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Yay! Protest Songs

I’ve been disappointed in the lack of good protest songs over the last few years. Sure, musicians have spoken out against the war in Iraq or against the President’s handling of it, but I don’t hear them singing about it on the radio.

Is it that the corporate music machine only wants to churn out safe, sure-fire hits? Is it because most Americans don't have a personal stake in the war? Are kids today just too completely apathetic to care?

Maybe it's because I listen to lame radio stations. The only protest song I've heard is John Mayer's "Waiting on the World to Change" and frankly it disgusts me. Are young people really so passive? Dude, you don't wait for the world to change -- you get up off your scrawny whiney butt and change it.

Anyhow, I was clicking the Google ads on my web site, trying to make myself a rich Republican, and I ran across Josh Ritter's "A Girl in the War" and it kicked my ass. You can download the studio version from his website.

So, the good stuff is out there. Maybe I do just listen to lame radio. Anyone else got some cool protest tunes?

Posted by American Pundit at February 16, 2007 10:33 PM
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The only thing I can think of Neil Young’s “Let impeach the president”. I liked that one.

Posted by: Max at February 16, 2007 11:21 PM
Comment #208503

Cast a spell
Cast a spell on the country you run
And risk
You will risk
You will risk all their lives and their souls

Oh, our freedom”s consuming itself
What we”ve become
Is contrary to what we want
Take a bow

Muse, “Take a Bow,” Black Holes & Revelations, 2006

They play this as their concert encore.

Posted by: phx8 at February 16, 2007 11:28 PM
Comment #208508


We’d hear many more “anti-war” songs if the cost of this fiasco were truly spread among all Americans. As it is we call our troops “volunteers” although I doubt very many ‘volunteered” for unlimited tours of duty! Or extended tours!

The Neo-cons want us to believe that debating the war in congress harms troop morale. Well, what do each of you think is more damaging to morale? Having to serve longer than you ever imagined, or having someone argue that you should come home?

The recent debates in the House and Senate piss me off. Someone should just say: “Put your sons and daughters where your f***ing mouth is! Reinstate the draft!”

Hells bells we won’t even put our money where our mouth is! We prefer indebting our children and grandchildren. This is “war on the cheap”!

Fighting them there so we don’t have to pay here.

Posted by: KansasDem at February 16, 2007 11:50 PM
Comment #208509

Here is a link to the video of the Muse song:

The group vaguely resembles the operatic, heavy metal style of Queen. This song condemns an unnamed leader to burn in hell.

Although it was done in 1998, “Amused to Death” by Roger Waters is about as good as it gets when it comes to anti-war songs.

Posted by: phx8 at February 16, 2007 11:59 PM
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I think Green Day and the Dixie Chicks have made anti war statements as well.

Posted by: gergle at February 17, 2007 12:41 AM
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Besides the fact that there aren’t too many cool word that rymn with Iraq?

I kind of feel sorry for Gen. etc. Us boomers always pretty much dominated things. We are used to getting our way and will continue doing so till we start dropping in droves.Leaves them feeling pretty helpless.But then again the first causualty of the Iraq invasion was from a fragging. The spirit lives on.

Posted by: BillS at February 17, 2007 1:51 AM
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Songs As The Anti-War Message

“As in many movements throughout history, music of the Vietnam era served as a rallying cry and a cause for action. However, it was not necessarily the music but the message. It was a form of communication that served as an uniting factor for a population that felt disenfranchised, much like the blacks during the civil rights movement. The message brought out emotions that made you feel angry. While the war had a numbing effect on everyone under the age of 30, the music would bring out the emotions of fear and anger that brought about the need to do something about it.

We are political animals and are involved in political actions on a daily basis from issues such as civil rights or war to the school or the office. Political messages have been in song forever. The War Between the States was loaded with songs and messages on both sides of the mason-dixon line. During World Wars I & II, there were a number of messages in song that praised the war effort. During the Vietnam War, there were songs that glorified the war effort as well, such as ‘Ballad of the Green Berets’.

An even more fundamental point is that a political message in a song is not any different than free speech guaranteed under the US Constitution. As long as there is a cause or an event that provokes emotions, there will be songs and rhetorical speeches on both ends of any issue.

