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Immigration and Business

Putting aside the security issues of immigrations, the big focus on immigration centers around the economy. The illegal aliens are low-wage competition for Americans. That simple. Many want a Guest-Worker program. I think that betrays both Americans and the legal immigrants who follow our laws to gain their prosperity. That’s nothing new for the advocates of low-wage labor.

I hear an awful lot from those who complain that you can't find Americans to fill certain jobs. The B.S. part of that is that they could fill those jobs, if they were paying the prices the market set for those workers! There is a labor market in America where the downward pressures from business, both legitimate and illegitimate, combine with the upward pressure that both the economy and the desires of the workers set from below. The latter half is what many of the corporate apologists and supply siders don't acknowledge. The market is supposed to help their bottom line, in their view.

You could also speak of a market for immigration, for people who want or need to leave their countries, and come here to build a new life or earn money at the very least. The people who would need this chance, typically, are the poor and disadvantaged. That was what many of our ancestors qualified as. Our current system, though, makes legal immigration a pricey affair:

Gonzales said 99% of the agency's budget came from user fees, a system Congress devised based on the principle that the costs of citizenship should be borne by immigrants, not taxpayers.

Under the increases, which cover almost all immigration benefits, the cost of bringing a foreign fiance or fiancee will jump to $455 from $170. The price tag for a green card, or permanent resident visa, will rise to $930 from $325, and the cost of citizenship papers will increase to $675 from $330.

It's fairly obvious what's happened over the years: we've priced many out of the market for legal immigration. We could have them as legal immigrants, but congress in years past and this administration now pay for a critical element of the process on the backs of those coming in. We're the ones discouraging legal immigration among the poor, the hard working.

At the same time, business claim the need to basically institutionalize the situation in a legal fashion. to create guest worker programs. Supposedly, this is a path to citizenship, but raises real questions about why such a path is necessary, or even fair, for anybody concerned. Here's what somebody from the The New Republic had to say:

Indeed, to see the pernicious (and un-American) nature of a guest-worker program, one need only look across the Atlantic at the misery such programs have wrought in Europe. Spurred by extreme labor shortages in the 1950s, a host of European countries--including West Germany, France, Norway, Denmark, Sweden, and the Netherlands--adopted guest-worker programs. Those nations sought temporary immigrants to address their manpower problems, because they believed the labor shortages themselves were temporary and would end once the generation born after World War II entered the workforce. They also hoped that foreign workers would fill low-status jobs while allowing citizens to enjoy better-paying positions.

But the guest-worker programs also reflected European notions of nationhood--attitudes that could not be more different than those of the United States. The guest-worker programs were a way in which these European countries could avoid becoming ethnically plural societies. Of course, those nations became ethnically heterogeneous when the guest workers did not go home. But the workers, while remaining in those European countries, never became of them. Consider Germany, for instance, where more than two million Muslims of Turkish origin--whose families came as guest workers four decades ago--live today. They live in Germany not as Germans, but in a strange sort of nationless limbo--afforded certain benefits of citizenship (such as health care) but denied the privilege of actually being citizens. Which, of course, denies them any incentive to assimilate to their new country. The prospect of such a thing happening in the United States with Mexican guest workers is only too real.

The author does go on to favor Bush's plan, given that it has that path to citizenship, but I say that such is utterly unnecessary, We should avoid the double standard altogether. There should not be one immigration system for the rich, and another for the poor. If we are interested in policing our borders properly, and keeping track of those who enter, one price will be the lowering of fees for legal immigration, and the use of tax dollars to better handle this situation.

The folks who enjoy the forbidden fruits of illegal immigration cry foul, saying that this would damage their business's bottom line. Well, the real trouble is, in any legitimate market society, is that nobody has a inherent right to be successful in business. If you can't pay for the capital necessary to run a business, you shouldn't be in business. Same thing goes with minimum wage. Our nation has certain interests that are served by people earning a living wage, not the least of which is the general health of the economy, and the reduction of the strain on our public health system. A person who can live on the money they earn is a person who isn't afraid of earning more because they might lose the benefits that come with remaining tied to the system. Private Enterprise, by ignoring the realities of the labor market for decades, trying to artificially surpress wages, has fallen behind government, which is required to keep up with cost of living increases. This has been tolerated, in the name of improving the economy.

The truth is, Government should not kowtow to those who want the benefits of being in business without the risks or the costs. One cost of doing business is paying your workers enough that they will feel encouraged to remain your employee. If you're unwilling or unable to pay the necessary number of employees the necessary wages to get them to work for you, you shouldn't be in business!

The support of many conservatives for measures that allow big business and small to get away with not facing such realities is what leads many Americans, myself included, to question whether free-market conservatives' principles run any deeper than the appearance of loyalty to market economics, whether their philosophy is anything more than dressed-up laissez faire capitalism and economic elitism. How many times and in how many ways did we hear Republicans talk about tax breaks? How many times did the Republican Congress relax law and oversight on these people?

We have to face that we are in trouble here because congresses dominated by both parties in times past put priority in serving the interests of business, rather than serving the general welfare. We need to put pressure on the current Congress and this current President to put America's public interests first. The private interests are supposed to take care of themselves.

A real immigration bill will make it easier for the poor to come to this country, will encourage them to to go through the legal process for immigration. The price we pay for wiping the noses of businesses too cheap to hire workers at real wages is both our economic health and our cultural unity.

Posted by Stephen Daugherty at June 9, 2007 7:29 AM
Comment #222700

Good article. These are complex issues, but I just have time for a couple of comments.

First of all, having some kind of amnesty could actually be good for native-born workers, because the newly-legal immigrants will get minimum wage (or better), be able to unionize, etc. Right now the minimum wage is meaningless in industries that rely on illegal labor.

Guest worker programs are problematic because, as you point out, the workers don’t act like guests. They stick around when they are supposed to leave. (Maybe they are like really thoughtless guests.) So we may as well acknowledge reality and grant some kind of permanent status.

At the other end of the economic spectrum, we should raise the cap on H1B visas for skilled workers. Right now we have a system where we

1) invite really smart people to the US to study,

2) teach some all sorts of useful stuff,


3) kick them out because there aren’t enough visas.

It’s loony. We should keep smart people around to grow the economy.

Posted by: Woody Mena at June 9, 2007 12:38 PM
Comment #222701

trying to turn off italics

Posted by: Woody Mena at June 9, 2007 12:39 PM
Comment #222702

Terrorist Walks Across Mexican Boarder

one of the JFK Fuel Blasting (plot) Muslims came in with his family across the Mexican boarder. We now have a situation where those who advocate wide open boarders in order to allow millions of Illegals to cross into the US are clearly undermining Our Security as a nation.

The mans father was quoted on TV telling the story of how they paid a “coyote” money to get them into the US from Mexico illegally.

Multicultural-worshiping, pro-Illegal-immigration citizens can no longer hide behind the religion of “multiculturalism” and declare that we are “racist” if we suggest we need to build a security fence and control the boarders. With terrorists walking across, it’s clear we NEED to control our boarders and stop the flow of illegals.

I might also say that AFTER we secure the boarder, I advocate that we institute a system to allow many more LEGAL TEMP workers to come in, pay taxes, make full minimum or better wage, and then return or be sent back at the end of their work visa. We should have finger prints and facial shots, job location, background and immigration checks on all we allow in so we can track them down if need be and reject them if they are a problem.

I’m 100% for controling the boarders and 100% for allowing temporary workers in. But it’s past time…..we need to build the security fences and control our boarders, our enemies know they can walk in and they are doing it.

Posted by: Stephen at June 9, 2007 12:51 PM
Comment #222704

“There should not be one immigration system for the rich, and another for the poor. If we are interested in policing our borders properly, and keeping track of those who enter, one price will be the lowering of fees for legal immigration, and the use of tax dollars to better handle this situation”

i didn’t know that we were charging wealthy folks less to enter the country than poor folks. policing the borders is important, but if those that employ illegals are harshly punished and the ability to find work that way dries up, they will not come. they come because they know they can find work. as far as the cost goes the expense should be borne by those immigrating not the american tax payer. they should also have to sign an agreement stating that the financial burden for any children they bear while in this country, will also be borne by them. by eliminating the things the entice them to come here in the first place, they will be forced to enter legally if they choose to work.

Posted by: dbs at June 9, 2007 1:00 PM
Comment #222705

Stephen Daugherty

whats with the italics ?

Posted by: dbs at June 9, 2007 1:02 PM
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having an amnesty would be a complete disaster. it didn’t work in 86, it won’t work now. more illegals would stream across to try to take part. the process would start all over again, and next time it would be 30 million. drying up the supply of work by punishing employers, and forcing them to hire legal workers, either americans, or legal immigrants is the only way to solve the problem.

Posted by: dbs at June 9, 2007 1:10 PM
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“The latter half is what many of the corporate apologists and supply siders don’t acknowledge. The market is supposed to help their bottom line, in their view.”

as long as there are more people looking for jobs, than there are jobs, this will be the case. our country has been flooded with uneducated lowskilled workers who have displaced americans, and legal immigrants, and both parties have allowed this to go on. they both have a vested interest in allowing it to continue. it needs to be stopped, and we don’t need any new laws. we need to enforce the ones already on the books.

Posted by: dbs at June 9, 2007 1:23 PM
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I just saw a crew of 12 men repaving a residential driveway, and another crew of 6 men doing landscaping. I wonder what wage they are being paid.

Yesterday, there was a crew of 2 men working on a job to replace all the ceiling tiles in a 4 story, block long building where I work. In a 6 story, 240 apartment senior residence, 2 men have been replacing all the cabinets and sinks in all the kitchens and bathrooms in all the apartments. I bet they get paid more.

If you have the money to invest in a business or franchise, or attend flight school, you will still be allowed into the country, but we are only worried about the guys that mow the lawns.

Posted by: ohrealy at June 9, 2007 1:58 PM
Comment #222712

The italics were a formatting mistake, an unclosed tag. The problem is now fixed. Not that I have any problems with Italics. They make great pasta.


My thought on what to do with illegal immigrants is this: Make it cheaper to enter the country legally than to be caught sneaking in illegally. Enforce immigration law strictly, especially on employers. Deport those who break the law immediately, and give them a waiting period during which they cannot apply for a green card.

In short, tilt the system in favor of those who want to come in legally. Make it easier to be a documented resident alien than an undocumented.

Our country has two of the longest borders in the world, and two of the most well-travelled ones as well. It’s not multiculturalism that makes this a problem, it’s business. The security fence is not a problem because its racist, it’s a problem because it really won’t help. As long as there’s a demand for workers, they’ll find a way through. As for temp workers? It’s like my article’s quote says: They tried that in Europe, and now look what happened.

Posted by: Stephen Daugherty at June 9, 2007 2:08 PM
Comment #222714


“If you have the money to invest in a business or franchise, or attend flight school, you will still be allowed into the country, but we are only worried about the guys that mow the lawns.”

not worried about any of them so long as they have entered legally and thier backgrounds have been thoroughly checked. the flight school issue is obvious to everyone now i’m pretty sure. the guy mowing the lawn if here illegally is displacing american, and legal immigrant workers, and his wife and offspring are drains on our social services, healthcare, and school systems. living in socal. i know this all to well. in the last ten or so years i’ve seen the local public schools go from majority english speakers to mostly english learners. these kids cost the state about 12k a year to educate, and you can bet thier parents aren’t paying anywhere near the tax $ to cover this cost. the ratio of those using services to those paying services is way out of whack, and it’s only getting worse. as this trend continues it’s only a matter of time before the whole deal collapses.

Posted by: dbs at June 9, 2007 2:31 PM
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I just received this today, and obviously it is only one state that is being affected by the tide of illegals.
I know I don’t fit the “party profile” on this issue, and don’t know if it is all the years living in California & watching the take-over of so many things that has hardened me. But this encroachment has got to stop!

Date: 06/09/07 05:11:36

Subject: aliens

Send this to your congress, senate etc.
This should open our eyes… or nothing will!

1. 40% of all workers in L.A. County ( L.A. County has 10.2 million people) are working for cash and not paying taxes. This is because they are predominantly illegal immigrants working without a green card.
2. 95% of warrants for murder in Los Angeles are for illegal aliens.
3. 75% of people on the most wanted list in Los Angeles are illegal aliens
4. Over 2/3 of all births in Los Angeles County are to illegal alien Mexicans on Medi-Cal , whose births were paid for by taxpayers.
5. Nearly 25% of all inmates in California detention centers are Mexican nationals here illegally.
6. Over 300,000 illegal aliens in Los Angeles County are living in garages.
7. The FBI reports half of all gang members in Los Angeles are most likely illegal aliens from south of the border.
8. Nearly 60% of all occupants of HUD properties are illegal.
9. 21 radio stations in L.A. are Spanish speaking.
10. In L.A. County 5.1 million people speak English, 3.9 million speak Spanish. (There are 10.2 million people in L.A. County ).
(All of the above are from the Los Angeles Times)
Less than 2% of illegal aliens are picking our crops, but 29% are on welfare.
Over 70% of the United States ’ annual population growth (and over 90% of California , Florida , and New York )
results from immigration.
29% of inmates in federal prisons are illegal aliens.
We are a bunch of fools for letting this continue.
Send copies of this letter to at least two other people … 100 would be even better.

Posted by: Sandra Davidson at June 9, 2007 2:38 PM
Comment #222717


“I know I don’t fit the “party profile” on this issue, and don’t know if it is all the years living in California & watching the take-over of so many things that has hardened me. But this encroachment has got to stop!”

