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Republicans Kill Immigration Bill

Well, Republicans couldn’t get their act together on a response to illegal immigration and now nothing will be done until 2009 at the earliest.

Senator John Kyle made an interesting observation: "The American people don't have faith in their government's ability to win a war, enforce border security or even process passport requests." Well, whose fault is that?

During the Golden Age of Clinton we were on top of the world. The economy was strong, our military was still intact and our National Guard was at home to help out during natural disasters (like hurricanes). Aside from some short, successful state building in the Balkans with substantial support from our allies and the international community, America was at peace.

Through the Reinventing Government initiative, half a million non-military government bureaucratic jobs were cut while efficiency and response time increased. During Hurricane Floyd, nobody felt they were on their own; the federal response was swift and effective. Government worked.

Seven years later, "The American people don't have faith in their government's ability to win a war, enforce border security or even process passport requests." WTF?

And worst of all, some -- especially on the right -- don't even believe our government is capable of doing better. It's as if the 90's didn't even exist for these people. Despite the out of control federal growth, fiscal irresponsibility, foreign policy fiascos, domestic failures and rampant corruption of the last seven years, I still remember what competent governance looks like and I don't see any reason America can't be competently led again.

But competent government -- like responding to illegal immigration -- will have to wait until 2009... Assuming voters can transcend the kind of fear mongering that re-elected Bush.

Posted by American Pundit at June 29, 2007 3:57 AM
Comments
Comment #224375

Allright American Pundit say it with me: “there is no place like home”

“there is no place like home”

“there is no place like home”

This is the biggest load of crap I have potentially ever seen.

“The American people don’t have faith in their government’s ability to win a war”

I wonder why, when Democrats vote yes, than no, than yes, than no, than yes, than no, than yes, than no.

“During the Golden Age of Clinton we were on top of the world. The economy was strong, our military was still intact and our National Guard was at home to help out during natural disasters (like hurricanes). “

Golden Age??? Yeah freaking right? Was it not your saint Clinton who started the stupid don’t ask don’t tell program? Under what regime was NAFTA, which has hurt hundreds of thousands of American Workers, passed? Saint Clinton right!


Posted by: Richard Rhodes at June 29, 2007 4:28 AM
Comment #224383

AP,

I hate to say this, but you aren’t being fair to the GOP. Most Republicans were against “comprehensive immigration reform” (aka amnesty) all along. So the GOP basically got its way.

It WAS a defeat for Bush, though. The bill was his baby.

The Democrats did not come out bad politically, because they can move onto more popular bills.

Posted by: Woody Mena at June 29, 2007 8:12 AM
Comment #224398

I am glad that the bill failed. Illegals are illegals and should be sent back to where they came from. Put up the wall, add a little electricity to it. There are those that are coming in correct way and good for them, send the others home.

Hey what is the the matter with don’t ask, don’t tell.

Oh NAFTA, was started under George the First.

Posted by: KT at June 29, 2007 10:53 AM
Comment #224399

AP,

This was a Bush/Democrat bill, not a Republican bill…Big Difference…It looked to me like the dems couldn’t get their act together…not surprising…

Posted by: cliff at June 29, 2007 11:00 AM
Comment #224400

I’m very, very glad this amnesty bill was defeated. We don’t need an 800 page bill with more loopholes than the tax code. We need a 1 page bill that starts with:

1.) Close the border.

2.) Then let’s take our time and do something that’s fair and just.

Any immigration bill that does not start with closing the border needs and deserves to be defeated. If we can’t control the influx of border jumpers, we can only deal with those here in a rash, hasty and unjust way.

Close the borders first.

Posted by: Jim T at June 29, 2007 11:02 AM
Comment #224402
Most Republicans were against “comprehensive immigration reform”.

No they weren’t, Woody. Republicans were evenly split (24-25) voting to revive the bill and a significant number voted to end the filibuster yesterday.