If one would even go back to the complacent 50’s, there were protests over the atomic bomb in the ‘Ban The Bomb’ movement. I believe that the antiwar protests and the music associated with them were because of a single issue… the Vietnam War. However, even if there were a different cause, protest music would have sprung up. There was a new generation evolving from the ‘baby boom’ after World War II who didn’t like the inequities of the ‘system’ and the exclusion of certain populations within US society. This generation was tired of the rhetoric of seeing ‘commies’ behind every bush and the war mentality that permeated society. By getting involved in the civil rights movement and the free speech movement, it was just a matter of time before a single issue would unite the ‘boomers’.

The music then served as a catalyst that united this generation against war and in particular against the Vietnam War. Vietnam was on every young mans tongue and could be found everywhere…in the newspapers, radio, television movies, and magazines. Friends and neighbors were being drafted into the military, going to Vietnam and not returning. This hit home like a ton of bricks. Boys my age did not want to die for a cause that couldn’t be defined nor did they want to be in a war…any war… that did not effect the freedom of the United States. So in essence, the music and the message was born generally because of the knowledge that war was not a solution to world problems, but specifically because of Vietnam and the thought of dying for a cause that could not be in any form, matter, or substance, be justified”.
A few friends, a dark room with a black light, and a never-ending stash of …….ahhh…those were the days….and we’ll never see that kind of passion and determination again.

Posted by: Sandra Davidson at February 17, 2007 2:30 AM
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I’ve heard a few old ones trotted out… Christmas in the Trenches by John McCutcheon being a big one that I heard played back around the holidays.

Posted by: Jarandhel at February 17, 2007 7:42 AM
Comment #208522

Pink has a really good one. I can’t remember the bands name but go to google type in asshole and hit I feel lucky. Neil Youngs new album is all anti-war. They just don’t get much air play I wonder why?

Posted by: Jeff at February 17, 2007 8:01 AM
Comment #208529


I immeadiately thought of this tune I picked up off an NPR Saturday night music program last fall. It is by John Prine who also kicked out at least one and maybe a few Vietnam protest songs. I am posting the lyrics. The kicker is towards the end. I bought it from Itunes and really like the song itself.

* Fair And Square

song notes

Some Humans Ain’t Human
© John Prine

Mmmm Mmmm
Mmmm Mmmm
Mmmm Mmmm
Mmmm Mmmm

Some humans ain’t human
Some people ain’t kind
You open up their hearts
And here’s what you’ll find
A few frozen pizzas
Some ice cubes with hair
A broken Popsicle
You don’t want to go there

Some humans ain’t human
Though they walk like we do
They live and they breathe
Just to turn the old screw
They screw you when you’re sleeping
They try to screw you blind
Some humans ain’t human
Some people ain’t kind

You might go to church
And sit down in a pew
Those humans who ain’t human
Could be sittin’ right next to you
They talk about your family
They talk about your clothes
When they don’t know their own ass
From their own elbows

Jealousy and stupidity
Don’t equal harmony
Jealousy and stupidity
Don’t equal harmony

Mmmm Mmmm
Mmmm Mmmm
Mmmm Mmmm
Mmmm Mmmm

Have you ever noticed
When you’re feeling really good
There’s always a pigeon
That’ll come shit on your hood

Or you’re feeling your freedom
And the world’s off your back
Some cowboy from Texas
Starts his own war in Iraq

Some humans ain’t human
Some people ain’t kind
They lie through their teeth
With their head up their behind
You open up their hearts
And here’s what you’ll find
Some humans ain’t human
Some people ain’t kind

Mmmm Mmmm
Mmmm Mmmm
Mmmm Mmmm
Mmmm Mmmm
Mmmm Mmmm
Mmmm Mmmm

Posted by: ILdem at February 17, 2007 10:18 AM
Comment #208530

I agree with KansasDem that if we had a draft there would suddenly be a lot of protests. The Republicans learned that one good during Vietnam. The cost estimate of this war is 2 trillion dollars at a high end. Let’s be conservative and say it costs 1 trillion. A trillion dollars is enough money to do anything. Enough to feed the world. Enough to set up Americans with the best healthcare systems and infrastructure on the planet. What’s more costly, investing in ourselves or investing in conquest?