AMEN TO THAT !! BTW i wouldn’t worry to much about party profiles. i think thats one of the biggest problems we have. to many people worry about fitting in to a paticular mold, when they should stand behind thier beliefs regaurdless of what party preaches them. i break from the republican party on a few issues, and i’m not afraid to let my fellow reps. know it. there are plenty of losers on both sides of the aisle.

Posted by: dbs at June 9, 2007 2:51 PM
Comment #222718

Cheap labor creates demand for cheap labor. Some of this labor we really do not need. We have lots of guys doing landscaping, paving cleaning etc. If labor was not so cheap, we might mow the lawn less often and not blow the leaves around. That would be a good thing. We need to consider things that do not need to be done at all.

Those guys blowing leaves down the road are being paid too much, no matter how much they are getting.

I agree with Woody re H visas.

We have to make a fundamental distinction between creating and consuming wealth. The leaf blower is consuming wealth. He creates nothing others can use. A skilled worker creates wealth.

All human wealth is created by humans. A lump of gold or a pool of oil is w/o value outside a specific human cultural context. There is not a wealth pie that must be divided among citizens. We are constantly baking new pies and we need the skilled people to do it. We should allow in immigrants who can increase our wealth as a nation and exclude those who will just consume it. I do not underestimate the challenge of determining which are which, but that should certainly be the guiding principle.

Posted by: Jack at June 9, 2007 2:53 PM
Comment #222719

Yes dbs, I believe that and agree with you on that, too. I am also NOT a tree….but that is a whole ‘nother thread, or 100.

Posted by: Sandra Davidson at June 9, 2007 2:58 PM
Comment #222728


“We have to make a fundamental distinction between creating and consuming wealth. The leaf blower is consuming wealth. He creates nothing others can use. A skilled worker creates wealth.”

just curious, then does the guy cutting your lawn, or cleaning your pool just consume wealth ? after all providing a service that others need is still is still creating something, that something is the service itself. granted it doesn’t creat a tageble good such as a rake or a hoe, but is there really a difference ?

Posted by: dbs at June 9, 2007 8:39 PM
Comment #222730
I hear an awful lot from those who complain that you can’t find Americans to fill certain jobs. The B.S. part of that is that they could fill those jobs, if they were paying the prices the market set for those workers!

Stephen, you refer to this “market set” price as the “real wages” that we should be paying. But the ideal behind the “market” prices is efficiency. And it is inefficient to restrict the labor supply for the exact reason that higher wages shall result.

Posted by: Zeek at June 9, 2007 9:34 PM
Comment #222735

Stephen Daugherty-

Remember the Cuban Flotilla’s?

Our Country has survived for many years with all

Laws, Rules, an Regulations needed for the

controlling an enforcement of our boarders with

the ability for allowing regulated immigration.

The big question would be “Why has the Government

not been enforcing the laws on the books that

we now have?” I personally believe this is just

one more step the Gov. is taking with many more

to come. They may just be slipping the votes in

one or two at a time there by passing the total

NAFTA an GAT Treaty with out each State having

the citizens doing the voting. The end results

will then make the United States an Un-Sovereign

Nation! Why else have we seen so many secret

an not so secret Bills an Laws made in the past

few years. Far Fetched,?? Maybe not

Just some food for thought.

Posted by: -DAVID- at June 9, 2007 11:21 PM
Comment #222736

By the way, how many of you heard about the ten
lane highway with a rail service trying to get
approval, [from Mexico to Canada.

Posted by: -DAVID- at June 9, 2007 11:27 PM
Comment #222740


I really hate the leaf blowers. They provide no useful service. Mowing lawns is also problematic. It would be better to mow lawns less often or in some cases not at all. If the price of these services were higher, people might choose NOT to have them done at all, or maybe allow more natural lawns.

I understand the difficulty in separating wealth creation from wealth consumption. Most of it is value judgment. Leaf blowing just does not qualify in my book. It just makes noise and pollution.

I think one way to make the distinction between wealth creation and useful consumption is to see how much people are willing to pay for it. My problem with low wage workers is that it allows more of these silly things. In my neighborhood, people can afford to hire low cost immigrants to do yard work. I do not think they could (or would) hire higher priced Americans. It would be better w/o those low cost workers.

Posted by: Jack at June 9, 2007 11:47 PM
Comment #222747

Jack, I’ll give up my leaf-blower when you pry it from my cold, dead fingers. I find it to be a terrific time (and back) saving tool.

I don’t know where you live, but where I’m at maintaining and mowing a lawn, as well as keeping down weeds and not allowing a six-inch layer of rotting leaves in the back yard and on the deck is the alternative to living in the middle of a mosquito-infested jungle.

Posted by: Loyal Opposition at June 10, 2007 12:31 AM
Comment #222753

The market is not centered on efficiencies, but interests and desires. Efficiencies can help folks attain their goals, gain their wealth, or it can get in the way of it.

From one point of view, work for free is the greatest of all efficiencies. From another’s point of view, and in terms of another person’s interests, that’s a choice they almost always would find objectionable. For a worker, the higher the wages, the better.

The market is what we call the process that emerges from one person’s interests interacting with another. It’s not always adversarial, but at the same time, the general process is one of externalizing costs and risks. In short, you’re trying to dump as much of the problems in getting what you want when you want it onto somebody else.

Our friends in the corporate world have enjoyed a good long period of being able to dump things on us, but in a complex system like ours, this is having consequences. You can’t keep up morale, consumer spending, and a basic, functioning western economy forever under these conditions.

Let’s restrict the labor supply. Maybe then, businesses will find it a scarce enough resource at low wages that they have to pay more. It won’t be in their interests, but since when do their interests constitute the entirety of the market?

Posted by: Stephen Daugherty at June 10, 2007 9:54 AM
Comment #222755

Love it!

During the last great immigration,Irish,German,Italian etc. most filled lower skilled jobs. Those filling these jobs constituted a disinfranchised underclass.This led to the era of “robber barons”,”…malafactors of great wealth.”There was little political impetus to improve the working conditions or pay rates for more labor intensive pursuits. We have a similar condition now. This is dangerious for a democracy and a good reason to oppose a guest worker program as it was proposed although consideration should be given for agricultural workers to fill a genuine need. Ironically,tightening the bordor has led to more undocument workers staying and entering other jobs. For many years migrant Mexicans would come north to work the crops in Ca. and return home after the season. Now the journey is much more difficult so they stay here.

Posted by: BillS at June 10, 2007 10:45 AM
Comment #222756


having had a lawn and landscape business at one time, i understand your feeling towards leaf blowers. they are a very useful and time saving tool for rounding up of leaves and debris, but are often used when not nessesary. i think this is the biggest problem. i would have happily used an electric model if one suitable for commercial use that didn’t weigh 1000 lbs was available. ultimatly i was run out of business by cheap illegal labor, and those who didn’t play by rules, ie no contractors license, no workers comp insurance, and so on. needless to say under bidding me was pretty easy.

Posted by: dbs at June 10, 2007 12:44 PM
Comment #222757


“Ironically,tightening the bordor has led to more undocument workers staying and entering other jobs. For many years migrant Mexicans would come north to work the crops in Ca. and return home after the season. Now the journey is much more difficult so they stay here.”

i agree, but i still think the biggest problem is the lack of prosecutions against employers. if we go after the source of attraction and make the price for hiring illegal workers to costly, i think this would eliminate a lot of those crossing illegally. if they cant find jobs they won’t come. those who wait thier turn and enter legally could then come and go as they pleased, and would not stay to be a drain on the tax payers.

Posted by: dbs at June 10, 2007 12:54 PM
Comment #222759

I guess Illinois or Chicagoland is really a different country from Calleyforneya. The only coyotes in the news here are the four-legged varmints.

The federal government should be held entirely responsible for all the costs mentioned above for people that they have allowed into the country illegally, but I bet the only people anyone is worried about paying to educate, hospitalize and imprision are from south of the border. Those are in fact the only people that anyone would want questioned about whether or not they are in the country illegally, not someone from Ireland, Poland or Canada.

Posted by: ohrealy at June 10, 2007 2:30 PM
Comment #222760


“Those are in fact the only people that anyone would want questioned about whether or not they are in the country illegally, not someone from Ireland, Poland or Canada.”

i don’t think there are to many canadiens sneaking into this country illegaly. as for the other two, if you sound as though you aren’t from this country your’e probably going to be checked out. the fact is though, this country is not being over run with irish, and polish illegal immigrants, so it’s a non issue.

Posted by: dbs at June 10, 2007 2:52 PM
Comment #222762

I don’t know. Where I come from, you can keep a good mowed lawn and still need a transfusion when you step out the door.

Posted by: Stephen Daugherty at June 10, 2007 3:29 PM
Comment #222764


Poland had one of the world’s highest visa refusal rates. Polish illegal immigrants received no privleges. Don’t try that racists crap. It is numbers and skill levels that determines concerns. When there were large numbers of low skilled Irish and Poles, there was plenty of concern.


Maybe you are mainataining too big a lawn. I am not saying that a man can maintain a five acre lawn w/o help or tools. I am questioning why a man needs a five acre lawn, unless you are raising lifestock, in which case they do the clipping.


The robber barons got a bad rap. Those immigrants were flooding to the U.S. because of the opportunities these guys helped to create.


I just see those guys blowing leaves from sidewalks into gutters. They blow right back. I can understand when they are blowing lots of leaves and taking them somewhere else. Too often, however, they are just blowing.

My megapoint re the landscaping and cheap labor, however, was that it creates its own demand.

Posted by: Jack at June 10, 2007 4:14 PM
Comment #222768

Stephen, I know that business do not always work in the interest of consumers. Particularly when you have limited competition in a certain market.

However, in competitive situations, most of the lower costs that companies have are transferred to consumers. And in today’s world, when companies fail to manage those lower costs they usually get undercut by foreign competition. So, their alternative is to go overseas (outsourcing), which in my opinion is worse than utilizing cheaper labor in the U.S.

Posted by: Zeek at June 10, 2007 4:42 PM
Comment #222778

Many of the jobs that illegal immigrants take up aren’t really all that outsourceable. You can’t landscape a house here from Bangalore, or serve hamburgers here made by workers in Vietnam.

As for the competitiveness of outsourcing itself? That’s debateable. Language barriers, time shifts, style of education, among other things, can nullify profits, or even raise costs. It doesn’t necessarily make business better and more efficient at doing business. A lot of things intended to pump up the numbers by simple arithmetic means in fact have a counterproductive effect to the business itself.

The problem is that business is not simply a matter of abstract number shuffling. The real world intrudes into the arithmetic, and short term strategies meant to allow Companies to meet the arbitrary goals of investors concerning numbers end up creating real world problems that reduce the quality of the business, and feedback into the arithmetic. It’s like the old Zen Archery axiom: you can’t hit the target by aiming at it.

Posted by: Stephen Daugherty at June 10, 2007 7:03 PM
Comment #222781


And here I thought it was the potato famine and persecution that brought the immigrants. Silly me.I should have known they despratly wanted to be here so they could get screwed over by the like of Frick,Morgan and Carnigie.
JP Morgan told Frick that they were both going to Hell for what they had done. Carnegie spent most of his fortune trying to buy back his soul.Them and their like did not create squat. Their workers did. They just figured out how to steal most of it.They constrained trade.They destroyed competition by any means necessary,including violence. If they did any good it was forceing the adoption of regulations like anti-trust laws,prohibitions against insider tradeing etc. Nowdays they would face prison.
My point was that there is a real danger to society having a disenfranchised underclass holding the lowest level jobs. We are already suffering the effects with basically stagnant wages.The way to change this is the same as before. Unionization.The same as your heros fought against so brutally. Immigrants learn quick,a fact bemoaned by Frick.Thats one way to get rid of those darned leaf blowers.Start paying those guys $20 an hour.

Posted by: BillS at June 10, 2007 8:52 PM
Comment #222782


Good Post!


Posted by: -DAVID- at June 10, 2007 9:33 PM
Comment #222789

Stephen D., an excellent article. One missing aspect however, is that government CANNOT stop yielding to business in legislation as long as business lobbyists and campaign donors are integral to the legislative process. As long as politicians remain the puppets of wealthy interests, the politicians cannot be free to act in the interests of the public and future good of America, the nation.

All reforms in government are a charade if campaign finance reform isn’t the first and foremost reform, which cuts the strings between politicians and wealthy special interests.

Posted by: David R. Remer at June 11, 2007 12:44 AM
Comment #222790

David R. Remer-

Your statement is absolute. The next question is,

How do you rid the this scourge, PDQ from Washington

and the rest of the Country?

Posted by: -DAVID- at June 11, 2007 1:48 AM
Comment #222796

“Many of the jobs that illegal immigrants take up aren’t really all that outsourceable. You can’t landscape a house here from Bangalore, or serve hamburgers here made by workers in Vietnam.”

In both those cases, higher worker costs are almost certainly going to be transfered to the consumer.

As for the competitiveness of outsourcing, that was not really my largest point. It is merely one way companies have been dealing with the higher costs of American workers.

Posted by: Zeek at June 11, 2007 11:16 AM
Comment #222800

DAVID, by growing the anti-incumbent movement and growing the donations to organizations like VOID.

