Well, if you pay them enough they might…..but right now they are filling up their pockets at the old influence peddling big business money trough.

You go Obama, you can rake it just as fast as Hillary does.

Meanwhile, not one liberal DARES to start a thread on this board about Social Security, whey the democrats should fix it, and why they are failing to try.

How about a thread on Medicare, why the democrats should fix it, and why they are failing to try.

How about a thread on earmarks and corruption…why the dems should fix it and why they are failing to fix it.

How about a thread on securing the boards, why the democrats support wide open boarders the south and why they SHOULDN’T.

No, all we will get is more of the same….support our corrupt, radicalized, far left crew. Forget about the real needs of the nation.

Posted by: Stephen at July 5, 2007 6:11 PM
Comment #224954


Several posters have gone over all those topics with you. If you would bother to read them then perhaps you could find another refrain. It is very clear to all that you get your info from some r-wing talk show propaganda outlet. You might want to try reading a newspaper or perhaps the News Hour. That may clear things up a bit for you.

Posted by: BillS at July 5, 2007 8:43 PM
Comment #224957


You can’t believe I’m as easily manipulated as your post indicates? Why bother?

When will the democrats fix social security? When will they fix medicare? When will they balance the budget? When will they secure the boarder? Why are they spending more than republicans did? When will they balance the budget?

You folks had no problem talking about this stuff BEFORE your crowd got in. Oh my, how great it’s going to be when the democrats come to town.

I told you then and I tell you now, they are corrupt, for big taxes, for bigger government and are not willing to fix any of the major domestic issues we all want fixed.

When will you folks start a thread on any of these issues? NEVER, because your support their corruption, you support their massive spending, you support their pork, you support their failure.

Now you have to cover cover cover for the good old boys in Washington as they line their pockets, sell their dirty little land deals like Harry Reid, stuff their freezers full of cash, and refuse to take on the big, broken, social programs that need to be fixed.

BillS, please point me to one thread you or any of your gang here have posted on any of these issues AFTER the democrats took power. I’m talking about a SOCIAL SECURITY THREAD. A Medicare Thread. A Earmark Thread. A Securing the boarder Thread. A thread on the continuing corruption in the democrat party.

This has been “covered” Bill? Yes, and you are working to COVER IT UP right now.

Stop covering up for the corrupt and do-nothing democrat congress. Push them, force them to fix these issues. Talk about these issues and talk about how they are FAILING to address them.

Their numbers continue to plunge and rightfully so.

Posted by: Stephen at July 5, 2007 9:33 PM
Comment #224964

No. But I would not invest in a corporation that would take advantage of labor. The religious right is quite fond of using Christianity to attack abortion and gays. Just about every major disaster (9/11, the tsunami, katrina) got blamed on either abortionists or gays by either Jerry Falwell or Pat Robertson. For some reason millions of starving people around the world seems to be a more pressing moral issue than gays wanting a little piece of paper giving them the same legal rights as heterosexual couples have.

I do not expect corporations on their own to have fair labor practices. I expect their shareholders to raise hell if said corporations do not give their workers the same rights said shareholders would want if they were the workers. I also expect shareholders to have some loyalty to their country, not just the company. Hershey’s shareholders should have screamed their heads off when the company moved a factory from California to Mexico.

Yes, I do think my country is more important than a few extra dollars in my pocket. Yes, I do think the rights of workers are more important than a few extra dollars in my pocket.

Posted by: Silima at July 5, 2007 10:30 PM
Comment #224967

The dem congress has had a few months to do all that stuff. Republicans couldn’t do any of it and they had six years in control of both Congress and the White House. I believe they spent most of it cursing the filibuster, for which they have suddenly discovered a very deep affection. Didn’t they also want to prevent gay marriage and restrict abortion? Probably were too busy taking “fact finding” trips to golf courses in Scotland conveniently set up by Halliburton or Jack Abramoff.

I’m just doing the same thing reps do when someone attacks Bush- “yeah, but look what Clinton did!”

By the way, there is no “a” in “border.”

Sorry for double-posting.

Posted by: Silima at July 5, 2007 10:39 PM
Comment #224985

It has become common place to hear conservatives refer to America as a Republic, not a democratic republic. No where is this belief more self-evident than in the neo-cons (new conservatives) absolute loyalty and support of the corporation as the representatives of what is good for our nation and the world. And in return for such loyalty, they struck a deal in 1994 with corporate America for vast sums of corporate money to fund their campaign elections and reelections.

Many citizen conservatives do not realize that when they mouth the talking points of the neo-cons, they are supporting a new world order governed and ruled by the corporate elite and their investors whose sole governing consideration is increasing the power and profit of the corporation that rewards them so handsomely. Nowhere in this arrangement is accomodation for patriotism, love of country, preservation of values and morals, or, individual liberties save those which can be bought by the handsome compensation of the corporate salary package.

If only such citizen conservatives could learn of the import of which they recite from neo-con talking points, they would no longer do so. But, that is the goal of political parties and candidates, to dupe an uncritical minded and politically uneducated audience into supporting and reciting platitudes which serve the party’s or the candidate’s own ends.

And this is easily done by PR and Advertising firms who masterfully restate the party’s or candidates goals into rhetoric that appears to reflect the people’s goals, despite the fact that this will rarely ever be the outcome of the people’s loyalty or faith in that party or candidate.

