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The Stench at Justice Expands

We can now add Western Michigan’s Margaret Chiara to the list of U.S. Attorneys who have been forced out by the White House and Alberto Gonzales. Watchblog’s American Pundit put two and two together last month when San Diego’s Carol Lam, who helped put Republican crook Duke Cunningham behind bars, was forced out.

Gonzales may insist that no ongoing investigations are being jeopardized, but why then are we seeing the wholesale replacement of their own appointments by Bush loyalists? I smell something rotten.

And then there's the lies, and of couse the innuendo. Sure these positions are by nature political appointments, whose holders serve "at the pleasure of the President". They were appointed originally by this administration and have stepped down gracefully. But Bud Cummins of Eastern Arkansas, the first to go last year to make room for a Karl Rove aide, broke his silence after testimony in January by Deputy Attorney General Paul McNulty, who told the Senate Judiciary Committee that the six U.S. attorneys in the West and Southwest had been dismissed for "performance-related" reasons:

They're entitled to make these changes for any reason or no reason or even for an idiotic reason. But if they are trying to suggest that people have inferior performance to hide whatever their true agenda is, that is wrong. They should retract those statements.
Six of the seven earlier fired attorneys had positive performance reviews. Cummins is scarcely alone in his reaction to McNulty's insulting testimony.

You can visit ePluribusMedia for more fine articles detailing the recent firings and their implications: The Gonzales Seven; Gaming the System; and links to separate articles about each one.

Speculation about Chiara's departure include that it had something to do with previous clashes with the administration on the death penalty which she opposes. From the Grand Rapids Press article:

Federal prosecutors serve at the discretion of the president and may be dismissed for any reason, or no reason at all. Most serve for the duration of the president's term and expect to be replaced when a new party sweeps into office.

"The timing is suspicious for anyone to leave on their own will and in the middle of a term when they were appointed by the sitting president. That alone makes it unusual," [Grand Rapids lawyer, Jon] Muth said. "I can't imagine it being performance-related."

James Brady, a former U.S. attorney for the Western District, is concerned by the possibility Chiara could be connected to the recent dismissals.

"There's no question we're concerned that politics may be involved in these types of decisions," he said. "In the (other forced resignations) there was nothing but praise until some political trouble started."

Chiara opposes capital punishment, although she has vowed to uphold such laws.

The PATRIOT Act has a provision which gives the current Attorney General authority to appoint any provisional replacement U.S. Attorney for the remainder of the Presidential term without Congressional approval. Alberto Gonzales was confirmed in a controversial Senate vote back in January of 2005. He came in with the odor of being a primary architect of the policies that weakened our government's previous strong stance against torture, calling the Geneva Conventions quaint prior to the exposure of the abuses at Abu Ghraib. Even Republican Lindsey Graham of the Senate Judiciary Committe hearings during that confirmation expressed his dismay at a published Gonzales memo, stating:
when you start looking at torture statutes, and you look at ways around the spirit of the law, you're losing the moral high ground
Graham lacked the cojones to stand behind his principles and deny Gonzales' nomination, as he or Arlen Specter or any single Republican had the power to do, in what ended up being a 10-8 committee vote along party lines to forward the nomination to the full Senate.

And now that same morally bankrupt chief law enforcement officer of the land defends his capricious firings of 8 U.S. Attorneys in recent months, on shaky grounds. Gonzales is the one who should be fired. The stench smells from coast to coast.

Posted by Walker Willingham at February 28, 2007 2:26 PM
Comments
Comment #209964

Amen,Walker. Why this isn’t a headline in every paper in the US is beyond me. I guess it doesn’t have tits like Anna Nicole.

Posted by: gergle at February 28, 2007 5:31 PM
Comment #209968

The “Justice Dept.” got out of the justice business the day GW Bush was elected. Hopefully, justice will be restored in January of ‘09. Until then, we have no choice but to bear the inhumanities and indignities and injustice of Abu-Grhaib’s, GITMO, profiling and data mining of American actions and communications, not to mention the inundation of our borders by the likes of Hezbollah and al-Queda across our wide open borders.