As VOID says in their upcoming newsletter:

All reforms in government are a charade of false campaign promises if campaign finance reform isn’t the first and foremost reform, cutting the strings between politicians and wealthy special interests. But asking politicians to voluntarily bite the hands that feed their reelection campaigns is like asking an alcoholic to stop drinking. It just won’t happen unless a greater force and motivation is leveraged against the politicians than that of the wealthy special interest lobbyists and donors.

The only force and motivation potentially great enough to override a politician’s dependency upon special interest money, is the voters themselves, in an overwhelming anti-incumbent movement that unseats politicians election after election, until the politicians see the wisdom of true and effective campaign finance reform that removes influence money as the foundation for reelection.

The anti-incumbent sentiment was reborn after the 2004 elections, and caused the Republicans to lose control of Congress in 2006. All signs indicate the anti-incumbent sentiment is still growing, as polls continue to show public opinion of Congress at, or below, that of the current White House administration: below 33%. There is a lot of room for hope in that.

But, hope that does not act, changes nothing. We must grow the numbers of voters willing to vote out incumbents in 2008, 2010, and 2012. A critical mass must be reached at the polls that results in an unprecedented number of incumbents being unseated, with no other apparent reason to the analysts, than the American people have had enough and demand an end to the legal bribery and blackmail of politicians by our current campaign finance system of privileged influence.

If incumbents become an endangered breed over the next few election cycles, the freshman politicians who replace the incumbents will NOT choose to repeat the actions which got incumbents booted out of office. That is the wisdom, the power, and the hope of the Vote Out Incumbents Democracy (VOID) movement. This can only happen if we who see the wisdom and truth of this, spread this word and understanding to our fellow voters, and keep the anti-incumbent movement growing election after election.

We must ask Democrats to vote for Democratic challengers instead of incumbents. We must ask Republicans to vote for Republican challengers instead of incumbents. We must ask third party and independent voters to vote for challengers instead of incumbents. No one needs to cross party lines to achieve far more responsible and effective government. It will only take true campaign finance reform motivated by an overwhelming anti-incumbent movement.

Posted by: David R. Remer at June 11, 2007 11:55 AM
Comment #222801

I would like to see discussion on the impacts of just upholding the current laws we have on the books.

It seems if we keep business and border security in check, most of the problems we have will go south.

Posted by: Cliff at June 11, 2007 11:56 AM
Comment #222807

We do not need a “new” bill to deal with illegal immigration. Just enforce the existing law, from 1986, and that would improve the situation dramatically.

Posted by: rahdigly at June 11, 2007 1:55 PM
Comment #222811

David R. Remer- I appreciate your comments an time

spent on this article. Like you say, this may be

the only way to make the changes needed for election


Posted by: -DAVID- at June 11, 2007 2:37 PM
Comment #222818

I never would have thought there’d be a day I’d actually agree with you - but that day has come.

I do not like the idea of rewarding someone for breaking our laws. I know logically deporting 12 million people is a major problem, but I do not like the idea of creating a road for them to become a citizen simply because they broke the law and are already here.

Sandra Davidson,
Do you know for certain that the information you listed about California true or is it simply an e-mail you received?
If it is true, I would like to send it out, but I would like to see verification first.

Posted by: Linda H. at June 11, 2007 4:43 PM
Comment #222832

Linda H

” I know logically deporting 12 million people is a major problem,”

impose severe fines and jail time on employers. deport those as you come into contact with. let attrition do the work.

Posted by: dbs at June 11, 2007 5:54 PM
Comment #222839

dbs said: “deport those as you come into contact with. let attrition do the work.”

Shhhh…. you are letting dark secret out of the bag, dbs. Do you want to be called a traitor or treasonous for revealing such closely held DNC secrets? Of course attrition as contact is made would be an economical and feasible method of removing illegal immigrants over time, but, we aren’t supposed talk about that, which is why the Media DOES NOT!

Damn, man, didn’t you get the self-destructing DNC email on this? I will simply have to stop talking with you if you intend to imperil folks like me with the transfer of political secrets like this making those who talk to you guilty by association. I like my illusion of freedom, and you are a threat to it.

Good Bye! :-)

Posted by: David R. Remer at June 11, 2007 6:36 PM
Comment #222847

Making migration more difficult from south of the border has made people more desperate and determined to get here, stay here, and have children as soon as possible after coming here.

Canada is more of a problem than people think because of their lax immigration laws. There are so many people from Poland in Chicagoland, the ones that were not allowed in must have been mountain people, or that other European ethnic minority that no one ever talks about, the reason that Slovakia became independant practically against their will.

The whiter the country, the less possible it is to be illegal. I work in one building where all notices are in English, Polish, and Korean, and I used to work in another building where everything was in English, Polish, Korean, and Russian.

The teenagers where I live mostly attend Maine East High School, where over 50 languages are spoken. I believe it is considered to be a very good school. Hillary attended there one year until Maine South was built.

Leaf blowers are also a pet peeve of mine, but getting the leaves to the curb on the days designated for leaf pickup, is required by the municipality where I live.

Posted by: ohrealy at June 11, 2007 7:23 PM
Comment #222861

People who earn minimum wage don’t just keep the money. They pay for things. An increase in wages can put extra costs on employers, but when the money given to the employees feeds back, it can help reduce those costs if people have more earnings to spend.

Income can affect credit scores, can affect ability to pay bills and other things. One possible effect of a rise in wages could end up being more regular payments, less defaults on loans and so on and so forth.

The suppression of wages can create an inefficiency in the system as inflation overtakes the buying power of the wage-earner. An economy where the typical persons wages are buying less is an economy growing much slower in its lower segements than it should be, and probably developing some kind of bubble in the upper segments as investors create the conditions of reduced real growth, even as their stocks and bonds go up.

Posted by: Stephen Daugherty at June 11, 2007 8:43 PM
Comment #222866

In Search of a Better Life?

While legal immigrants and illegal aliens come to America for an improved standard of living, those millions of foreigners are decidedly harming the quality of life for many in this nation — from those who have been displaced in their jobs by cheap immigrant workers to taxpayers paying for endless infrastructure and services, students getting a worse education in radically “diverse” classrooms and crime victims who have suffered at the hands of criminal aliens in this country. (Please see a victims of criminal aliens flyer using the many examples found here.)

This website is dedicated to telling the stories of forgotten citizens who still hope that their American dream will not be extinguished. We continue to hope for a better America for the next generation, too, although that tradition is just as endangered by irresponsible mass immigration as our natural resources and the individual freedoms that have been our birthright up to now.

ImmigrationsHumanCost recommends increased border control and workplace enforcement with real penalties. The explosion of the underground illegal alien economy is becoming anarchy, threatening dire results for the tax base, fewer available jobs for citizens and the rule of law itself.

Government at all levels must make the prosecution and deportation of law-breaking illegal aliens a top priority. That includes drunk driving, as well as theft, rape and murder. All foreign prisoners eligible for deportation must be shipped home at the end of their sentences, not released onto American streets to commit further crimes on innocent citizens. The common excuse that these dangerous criminals “fell through the cracks” is not acceptable when our fellow citizens are being killed, raped and otherwise harmed by these invaders.

Furthermore, local governments must end their criminal-protecting sanctuary directives. Such public policy insanity is directly responsible for terrible crimes to innocents as well as making the jobs of police far more difficult. Many cities are experiencing an explosion of drug trafficking, worsened by the inability of police officers to question a suspicious person’s status.

In addition, there must be an increased emphasis on proven strategies of Third World development, including microloans and availability of voluntary family planning. On a planet of six billion, the United States simply cannot rescue all of the huddled masses by dispensing a relative few million green cards. The U.S. must insist on responsible development in Third World nations and an end to the unhealthy dependence on the easy money of remittances provided by immigrants. The Mexican National Population Council estimates that more than one out of 10 families depend on remittances as their main source of income. The billions of dollars sent by immigrants severely lessen the pressure on the Mexican government to invest in expensive infrastructure and education.


Diversity Is Strength! It’s Also… Drunk Driving
The influx of Mexican immigrants, most of them illegal, has made our highways far more dangerous because of culturally acceptable drunk driving among Latin Americans.

Beyond Willie Sutton: Crime and Lack of Punishment
As the planet’s richest target, America attracts a diverse group of criminals from around the world, here to participate in the Super Bowl of crime. But domestic law enforcement has not responded to the level of the threat, such as in the cities where criminal-protecting sanctuary policies are in use.

Diversity’s Deceptions — Washington Times, 9/5/02,
This op-ed examines the ideas behind the diversity cult and demonstrates in real-life examples how wrong-headed it is.

Tax Remittances
Published in December 2002, this article suggests that immigrant remittances be taxed at the point of money transfer and the money be used to help struggling border hospitals that are overwhelmed with the cost of treating illegal aliens.

Lady Liberty Not a Welcome Mat
The Emma Lazarus poem should be removed from any proximity to the Statue of Liberty, since it is the source of so much wrong thinking about the statue’s history and meaning.

Mexico’s Rich Don’t Like To Pay Taxes - They Think You Should
Don’t believe the Mexican hype about how poor they are: Mexico Is Rich and has more than enough resources to build its infrastructure and educate its people. But the Mexican elite find it so much easier to export poverty to the U.S. and make the American taxpayer foot the bill.

Microloans offer alternative to mass immigration
With our little planet’s population doubling since 1960 from 3 to 6 billion, rescue via immigration to America cannot begin to address the needs of worldwide poverty. A better strategy exists, namely microlending, and has been adjusted into effectiveness over several decades in some of the poorest nations.

Susan B. Anthony Considered… Reflections on multicultural immigration’s threat to women
Multiculturalism — the ideology that all cultures are equally worthy — shows its delusional nature with the most basic consideration of women’s condition in most non-western societies. Yet America continues to welcome thousands annually from some of the world’s most misogynist cultures with no demand that they assimilate.

If you have an immigration story to tell — job displacement, classrooms turned to Babel-ized sensitivity warehouses, balkanized community, women harassed by misogynous immigrant males, increased crime and drugs, small businesses endangered by illegal workers or enterprises — please contact ImmigrationsHumanCost and tell us your experience.

See our companion website,

New Postings of Victims and Criminals…

Adrienne Shelly
If there is another case of someone being murdered because of possibly reporting an illegal alien to the authorities, I don’t know of it. That fact makes this crime uniquely shocking, as well as how a 40-year-old actress, Adrienne Shelly, was killed in a situation disguised to look like suicide. But what was really being hidden was the immigration status of the killer.

“I was having a bad day,” illegal immigrant Diego Pillco, 19, allegedly told cops. “I didn’t mean to kill her. But I did kill her.”
Pillco told detectives that he punched Shelly, 40, last Wednesday afternoon outside the Abingdon Square apartment she was using as an office after she yelled at him about the noise he was making while working in a vacant apartment below. […]
After seeing she was unconscious and believing she was dead, Pillco claimed, he dragged Shelly into her apartment, wrapped a bed sheet around her neck and attached it to a shower rod in the bathroom to make it appear she had hanged herself, sources said.
[Star’s Suicide Was Killer Cover-Up, New York Post, 10/7/06]

Shelly was discovered hanged in the shower of her Greenwich Village apartment/office on Nov. 1 by her husband Andy Ostroy. Police originally thought she might have been a suicide, but the family objected that her life was going too well for that, plus a sneaker print in the bathtub was from a stranger.
Adrienne Shelly had everything to live for. She had become more interested in writing and directing, and was looking forward to the release of her film “Waitress.” She had a 3-year-old daughter, Sophie.
But her life meant nothing to an illegal alien who would do anything to protect himself.

Diego Pillco, a 19-year-old illegal immigrant who had been renovating the apartment below Shelly’s office, told cops in a chilling confession that he was afraid of getting arrested and deported, sources said. [Killer staged her ‘suicide’, New York Daily News, 10/6/06]

To be clear, the medical examiner said that Shelly died from “compression to the neck” meaning she was alive when Diego Pillco hanged her to prevent her reporting him to immigration agents.

• • •

Rodney Johnson
It has never been easy to be a cop, but the presence today of millions of illegal aliens makes the job enormously more difficult and dangerous. That hazard is multiplied for police who work in a sanctuary city or state (see map), where they are prevented from asking about immigration status, knowledge which should be part of every officer’s toolbox. In such places, the criminal is given an edge and law enforcement suffers.
We don’t know whether Houston’s sanctuary policy had a direct connection with the murder of Officer Rodney Johnson on Sept. 21, for example by making the city a more attractive place for the accused killer, illegal alien Juan Leonardo Quintero, to settle. We do know that the accused was previously deported in 1999 for sexual indecency with a child, so he may have wanted all the advantage he could get.
Officer Johnson had stopped Quintero for speeding, found he didn’t have a license, then cuffed him and put him in the back of the squad car. Quintero somehow was able to draw a weapon which Johnson had missed, and then shot and killed the officer as he sat in the driver’s seat. Quintero was quickly caught and was arraigned a day following the crime.
Rodney Johnson truly was one of Houston’s Finest and had been recognized more than once for his heroic actions in the line of duty.
More details.

• • •

Ryan Ostendorf
Everyone who knew paramedic Ryan Ostendorf agreed that he had a tremendously promising life ahead, as a cardiologist and married to his long-time girlfriend, Meagan Kennedy. But that future is not to be, because a previously deported drunk-driving illegal alien crashed head-on into Ryan’s Jeep Cherokee and killed him.
A resident of Lawrence, Kansas, 28-year-old Ryan was driving to his paramedic job in Topeka when his car was hit. When the ambulance arrived on the scene, the paramedics were shocked to find the body of their friend and co-worker.
Victor Anzua-Torres was sentenced in Topeka in late June to a measly 13 years and nine months in jail for the head-on crash, which was the maximum sentence he could have received.