Posted by: Max at February 17, 2007 10:46 AM
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No doubt ourselves. Lets take care of business here at home. Secure our borders and ports, properly supply and reorganize our military, take care of health care, soc sec, energy dependance issues, global warming etc. And probably of most immeadiate urgency reestablish diplomatic honor with the rest of the world thru thoughtful, intelligent and non violent leadership practices. Non violent except when absolutely necesary.

I think most will agree that the fight against terrorism will go on for a long time and our presence in the middle east is not going to have any effect other than to exacerbate the violence due to our presence in a region we are not welcome in.

Posted by: ILdem at February 17, 2007 11:45 AM
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“……and it’s one, two, three, four, what in the hell are we fighting for?”
Still the same questions from a lot of us, but one consistant answer..we have an idiot in charge!

Posted by: Sandra Davidson at February 17, 2007 12:40 PM
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Most of the anti war protesters “look” like retreads from the 60’s enjoying a reunion of sorts. It’s not anything like the 60’s which was far more a youth orientated protest. “Hell no, we wont go”.

One thing the youth are doing, is signing up for duty. In the sixties the youth were burning draft cards. Today the Army and Marines are meeting their recruitment goals.

I understand what the opinion polls are saying, but with actions (signing up for combat duty is a pretty strong action), young people are supporting the war effort. Or at least enough of them are to run the war.

So 60’s retreads are the visable energy in the anti war protests. Young people are the energy in the war effort by signing up for duty. Interesting.


Posted by: Craig Holmes at February 17, 2007 12:42 PM
Comment #208545


I believe that large sign up bonuses may have a lot to do with the recruitment levels. I personally know five young people who signed up. All exclusively for the very tempting bonuses. A few to help pay off school loans and the rest just to give them a jump start in life. I am not so sure this is reflective of signing up out of patriotic values. I am sure that there are those who do so. But I do wonder what the true percentages are.

Posted by: ILdem at February 17, 2007 12:53 PM
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Just checking for some figures for recruitment incentives…this site posts nearly 2 year-old info, but gives an idea of what it is taking to fill out our military these days.
This is all a little off subject, but have you wondered how much Canada’s population might swell if a draft is reinstated????? Be interesting, at the least, to see how different the opinions may be today……

Posted by: Sandra Davidson at February 17, 2007 1:31 PM
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I’ve heard that lots of bands have been recording anti-war songs and even videos about this war, but for some reason they often aren’t getting played on the radio or music video channels. That means they’re not being allowed to top the music charts. I’m not sure why this would be happening. Maybe it’s because the corporations don’t want to deal with the fall out the gung-ho flag wavers would give them over it? Or perhaps it’s just a good ol’ fashioned, modern-day McCarthyite-style blacklisting? I really don’t know. Seems like only when someone super famous like Neil Young makes an album with nothing but anti-war songs then maybe it’ll get a little bit of play — but not much, and not for very long either.

You can click on this link to listen/read to one of my anti-Iraq war favorites from incomparable British musician Billy Bragg:
Bush War Blues
Channeling Leadbelly there, I believe.

Also, here’s another from him:
The Price of Oil

Dar Williams wrote a good one too: Empire

Btw, while I agree that the 1960’s gave birth to a huge number of great protest songs, punk rock was/is also loaded with great ones too, IMO. Practically every song ever written by the Dead Kennedy’s was a protest song! :^) One of my favorites (though it’s the lighter side of punk) is Elvis Costello and the Attractions ‘What’s So Funny About Peace Love and Understanding?’

Posted by: Adrienne at February 17, 2007 3:34 PM
Comment #208566

But my point still stands.

This is very different from the Viet Nam war. In the 60’s the protest were led by the young. They currently “look” like they are led by the exact same people just 40 years older.

What “looks” remarkable about todays young people is that they are signing up for service instead of burning draft cards.

I guess one benefit of the war is it gives the has beens a chance to relive their past. It will gross me out if I see tie dy shirts over their beer bellies though!!



Posted by: Craig Holmes at February 17, 2007 3:57 PM
Comment #208570

As a long time country music fan, I see a silver lining in the Dixie Chicks debate.

All those people who generally would think country music below their cool tastes, now have embraced it for political reasons.