Posted by: David R. Remer at February 28, 2007 5:49 PM
Comment #209972

So let me get this straight.

The Bush administration, like every other administration in American history and all 50 governors of all 50 states is appointing to their administration those who share their agenda and firing those who don’t?

What a shock! What corruption!

Posted by: Loyal Opposition at February 28, 2007 6:16 PM
Comment #209986


This administration is totally corrupt and totally immoral. What would have been more shocking is if they weren’t doing things like this. Senator Specter said that Gonzalas went behind his back and had his aids put this provision in the Patriot Act without his knowledge and yet, he has not fired any of those aids. Congress passed the Patriot Act and none of them knew that this provision was in it. Makes you wonder.

L.O.: Apparently you don’t know what has happened here. All of those who have been fired were appointed by Bush and confirmed by the Senate. That is the way it has been done. The President appoints and the Senate confirms. It is just another way the Bush Administration says to hell with the Constitution.

Posted by: jlw at February 28, 2007 7:10 PM
Comment #209993

If Congress passes a law, it’s hardly saying “to hell with the Constitution” if the President behaves in accordance with that law.

If Democrats or others in Congress don’t like it, they can change the law. Democrats control Congress now, after all. That’s what the Constitution provides for.

Saying that they didn’t know what they were voting for in the first place speaks to their own laziness and ineptitude. Any time they want they can correct it by altering the legal framework, or just leave it in place to be used by a Democratic president down the road.

But blaming Bush for the laws they passed and which they have the power to change just looks like whining.

Posted by: Loyal Opposition at February 28, 2007 8:28 PM
Comment #209995

LO, justice was never meant to be a partisan affair. Where in the Constitution does it say Republican justice is superior to any other party’s justice. That was an invention of the Bush administration.

Posted by: David R. Remer at February 28, 2007 8:34 PM
Comment #210008
LO, justice was never meant to be a partisan affair. Where in the Constitution does it say Republican justice is superior to any other party’s justice. That was an invention of the Bush administration.

I have no idea what you’re talking about. Who has ever said that anybody’s “justice” is superior to anybody else’s, and what does that have to do with the laws on the books about who appoints U.S. attorneys? Sounds like some pretty weird spin there on your part.

Posted by: Loyal Opposition at February 28, 2007 9:46 PM
Comment #210010

“The “Justice Dept.” got out of the justice business the day GW Bush was elected.”

(LOL), where were you in the 90s during the OJ and Clinton trials? Whitewater? Bloody glove? Lies to a Grand Jury? You religous types always tickle me.

The Bush administration is no different than any D administration. Since the 1950s we have had (1) sucessful presidency, count ‘em (1) and that was Raegan. The reason? He has been the only president during this time frame that could get Rs and Ds to work for the good of the nation (for the most part). No small feat. Don’t let hate blind you to facts.

Quaestion: When will you Ds get around to asking Hillary why Bill’s intelligence advisors lied to her about Iraq? That ought to be good!

Posted by: curmudgeon-at-large at February 28, 2007 10:01 PM
Comment #210019


L.O.: It was one little line snuck into a very large bill and the Bush people were the only ones that knew it was there. The Democrats do not control Congress and you know that quite well. Even if the Democrats only wanted to remove that one article from the Patriot Act, the Republicans would filabuster it to death and even if they didn’t, Bush would veto.

That problem will work to the Democrats favor later in the year and into the election year after the recession hits and the Republicans are seen as obstructionists.

Posted by: jlw at February 28, 2007 11:02 PM
Comment #210021

Jlw, it kind of makes you wonder what 100 senators and 435 congressmen and the literally thousands of aides working for them do with their time if it isn’t actually READING and COMPREHENDING the bills they’re voting on which determine the structure of our legal system.

If they can’t read or comprehend complicated written material or at least hire somebody to read and comprehend it for them, then they should have jobs more appropriate to their skill sets. Like sitting on papers to keep them from blowing away.