Anzua-Torres had a blood-alcohol level of 0.26 percent, more than three times the legal limit of 0.08, authorities said. He had no driver¹s license, had a prior drunken-driving arrest and had been deported as an illegal immigrant once before. [Drunken driver gets 13 years for fatal wreck, Lawrence Journal-World, 6/30/06]

Prosecutor Karen Wittman noted that Anzua-Torres insisted on driving to show how “bad” he was even though he was very drunk and a friend offered to drive. (Driving while drunk is believed by many hispanics to show macho attributes — a reason why they are hugely overrepresented in drunk driving crashes.)
At sentencing, Ryan’s friends and family spent two hours explaining how his death left a hole in their lives that would never go away.

• • •

Natalie Housand
Another reminder that illegal immigration is not a victimless crime was the death of 20-year-old Natalie Housand. A resident of Tabor City, North Carolina, Natalie worked as a nursing assistant as she pursued her RN degree.
She was killed Dec. 19, 2004, by Jose Jesus Garcia Lopez, when an SUV driven by him struck her car as he swerved into her lane. Lopez, an illegal alien, testified at trial that he was too drunk to remember the head-on collision that killed Natalie Housand. A witness said that Lopez’ vehicle was traveling at 100 mph and that the SUV’s brake lights never went on.
Lopez was convicted May 26 of involuntary manslaughter plus assault with a deadly weapon, and will serve a maximum of 81 months in prison.
Natalie’s family and friends put together a remembrance website to celebrate her all-too-brief life, filled with photos and loving tributes.

• • •

Sean and Donna Wilson
Add Donna and Sean Wilson of Mt. Juliet, Tennessee, to the terrible list of innocent Americans killed by illegals aliens with numerous prior arrests. The Wilsons’ shocking deaths from a frontal collision in a June 8 DUI accident were entirely preventable, and would never have happened if the government were doing its primary job of keeping out invaders.
Just when you think the immigration bureaucracy can’t get any more inept, you read something like this headline: Man not deported after 14 arrests (The Tennessean, 6/16/06).

Federal and local authorities are trying to figure out how an illegal immigrant from Mexico managed to avoid deportation despite being arrested more than a dozen times in the past five years, agency officials said Thursday.
Gustavo Reyes Garcia, 28, has accumulated dozens of criminal charges and been arrested 14 times in Nashville without being flagged by federal authorities for being in the country illegally.

Heather Wilson Steffek On June 26, the Wilsons’ daughter Heather Steffek appeared in a press conference with gubernatorial candidate Jim Bryson, expressing her shock that such a dangerous serial criminal could be allowed to remain in the United States. Many Americans have been similarly appalled to learn that the government takes so little care about their loved ones’ safety.

“Part of the shock of the tragedy is learning there is simply no laws in place at the local or state level to aide deportation of a serial criminal who is an illegal alien,” Steffek said. “I’m asking the governor to please support legislation that would remove criminal illegal immigrants from our midst.”

The accused killer had five previous DUIs, and was a tragedy waiting to happen. As various studies have shown, hispanics drive drunk at substantially higher rates than Americans.

• • •

Jordin Paulder
It is hard to fathom how anyone could bury an axe in the head of an innocent nine-year-old boy, but that was the unimaginable fate of Jordin Paulder of Fulton County, Georgia, on June 5. The killer was “Honduran native” Santos Benigno Cabrera Borjas.

Three children were playing in the parking lot of the Chastain Apartments in Sandy Springs early Monday evening when a red car with a wobbly wheel drove through.
Jordin Paulder, a 9-year-old boy with chubby cheeks, called out to the car’s passengers to tell them of the bad tire.
Jordin didn’t mean to insult anybody, he just thought they should know, witnesses told police.
But the car stopped. A man got out and slammed an ax into Jordin’s face. Emergency workers were afraid to remove the ax during the helicopter flight to Children’s Healthcare of Atlanta at Scottish Rite hospital, where Jordin died. [Boy, 9, hacked to death, 6/7/06, Atlanta Journal-Constitution]

When the police approached the crime scene, Cabrera Borjas fled to a nearby apartment complex. After he broke an officer’s arm by throwing a tire iron (or maybe a “rimmed tire” — accounts differ) and made threats with an iron pipe, the officer shot and killed him.
Since the accused killer is dead, there will be no trial to remind the public that illegal immigration is not a victimless crime — assuming Santos Cabrera Borjas was indeed an illegal entrant, which was apparently the case. The authorities may not pursue that detail, wishing to forget the whole sordid thing.
More details here.

• • •

Francisco Serrano
Update: In January 2005, there was an incident in which 21-year-old illegal alien Francisco Serrano lived in a Minnesota high school for several weeks and posed as a student until he was discovered. At that time, locals rallied to his defense. High school kids made up “Free Francisco” t-shirts and evidently no parents were concerned that a lawbreaking adult male was rubbing elbows with their teenaged daughters.
A typical sentiment at the time was expressed in an editorial from the Pioneer Press, Story points to rising homelessness.

Serrano’s legal problems detract from the focal point of this story, which is homelessness. We don’t know if a fear of discovery as an illegal immigrant kept Serrano from seeking social services.

In October 2005, an immigration judge ordered Serrano back to Mexico. But the lawbreaker never boarded the plane and he later turned up as a violent felon in Boston.

A Boston woman said Serrano kicked in her apartment door and threatened to attack her early in the morning on March 29.
“He said, ‘I’m not here to steal, I’m here to kill,’” the woman said, requesting anonymity.

Serrano’s Minnesota attorney remarked, “I never figured Serrano for a ski mask and a butcher knife. He just didn’t seem to have any violence in him.”
This link includes a news video, which has a clip of Serrano in a pink sweater! (Here is a still photo.) An example of a lawyer playing extreme dress-up with a criminal client? Even the notorious parent-murdering Menendez brothers didn’t go beyond muted pastels for a collegiate look in their trial makeover.

• • •

Joyce Dargan
Can you imagine a person being struck down and killed as she strolled out to check her roadside mailbox? That’s what happened to Joyce Dargan of Myrtle Beach, South Carolina. She was hit by a car driven by a 14-year-old illegal alien Mexican (a student at the local high school) as he drag raced against another Mexican boy at speeds of 80 miles per hour.
As is so often the case, the perp had prior arrests, having been stopped twice for traffic violations in the six weeks before Joyce Dargan had been killed. As a result, her husband Waldeck observed that laxity about illegal immigration had contributed to his wife’s death.
He vowed to be there when the boys are released from prison in six years to make sure they are deported. As juveniles, they received the maximum sentence.

• • •

Jorge Hernandez
This is Jorge Hernandez, aka Jorge Soto, the illegal alien accused of killing Min Soon Chang, an 18-year-old college freshman, shown just below, in a terrible head-on wreck while Hernandez was driving drunk. Now more facts are coming out about this man, such as the fact that he had been arrested three previous times for drunk driving in three other states. One report says he was sent back to Mexico 17 times!
This is just the sort of case that Rep. Sue Myrick hopes to prevent with her proposed legislation that would require immediate deportation for any drunk-driving illegal alien. She called the tragedy a wake-up call and said, “It’s so senseless, it’s so senseless. The issue is that you’re legal, or you’re illegal.”
Here is a transcript of Rep. Myrick discussing the issue and her bill with Lou Dobbs.

• • •

Min Soon Chang
Eighteen-year-old Min Soon Chang never had a chance. The UNC Charlotte freshman was struck head-on by a drunk illegal alien driving at an estimated 100 miles per hour on the wrong side of Interstate 485. Min was described as outgoing by family and friends, and was enrolled as a pre-business student.
The illegal alien identified himself as Jorge Hernandez, 35, and said he didn’t have an address. Police said that he had driven 20 miles on the wrong side of the highway, and other drivers described having close calls. One of the first police officers on the accident scene was C.L. Amaral, who described Hernandez as smelling strongly of alcohol and “totally out of it.”
Hernandez has been charged with driving while impaired and involuntary manslaughter.

U.S. Rep. Sue Myrick, R-N.C., is working on legislation that would strengthen penalties against illegal immigrants who are convicted of DWI. She became vocal about the issue when Scott Gardner, a Gaston County teacher, was killed in July by an illegal immigrant who was driving drunk.
On Friday, she commented on “another bright young life lost.”
“I hope that this — as far as our committees are concerned — will make a difference,” Myrick said. “This is just another example of why we need the legislation.” [“Illegal immigrant charged in fatal wreck”]

Update 11/21: Now that Hernandez has sobered up, he has admitted his status: “Driver in crash says he’s illegal”. He describes himself as an agricultural worker who has been here three years.

Trooper Brian Huffstickler of the N.C. Highway Patrol said Hernandez also could face second-degree murder charges if police find out he has prior DWI convictions.
“He has blown all safe driving rules out the window,” Huffstickler said.

• • •

Dallas Police Officer Brian Jackson
Dallas Police Officer Brian Jackson became another open borders statistic on Nov. 13 when he was shot and killed by illegal alien Juan Lizcano
Lizcano had become drunk and went to the home of his ex-girfriend to threaten her. As the police pursued Lizcano after he fled the woman’s home, he shot Officer Jackson, who died later in the hospital.
Officer Jackson was remembered by his fellow police as someone who loved his job and always went the extra mile.

“From Day One, he just enjoyed police work and took pride in it. And he always wanted to learn everything he could. He was very dedicated,” Officer Carcone said. “He went above and beyond.
“He’d stay late. He’d cover anybody. He was always looking to help everybody he could.”

Jackson was 28 and had worked previously as part of an ambulance team. He had gotten married just two months ago.

• • •

Debbie Thomas
Over on the Eastern Shore of Virginia, there have been 13 highway accidents involving hispanic workers since 2002 which have caused 18 fatalities. In addition, 90 people have been injured on area roadways during that time by foreigners, many of whom are illegal aliens working in agriculture. The deaths are about a quarter of the total fatalities during the period, while hispanics comprise about 5 percent of the local population.

In all but three of the fatal accidents in which Hispanics were at the wheel, the drivers had no insurance. In most cases, the vehicles had no inspection stickers, the drivers carried no license and alcohol was a factor.

One of the persons killed was Debbie Thomas, shown here, who was the mother of three. She was killed in a head-on collision on Christmas Eve 2003 when her car was struck by a car being driven in the wrong direction. The offending driver, Narciso Garcia-Jimenez, escaped from his hospital bed and is still at large. The car he drove had no inspection sticker and was registered to another person. When Debbie’s mom learned that her daughter’s killer had not been killed in the wreck but had escaped, she said she felt “angry, bitter and sad, all at once.”

• • •

Sue Myrick and Gardner Family
That’s Rep. Sue Myrick at the podium, announcing her legislation, the upshot of which is “You’re drunk, you’re driving, you’re illegal, you’re deported, period”, a fine idea and a long overdue bill. This website is full of examples of illegal aliens whose drunk driving was overlooked time and again until it finally ended with a tragedy for an innocent American family on our dangerous highways.
Rep. Myrick is flanked by the family of Scott Gardner in the photo, a young man who was killed by an illegal alien with five previous DUI arrests on his record. Scott Gardner of Gastonia North Carolina was just 33, and was a teacher, a church deacon and a baseball coach. His wife Tina was critically injured in the crash, and now has their two small children to raise alone.
Scott’s mother, Emily Moose is still haunted by the loss of her son, of course.

A witness told Emily that Scott spoke one word: “Why?”
A word Emily herself has uttered a million times.
Why was 25-year-old Ramiro Gallegos, an illegal immigrant without a N.C. driver’s license, barreling along Highway 130 toward Whiteville on July 16?
Why, when Gallegos was busted in late 2002 in Duplin County for driving too slowly — and drunk — was he not sent home to Mexico?
And why, when Gallegos was nabbed a third time — with an alcohol level three times the legal limit — was he given only seven days in jail and supervised probation?

Why, indeed.
See also Ed Rubenstein’s analysis of drunk driving by Mexican immigrants.

• • •

Jose Ramirez Jose Ramirez is every American father’s nightmare. The illegal alien from El Salvador beat up a 15-year-old girl after whistling at her. He broke her nose, fractured a bone in her face and produced cuts requring 30 stitches. The man worked in construction in Spotsylvania, Virginia, where the attack occurred, and resisted arrest to the point where police had to taser him.
The 28-year-old Ramirez of Prince William County was charged with aggravated malicious wounding and abduction with the intent to defile. Both charges carry potential life sentences. He is being held with no bond.

Police said he whistled at the girl as she walked by, then became enraged after the girl did not respond. Ramirez is accused of then running after the girl and pummeling her in the face and head, Kocher said.
According to authorities, the attacker then tried to drag the victim, fleeing into some woods only after a co-worker yelled for him to stop.

Apparently Ramirez thought this kind of behavior was not objectionable, since he attacked the girl in front of co-workers during daylight hours: what kind of culture produces such brutality against women and girls?
Furthermore, attacks of this sort will surely increase as the United States becomes more demographically Latinized, given the misogyny of hispanic culture.

• • •

Raul Pena and daughter Suzie Jose Raul Pena is shown here with his daughter Suzie. An illegal alien from El Salvador earlier deported for cocaine possession, he was the doting father who used the little girl as a human shield in an hours-long Los Angeles shootout with police on July 10. Pena and Suzie were both killed.