This is Bush, McCain, Martinez and Kyle’s bill. These guys were the movers behind it who brokered all the compromises. With the incredibly thin Democrat margin, Republican support is vital to pass anything.

Republicans couldn’t get their act together on this issue last year when they held a significant majority and they failed again yesterday. Now nothing will be done about illegal immigration for at least two more years.

Congratulations, Republicans. Why don’t you just put a ‘welcome’ mat on the border for illegals.

Put up the wall, add a little electricity to it.

Well, nothing’s going to happen now, KT. Good job killing a bill that would have done all that. :/

Was it not your saint Clinton who … don’t ask don’t tell … NAFTA …

What does that have to do with competent government, Richard? DADT didn’t render two-thirds of the military and National Guard unfit for combat. DADT didn’t see too many Guardsmen and all their heavy engineering equipment in Iraq when Hurricane Katrina hit. NAFTA didn’t cause massive record-setting deficit spending and government growth by this administration.

I understand that you knee-jerk hate Bill Clinton, but America was in much better shape all-around in the 90s.

Posted by: American Pundit at June 29, 2007 11:26 AM
Comment #224403
We need a 1 page bill that starts with:

1.) Close the border.

2.) Then let’s take our time and do something that’s fair and just.

Jim T, the bill you were against did exactly that. The fair and just part would have been triggered by closing the border first.

By your knee-jerk, thoughtless opposition, you guys really shot America in the foot with this one. Now, nothing will be done on the border for years. Congratulations.

Posted by: American Pundit at June 29, 2007 11:30 AM
Comment #224404
looked to me like the dems couldn’t get their act together

What planet are you on, cliff? Democrats overwhelmingly supported the compromise legislation — knowing that the alternative was to do nothing — and voted accordingly.

Posted by: American Pundit at June 29, 2007 11:32 AM
Comment #224409

AP

“Congratulations, Republicans. Why don’t you just put a ‘welcome’ mat on the border for illegals.”


that was done a long time ago, 1986 to be exact. this bill was nothing more than business as usual. you can look at it one of two ways. it was either the democratic voter recruitment act of 2007, or if you like, the republican big business appeasment act of 2007, take your pick. either way it was bad for the average american. all we need to do is secure the border, which i believe was part of the 1986 bill, and go after the employers, { FOR REAL }, which was part of the same. no matter how you look at this, it was a bi partisan joke. trying to pin this on the reps. is retarded. it failed because the american people spoke with a unified voice, and said BULLSHIT !

Posted by: dbs at June 29, 2007 12:09 PM
Comment #224411

AP


“What planet are you on, cliff? Democrats overwhelmingly supported the compromise legislation — knowing that the alternative was to do nothing — and voted accordingly.”

no the alternative is to actually enforce the laws we already have. they wouldn’t enforce the laws allready on the books, why would you think this would be any different ? this wasn’t a compromise, it was a handout to illegal aliens, and special interests, that would have resulted in the biggest uncontrolled flood across the southern border you’ve ever seen.

Posted by: dbs at June 29, 2007 12:20 PM
Comment #224412

How proud I am that thinking Americans from both parties pulled together and stopped this outrageous amnesty bill. We were being portrayed as dunces who couldn’t understand the twisted language in a bill that few, if any, senators had time to read, much less understand. We were once again being asked to “trust” our elected congressional leaders. Have they earned our trust…No. Our combined voices sent up a mighty message to those on the hill. We have had enough and are mad as hell.

Posted by: Jim at June 29, 2007 12:25 PM
Comment #224414

So what exactly triggers the enforcement of the laws we have right now? This whole bill was a sham from the start. And as far as the R’s not getting their act together, 70+% of American Citizens did not want this bill, so following the will of the people is now called not getting your act together. Why is it so hard to understand that we have politicians that will not enforce the law? We have sanctuary cities, criminals are protected from being questioned about their status. Once we make someone a citizen, can we take it back if the fence isn’t built? Why not? We funded the fence last year. Lets get that built and get some control on the flow then we can account for who is here and why and deal with them. Let me ask this, it is generally accepted that we cannot deport the 12 million plus illegal aliens. How can you assume that we suddenly process that same group? This is ridiculous, the bill was designed to fail so that business can continue to enjoy the status quo. Throw the bums out that built this nightmare of a bill and those that supported it.