Posted by: Loyal Opposition at February 28, 2007 11:14 PM
Comment #210027

LO-
The difference here is appointment of replacements without senate approval. An additional problem here is that many being kicked out are working on cases that make your party look bad.

Of course, the great irony of all this is that much of what your party has suffered has come of the unwillingness to admit things that make the party look bad. It’s made it very difficult for the party to purge itself of members whose actions bring shame on them.

Posted by: Stephen Daugherty at February 28, 2007 11:39 PM
Comment #210029

Loyal O & Curmudgeon,
Gonzales is on dangerous ground. In the previous 25 years, only three District Attorneys have been forced to resign. Gonzales has just forced out eight. This is extraordinary in and of itself. None of the District Attorneys have been accused of incompetency, and all received good performance evaluations in the past.

Questions can and should be asked.

Posted by: phx8 at March 1, 2007 12:43 AM
Comment #210032

Walker, wonderful article, and good links.

“I smell something rotten.”

Totalitarian fascists are exceedingly rank indeed.

“morally bankrupt chief law enforcement officer of the land defends his capricious firings of 8 U.S. Attorneys in recent months, on shaky grounds. “Gonzales is the one who should be fired.

Yes. But then, this entire administration deserves impeachment and jailtime.

David:
“The “Justice Dept.” got out of the justice business the day GW Bush was elected.”

Agree competely. But of course, justice wasn’t actually there to begin with. Bush wasn’t elected in 2000, he was unconstitutionally appointed by a partisan majority in the Supreme Court. Lawbreaking ushered him into power and has stayed with him every step of the way.

“justice was never meant to be a partisan affair.”

But that is exactly how it is now. Although we can’t really call what Gonzales has given us “justice” at all, can we? Instead, he has given us lawbreaking and crime. He’s the head of Bushco’s Law breaking and Crime Dept. Because all of them are criminals. Strangely though, Pelosi has taken impeachment “off the table” — for partisan reasons also. This is wrong. Every administration who deserves impeachment should get it, and Congress should demand it. Reagan deserved it for Iran/Contra — and his vice president with him, thereby making Bush Senior’s election very unlikely. Clinton deserved it (for Kosovo, not the blowjob, but the GOP didn’t go after that because they love war profiteering), and Bush deserves it — for far too many reasons to even begin to list here.
jlw:
“This administration is totally corrupt and totally immoral.”

Yes, totally.

StephenD:
“The difference here is appointment of replacements without senate approval. An additional problem here is that many being kicked out are working on cases that make your party look bad.”

Yes, no Senate approval — and all because of a line furtively slipped into the Patriot Act that they were never apprised of.
You know, when you think about it, these firings of judges are really kind of a modern-day Saturday Night Massacre — though stretched out over a few months.

Loyal:
“If Congress passes a law, it’s hardly saying “to hell with the Constitution” if the President behaves in accordance with that law.”

The former Republican Congress said the hell with the Constitution on behalf of the Bushco entity who refuses to acknowledge ANY LAWS. They have been and still are violating the Constitution at will — and your party fully aids and supports this.

“The Bush administration is no different than any D administration. “

That’s a lie, and all of you rightwingers know it. You simply can’t and won’t admit it.

“What corruption!”

Worst ever. From the worst president, ever. No, wait. Make that: the Worst administration, ever. That covers all of them — including Gonzales.

Posted by: Adrienne at March 1, 2007 1:17 AM
Comment #210033

curmudgeon-at-large:

“Since the 1950s we have had (1) sucessful presidency, count ‘em (1) and that was Raegan.”

That’s some weed your smoking. Reagan legalized illegal aliens and created one of the biggest deficits ever. All Reagan did was create precedents for the Chimp-In-Chief.

Posted by: Juan dela Cruz at March 1, 2007 2:34 AM
Comment #210037


The irony is that George Bush likes to project a tough man, cowboy, I am the decider image, but Dick Cheney is the most powerful Vice President in the history of America and that tells us a lot about the Weakling in Chief.