During the incident, Pena used a 9-millimeter Beretta pistol which had been stolen last year in a burglary in Oregon. His office at the car dealership contained a bag of cocaine and a half-drunk bottle of Tequila — consistent with the illegal Pena’s previous deportation for cocaine possession.
Videotape captured images of Pena shooting at the police while holding his daughter, yet his relatives are questioning not only whether he used his daughter as a shield, but whether he was even armed at all, according to the Los Angeles Times.

The “community” has gone into bad craziness over this horrible tragedy, blaming the police when the perp is clearly the guilty party: Pena chose to shoot it out and certainly snatched up the child as a shield, as pictures show.
The abused girlfriend of Pena, Lorena Lopez, has already gotten a lawyer for a multi-million-dollar lawsuit against the city of Los Angeles.
The new mayor, Antonio Villaraigosa, is more concerned with being a hispanic than providing support for the increasingly beleagured LAPD. The thin blue line is getting stretched thin in Los Angeles. If another city-wide riot blows up, having the National Guard overseas may make the situation even dicier.
And how does it happen that an illegal alien, deported for cocaine, apparently owned a used car lot?

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Esmerelda Nava Esmerelda Nava, aged four, was recently strangled, molested and killed by an illegal alien who had been deported in 2003. The accused killer is Cornelio Rivera Zamites of Vera Cruz, Mexico, who had been residing in Gainsville, Georgia. Esmerelda went with her parents to visit the 24-year-old Zamites. At some point late Saturday night (6/25), the child’s mother realized the girl was missing. A police officer found her body early the next morning in nearby woods. An article of Zamites clothing was close by and he was gone.
Zamites had been deported for driving under the influence, as well as having no license or insurance. At least his illegal status was duly noted.

“If you don’t do anything about the borders, it’s kind of like an all-expense paid trip home to see loved ones before they come back,” Hall County Sheriff Steve Cronic said.

Cornelio Rivera Zamites Many of the criminals listed here were on the screen of law enforcement and should have been deported but were not. Cornelio Rivera Zamites, the accused killer of little Esmeralda, above, actually was deported, but managed to re-enter. One story described the man as a day laborer who worked as a roofer:

On Monday, officials said they suspect the man, an undocumented day laborer, may be trying to return to Mexico.
“The indication is that he’s a bad person in general,” Sheriff Steve Cronic said, referring to unconfirmed reports that the suspect had legal issues in Mexico.
All states between Georgia and Mexico have been put on alert for the suspect, who has no known family in the United States or no regular place of employment. He is also known as “Revolver.”

This case shows how dangerous it is to have millions of unknown, unidentified people, who are criminals in their own countries, living in the United States. Because this man could likely make a decent living by working under the table, he was free to brutally murder a little girl.
Update, June 30: Zamites was apprehended in Georgia.
In addition, please see Mexican Sexual Diversity which reflects upon the cultural factors mixed up in these terrible crimes. Noted in that piece is the important Washington Post article, “In Mexico, an Unpunished Crime: Rape Victims Face Widespread Cultural Bias” which documents shocking cases of child sex abuse.

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Saudi Slave-owning Couple The next time you are accosted with the idea that you should “celebrate diversity” please remember that some cultures accept despicable practices, including slavery even today. This well-to-do Saudi couple has been arrested for enslaving and abusing an illegal alien for four years in their Aurora, Colorado, home in their country’s traditional fashion: slavery was not officially abolished in Saudi Arabia until 1962.

AURORA, Colo. — A Saudi Arabian couple was in custody Friday, accused of turning a young Indonesian woman into a virtual slave, forcing her to clean, cook and care for their children while she was threatened and sexually assaulted.
A federal grand jury on Thursday indicted Homaidan Al-Turki, 36, and his wife, Sarah Khonaizan, 35, on charges of forced labor, document servitude and harboring an illegal immigrant.
Al-Turki also faces state charges including kidnapping, false imprisonment and extortion, as well as 12 charges of sexual assault. His wife faces some of the same charges. The two could be sentenced to life in prison if convicted.

IHC generally posts stories about illegal aliens who have committed crimes, but also believes that certain cultures have values so anathema to our own that they simply shouldn’t be allowed to immigrate here, and Saudi Arabia is near the top of the list. The kingdom practices an extreme form of gender apartheid that, if it were aimed at a race instead of against women, would be condemned as thoroughly as South Africa was in an earlier time. In 2002, Saudi Arabia beheaded three men simply for being gay.
Furthermore, slavery-like conditions continue in the kingdom even now, particularly for immigrant workers, many of whom come from Indonesia and Sri Lanka. The cultural norm is to treat vulnerable foreigners like property, an attitude the Saudi couple apparently brought with them to America.
Add in the Saudi’s continuing financial support for Islamic terror worldwide, and we have to wonder why America’s welcome mat is still out for Saudi Arabians.

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Travis Smith The nation’s highways have become far more dangerous since they have been turned into smuggling thruways for criminals from Mexico and elsewhere. Nineteen-year-old Travis Smith of Mesa, Arizona, was killed in 2002 by a carload of illegal aliens being smuggled to Pennsylvania. The accident occurred near Monticello in southeastern Utah, as the car driven by illegal alien smuggler Isidro Aranda-Flores plowed head-on into Smith’s 1966 Mustang. The smuggler apparently fell asleep at the wheel.
At the sentencing held on May 25, Travis’ mother Tanya Lowe was not buying the tiresome excuses that essentially blame the victim.

“People say my son was just in the wrong place at the wrong time,” she said. “My son was not in the wrong place at the wrong time … The illegal person transporting illegals was in the wrong place at the wrong time.”

Travis’ dad Wayne Smith was too distraught to attend the sentencing:

But outside court, he said that the law should be altered so that being in the United States illegally would warrant harsher sentencing, just as recklessness and intoxication do, in traffic-accident cases.

The killer received a hand-slap sentence, just six and a half years in prison for ending the life of a teenager.
For more on the highway carnage caused by illegal aliens, please see Diversity Is Strength! It’s Also… Drunk Driving

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Milagro CunninghamIn a year of horrendous crimes against children, burying a child alive under a pile of concrete after raping her remains particularly awful. Only a rapid and thorough search by police saved the 8-year-old’s life. Too bad law enforcement hadn’t been as meticulous when the illegal alien Milagro Cunningham (pictured here at his court appearance) had been arrested three times last year by the Palm Beach County (Florida) Sheriff’s Office on burglary charges. Had the young man been sent home to the Bahamas where he belonged, then the little girl would not have been raped and buried alive, a trauma that will remain with her for a lifetime. (Another photo of the accused can be seen here.)

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Amy Dumas In Lynn, Massaschusetts, 16-year-old Amy Dumas was shot dead Monday night (May 16) during a home invasion as she tried to protect her wheelchair-bound father, Robert S. Finnerty, who was also killed. Apparently four Asian gang members forced themselves into the family’s apartment and shot father and daughter several times. Finnerty was a cancer survivor who was left using a wheelchair after a stroke. Robert’s wife Judith Finnerty was in the apartment but was unhurt.
Two men were quickly arrested by police. The accused are “Cambodian-born men” (no further status mentioned) and belong to a local gang, the “Oriental Boys.” Two other gangsters are being sought in the killing. At least one of those arrested, Chon Son, “is well known to local police.”

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Donald R. Young Donald R. Young was a Denver police officer working a second job when he was shot three times in the back and killed by an illegal alien from Mexico, Raul Garcia-Gomez. Young was providing security at Solano Ocampo, a hall used for private functions, when he was ambushed at around 1 am on Sunday May 8; another policeman was also shot but not seriously.
Both men were off duty but in uniform. Detective Young was the married father of two. He was a a 12-year veteran, who had worked with the vice-narcotics and domestic violence units, and was assigned to the fugitive-bomb squad when he died.

Donald R. Young had received numerous awards during his 12 years on the Denver police force.
He was awarded the police department’s medal of honor and a distinguished service cross. He also received 10 official commendations and two commendatory letters.

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Raul Garcia-Gomez Raul Garcia-Gomez, the accused killer of Detective Donnie Young, was an illegal alien who had been in police custody twice before but was allowed to remain in the United States instead of being deported.

9NEWS has also confirmed that Garcia-Gomez has been involved in at least three traffic infractions since last October. He was pulled over once for running a red light, once for speeding and was involved in an accident.
In two of those incidents he was citing for driving with out a drivers license and in the third he provided a Mexican license.

Update 5/11: The Dodge Neon Garcia-Gomez used to escape has been found in California, perhaps Los Angeles. The girlfriend said that he confessed to her.
Update 5/12: O’Reilly mentioned Denver’s sanctuary policy during his 5/11 discussion of this case. And yes, the Denver Police Department Operations Manual makes it clear in Section 104.52 - Arrest/Detention of Foreign Nationals that police are to ignore illegal immigration status in performing their duties. (PDF file of manual)
Furthermore, this case is complicated by the fact that the Mayor of Denver owned the restaurant where the accused killer worked, and the restaurant had received notification that Garcia-Gomez’ Social Security number was bogus, indicating he was a likely illegal alien. It’s an ugly picture of corruption all the way around, with another unnecessary death so that a fat-cat politician business owner could make a few more bucks.
Contact Denver Mayor John Hickenlooper, phone 720-865-9000 or email: to express polite outrage at his city’s idiotic sanctuary policy.
Update 5/16: Now the accused’s family has disappeared, presumably to Mexico where Garcia-Gomez is believed to be. Gone from Los Angeles are the killer’s mother and four of her other children plus Ismael Goytia, cousin of the accused.
In other news, on Friday “Thousands Gather[ed] For Slain Police Officer’s Funeral.”
Update June: The accused was arrested on June 4 in Culican, Mexico. The article contained an interesting detail:

In 2002, the attorney general’s office estimated that about one- fourth of Colorado’s roughly 200 active murder warrants for fugitives involved Mexican nationals who returned to their homeland after the crimes.

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Castellanos Ronald Douglas Herrera Castellanos is the real name of the illegal alien arrested for the killing of Mary Nagle (posting directly below). He has been charged with murder, rape, other sex crimes, robbery and burglary, for a total of 22 counts.

“The defendant’s been charged with multiple theories of murder in the first degree as well as murder in the second degree, basically under the felony murder theory that he committed the killing while he was robbing her, burglarizing the home, raping her and other sex acts,” [prosecutor Louis] Valvo said. He said he could not remember a similar list against a defendant in his nine years as a prosecutor.

Bill O’Reilly opened his Fox News television show 5/4 with an excellent Talking Point Memo about the Nagle murder. He has been a strong voice for crime victims of illegal aliens:

In 2002, the guy was arrested for beating up a woman, but the judge let him go. And he skipped his court appearance. Despite that, he was still able to get a job with the washing company because he carried a California driver’s license.
So Mary Nagle becomes yet another victim of illegal alien killers. She is no less a victim of our government’s failure to protect us than all of those who died on 9/11.
There are thousands of other Mary Nagles you will never hear about because the government doesn’t keep statistics on murders by illegals and the liberal press doesn’t want to report these kinds of stories.
That’s because the media generally supports lenient border policy, driver’s licenses for illegals, sanctuary cities, and a “humane policy” for those who come to America illegally.

Go get ‘em, Bill. Now just remind Americans NEVER to bring illegal aliens into their homes.

Mary Nagle Mary Nagle must be added to the list of Americans murdered by illegal aliens. Had her family been more discriminating about whom they hired, she might still be alive today, because the Guatemalan man who raped and killed Mary in her bedroom was painting the Nagle house in Rockland County, New York.
Not only did Douglas Herrera apparently kill Mary Nagle in her own home, he followed up his brutal crime by using her cell phone to call 51 of her friends and family, sometimes to brag on the killing and to threaten them as well. He was arrested a few hours after the murder.
Mary Nagle was a 42-year-old mother of two young children. She had a master’s degree from Columbia University in finance and marketing and was employed by Volvo Leasing as the director of marketing at the time of her death.
The New York Times reports that local people are now reluctant to hire foreigners as a result of the murder. Oh, really…

Mr. Sandoval happened to know Mr. Herrera. He hired him to paint several rooms in his own house.
“He was quiet; he was a good worker,” Mr. Sandoval said. “I left for lunch and when I got back he had finished the room.”
Still, Mr. Sandoval said, if the charges against Mr. Herrera are true, he shudders at the memory.
“I have a 15-year-old daughter and he was in my house,” he said. “It’s terrible.”

What is wrong with Americans who naively open their homes to foreign strangers — people about whom they know nothing. These aliens have no connection to this society, probably have fake identification and feel none of the social glue which prevents crime in settled communities. Most are here to take what they can get by any means necessary.

Larry VanceLike the Garner family in the posting below, Larry Vance lives near the border with a level of stress from constant trespassing and crime from illegal aliens that most of us cannot imagine. The Douglas, Arizona, resident has seen it all.

And this ease with which illegals can sneak in, has led to a booming crime wave that has terrorized local citizens along this stretch of border.
Border resident Larry Vance said, “We’ve been robbed, our dogs have been poisoned, our house broken into.”
American Border Patrol founder Glenn Spencer added, “We’ve had murders, mayhem.” […]
Larry Vance lives within eyeshot of the border, and sometimes videotapes the illegals pouring in. He said, “Rape, robbery, beatings … it’s a common occurrence right here.”
They frequently target a little old lady living near Vance. “She’s been robbed, the last I heard, 57 times,” lamented Vance.