Posted by: JayTea at June 29, 2007 12:52 PM
Comment #224419

Great. Lets do nothing. Business got what they wanted. As soon as the guest worker provisions were pared they abandoned support. Now they can continue to create a disenfranchised underclass of workers that are afraid to complain.
Really good strategic move by the Reps. They get to keep their business bosses happy while keeping their rascist/exenophic cards in play.They also get to show that they are “independant” of a vastly unpopular White House. There is a whiff of a Rovian booby trap in the air.

Posted by: BillS at June 29, 2007 1:36 PM
Comment #224420

AP,

1/3 of Dems voted NO…that’s not an overwhelming amount by a long shot. This was NOT a Republican initiative…It was a Dem/Bush thing all the way…

Just how many Republican Senators will ever side with Kennedy on anything? Not an overwhelming majority, that’s for sure…

BTW - Check where your own feet are standing…

Posted by: cliff at June 29, 2007 1:38 PM
Comment #224424

I have become a Lou Dobbs Democrat on this issue. I shouted HOORAY when it was defeated!! The American people saw through this snow job and I am so proud!!

According to the GAO, this bill would have only lowered illegal immigration by 25%. Is that securing the borders?

From Lou Dobbs:

We cannot reform immigration law until we control immigration, and we cannot control immigration until we control our borders and our ports. This president and the congressional Democratic leadership refuse to recognize that reality and will not honor that truth.

Lou’s Top 5 List

Top 5 Dumbest Things in the Immigration Bill

5) Taxpayers will pay for the immigration lawyers for illegal aliens if working in agriculture.

4) Illegal aliens would be given legal status just one day after their application is filed even if a background check is not completed.

3) Gang members are eligible for amnesty if they renounce their gang status.

2) Borders do not have to be secure before the amnesty program begins.

1) $2,600,000,000,000 — That is the cost the Heritage Foundation estimates to cover the retirement benefits of 12,000,000 illegal aliens if this amnesty bill becomes law.

As far as I am concerned, the top dumbest things are any congress person who voted for this travesty.

One of the very few times I completely disagree with AP.


Oh, and to BillS: We have laws on the books. Show Americans that the government is willing and able to enforce the laws already on the books, secure the border and then take another look.

The point most Americans seem to want to make is SECURE THE BORDERS!!!!!!!! There is no reason this immigration reform can’t be taken one step at a time. Unless it’s just the institutional stupidity and arrogance of Washington.

Posted by: womanmarine at June 29, 2007 2:06 PM
Comment #224429

WM et al

Missing from from most of this debate is a simple truth.The demographic gradient between Mexico and the US is such that a northward mogration is not stoppable by any means likely to be allowed by a democracy not at war with our nieghbor ie. landmines,kill zones,summary executions,sinking of passenger ships, destruction of cities near the bordor etc. The migration is a natural occurance. Stemming it is no more possible that stopping tree pollen or bird migration. Controlling it is a different matter but for that to happen this basic truism needs to be taken into account.

Posted by: BillS at June 29, 2007 3:00 PM
Comment #224434

So BillS we should just let everyone come and become instant citizens because you feel we can’t secure the borders and enforce our laws?

Please.

Posted by: womanmarine at June 29, 2007 3:30 PM
Comment #224435

BillS

“Great. Lets do nothing”

no, lets build the fence, and put enough personell on the border to slow it to a slow crawl.


“They get to keep their business bosses happy while keeping their rascist/exenophic cards in play.They also get to show that they are “independant”


good response, play the race card. this has nothing to do with race, and everything to do with controlling the illegal migration of foriegn nationals into this country.


and no they get to show they actually care about what the majority of americans want, secure the damn borders first.