Those of us who were country music fans when country wasn’t cool are glad to welcome you to the old barn, even if the motivations are wrong. Maybe you will get to like it and stay after the PC is forgotten.

BTW - country music is America’s music.

Posted by: Jack at February 17, 2007 4:22 PM
Comment #208574

“country music is America’s music.”

I guess that makes Jazz, and R&B, and Rock ‘N’ Roll relegated to HUAC or something?

Posted by: Adrienne at February 17, 2007 4:55 PM
Comment #208575


Those are fine categories, just less popular. We have something to appeal to all tastes (or lack).

Posted by: Jack at February 17, 2007 5:00 PM
Comment #208576


article in the economist, Some 45m Americans tune in to country-music radio stations each week. In the heartland, no other genre comes close.

It goes on to say that Once they pass a certain age, most Americans stop worrying about being cool. This is often when they start (or go back to) listening to country music. That fits my demographic. Cool jazz just doesn’t do that. R&B gives me a headache. Ozzy Osbourn & Keith Richards are dead, they just ain’t buried.

Posted by: Jack at February 17, 2007 5:10 PM
Comment #208577

Jack… All I would listen to was country but then some S#%t head named toby keith started his rants about being unamerican bla bla bla now I doin’t think I will ever go back. I turned to classic rock to relive my tie dye days.

Posted by: Jeff at February 17, 2007 5:16 PM
Comment #208582


I think what gives country its energy and why it gets not enough respect AND why it is so loudly American is its blue collar, working man roots.

YOu can like it or not, but you do not have to aquire a taste for it. It also does not have all the swearing and anti-social crap that has overtaken so much of popular music today.

Posted by: Jack at February 17, 2007 5:51 PM
Comment #208586

Country music receives no respect because most- not all, but most- deserves no respect. It is formulaic and creatively bankrupt. A lot of people listen to country music, but then again a lot of people like to eat large portions of bad food.

Korn, Moby, Goldfrapp, Muse, Flaming Lips- there is a lot of great music going on right now, the best in the long time. It is creative, technologically cutting edge, melodic, with intelligent and poetic lyrics- and all the ones just mentioned are likely to get even better.

Do they produce protest songs? Not really. If the sacrifices of war are ever shared among the larger population (beyond the abstract deficits and debts and knowing someone who went) then we might see more activism.

Posted by: phx8 at February 17, 2007 6:20 PM
Comment #208588


I so enjoy an occasional country tune. So long as it is not twangy crying in your beer music. That stuff is just depressing. I started out on rock and roll and have evolved to all types of music. I try to keep an open mind where music is concerned. However I no longer particularly care for music that is not aestethically pleasing. Younger people tend to listen to music that has a message regardless of aesthetics. But as we get older our music needs transend into a means of relaxation, joy, somber times and just about anything that makes our feet and fingers tap. Music is good stuff for the soul. I would encourage all who have the time and desire to avoid becoming musically shallow. Give it all a chance and I am willing to bet that they will find much that is enjoyable.

Posted by: ILdem at February 17, 2007 6:29 PM
Comment #208592

phx8, I agree on both counts. Lots of great music being recorded these days. And I agree that most modern country music seems really boring and crappy and formulaic to me too. However I’ve always appreciated older country music though. I love Hank Williams, Patsy Kline, Johnny Cash, etc. Great classic stuff. And I’ve got a real soft spot for really good Bluegrass and Old Time mountain music, also.

“I started out on rock and roll and have evolved to all types of music.”

Same here. I listen to ALL kinds of music, it really all depends on my mood.

“Music is good stuff for the soul.”

Agree completely!!!
And since I’m married to a musician, I’d better feel that way!:^)

Posted by: Adrienne at February 17, 2007 6:58 PM
Comment #208593

Gorillaz, Dandy Warhols, Beck- if anyone has not heard of these groups or the ones I mentioned earlier, find a young person with a iPod, or listen to it on the web. There is great stuff going on!