Posted by: jlw at March 1, 2007 3:34 AM
Comment #210062

Lo and Curmudgeon,

Is the fear of terrorism, gay rights and abortion that crippling that you would give up your rights so easily?

Is the fear of Mexican immigrants and welfare moms so great that you would roll over and hand over the very things we celebrate that make us Americans?

Is the need to keep oil and energy companies, pharmaceutical comapanies and the MIC happy and rolling in profits worth your civil rights and the potential erosion of our Democratic government?

Is it war mongering, that thrills you to to the point that you become blind to the corruption of our representative government?

Is it the GOP “world domination” model that creates the laid back take my rights please attitude?

What is it?

Why do you defend the whosale dismantling of our Democracy?

Posted by: Andre M. Hernandez at March 1, 2007 10:31 AM
Comment #210064

Fear Andre?
Is it the fear of gun rights, freedom of religion and tax freedom that crippling that you would give up your rights so easily?

Is it the DNC “we know better than you, live your life as we say” model, that creates the laid back take my rights please attitude?

The Dems and the Reps are the same. They both have proven they are corrupt, untrustworthy and take away rights and freedoms.
The problem lies with us, the people.
As long as people only care about losing rights when its “the other side” doing it, nothing will change.

Posted by: kctim at March 1, 2007 11:46 AM
Comment #210071

kctim,

I agree that it is our government as a whole that lacks leadership skills and fails the people who they are supposed to represent.
The Bush admin. and GOP congress are the ones taking away our freedoms.
Name one state that refuses gun ownership.
Name one state the denies you religious freedom.
Name one state that tells their constituency how to live.
Fear tactics and rhetoric are powerful only to those predisposed to bowing to it.
What the GOP has taken is real,not imagined “culture war” nonsense.

Posted by: Andre M. Hernandez at March 1, 2007 12:36 PM
Comment #210076


Although few will admit it, by and large, the common man prefers ignorance over enlightenment and trust over participation. He is also conservative, liberal or bipolar. This is why the propaganda of political parties and religion work so well. This is also why the free market works well.

Posted by: jlw at March 1, 2007 12:53 PM
Comment #210077

Ah yes Andre, only the lefts concerns are real, the rest are “nonsense.”

Lets see. Name one state where gay marriage isn’t legal? Oh, thats right, all of them are like that aren’t they. And they have the support of many on the left to keep it that way to.
Heck, even the lefts shining star right now is against it. Why, about 70-80% of one of the lefts biggest supporting groups, blacks, is against it. Damn those evil righties for that huh.

And abortion is illegal now? Man, Bush and the evil right wing sure don’t keep track of that very well. You can still get one when you want one, even if your a kid.

You will also find a majority of Dems, especially union guys, who worry about illegal immigration. clinton didn’t do anything about it. Bush hasn’t. But yet, its nothing but right wing induced fear. Interesting.

Care to explain just what rights the energy or pharma companies have taken from you?

War-mongering? Around 1995, we were in a war with a country which did not threaten or attack us. Our troops were over in countries which hated us. Our govt was giving nuke secrets to N. Korea. We were shipping suspected terrorists overseas to be tortured. Corruption was rampant.

None of this crap just suddenly began in the year 2000. The sooner you guys realize that, the sooner something productive may happen.

“Name one state that refuses gun ownership.”

ALL of them unless you get the govts approval. You get approval for priviledges not rights.

“Name one state the denies you religious freedom.”

ALL of them. Just try thanking god for your success in school. Or for making you a better judge. Or for making you a better person while you are teaching a state run camp.

“Name one state that tells their constituency how to live”

ALL of them. Smoking? Eating? How to save for your retirement? Who to care about? What to care about?

Its all out there in plain view. The left and right just refuses to acknowledge the rights violations they do not care about.

And all the excuses, reasoning, ignoring, defending and explaining the left has been doing since they got in power shows that nothing is going to change.