“Missing from from most of this debate is a simple truth.The demographic gradient between Mexico and the US is such that a northward mogration is not stoppable by any means likely to be allowed by a democracy not at war with our nieghbor ie. landmines,kill zones,summary executions,sinking of passenger ships, destruction of cities near the bordor etc.”


this is just a little melodramatic don’t you think. kill zones, land mines, summary executions, WTF.

how about putting enough border patrol agents at the border, and arm them appropriately, and give the ability to defend themselves, and enforce the damn law. if need be you put some national gaurd forces down there to back them up if nessesary. the truth is, it is possible to secure the border, but it won’t happen until these a—hole politictians pay for ignoring the will of the majority of american people.

Posted by: dbs at June 29, 2007 3:36 PM
Comment #224442

Bill S.

Mexico encounters a similar “demographic gradient” (good term) with their Southern neighbors yet they seem to be able to control the situation quite effectively.

JT

Posted by: jayTea at June 29, 2007 4:17 PM
Comment #224448

jayTea

They have not been terribly succesful which explains why a good many.undocumented entrants are Guatamalan etc.

dbs
Melodramatic. Not at all.I am cetainly not proposing we do those things just that this kind of population migration is not stopable without them. A fence? Please. Besides the contractors would most likely hire undocumented workers to build it.Heavily man the bordor? Sure,lets spend half the federal budget on it. Move the military there? I’ve heard they are busy.Line it with electronics. Still need people to respond not to mention you would be able to buy the gizzmos at the swap meet in about two weeks.After all this, other means of entry would spring up.Nature abhors a vacumn.
Do nothing? No.For security reasons we need to control our bordors but pipedreams about shutting them and deporting all the people here without papers will not help us do that butnonly cause a great deal of human suffering and squander a fortune.

Posted by: BillS at June 29, 2007 5:47 PM
Comment #224469

“The migration is a natural occurance. Stemming it is no more possible that stopping tree pollen or bird migration. Controlling it is a different matter but for that to happen this basic truism needs to be taken into account.”
Posted by: BillS at June 29, 2007 03:00 PM


Funny, Bill, I’ve never seen a Mexican carried by a soft breeze over a pretty stiff, thick, well-manned wall like perhaps, tree pollen or a bird might be. But, the analogy was imaginative and cute nonetheless!

JD

Posted by: JD at June 29, 2007 11:23 PM
Comment #224470

JD
Point is that Mexico has a rapidly increasing and younger population.That and economic disparities largely brought about by this and crony capitalism insure a northern migration.It is nature,no respecter of political boundaries.Long term solutions are possible,ie education and access to birth control etc.Real economic developement could help slow the pace some but basically it is not stoppable.The wall you imangine would rival the great wall of china,the construction of which ate up the Chinese economy for centuries.
Another thing of note is that Mexicans in particular ARE the indigenious people of much of the US. Although the Mexican War was some time ago it is only a blip anthropologicly speaking.A migration is pretty predicable.

Posted by: BillS at June 30, 2007 12:00 AM
Comment #224482

American Pundit-Say to your self three times, the laws on the books really, [will be enforced,] then
click your heals together three times an all
will be well in our Kingdom! H R S 1639 Immigration
bill is not a good law, so we try again when cooler
heads may realize that the United States is not the
Worlds Orphanage. American interests along with
other Nations can an should do much more to help
developing Countries an stop the theft of their
Natural Resources, which includes their people!
Vote on (R)S 1639
Dem. yea 33-nay 15 not voting 1
Independent 1 yea 1 nay
Republican 12 yea 36 nay
For the good of all, we must get this problem
solved AP or you may soon wish that you had a
pair of real magic shoes.

Posted by: -DAVID- at June 30, 2007 3:21 AM
Comment #224483

Richard Rhodes - A P has made some very valid
points, why not in-bed some good suggestions
instead of detracting from them. This point in
time calls for togetherness, otherwise, what
are your intended objectives?