Financial loss is normal because of stock killed, fences cut and water tanks emptied. The amount of trash strewn around the desert landscape is disgusting. Ranchers routinely carry guns because of the violent drug smugglers who pass through. There is plenty of evidence of OTMs (Other Than Mexicans) among the daily thousands, including some from Arab-Muslim countries where jihad against America is a common goal.
Yet at this writing (4/13/05), the Senate is contemplating a huge amnesty bill with practically no measures against fraud. As we know from previous immigration “reform,” just the mention of another amnesty encourages thousands more illegals to come.

Garner Family
The Garner family looks cheerful enough in this photo, but these residents of Naco, Arizona, are daily victims of illegal immigration. Their lives are literally terrorized by inhabiting a growing part of America where no citizen is safe because the illegal alien invasion has destroyed the normal protections of the legal system.

“Years ago, they would politely ask you for water outside. Now you come home and someone is in your house, eating your food, trashing your bedroom, stealing your stuff, and leaving garbage everywhere.”

The Minuteman Project has brought an unprecedented amount of long overdue media attention to life on the Mexican border. As a result we can learn about the lifestyle of the Garner family, such as how mom Dawn has to carry a gun along with signing her three daughters up for an Israeli-army self-defense course.
Just a year ago, Lou Dobbs Tonight reported that in one town, getting kids to school safely requires volunteers to follow school buses:

Fifty miles northwest in Sierra Vista, near several alien smuggling trails, school children catch the bus under the watch of sheriff department’s volunteers. They’ve been patrolling bus stops since a group of illegal aliens carjacked a mother and daughter on their way to school two months ago.

One family who visited the Minuteman Project had a particular reason to participate. Randy Green of St. George, Utah, was urged to attend by his 22-year-old daughter who had been raped as a child by an illegal alien in their home:

The issue of illegal immigrants is a personal one for the father and daughter. Eleven years ago, an illegal immigrant raped Green’s daughter in her bedroom. She was then stalked by the rapist’s friends. Eleven years later, she is still working to put the experience behind her.

An outrageous level of anarchy is now the norm in areas bordering Mexico. This country has NO homeland security as long as the borders are open, and the chaos currently inflicted on those citizens will only move north.

Murderer Jesus HernandezConvicted murderer Jesus Hernandez didn’t understand that as an illegal alien employee, he had already accepted that he would be exploited. When he wasn’t paid by boss Joseph Crummy of Levi, Utah, for some construction work, Hernandez demanded his money and then shot Crummy. He didn’t allow the American legal process to work by suing to get his back wages (as several other Crummy illegal alien employees had successfully done). But as an unlawful foreign worker, Hernandez had not shown much respect for our nation’s legal framework.
During the trial proceedings March 23, when asked by the judge whether he thought the shooting was justifiable, the killer replied, “I think it was.” The back wages amounted to $1,345, which Hernandez believed justified murder.
This is another tragedy, created Washington’s immigration irresponsibility. If America’s laws for border and workplace enforcement were actually followed, Joseph Crummy’s five children would likely still have a father. Hernandez is scheduled to be sentenced May 3.
Sentencing Update (5/4): Hernandez got a mere five years for the murder.

Brenda Crummy said when the police officer came to her home that day in January to inform her of her husband’s death, she was nine months pregnant and her parents were in China on an LDS Church mission. She had to find a neighbor to console her in her great moment of grief.
“I was all alone,” she said. “It’s the worst thing you can ever have happen to you in your life.”
Crummy said she’s also experienced considerable health problems and financial duress since the murder of her husband and her children remain traumatized after losing their father.
“When they see someone Hispanic, they think he’s coming to kill them,” she said, adding that she has had to teach her children “some people make bad choices.” Brenda Crummy said Hernandez’s anger and frustration did not justify his senseless act of violence and said everyone has to deal with the daily stresses and hardships of life.

Virginia GarciaVirginia “Jenny” Garcia was an 18-year-old college freshman when she was murdered with a butcher knife in her own house, in her own room, on her own bed allegedly by an illegal alien. The accused murderer, David Diaz Morales, whom the Austin police had earlier held in custody for child molestation, had been released rather than deported because of the city’s sanctuary policy.
Incidentally, Rep. Tom Tancredo tried to end the criminal-protection sanctuary policy in 2003, but Congress was deaf to the concerns of victims’ families and law enforcement generally: the bill received only 104 votes out of 424 cast. So much for the “nation of laws” myth we hear celebrated by politicians when they are campaigning for re-election. When push comes to shove, most choose political correctness — in this case “say no evil” against so-called immigrants — rather than law enforcement.
Humberto Garcia
Jenny’s father, Humberto Garcia, wants to know why the Austin city government protects foreign criminals so they can kill innocent young girls like his late daughter. He appeared on CNN’s must-watch Lou Dobbs Tonight March 16 to speak on behalf of all grieving families who have lost a loved one due to irresponsible government at multiple levels, from the Austin City Council to the White House. The sanctuary policy created by the Austin public officials directly contributed to his daughter’s death, as Mr. Garcia stated:

This is an abuse of civil rights. Her civil rights were trampled by a fellow who should have been deported. He should have been turned into immigration once he was found with illegal documentation, and he was not. (Dobbs transcript here.)

This case shows how ridiculously hamstrung law enforcement has become when an “immigrant” is involved. An accused child molester was released to commit an even more heinous crime, that of murder, and if the government had done its basic job of keeping the monsters of the world out of our country, Jenny Garcia would be alive today.
Update: On March 22, Bill O’Reilly interviewed Humberto Garcia, where he explained the devastation his family has experienced after the murder and his efforts to sue the city of Austin for the sanctuary policy which directly contributed to Jenny Garcia’s death.

Oreina Alvarez Zarco Oreina Alvarez Zarco is another illegal alien criminal given a hand-slap sentence after killing an American — only two years, with one year already served. The woman pleaded guilty to felony hit-and-run and driving without a license in the death of Soledad firefighter Mario Cunha March 13, 2004. The court dropped manslaughter charges for the incident, which occured on the shoulder of Highway 101 while Cunha was battling a vehicle fire.
She had been driving illegally in the U.S. for seven years previous to the accident. According to court records, Zarco struck Cunha with so much force that he was thrown him on top of a fire engine and then onto the shoulder. Zarco stopped her car, checked out the situation and then left the scene of the accident.
“I understand that accidents happen,” said Sal Lucido, the victim’s cousin. “But the trend here is a disregard for all laws. She was here illegally, she had no license and she hit him and left the scene. Her actions are inexcusable.”

Brittany Binger Brittany Binger was apparently raped and murdered by an illegal alien in James City, Virginia. The girl was so badly beaten that dental records were required to identify the body.
Oswaldo Martinez was arrested in mid-February for killing the 16-year-old. Martinez had been in custody in 2004 for drunk driving, possessing a bogus Social Security number and driving without a license. He was clearly a candidate for deportation, yet nothing was done because of “cracks in the legal system.” This demonstrable criminal was left in America to rape and kill a teenaged girl because the safety of citizens is not a priority for law enforcement.
How many more deaths of innocents will it take for officials to take the problem of illegal alien criminals seriously enough to deport them?

Vinessa Hoera Vinessa Hoera was brutally murdered in February 2004 by Faustino Chavez, an illegal alien from Guatemala, when she refused his obnoxious romantic advances. He raped her at knifepoint, strangled her, then slashed her throat five times. It took police two months of searching to find her body where it had been dumped in the woods in Suffolk County, New York. The victim met Chavez in a seafood store in Westhampton Beach where they both worked.
Chavez was court Feb 14, 2005, where he accepted a plea bargain in the February 2004 murder. Vinessa’s distraught family did not want the additional emotional stress of a full trial. Chavez will get his official sentence of 22 years to life in prison on March 15.
Vinessa was a single mom, and her son, now aged six and living with his father, recently asked why his mother had to die so young. When Xavier Thomas Moore is a lot older and understands the corruption of politics, he can ask why our elected leaders have sacrificed innocent citizens like his mom so business could have the open borders and cheap labor pipeline it prizes.

Justin Goodman Here is another person run down and killed on our highways by an illegal alien. Justin Goodman, 32, was knocked from his motorcycle in Thornton, Colorado, on July 1, 2004, and died near the curb. The SUV which struck him never stopped.
Justin’s mother Carol Vizzi was alarmed to learn that the illegal alien driver, Roberto Martinez-Ruiz, had a long history of run-ins with the law, including several drunk driving arrests, having half a dozen different alias, jail time served in 2000, driving with a revoked license, among others.
Despite Martinez-Ruiz’ long rap sheet, no official ever contacted the INS to have him deported. “We as a society gave him the message that he could break our laws and get away with it and continue that type of behavior and not suffer any real severe consequences for it,” said Vizzi.
Tragically, a man like Martinez-Ruiz was considered a non-violent criminal, so he could remain in America to take the life of Justin Goodman.

Russell Pearce Russell Pearce is a father whose police officer son Sean was shot and wounded by an illegal alien. Pearce is also a member of the Arizona House of Representatives.
Rep. Pearce worked for border enforcement before his son was shot and was a strong voice for Prop 200, the Arizona citizen’s initiative requiring that prospective voters and welfare recipients show identification, which passed in Nov. 2004. But now he has one more reason, a personal one, to work through the legislative process to protect America’s sovereignty and people.
As it happened, on the day Sean was wounded, Rep. Pearce was in Washington to speak at Brookings on the subject of immigration policy. “I was interrupted and given a message to call (wife) LuAnne in reference to an emergency at home,” Rep. Pearce remarked later. “I called to find out my son Sean had been shot while executing a search warrant on a home for homicide suspects and was being flown by helicopter to the hospital. I later learned the suspects and the shooter were illegal aliens and had been issued Matricula Consular cards so they could get services in the United States.”

Melissa Dorner
Melissa Dorner was only 21 when she was murdered in her own apartment in Chicago. Her friends remembered her as a “wonderful, caring human being” and many notes and flowers in remembrance were left in front of the apartment building. She graduated from Evanston High School in 2002 and worked as a hostess in a restaurant. Melissa had fought off an accused serial rapist Mario Villa a year earlier. Her strangled and beaten body was found Jan. 24.
The apparent killer is Roberto Ramirez, who is believed by police to have fled to Mexico. He was last seen in Chicago with blood on his clothes and scratches on his face.

David Montiel Cruz
Here is some good news from the California courts. Shown at the left is David Montiel Cruz who brutally kidnapped a nine-year-old girl from her San Jose home in 2003 and injured her mother and brother as they tried to protect her. After several days of being raped, she convinced him to release her, and a few days later supplied police with enough detail of her captivity that they could quickly find and arrest the criminal.
On January 21, Cruz was sentenced to 102 years in prison. The judge remarked, “In 18 years of being part of this distinguished bench, I have never encountered (a crime) as vicious as this.”
The young victim requested through a letter read to the court to “put that man in jail for the rest of his life or in other words, eternity.”

Keyse Jama
Keyse Jama will soon be on his way back to his native Somalia. He had fought deportation all the way to the Supreme Court with the argument that Somalia has no functioning government and therefore cannot receive him properly. The Supremes disagreed, paving the way for 3,568 criminal and out-of-status Somalis nationwide to be repatriated.
A resident of Minnesota, Jama was a refugee who had never become a citizen. He was convicted in Hennepin County of assault for stabbing a man. He is apparently at peace with his Somali future, saying, “I’m feeling good to be going home.”
Update, 3/24/05: There appears to a problem with “delivering” Mr. Jama to Somalia because of the warlord situation. What is the difficulty? Aren’t Somalis merely following their culturally desired form of government, i.e. clan-based warlordism? He merely needs to be deposited somewhere within the boundary of the country.

Amazing what makeovers can occur when lawyers want to turn a brutal thug into the guy next door. These two photos are of the same man, Nicolas Serrano-Villagrana. He was convicted Jan. 11 in Las Vegas of three counts of felony DUI in the May crash that killed 4-year-old Angel Avendano and injured the boy’s 32-year-old mother, Eulogia Avendano, and another woman, Nijailia Altitijka Graves. Serrano-Villagrana was found to have a blood-alcohol content of 0.20 percent (2.5 times the legal limit in Nevada) as well as cocaine in his system. He drove his truck over a curb, running down the women and little boy who were standing at a bus stop, and then escaped.
Serrano-Villagrana was an illegal alien with previous drunk-driving offenses. He should have been deported at the time of his earlier DUI arrests, but was not and remained to cause the death of a child.

Kelbessa Negewo
Kelbessa Negewo is a prime example showing that our legal immigration screening process is deeply flawed in terms of keeping out the world’s most disgusting characters. The man is a convicted torturer who will be deported back to Ethiopia where he will go to prison for his crimes, including human rights violations and more than a dozen murders.
What’s even more distressing is how long it has taken to get rid of this monster. Apparently insufficient investigation was done when he was accepted this country as a political asylee; then he was given citizenship in 1995 even though he had been recognized in a U.S. court in 1993 of being a human rights abuser.

Deputies Argetsinger and Pearce
These two deputies were shot Dec. 16 in Mesa by an illegal alien whom they were trying to arrest while executing a search warrant. Fortunately, both have wounds that are not life threatening, although Lewis Argetsinger may lose the use of his hand. Sean Pearce was shot in the chest but was protected by body armor; he was hit in the stomach just below the vest.
Sean Pearce is the son of Rep. Russell Pearce of the Arizona legislature who was in Washington to appear on an immigration panel at the Brookings Institute when he received the news that his son had been shot. Russell Pearce was an active supporter of Prop. 200 which won at the polls in November and requires that voters and would-be welfare recipients show proof of citizenship.