Posted by: kctim at March 1, 2007 1:09 PM
Comment #210085

kctim,

“Name one state where gay marriage isn’t legal?”
Alaska, Arkansas, Arizona, Georgia, Hawaii, Kansas, Kentucky, Michigan, Mississippi, Missouri, Montana, Nebraska, Nevada, North Dakota, Ohio, Oklahoma, Oregon, Texas, Utah and many others.

“Name one state that refuses gun ownership.”
A license is needed to get married, drive, practice law etc.

It’s not a refusal. It’s paperwork.

“Name one state the denies you religious freedom.”

The claims made by “Christians” that they are persecuted is laughable.
In 2000 76.5% of Americans who practiced one faith or another claimed to be Christians. In 2001 the number was 159,030,000 (Adult population only) It doesn’t seem like we’re being chased by angry mobs with torches, or hiding in basement services. My Christian church is down right flagrant in announcing it’s presence in the community.

“Name one state that tells their constituency how to live”

“ALL of them. Smoking? Eating? How to save for your retirement? Who to care about? What to care about?”

I live in New York. I smoke (I wish I hadn’t started) I also eat.
Where the hell do live man? They don’t let you smoke or eat. I’ll FEDEX you a sandwich and some cigars.

“The left and right just refuses to acknowledge the rights violations they do not care about.”

Instead of dismissing mine, just add yours to the gripe list. That way it will be an American gripe list and not a left or right one.

Posted by: Andre M. Hernandez at March 1, 2007 2:08 PM
Comment #210095

Thats just it Andre, I don’t dismiss the lefts concerns, but I also do not dismiss the rights concerns.
You don’t see any of the violations I listed because you do not care.

And you completely missed the point with gay marriage. No matter how much you want it to be an evil “right-wing” Christian thing, its not. Not allowing gays to marry at this time is a feeling which is shared by both sides of the isle. That is the reason for my Obama and the black vote example above.

“A license is needed to get married, drive, practice law etc”

Thats because those aren’t Constitutional rights. Gun ownership is.

It is your partisanship which doesn’t allow you to see just how often people must tread on water to show love for their religion.
I am an atheist and I see it.

“That way it will be an American gripe list and not a left or right one”

I already do that. Its those of you who insist things will change if only the Dems were in charge that need to do it. But since you guys know whats best for us and how we should live our lives, I doubt that one will ever be made.

Posted by: kctim at March 1, 2007 3:55 PM
Comment #210161

Walker, have you heard about this latest development?:

A House Judiciary subcommittee approved today the first in what is expected to be an avalanche of subpoenas to Bush administration officials. They will likely explore corruption and mismanagement allegations on everything from pre-war Iraq intelligence to the mishandling of the response to Hurricane Katrina.

The first round of subpoenas concern the recent controversial firings by the Bush administration of seven U.S. attorneys, some of whom were pursuing public corruption cases against Republican members of Congress.

Here’s the link to the full article.

Posted by: Adrienne at March 2, 2007 1:46 AM
Comment #210163

Oh, if only !!!
Good job, Adrienne !! and, .. I’ve been following your questions and comments on the post looking for new editors… nothing like a pure and unbiased democratic, Democratic site.

Posted by: Sandra Davidson at March 2, 2007 2:33 AM
Comment #210178

kctim: Gun ownership by private individuals is not a constitutional right. This point of law was made clear by the U.S. Supreme Court over a century ago. The 2nd Amendment says nothing about private ownership of guns. However, there is a 14th Amendment argument that can be made for private ownership of guns.

However, there is problem with a 14th Amendment argument: the 14th Amendment creates equal rights for all persons, something the right has fought tooth and nail since the 1870s. In fact, Dubya’s favorite judge, Janice Rogers Brown, rejects the 14th Amendment…. you don’t want African Americans, women, and gay folk to have equal rights, now do we?

It seems real justice that the right’s bigotry is more important that private gun ownership.