Posted by: -DAVID- at June 30, 2007 5:25 AM
Comment #224484

American Pundit- I enjoyed your post an I hope
you don’t mind my somewhat warped sense of
humor. (*!*)

Posted by: -DAVID- at June 30, 2007 5:37 AM
Comment #224502

I agree with womanmarine. This was poor legislation that was attempting to do too many things, and likely none of them very well. I’m glad that it got shot down.

womanmarine said:
“We have laws on the books. Show Americans that the government is willing and able to enforce the laws already on the books, secure the border and then take another look.”

Exactly. The fact that they have never been able to enforce the existing laws didn’t make the prospect of new laws seem very probable.
Border security and immigration should be dealt with as entirely separate issues, because that is what they are. Following 9/11, the only commonsense thing to do was to focus first on securing our borders, and it is madness that this wasn’t done years ago.

Posted by: Adrienne at June 30, 2007 4:44 PM
Comment #224522

American Pundit:

You said,”Senator John Kyle made an interesting observation: “The American people don’t have faith in their government’s ability to win a war, enforce border security or even process passport requests.” Well, whose fault is that?” Maybe it is the fault of people that are willing to denounce every policy decision for political gains? Can it be due to people that are invested in the failure of American policy for political gain? Need I remind you that Senator Reid and speaker Pelosi both announced that the “troop surge” was a failure before all of the troops were actually on the ground in Iraq? No matter that they had not the chance to make a difference, they failed even before they arrived? This is not an isolated faux pas, and no matter if Senator Kennedy himself authored a bill that was considered a failure it had to be President Bush’s fault(if you werent thinking No child, you were wrong).

You said,”During the Golden Age of Clinton we were on top of the world. The economy was strong, our military was still intact and our National Guard was at home to help out during natural disasters (like hurricanes). Aside from some short, successful state building in the Balkans with substantial support from our allies and the international community, America was at peace”. First of all, President Clinton inheireted a strong economy and left a recession in the making. Would you make the arguement that the economy was stronger and/or expanding when he took ffice or left it? America was at peace???? It was not the 1960’s, so I will rule out LSD. How many times pre 9/11 does Osama have to attack us before it qualifies as a war??? Oh, I get it, it is only war if we choose to fight back. What peace it was!!!!!!!!!

Hurricane Floyd was the pinnacle of government response? It was a freaking class 2 hurricane that came on shore in a place that was not a metropolis surrounded by water on both sides. It did not have another hurricane right behind it either. It did not have a inept Democtatic Governer, Mayor, Rep and Senator to paralyze the implimentation of sound evacuation and recovery plans. Your point is both asinine and obtuse. I guess it is that way if you are trying to revise history to meld with your own beliefs. It works well if your sole purpose is to try to destroy the peoples’ faith in government for political gain. What was the question again? That’s right it is “The American people don’t have faith in their government’s ability to win a war, enforce border security or even process passport requests.” WTF?”

Your main point is that “Republicans couldn’t get their act together”. I say they did. Who led the charge in the Senate? Whos desk was it on, being edited when the motion was brought on the floor? Was it on a mean Repubs desk or a friendly Dems? When the unanimous consent to waive the reading was not granted, who had to go get it from whom and how long did it take to finnish editing before a bill to be voted on was read on the Senate floor? Here is a hint for you…..Senator Reid DEMOCRAT- Nevada had to get it from Senator Kennedy DEMOCRAT- Mass and it took longer than the time alloted time to debate on the clay pigeon. That is right, had things not been obstructed, the bill could have been voted on while still being written!! Would you been taking the same stand if the bill had been on Newt’s desk? Had the bill passed you would be heralding the bipartisan vote to pass it, but not a bitpartisan vote to kill the legislation….to quote you again….WTF???