It is called consumer politics, where the packaging is designed to hide the limitations and imperfections of the product inside. All hale the greatest consumer society the world has every known. It is now entrenched in the very psychology of American consumers to continue buying the same product and living with the disappointment, even denying it, for the thrill of the next repurchase. Consumption is the measure of worth. Is it any wonder then that nearly all Senators in our Congress are millionaires? But few of high moral and ethical character on a continuing basis, as long as future political climbing is aspired to.

The Senators that come to act more often than not, in accordance with moral and ethical principles of governance, tend to be those who have given up aspiring to a higher political position, like Arlen Specter (R), Ted Kennedy (D), Robert Byrd (D), and Susan Collins (R). These Senators often reflect a lack of fear of their own party and the wealthy special interest lobbyists supporting them.

Perhaps what America needs is a ban from seeking another political office for 8 or 10 years after leaving another federal elected office. It would take a lot of the pressure off politicians to succumb to future aspirations, and motivate them to leave a public record they can be proud of running on if they return in 8 or 10 years for another and higher office.

I know, good idea, but, it would never sell. That’s the problem with leaving good ideas to the politicians who will not let one stand in the way of future promotions of elected office. Catch-22.

Posted by: David R. Remer at July 6, 2007 12:07 AM
Comment #224986


OK again
#1 SS is not broken. Its will remain solvent until at least 2042 with no changes at which time they will be able to pay 70% of benefits. Also at this point many of us boomers will no longer need benefits as we will be dead. The disaster scenario is being pushed by those who hate the program for idealogical reasons and those who lust to get their hands on the money through some type of privatization scheme.

#2 Medicare can only be fixed as part of a national healthcare reform package that injects some reasonable price controls. This will not happen while the Reps hold the Whitehouse but will happen probably about mid-first term for the new Dem president.

#3 5years,Sooner but have to pay off Bushco’s credit card bills.

#4 We just tried and the effort was blocked ,mostly by the Reps. We will try again.

#5We are not. It looks that way on paper because we will no longer keep hiding the war cost in emergncy apprpriations.

# 6 see #3

Really,turn off the propaganda and read a book.

Posted by: BillS at July 6, 2007 12:15 AM
Comment #224987

Why are we bothering to give Stephen the time of day? His post has nothing to do with the thread. But just for giggles, let’s look into his claims of Obama’s corruption.

Big nasty corrupt stuff here

That’s it. She worked for a company that does a lot of business with Mall-Wart. Whoop.

So Paul, Great post! It’s good to be reminded that, while the business of America may be business, the business of business is not necessarily America.


Posted by: leatherankh at July 6, 2007 12:25 AM
Comment #224991

Paul, Good post, it never fails to amaze me how the Chinese play these multinationals and our government for fools. It doesnt surpise me that these multinationals keep falling for the Chinese line but you would think sooner or later they would figure it out. I guess if you have no loyalty or moral obligations its easier to fall for the same old lines.
David, Your right, good idea that would never sell. All we can do is keep throwing the bums out until such time they can get a public financing of election law passed. Its obvious the multinational corporations who spend so much to influence the outcome of our elections have no interest but their own in mind when crafting the laws they want the bought and paid for politicians of this country to pass for them. You would think their loyal conservative followers would realize this and realize it goes against their own patriotic belifs but they just seem to mindlessly kowtow to anything they are told.

Posted by: j2t2 at July 6, 2007 12:46 AM
Comment #224993

“1 SS is not broken. Its will remain solvent until at least 2042 with no changes at which time they will be able to pay 70% of benefits”

What about those of us who will retire after 2042? (like me.)

Posted by: Silima at July 6, 2007 1:07 AM
Comment #224997

Excellent article. I agree 100%. I have no expectations that corporations would fight for democracy….corporations are simply not democratic. This is a problem that needs to be solved by the people via governmental change. And what’s needed most is a drastic overhaul of the United Nations, such that it is based on the principle of democracy. Specifically…

After all, if dictators are treated as equals in the UN, we should have no expectation that the UN will help spread democracy.


Posted by: gary at July 6, 2007 2:52 AM
Comment #225012

My boss owns a corporation. Why must he be political at all? The way some of you talk, corporations should be forced to promote democracy, That is NOT their job.

Posted by: tomd at July 6, 2007 10:16 AM
Comment #225038

Stephen- As long as the Democrats do not have at
least a sixty vote margin, few programs are allowed,
an since I saw none of your above demands being
fulfilled, while Republicans were in complete
control since 1994 or thereabout! I would almost
guarantee 2008 will change all that.

Posted by: -DAVID- at July 6, 2007 1:09 PM
Comment #225060


The numbers I gave are from the SS Actuaries. They are a very conservative group and most likely the time fram is longer. That is without any policy changes. To extend solvency there are some changes that we should make that are not particularly earth shaking. One proposal is to raise the income cap for SS taxation.May I suggest you check out AARP’s site for a simple explanation of more options.
There is a danger to SS and that is that the federal government will not honor the bonds it owes to the SS fund. The feds have never defaulted on our bond payments but it is up to us to make sure the promises are kept.

Posted by: BillS at July 6, 2007 2:33 PM
Comment #225074

Cambodia, Vietnam, and Bangladesh will be there for the multinationals if China is not, to say nothing of India, Pakistan, Indonesia and the Philippines. Also, the benificiaries of the global economy at the other end are frequently members of unpopular ethnic minorities, Jews in Russia, Chinese in the Philippines, and others.

Posted by: ohrealy at July 6, 2007 3:44 PM
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