And a point of fact: polling shows that anywhere from 53 - 58% of Americans support gay marriage and those numbers have been increasing and continue to increase with each passing year. It is comforting to know that a majority of Americans are not as bigoted as the minority of Americans. The GOP’s days of “law and order” (aka, get the African Americans) politics ended when a majority of Americans refused to be bigots when it came to race. The GOP’s days of “family values” (aka, get the gays) politics is ending even sooner for the same reason. Thank God!

The question is: What new form of bigotry will the GOP cook up next?

Posted by: Allen at March 2, 2007 11:07 AM
Comment #210179

kctim:

And another thing: Marriage is a constitutional right under the 1st and 14th Amendments as well as under Common Law. However, marriage is and can be regulated (as many constitutional rights are) in so far as the regulation serves a compelling state interest. This is why the faux-Christian right is so intent on getting a constitutional amendment banning gay marriage as there is no compelling state interest in barring gay marriage.

Posted by: Allen at March 2, 2007 11:18 AM
Comment #210185

kctim,

This is about the rights that are being taken from us that hurt all of us.
habeas corpus.
Wire-tapping
Data mining.
Extraordinary rendition.
Erosion of checks and balances.
Signing statements.

It’s Bush and recent GOP policies that hurt both hunters and gays, Liberals and Conservatives.

Doctoring inteligence to attack other countries.
Allowing wealthy corporations to draw up policy for their profit at the expense of the American people. (oil/energy, Pharmaceutical Presc. Drg. Policy)
Assigning idiots to posts that are in place to keep Americans safe(see. Homeland Security)
The list goes on. These issues touch us all. Gays don’t(Joking)

We will be paying for this horrible mess for a long time.
This is not a Republican problem in need of a Democratic fix.
These are American problems caused by this administration that require a strong federal govertnment to fix. We do not have a strong federal government and therefore we must impeach this administration, jail them and vote out politicians who do not represent us.
You want guns, vote for it. You want to find the genome that eliminates gayness, vote for those who will do the research.(Joking) You want people to stop telling you what to eat and what to smoke, vote for those who will do that for you, but don’t expect everyone in your town, city or state to agree with you. Don’t criticize those who do not share your view. You are free to move where people do share them.
I don’t care about gun freedom as much as you do. I don’t hunt.
I don’t care about two consenting adults doing whatever they want in their bedroom.
I love my god but I don’t need to share it with everyone or force them to listen.

Posted by: Andre M. Hernandez at March 2, 2007 12:39 PM
Comment #210188

Allen, there is one compelling state interest in banning gay marriage - they are all in bed with the insurance industry and they are against it because they would then have to cover the same-sex spouses as they do hetero marriages. This issue shows how Bush & co. have manipulated the religious right to serve big money contributors. He has convinced all the evangelicals that Jesus would have hated gay marriage so he can serve the interests of the insurance lobby.

OK all you religious righties - Jesus could not have cared less if gay people get married or not. It is between the involved parties and their god you are not involved in this equation so stay out of it. Someone else’s marriage is absolutely none of your business and has absolutely no effect on your life except that you all apparently like to stick your noses where they don’t belong. You are not welcome in my marraige as you should not be in same sex couples who desire to enjoy the fruits of matrimony.

Posted by: Tom Snediker at March 2, 2007 12:42 PM
Comment #210189

Allen
You are barking up the wrong tree my friend.
I strongly support gay marriage and have stated so many times on here.
It is amusing that you blame (as the left loves to do with almost every issue) the “Christian right.”
One of the lefts largest voting blocks is black Americans. Something like 90+ percent of them vote Dem don’t they. When the gay marriage amendments were going through the state Constitution votes, it was reported that 70-80 some percent of black Americans were against gay marriage and voted against allowing them to marry.
Think how high that 53-58% of approval for gay marriage statistic you quoted would jump if the left could convince their own voters to support it.

Just more proof that the “stench” people smell is coming from both sides of the isle.

So, go on believing some evil right wing Christians are responsible for all of Americas problems if you want, but it won’t solve anything. This issue crosses party lines and the answer is to respect and better understand both sides of it.