Eggle Family

Pictured here are Bob, Jennifer and Bonnie Eggle, an American family who lost a son and brother because of our government’s refusal to enforce our national borders. Jennifer is holding a photo of Kris Eggle , who was murdered August 9, 2002, by a Mexican drug smuggler crossing through Organ Pipe National Monument. The park is “under siege” and is listed as one of the nation’s 10 most endangered because of the torrent of illegal aliens and drugs flowing through that area of the border. In fact, Organ Pipe was called “the most dangerous national park” for three years in a row.
On December 13, the only man charged in connection with Kris Eggle’s murder was sentenced to 15 1/2 years in prison. Dionicio Ramirez Lopez received that punishment for aiding and abetting the transportation of a stolen vehicle, aiding and abetting assault with a dangerous weapon and firing a weapon during a violent crime. The Mexican who killed Kris was shot and killed during the shootout.
Since the murder, the Eggles have sought to prevent more family tragedies like theirs by working to increase border security. It hasn’t been easy, since much of Washington quietly believes that national sovereignty is an anachronism which interferes with business. But the family, particularly Bob and Bonnie, have actively pursued sensible immigration policies and border enforcement.
The Eggles are real American heroes, regular folks who responded to a crushing tragedy with a concern for others. They won’t let the nation forget that open borders come with a terrible human cost.

Rice Lake Sign

The communities of Rice Lake and Haugen, Wisconsin, are still coming to grips with the shocking mass murder of six hunters. People want to understand the meaning of what happened and why.
See this memorial to the hunters, with loving remembrances of those who were brutally murdered.
There’s no doubt in the minds of the press and the Hmong — the problem is racism and clashing cultures. They want to talk about discrimination on the part of American hunters, but no mention of assimilation and responsibility for the Hmong.
Outdoors columnist Dave Bowman said it straight:

“There is no delicate way to put this: The Hmongs have a notorious reputation among white sportsmen in the upper Midwest.”
In April, I was fishing on the Mississippi River between Minnesota and Wisconsin. Huge signs designated the no-fishing area by the dam.
A couple dozen people, spread over several generations, came out. The babies and women sat on blankets. Men set to catching white bass by the dozen from the no-fishing area by the dam flank. Downstream in the no-fishing area, children waded with nets, then dumped the catch in holes dug on the beach.
I asked who they were. Hmongs, came the answer. Another fisherman, in a Charlie Chan voice, asked, “Ah, Straight Eye, you don’t know?”

“Straight Eye”? If I were to address an Asian as “Slant” I would be accused of racism, but when Hmong treat Americans disrespectfully, it’s accepted. And when Hmong arrogantly break U.S. laws designed to protect species and the environment, that is categorized as a “culture clash.” No wonder there is resentment.

Jessica Willers
Here is the final photo of the murdered Wisconsin hunters, that of Jessica Willers. She was just 27 when she was shot twice in the back, apparently by Chai Vang, the Hmong immigrant. There has not been a lot of information about her in the press, except that she worked as a cardiac surgical technician at a hospital in Green Bay and was engaged to be married next August. Certainly her family is overwhelmed with grief and needs privacy, but the amount of ink used to portray the accused killer in a positive light is excessive to say the least.
In fact, the nanny media can’t shut up about the admirable characteristics of the accused mass murderer, or at least the reasons to be sympathetic — usually some version of race victimhood. The suffering of Chai Vang’s extended family has been detailed ad nauseum, while the genuine anguish afflicting the hunters’ families has been given short shrift indeed.

Funeral of Jessica Willers

The last of the six murdered hunters, the apparent victims of Hmong immigrant Chai Vang, were buried on Monday. Shown above is the funeral of Jessica Willers, 27, who was remembered as someone who loved going hunting with her dad. Parents Patti and Terry are in the center of the photo, watching their daughter’s casket pass by. Terry Willers was shot and wounded in the attack.
An unusual tribute was paid to the hunters on Monday Night Football. Fans of the Green Bay Packers were asked to wear blaze orange, the hunting safety color, at the game to honor the shooting victims. “My friend told me about it and I threw off my Packer hat and put on the blaze orange hat,” said fan Tom Fields from Stevens Point. The stands were indeed filled with thousands wearing bright orange.
More details of the shooting are being revealed. When first questioned, Vang said that he didn’t shoot anyone, that one of the American hunters had killed all the others. Only later did Vang admit shooting them all. Vang allegedly shot four of his unarmed victims in the back, three of them more than once. The two survivors admitted using profanity, but not racial slurs, when Vang was discovered to be trespassing.
The media continues with its multicultural agenda even in this horrendous case. Worries about backlash against Hmong are apparently more important than the mass murder of six Americans, as a Google News search reveals more than 500 articles on that subject, while there are only a handful of news stories about the victims.
The AP has been downright misleading, reporting “Two of the survivors, however, told authorities Vang fired the first shot.” The phrase “two of the survivors” imples that there are other survivors with a different story, but no, there are only two survivors and they agree on what happened.

Victims of Chai Vang
Thanksgiving week has been anything but thankful for the friends and family of the six Wisconsin hunters apparent

Posted by: Greco at June 11, 2007 8:55 PM
Comment #222929

So your point is that we should only allow white people to immigrate?Certainly no Irish or Italians ever broke the law or hurt anybody.

Posted by: BillS at June 12, 2007 3:28 AM
Comment #222939

Don’t quote the whole page, I think we can get the drift with a few links. The trouble with your argument, besides it being somewhat melodramatic, is that we have quite a few people in this already, lifelong, natural-born citizens who do just the same things.

It entirely misses the point of the problem. Cynical opportunists, or well-intentioned providers, the problem is, we let the people who encourage this kind of immigration by providing employment for illegals do so with impunity, while at the same time raising the price of legal admission as a citizen so high that few poor folks could afford to cross over.

The problem is not that immigrants would ruin this country- they made this country! No, the problem is, some people are trying to get a free lunch at the cost of everybody else- the people whose wages are undercut by undocumented workers, the people who might become the victim of a terrorist sneaking in along well-established routes and means of illegal entry, and the honest folks in the business who feel pressured to do likewise despite their better judgment because of the competitive advantage that those who break the law gain.

Those who advocate enforcing the laws have my support. But they do not have Bush’s. Those who claim that Republicans have been better about this issue should know that Clinton substantially beats Bush on the enforcement of these laws.

The whole labor argument for looking the other way on illegal immigration reflects the hypocrisy of many who call themselves free-market advocates, for the government has other duties than just shepherding the economy, and for decisions to be made in law and regulation intentionally meant to support or bolster the corporate interests of this country is to introduce an influence into the economy that is decidedly not a free market influence.

We’re not being invaded. We’re merely taking one more opportunity as a society to be cheap, and suffering for it.

Posted by: Stephen Daugherty at June 12, 2007 8:22 AM
Comment #222965

harming the quality of life for many in this nation

No immigrant, legal or illegal, is harming the quality of my life. On the contrary, they are interesting and entertaining and improve the quality of my life, providing opportunities for learning about different cultures and perspectives on our own society.

An idea keeps being mentioned about taking jobs from Americans. This must be regional or seasonal, because everyone here works except for a permanent underclass of people who have problems with alcohol, drugs, or a prison record, who nobody wants to hire. These individuals usually end up working at day labor.

A landscaping company here once got a blonde haired, blue eyed, red blooded American with a prison record from one of these day labor agencies. He ended up stealing their payroll checkbook, and writing checks all over town.

Elderly people work, handicapped people work in all the grocery stores and many other places. There are many jobs which actually pay nothing, but organizations have no trouble finding volunteers. In fact many good jobs require that an individual work for free before ever being hired. I know someone who worked for more than 40 years without pay.

The immigrants who come here find work easily, and no one is preventing an American from working at those jobs. Would you hire someone who just got out of prison?

I agree that immigration deflates wages. People who object to immigration from foreign countries should encourage internal migration instead, from wherever these places are that Americans are competing with immigrants for jobs, to the places where it is easier to find a job.

Posted by: ohrealy at June 12, 2007 11:22 AM
Comment #223020


Sorry I’m coming late to the party. There is so much to chew on in this debate, that I thought I’d go back to you original text and deconstruct it a little.

Putting aside the security issues of immigrations, the big focus on immigration centers around the economy. The illegal aliens are low-wage competition for Americans. That simple.

I know that this claim is often cited by labor protectionists as a reason to reduce immigration. I’m not sure though that I have seen evidence that supports this claim. This assumption underlies the foundation for a good portion of the rest of your argument. It would be nice to see some evidence for this.

Many want a Guest-Worker program. I think that betrays both Americans and the legal immigrants who follow our laws to gain their prosperity. That’s nothing new for the advocates of low-wage labor.

I’m not sure why a guest worker program betrays the legal immigrants that follow our laws to gain their prosperity. These guest workers would presumably follow our laws as well if the law is instituted, wouldn’t they? Also, are you sure that the guest worker program would necessarily target low wage labor? If I had to guess it would make more sense for business going through the process to target more highly skilled labor where the investment is more likely to pay-off than strictly low-wage labor.

You hear an awful lot from those who complain that you can’t find Americans to fill certain jobs. The B.S. part of that is that they could fill those jobs, if they were paying the prices the market set for those workers! There is a labor market in America where the downward pressures from business, both legitimate and illegitimate, combine with the upward pressure that both the economy and the desires of the workers set from below. The latter half is what many of the corporate apologists and supply siders don’t acknowledge. The market is supposed to help their bottom line, in their view.

Stephen, I get the passion in this argument, but I’m not sure that I get the logic and how it follows. Presumably a guest worker program would likely increase pressure on wages as immigrants with a legal status are less likely to work for below legal wages. Similarly, there will presumably be a cap on the number of legal applicants for the guest worker program rather than a largely unchecked number of illegal immigrants entering today.

I see the guest worker program more as putting sturcture to the immigration process for labor rather than an economic incentive to business. Those companies that benefit most from the illegal labor will likely be worse off at the bottom line with a guest worker program.

You could also speak of a market for immigration, for people who want or need to leave their countries, and come here to build a new life or earn money at the very least. The people who would need this chance, typically, are the poor and disadvantaged. That was what many of our ancestors qualified as. Our current system, though, makes legal immigration a pricey affair:….

It’s fairly obvious what’s happened over the years: we’ve priced many out of the market for legal immigration. We could have them as legal immigrants, but congress in years past and this administration now pay for a critical element of the process on the backs of those coming in. We’re the ones discouraging legal immigration among the poor, the hard working.

Stephen this just doesn’t jib with the facts. In 2006, more people were granted permanent residence status in the U.S. than ever before: As the cited reports mentioned more than half of those receiving this status were either relatives of U.S. citizens or green card holders or here on employment allowances. The prices being set here are still well within reach of the large majority of immigrant families that want to bring family memebers to the U.S. And as for those coming for employment status, the cost is negligible and often born by the company sponsoring the individual.

It is also worth noting that the majority of those achieving permanent status (65%) do so after already residing in the U.S. While it may hit them in the wallet a bit, they are getting paid U.S. wages and should be able to shoulder the cost.

Finally, the U.S. has hit the immigration limits set by Congress for a long time now. It isn’t as if we have allowed the market to set the cost for admission. If we did, the prices for admission would be much, much higher.

At the same time, business claim the need to basically institutionalize the situation in a legal fashion. to create guest worker programs. Supposedly, this is a path to citizenship, but raises real questions about why such a path is necessary, or even fair, for anybody concerned. Here’s what somebody from the The New Republic had to say:”…Cited European Comparison Quotes…” The author does go on to favor Bush’s plan, given that it has that path to citizenship, but I say that such is utterly unnecessary, We should avoid the double standard altogether. There should not be one immigration system for the rich, and another for the poor.

You seem to be supporting a double standard for rich vs. poor by dismissing the guest worker program. You have not gone on record against the H1B system for those that are rich enough to send their children to the U.S. to attend schools, and ultimatley a green card. Yet, you think that the path to legal employment for non-professionals should be left to the luck of the immigration lottery.

For what it is worth, I also think that the European comparisons are invalid for specifically the reasons that the author tries to point out in the second quoted paragraph:
“But the guest-worker programs also reflected European notions of nationhood—attitudes that could not be more different than those of the United States. The guest-worker programs were a way in which these European countries could avoid becoming ethnically plural societies.”

These programs were specifically enacted to protect an idea of nationhood that was tied to birthright and ethnicity. They were set up to serve a population that did not want to accept “others” as citizens in their countries. The U.S. is founded on the opposite notion. While the author may find it easy to imagine the segregation of Mexicans as second-class citizens like Muslims in Europe. I find the idea ridiculous. Going back to the report I cited above, 17% of the new green-card holders in the U.S. are Mexican. They are on a path to citizenship. This has been a trend for several years. In addition, of the 2.1M illegals who were given green card status in the early 90’s, all are now eligible for full U.S. citizenship. Imagining a separate class of Mexican nationals with so many already citizens and more on their way is hard to do.

Our nation has certain interests that are served by people earning a living wage, not the least of which is the general health of the economy, and the reduction of the strain on our public health system.

Emphasis added was mine. How do you define what a living wage is? What is the actual amount of the living wage in today’s dollars? Is that wage the same for all workers regardless of their family situation?

I may agree with you on this point, but until I understand your definitions for these terms, I can’t know for sure.