Posted by: phx8 at February 17, 2007 6:59 PM
Comment #208595

“Cold Hard Truth” by George Jones stops me in my tracks, and yeah, Delbert McClintock rocks. And sure, Hank Williams & Johnny Cash are classic, along with many others. Growing up I spent some time near Nashville, listening to a lot of Grand Ole Oprey. But times changed, and country music turned into a commercialized, formulaic enterprise. If you ever watch the country videos, they are appalling, every bit as bad as many of the rap videos. Rap could be a powerful vehicle for great protest music, but I have yet to see it really happen on any kind of consistent basis.

Posted by: phx8 at February 17, 2007 7:07 PM
Comment #208596

Jack… I am as blue collar and midwest [MO.] as you can get. I make a living working for a public works.

Posted by: Jeff at February 17, 2007 7:07 PM
Comment #208598

phx8, our tastes must be similar. Ever hear of The Shins (American) and The Doves (UK)? If not, check ‘em out.

Posted by: Adrienne at February 17, 2007 7:08 PM
Comment #208601

The Decembrists, Postal Service, Kasabian, Ladytron… By the way, the Decembrists do a pretty good protest song, “16 military wives.” I would not be surprised to see them go more activist. And highly recommeded, Adrienne, “Dub Side of the Moon” by Easy Street All Stars. Jamaican reggae stars cover “Dark Side of the Moon,” and it is just terrific. Yes, I have some of the Shins & the Doves on iTunes, listening to “Sky Starts Falling” right now.

Posted by: phx8 at February 17, 2007 7:18 PM
Comment #208602


“Same here. I listen to ALL kinds of music, it really all depends on my mood.”

One of the great things about being musically versatile is that we can always find something to fit the mood. Many people don’t have any idea what they are missing by not opening up those musical doors. I don’t listen to radio much anymore so am not really up to date per say. But I do pick up a lot of new stuff I like via my son who does listen a lot. And by the way I taught him to be open minded also. Him and I often share a mutual smile when questioned by one of our friends as to what the hell we are listening to because it may not be mainstream music. I just smile and tell them it is their loss. If you don’t mind I am curious as to what type of musician your husband is.

Posted by: ILdem at February 17, 2007 7:27 PM
Comment #208614

I think Craig Holmes beats his wife.Than joins his buddy Jack at the local pub.Where they dance with the town whore.Then they take her ugly ass out back,where they fuck her.

Posted by: the libertine at February 17, 2007 8:50 PM
Comment #208617


I have been married to the same woman since 1982 and have no need of that sort of female companionship. Besides, I do not dance anymore. It makes it rain.

Posted by: Jack at February 17, 2007 8:56 PM
Comment #208620


Yikes, I try to be so careful when I post!!

Posted by: womanmarine at February 17, 2007 9:01 PM
Comment #208626

phx8 — love The Decemberists. We really do have similar tastes in the indy/alternative stuff! Love reggae and dub also — I’ll have to check that song out.

“Him and I often share a mutual smile when questioned by one of our friends as to what the hell we are listening to because it may not be mainstream music. I just smile and tell them it is their loss.”

That’s wonderful that you share your love of music with each other. One thing I could never do with my own folks — well, aside from celtic music, though we do have other interests we share. By the way, I know what you mean about friends and their comments! I have one friend who once told me that our music collection is psychotically diverse! :^) Personally I think it’s kind of weird to pick one genre and own nothing but that, but then that’s me…

“If you don’t mind I am curious as to what type of musician your husband is.”

He’s a guitar player. He’s in two different bands playing surf instrumental guitar. One he’s been in about a year is called the Meshugga Beach Party. Kinda schicky — but fun. He plays rhythm guitar in that band. The other is his own band The TomorrowMen — they’re just starting out, but here’s a link to one of my favorite songs of theirs on YouTube: Chronosurf That’s from a gig they played at the Hotel Utah in San Francisco. He plays lead in that band and most of the songs are his own originals, including that one.

Don’t worry, you don’t have to like it! ;^)

Posted by: Adrienne at February 17, 2007 9:16 PM
Comment #208627

Is it a Dick Dale & the Del-Tones style?

Posted by: phx8 at February 17, 2007 9:23 PM
Comment #208629

Jack lets try and keep your head out Craigs ass.

Posted by: the libertine at February 17, 2007 9:32 PM
Comment #208632

System of a Down has made really good Anti-War songs.Gnarls Barkley is real good,i do not know if they have an Anti-War songs.I always liked Donovan to.The Bangles are real good to.