What the 2nd Amendment has become and what it meant, are now two different things. When/if an editor posts about it, I would love to get into it some.
But, people who question what they are told to think, asks for facts, or doesn’t believe that Bush is the cause of everything wrong in the world and that the evil Republican Christians are trying to take over the world, they are accussed of “derailing” the thread.
I’d hate to “derail” a thread by asking for facts and questioning theory’s based on opinions.

Posted by: kctim at March 2, 2007 12:48 PM
Comment #210192

kctim,

I never said you were derailing anything. I am saying that some, let’s call them Dem. causes I don’t get behind because they’re ridiculous or harmful. Welfare, child rapists recover if treated etc.
There are, Rep. issues I don’t care about also, prayer in school, tax breaks for the rich etc.

What is happening now is circumventing the law, the constitution and our civil rights.
It’s something we should all care about.

It’s what makes all Americans , well….American.
These are not being done by Dems.(currently) It’s Bush and Rep Congress.

Posted by: Andre M. Hernandez at March 2, 2007 1:11 PM
Comment #210193

“Don’t criticize those who do not share your view. You are free to move where people do share them.

habeas corpus.
Wire-tapping
Data mining.
Extraordinary rendition.
Erosion of checks and balances.
Signing statements.”

So are you.
And for every one person who believes losing rights they don’t “care about” is no big deal, there is somebody who doesn’t “care” about losing rights you do care for.
You don’t care about guns, getting rid of the 2nd Amendment would make you feel safer.
Another person doesn’t care about their privacy, so lets ban that part of the 4th Amendment so that they feel safer.

So tell me, what would be more effective?
The left and right fighting against each other to keep only the rights and freedoms they agree with.
OR
The left and right fighting together to keep ALL of our rights?

Its not about having a govt that believes in the Constitution and works to you guys. Its about having a govt that believes the same as you do and works how you want it to. To hell with others believe different than you.

“I love my god but I don’t need to share it with everyone or force them to listen”

I love helping people, but I don’t need to share it with everyone or force them to help.

“Someone else’s marriage is absolutely none of your business and has absolutely no effect on your life except that you all apparently like to stick your noses where they don’t belong”

Why doesn’t the left apply that same logic to those who wish to own a gun?
You guys would have won in 2000 and 2004 if you would have.

Posted by: kctim at March 2, 2007 1:16 PM
Comment #210195

Well Andre, I believe you and probably Rocky will be a couple of the very few who will hold the Dems to the same standards they hold the Reps too now.
Its cyclic. In 09, the Reps will be complaining and the Dems will be quiet.

Perhaps our biggest difference is that you concentrate on the Reps because Bush is President and I concentrate on govt as a whole. I really don’t see anything ever changing until people work together against govt instead of being against each other.

Posted by: kctim at March 2, 2007 1:26 PM
Comment #210196

kctim,

I don’t want you to agree with me. I don’t have to agree with you.
I believe what I believe. That does not make you unpatriotic, a bad American or anything else. Me either. We’re different. We’re American. I am concerned with my rights being stomped on. I always will.
Good luck with the gun thing. I’m glad you like to help people.
Remember we’re all different. We don’t have to see eye to eye to be friends and countrymen.

Posted by: Andre M. Hernandez at March 2, 2007 1:30 PM
Comment #210222

There was a time when a new Administration came to Washington and brought the brightest and the best in their fields to either run or help run the many agencies of the government. With the Bush Administration they brought only loyalist and hacks who had no idea what they were doing.
Only 20 months till we can elect a President who must reverse 8 years of incompetant bungling and downright stupid governing.

Posted by: C.T. Rich at March 2, 2007 4:54 PM
Comment #210221

There was a time when a new Administration came to Washington and brought the brightest and the best in their fields to either run or help run the many agencies of the government. With the Bush Administration they brought only loyalist and hacks who had no idea what they were doing.
Only 20 months till we can elect a President who must reverse 8 years of incompetant bungling and downright stupid governing.

Posted by: C.T. Rich at March 2, 2007 4:54 PM
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