The truth is, Government should not kowtow to those who want the benefits of being in business without the risks or the costs. One cost of doing business is paying your workers enough that they will feel encouraged to remain your employee. If you’re unwilling or unable to pay the necessary number of employees the necessary wages to get them to work for you, you shouldn’t be in business!

I’m guessing that you mean this paragraph to apply specifically to the issue of illegal immigraiton here, but I’ve seen you use this line of logic for other arguments. Can you please expound? If not for illegal immigration, I’m not sure what the government is doing to allow business to employe slave labor at this point in time. If you are aware of it, please let me know so that I can protest it.

A real immigration bill will make it easier for the poor to come to this country, will encourage them to to go through the legal process for immigration. The price we pay for wiping the noses of businesses too cheap to hire workers at real wages is both our economic health and our cultural unity.

I’m not sure how bringing more legal poor immigrants to this country will at all reverse the perceived economic harm to American workers that you cite for illegal immigrants. Can you please explain how this magic of making the illegal, legal makes a difference in the economic argument?

What does cultural unity have to do with anything? Are you offering up that immigration is making us less white and Christian and that is huring us? That seems to go counter to most of the works of yours that I have read. Is Texas getting to you?

Posted by: Rob at June 12, 2007 9:18 PM
Comment #223115


People who earn minimum wage don’t just keep the money. They pay for things. An increase in wages can put extra costs on employers, but when the money given to the employees feeds back, it can help reduce those costs if people have more earnings to spend.

Ok, but we are not talking about the minimum wage, which is a different story (I have the funny feeling we would still disagree). Fewer immigrants into the country means they will be consuming less here, they will be owning less property, and the economy will suffer as a result.

Income can affect credit scores, can affect ability to pay bills and other things. One possible effect of a rise in wages could end up being more regular payments, less defaults on loans and so on and so forth.

I know that defaults factor in to the whole equation, but the immigrants are their own category. If credit card companies can make the distinction between a higher risk and a lower one, they will. You honestly have more to worry about from Caucasian males declaring bankruptcy than illegal immigrants.

The suppression of wages can create an inefficiency in the system as inflation overtakes the buying power of the wage-earner. An economy where the typical persons wages are buying less is an economy growing much slower in its lower segements than it should be, and probably developing some kind of bubble in the upper segments as investors create the conditions of reduced real growth, even as their stocks and bonds go up.

How would there be inflation? Companies would be producing products for less, not more.

And if you think that only the upper echelons would be benefiting, then I would like to refer to the most recent housing bubble. The dramatic increase in demand for lower income housing was fueled by an influx of illegal immigrants. The several million immigrants bought low-income housing that then allowed many lower-class Americans to buy better houses.

I am not saying there are no drawbacks to high immigration, many people like to cite security as one of those drawbacks. But I believe that on the whole the country benefits more from immigration than it suffers.

Posted by: Zeek at June 13, 2007 5:13 PM
Comment #223121

A guest-worker program would institutionalize something that is unfair to immigrant and natural born citizen alike. A person on the direct path to citizenship is not at the mercy of an employer necessarily, not endanger of being sent back at an employer’s whim.

A guest-worker program would reward employers who undercut domestic labor with their cut-rate wages, who try and pay people less than what the market would let people accept. People have food, healthcare, and other things to pay for; we would benefit little from letting employers exploit vulnerable immigrants for this purpose.

In terms of people filling jobs? We have no shortage of programmers and other hi-tech employees. Training these people is expensive, and such employees pass the cost of their education to their employers, not to mention the other costs attached to maintaining a decent standard of living. You can’t arbitrarily reduce wages forever, and there some prices to be paid for the fact that wages in this country have not kept up with inflation.

As far as the financial side of immigration, tell me this: what does one million plus legals compare to the eleven million something illegals running around the country? If you are even casually acquainted with the wages of people in many of the countries these people are showing up from, you would know that hundreds of dollars in immigration fees is far beyond the range of most folks.

As for comparison with Europe? The comparison is meant to illuminate the kind of stratification that is alien to us, but historically ingrained in much of Europe. Our modern immigration regulations are aimed at keeping hundreds of lower income immigrants from coming to our shores, and are in many ways the product of Eugenics movements in the early Twentieth Century. What has saved us so far is a sense that America is a melting pot, but there are a number of people who are starting to talk about the melting pot being a liability, especially in the face of illegal immigration. I can hardly see what making a permanent underclass of menial workers will do to help that.

Posted by: Stephen Daugherty at June 13, 2007 5:47 PM
Comment #223136

First, I am not a xenophobe. I welcome legal immigration, and am advocating for this government to make it easier, to take the appeal from the illegal kind. Second, I think your picture of the economic effects, even if a decrease in immigration does occur, is too oversimplified. The jobs would go to somebody else, the goods would be bought by others, and so on and so forth.

Third, my comment on wage increases positively affecting solvency and credit ties into my advocacy of a higher minimum wage.

As for the question of inflation, it’s not how would their be inflation, it would be how does the actual inflation that has occured factor into things. If a person’s dollars buy less, stagnant wages are falling wages.

Concerning your theory that the boom in lower income housing is due to illegal immigration, I think you need to back up that claim with some kind of evidence. Even if illegal immigrants do buy houses (probably not that common considering what their typical incomes and problems of legal status would be), we still have to consider other factors, like increased investment in real estate, and home refinancing.

A living wage is just that: one that allows an average family to subsist without government assistance. The amount would vary depending on location, as the costs of living vary based on location.

As for the role of legal immigration as opposed to illegal in moderating economic harm is that by and large, illegal immigrants have less power to ask for more money and seek better jobs than legal ones. With Legal immigrants, you might start out with them being low wage competition, but they have better standing with which to ask for raises and promotions, to seek out higher education, and find better paying jobs over the course of their lives. The difference here is that while both kinds of immigrants start out at the bottom, there’s a lot more that keeps an illegal immigrant there.

As for cultural unity, I’m not talking about the conforming of the country to one particular culture, but rather the ongoing process of willing assimilation and syncretism (that is, the rest of us picking up things from THEIR culture. In short, the melting pot.

As for Texas getting to me? I’m a native, born in Houston. It didn’t get to me, it already has me! On another note, though, my family is an admixture of influences from up North (like New York State and New Jersey) and down South(Louisiana and Texas). If anybody wonders why I’ve got such disrespect for regional stereotypes…

Posted by: Stephen Daugherty at June 13, 2007 9:17 PM
Comment #223186

Stephen, I am not saying you are a xenophobe by any means nor implying it so do not worry ;)

And I am glad you welcome immigration, but my guess is you probably do not want it to happen on the scale that illegal immigration has been taking place.

As for oversimplifying things, I do that to make a point. If I tried to address ever minor thing that factors into labor I would be writing one of those astronomically long posts that takes 30 minutes to get through. But the operative word there is “minor.” I do not believe the factors you mentioned would have a significant impact on the detriments of decreasing the labor supply.

Your comments on inflation seem a bit random if that is what you were getting at. I mean, wages are going to be eaten by inflation at whatever level they are at, no?

And I do not have any source on hand (I will try to find one from Harry Dent) but logically the several million illegal immigrants in the U.S. have to be living somewhere. I am not saying they are solely responsible for the housing boom but they represent a sizable demand for property.

Posted by: Zeek at June 14, 2007 11:36 AM
Comment #223261

Scale is not my problem. If we had 11 million legal immigrants coming into the country, I wouldn’t mind a bit

As for the issue of oversimplification, the fact is Economies have shown the kind of sensitivity to small disturbances that are the hallmark of systems like the weather. Compared to our GDP, Enron was a minor loss, but our economy took a real hit because of all the investors that got scared, and rightly so: many companies “restated” their numbers not soon after.

I’m presenting the consensus view on Minimum wage here.. The job losses are likely to be minimal, maybe one job in six hundred, according to the article.

As for inflation? Inflation is a rate. Think of it like a shark. If you keep ahead of it, you’re fine. Fall behind, and you get to be the shark’s chum. Literally. When your wages increase below the rate of inflation, then your wages fall, when adjusted for their buying power. Keep above, and your buying powe increases.

As for increases in housing? More likely, it’s probably working the other way around, given who they hire to build homes.

Posted by: Stephen Daugherty at June 15, 2007 10:36 PM
Comment #223275


It is very important to remember that unlike Black Americans, bigotry against Mexican Americans is still not being fully addressed.

Amnesty should continue to be part of our approach when attempting to solve our immigration problems with Mexico. The contributions hard-working Mexican Americans make to our society easily wipe out any so-called “free benefits” legal or non-legal immigrants may obtain through local, state, and federal programs.

Unlike some other Americans, many Mexican Americans are good people who possess a deep faith in Almighty God. Therefore they deserve to be treated with compassion & respect. In addition, we should double or triple the number of immigrants allowed on an annual basis with our friends from Mexico.

We must not forget that it is only with great difficulty & through hard work at low-paying jobs few other Americans want that many Mexicans eventually become citizens of the United States. It truly a blessing that so many Mexicans seek the opportunities the USA offers, & we should be honored to receive them in greater numbers into our country.

Vincent Bemowski
Website: Catholic Messages USA

Posted by: Vincent Bemowski at June 16, 2007 3:03 AM
Comment #223315

“If we had 11 million legal immigrants coming into the country, I wouldn’t mind a bit”

I do not understand this. Were you not just saying that the increased labor supply was bad? Because that is basically what I was arguing against. I do not really care about minimum wage or any of the other things.

I cannot understand how legal instead of illegal makes THAT much of a difference to you when it comes to immigration.

Posted by: Zeek at June 16, 2007 10:53 PM
Comment #223337

Vincent Bemowski-

I have no objection to any Mexican American who
is in the United States. However I would hate to
see what has happened in Mexico over the past few
Centuries, happen here in America, an I might say Your Church should have
offered the Indians there the same Deal those many
years ago. I would suggest you take you deal to
Mexico, an make up for some of the wrongs created
in part, by Spain an ask them to reunite twenty
million people there.

Posted by: -DAVID- at June 17, 2007 4:31 AM
Comment #223338

Watch blog- Management-

I believe Vincent Bemowski has posted an
advertisement or propaganda or both in this
posting, I am not in any way anti-church but
this is not a bulletin board Blog, Site.

In the event he had permission to post, I then
in advance apologize.

Posted by: -DAVID- at June 17, 2007 4:53 AM
Comment #223341

My central point concerning the low wage competition, is that the Market goes both ways. A legal Mexican immigrant coming into this country has labor protections. An illegal immigrant, already outside the law, has much less protection from it, and in fact will likely fear to appeal to their help.

If we look at the market in terms of upwards and downwards pressures, of which the labor supply is only one factor, we find that a legal immigrant has greater freedom in the market to either head to greener pastures by getting another, better-paying job, advance in their current job, or for whatever reason they want to, pursue higher wages. In short, they can exert upwards pressures on wages better than illegals can.

It helps to see the economy in dynamic terms. Yes, if more immigrants come in, that increases the labor supply. It also, though, can increase the labor demand. If ten million people showed up on our doorstep tomorrow, they could take up ten million more jobs, but they would also want ten million person’s worth of good and services.

If those people are kept poor, we sustain more of the burdens of illegitimate low wage competition, and less of the benefits that integration into the society and advancement within it provide.

The current system, and the “Guest worker” program, whichever we went with, would only serve to keep the problem of stifled market pressures going. Only by opening up legal immigration at low cost, and avoiding systems that create double standards in how people come to this country, do we ensure that the burdens of new mouths to feed comes with the ability of those new mouths to feed their own, and a few others beside.

Posted by: Stephen Daugherty at June 17, 2007 8:22 AM
Comment #223345

Stephen Daugherty-

Your theory is correct, unfortunately in

practice many jobs are going off shore,(lets

say China, just as one reference)! We therefore

must keep the laws that are on the books for many

years. When jobs become available, then an only

than can we allow more immigrants to enter our Country.

The Schools, Hospitals, social Security,

jail an prisons are all over extended as it is!!

Posted by: -DAVID- at June 17, 2007 12:15 PM
Comment #223354


“It also, though, can increase the labor demand. If ten million people showed up on our doorstep tomorrow, they could take up ten million more jobs, but they would also want ten million person’s worth of good and services.”

But this holds true whether the immigrants are legal or illegal.

And while it is true that legal immigrants would have slightly greater leverage in wages, the difference would still only be slight. All in all, I cannot see how such a small change could justify you taking a different position.

Posted by: Zeek at June 17, 2007 5:50 PM
Comment #223478

Linda H….sorry that I didn’t see your post sooner, but I have just returned from California, where I saw all of this up close and personal after being away for over 6 years.
I received that article in my email, but it wasn’t just one of those “forwards” that go out in mass quantities. It came from a friend of mine who is usually pretty cautious about what she sends.
My week back home has only served to strengthen my feelings and opinions about this issue. The entire area around there is absolutely over-run with illegals and I don’t care what a lot of you say, they hang in groups and are rude and obnoxiuos to the “gringos”. I had to call the motel office on two different occasions because they hanging around until all hours of the night, drinking and partying. I finally gave management the option of either dealing with the problem, or I would call INS and let them come in and clean house.
Do I sound mean and hateful??? Well, it took years of watching this move into what was my home for 40 years……and destroy area after area, after area, and just move onto another one to take over.
If the “pro” opinions on here are based on merely what you’ve read, or heard, or feel without having seen it up close, then all I can say is you really need better info than what you’re working with.

Posted by: Sandra Davidson at June 19, 2007 4:54 PM
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