Posted by: the libertine at February 17, 2007 9:47 PM
Comment #208633

Adrienne, I loved Hava Nagila. A perfect marriage of sex wax and kosher pickles:-)

Posted by: gergle at February 17, 2007 9:48 PM
Comment #208635

“Is it a Dick Dale & the Del-Tones style?”

Yes — well sort of. My husband’s music reflects his punk rock youth too though, IMO. The Surf genre encompasses a lot these days. As for Dick Dale, the man invented instrumental surf back in the early 60’s — and he’s still going strong too. Pretty amazing.

Posted by: Adrienne at February 17, 2007 9:55 PM
Comment #208637

“A perfect marriage of sex wax and kosher pickles:-)”

:^D I love that! I’ll be passing that one along! Thanks.

Posted by: Adrienne at February 17, 2007 9:57 PM
Comment #208638

I liked N.W.As(Fuck the Police).

Posted by: the libertine at February 17, 2007 9:58 PM
Comment #208639

Ice Teas(Cop Killer)kicks ass.

Posted by: the libertine at February 17, 2007 10:03 PM
Comment #208645

I like Marylin Manson,he just gives the Christo-Fascist heart attacks.

Posted by: the libertine at February 17, 2007 10:15 PM
Comment #208647

I think that we should behead every Christo-Fascist in this country.

Posted by: the libertine at February 17, 2007 10:26 PM
Comment #208649


Grinning. You sure are militant in how you present your peace position.

The demonstrations are very different than the sixties. I think it is that way for two reasons:

1. No draft.

2. Less than 10% of the casualties.

I think the fact that we have an all volunteer army makes a huge difference.


Posted by: Craig Holmes at February 17, 2007 10:39 PM
Comment #208650

I don’t know if it because the singer/writers do not want to do anti-war/bush songs or the stations are afraid to play them. Remember everything now days is suppose to be PC. Don’t spank your kids, don’t call people names, don’t tell a illegal they don’t get any money for welfare or ss, DON’T TELL A REPUBLICAN that his party sucks and got us involved in a Civil War.
Remember to always be careful not to hurt anybody’s feeling even if they are wrong.

Posted by: KT at February 17, 2007 10:40 PM
Comment #208652

That is an interesting observation. Radio stations and the mainstream media are owned by large corporations, and their message supports a corporate perspective, one usually supportive of Bush.

However, the upcoming generation, young people in their teens & 20s who are affluent enough to have access to technology, do not listen to radio or watch the MSM. Instead, music is passed around through word of mouth (or word of IM), iPods, music & video on home computers, and live concerts.

Because the affluent members of this upcoming generation are not affected by Iraq, and do not need the money bad enough to volunteer, there just are not that many protest songs. They know Iraq is a disaster- but on a personal basis, it is not their problem, at least as long as there is no draft.

Less affluent members of the generation still watch the MSM, and it is no coincidence that almost the only music videos to receive much play are for country music and rap. These genres rely upon different mediums for transmission, and generally appeal to different economic groups with lower levels of education.

Speculation on my part, I know…

Posted by: phx8 at February 17, 2007 11:14 PM
Comment #208653

Rilo Kiley
from More Adventerous
“It’s a Hit”

“Any chimp can play human for a day.
Use his opposable thumbs to iron his uniform,
and run for office on election day,
fancy himself a real decision maker,
and deploy more troops than salt shakers.

But it’s a jungle when war is made,
and you’ll panic and throw your own shit at the enemy.
The camera pulls back to reveal your true identity.
Look, it’s a sheep in wolf’s clothing.
A smoking gun holding ape. “

Posted by: Doug Langworthy at February 17, 2007 11:23 PM
Comment #208654


Meshugga Beach Party.
Freaking hysterical.

Posted by: Rocky at February 17, 2007 11:25 PM
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Good example. Jenny Lewis from Rilo Kiley sang back-up & toured with the Postal Service, which was a collaborative band centered around a member of Death Cab for Cutie.

Posted by: phx8 at February 17, 2007 11:39 PM
Comment #208656
I think what gives country its energy…is its blue collar, working man roots.