Posted by: submariner at June 30, 2007 10:16 PM
Comment #224584

Here is a clip of the immigration bill and why it failed

http://beta.redlasso.com/Community/ClipPlayer.aspx?i=9de8806c-03ce-44e9-a0cb-b95fbe779bbc

Posted by: John at July 2, 2007 1:22 PM
Comment #224612

“The wall you imangine would rival the great wall of china,the construction of which ate up the Chinese economy for centuries.”
Posted by: BillS at June 30, 2007 12:00 AM

We can help build a hurricane proof fortressed palm tree shaped island for tourists in the UAE but we can’t even build a simple, thick wall across our border. Doesn’t make sense to me!

JD

Posted by: JD at July 2, 2007 10:53 PM
Comment #224628
Need I remind you that Senator Reid and speaker Pelosi both announced that the “troop surge” was a failure before all of the troops were actually on the ground in Iraq?

…As did I and every military and Middle East expert who was asked about it. It’s too little, too late.

As for immigration, polls show that a majority of Americans — and a majority of Republicans — want a comprehensive immigration bill. The bill wasn’t the problem. Kyle’s right: America lost faith in the administration’s ability to enforce the border and manage a coherent immigration process.

Posted by: American Pundit at July 3, 2007 3:00 AM
Comment #224704

American Pundit:

As to”…As did I and every military and Middle East expert who was asked about it. It’s too little, too late.”, civillian deaths are down over a third in Baghdad. The purpose of the surge is to give some stability in the area so that governence may be possible. That goal is being approached more every day. Again how can you instill into a nation hope when your message is failure——-before anything is given a chance to succeed? I am not advocating rose colored glasses, but i choose not to wear blinders either. If someone is given a task, should they not be given the time and resources to accomplish the task BEFORE being condemned to failure? What was the point in condemming the mission as a failure before it even had a chance? POLITICS. The Democratic can score political points. Nothing more.

“As for immigration, polls show that a majority of Americans — and a majority of Republicans — want a comprehensive immigration bill. The bill wasn’t the problem. Kyle’s right: America lost faith in the administration’s ability to enforce the border and manage a coherent immigration process.” I agree with you on your facts, but your conclusion is wrong. The majority of Americans do want to have a comprehensive immigration bill, but NOT that one. I dare you to show me one credible poll that says that this bill was wanted by a majority of the American people. The same polling data will point out that either the Republican action on this bill was supported or in the face of a majority of Americans. But still no matter the publics views, no matter the realities of the bill, some would rather run down the President and hurt national intrests just to attempt to drag down a political opponent. I borrow your question again—-WTF???

Posted by: submariner at July 3, 2007 4:30 PM
Comment #224959

There was bi-partisan hatred of this bill.

Your effort to grant amnesty to millions of illegals while keeping our boarders wide open to your politically correct illegal migration has failed.

American stood up and screamed NO in massive numbers and the liberals took a fall.

Posted by: Stephen at July 5, 2007 9:42 PM
Comment #225939

“The wall you imangine would rival the great wall of china,the construction of which ate up the Chinese economy for centuries.”
Posted by: BillS at June 30, 2007 12:00 AM

Completely bogus.

I don’t imagine you realize the difference between a construction project in the early BC’s and today.

We can build a half a billion dollar walled compound the size of EIGHTY football fields with a pool and more…. but we cannot build a wall along our southern border?

Give me a break.

Corporations and the government want things to go exactly like they are and it’s not going to change.

Say good bye to what you paid for America, within 100 years California, arizona and Newmexico will be part of mexico.

“Hispanics will make up 52 percent of the (california) population in 2050, up from 36 percent now. Whites, now 43 percent of the population, will drop to 26 percent, while Asians’ share will grow by 1 percentage point to 13 percent, and blacks will decline from 6 percent to 5 percent, according to the department’s forecast.”

Posted by: jrjr at July 11, 2007 10:13 PM
Comment #225940

I forgot to mention that compound is TWELVE THOUSAND MILES away from our country. I’m pretty sure our border is… just to the south.

Posted by: jrjr at July 11, 2007 10:14 PM
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