LOL! Jack, you support policies that hurt blue collar working men and women, yet you like the music. That reminds me of the rich white folk who who used to go slumming in Harlem just to hear the jazz.

So there’s about five or six protest songs plus Neil Young’s album. I think phx8’s right — unless there’s a draft, the youngsters won’t care. They’ll just keep waitin’ on the world to chage, I guess.

Posted by: American Pundit at February 17, 2007 11:50 PM
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I grew up with it. My father and all my relatives were blue collar workers. I was a member of the Longshoreman Union for four years.

I believe the free market is the best thing for all Americans. Although U.S. industrial production is at an all time high and production as a % of the economy is greater today than it was a decade ago, many traditional unskilled blue collar jobs have been automated out of existence. The sons and daughters of the post WWII blue collar generation are probably more like me than my (or their) fathers. It does not mean that we do not work or care about working.

A policy that preserves the old fashioned jobs is just silly. I worked twelve hour shifts at very hard labor that tore apart men’s bodies. It is better if we can move to more skilled and less physically stressful jobs.

Posted by: Jack at February 18, 2007 12:14 AM
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Meshugga Beach Party! I love it. And talk about creativity. The mix of comedy and surf music is a great twist. I get a good laugh and get to listen to some fantastic guitar. It brings back visions of my testosterone years and pulp fiction. I think I am going to order it. I am listening to the whole album right now. I will get back to you on the other group as soon as I get a chance to check it out. Right now I am typing looking at the snow outside my window and imagineing being on the beach. Thanks for the warm mood!

Posted by: ILdem at February 18, 2007 10:21 AM
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“This is all a little off subject, but have you wondered how much Canada’s population might swell if a draft is reinstated????? Be interesting, at the least, to see how different the opinions may be today……”

I heard a talk program a few summers ago on NPR that was about recruitment problems due to the Iraqi war. These issues may have been addressed by now but they went something like this.

Army and marine recruiter AWOL’s were at an alltime high. The reasons being that there was so much pressure on them to perform that they were stooping to unethical practices to keep up with quota’s. They were being sued by childrens parents for going into high schools and coercing 17 year olds to make a committment without approval of their parents. Apparently to many the troubles were just not worth the efforts and they found going AWOL easier than dealing with the job.

I personally volunteered for the airforce back in the early seventies to avoid the draft. I had a fairly low draft number and knew my time was coming. I figured if I had to go at least I would go into the service of my choice. Upon reflection if I had been offered a large sign up bonus I probably would have gone in a heartbeat even without the threat of draft hanging over my head.

Posted by: ILdem at February 18, 2007 10:35 AM
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I have been married to the same woman since 1982 and have no need of that sort of female companionship. Besides, I do not dance anymore. It makes it rain. “

LOL! Great reply you almost made me cough up my coffee. You should find a way to market that talent. Their must be millions to be made in some of the more arrid parts of the world. :)

Posted by: ILdem at February 18, 2007 10:41 AM
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I just checked out the Tommorow Men. These guys are very talented. Ginza Lights, Chrono Surf, and Argosy are my favorites. Thanks for the Link! I will be keeping an eye on them.

Posted by: ILdem at February 18, 2007 11:20 AM
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Excuse me, i’m going off topic hear since I’m being censored and not allowed to start my own topics.

Does anyone remember the good old days? Pelosi taking power, declaring fiscal responsibility had arrived? Pay as you go? Balanced budgets?

I hear that Pelosi just passed a 1.8 billion dollar tax cut. Excuse me, PAY AS YOU GO, where did she just cut 1.8 billion in spending? What happened to “pay as you go”.

Lets try to focus on the important stuff folks.

1) Balance the budget,
2) Fix social security
3) Fix Medicare
4) Fight the War on terrorism
5) Secure our nations boarders
6) Create national health care AFTER the budget is balanced and social security and Medicare are fixed.

Pelosi keeps spending and not accounting for it. What’s going on? They promised us fiscal responsiblity didn’t they? Aren’t they spending our childrens future? Isn’t that still horrible?

Good thing the Bush tax cuts have tax receipts soaring. Possibly the strong Bush economy will bail out our high spending democratic party friends?

And when referring to the democratic party which is working so bring about US socialism and supporting our enemies I use the term “friends” loosely.

Posted by: Stephen at February 18, 2007 11:25 AM
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You’re sounding like a one note protest song.


Posted by: Rocky at February 18, 2007 11:41 AM
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Stephen, let me get this straight.

Bush does a tax cut and it’s a great boon to tax revenue and GDP

When Pelois does it, it’s mortgaging our children’s future.

Wanna explain that rather gaping hole in your thinking?

Posted by: gergle at February 18, 2007 11:52 AM
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I’m sorry if you don’t feel that: balancing the budget, fixing social security, fixing Medicare, securing our nations boarders, fighting radical Islam, establishing national health care, and running congress in an undivisve bipartisan way is a “one note protest song” unworthy of this nations attention.

Much of this is what the democrat party ran on. They told us they would do better on all these issues that they would do it in a bipartisan, undivisive way. Oh the horrers of being divisive. So, when does pelosi stop being divisive and deal with these MAJOR issues?

I plan to keep reminding the democrats they aren’t living up to their promises, they aren’t tackling the big issues. It’s been nearly two months now. We have no budget, we have massive deficit spending, we have democrats creating division, we have no fix for social security, no fix for medicare, no funding of the boarder fence to truly secure the boarder, no national health care, no plan for fighting terrorists except to call for defeat.

The democrats can spend all day long and they can pass non binding bills all day long but they are failing. They are failing to deliver on the big ticket items they ran on, the measures that are of vital importance to hundreds of millions of Americans.

Yes, I’m going to keep blowing that “one note” until they start addressing those issues in a positive and meaningful way.

Since they democrats ARE failing us on the big issues, I can see why you don’t want to talk about it.

Where are the posts of democrats demanding that their leaders balance the budgets and stop spending? Where are the democrats screaming about Ried taking abramoff money, taking that million dollar vegas pay off, placing family members in lobbiests postions to lobby himself? When will we see democrats demand an END TO THE DEMOCRATIC PARTY CULTURE OF CORRUPTION?

How can they run Hillary with a proven corrupt past. Family selling presidential pardons, whitewater deals, the stock deal, stealing white house furniture, lying to the public, the payoffs for the Lincoln bedroom, etc etc. Such open corruption from the party that promises us an end to corruption?

Yes, I’m going to keep blowing that one note, that note that says I will hold demcorats accountable for not delivering on the great issues of our day.

Good thing that Bush tax cuts have stimulated such a strong economy and ever increasing tax receipts. WE need that money Bush created to fund the massive democratic party financial irresponsibility.

I’ve got a few notes my friend and I’ll keep blowing them no matter how hard the left tries to run away from the truth.

Posted by: Stephen at February 18, 2007 12:01 PM
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Where is “pay as you go”??? Lets both PRETEND we believe democrat party propaganda. These tax cuts are terrible, they are giving away our children’s future! They must be paid for, how, where, when? What happened to all this great fiscal responsibility and pay as you go Nancy and Reid promised the American voters? Isn’t it time for democrats to stop cutting taxes and to start being responsible?

It is the democrats that told us that Tax Cuts created the deficit, and here they are, giving away 1.8 billion in tax cuts. I want the demcoratic party to tell the truth! Those 1.8 billion dollar tax cuts are to offset losses congress is creating for small business. They will not have nearly the same impact the bush tax cuts had. They will not stop the loss of jobs and the hardships higher wages do create, the flip side to high wages.

Not only are democrats placing a greater burden on small business, they are also decreasing revenue.

And at the same time we are now closing off another month. A month in which democrats FAILED to produce a budget, move us toward a balancd budget, PAY AS THEY GO which the promised to do. Where is the responsiblity? Where is all this concern that “grandma pelosi” and the democrat party has for our “children”? It’s all gone? Evaporated overnight.

Can anyone link me to Pelosi now promising to move us toward a balanced budget? Is their only hope that the Bush economy is so strong that it will cover up for their fiscal irresponsibility?

Lets all demand that the democratic party leadership put forth a budget, and a long term plan to move this nation toward a balanced budget.

Lets demand it of them and stop making excuses for their failure to do so.

Don’t you support this? Isn’t this what you voted for? Didn’t they promise this? Lets hold them accountable, let’s demand they do it! They have the power and they now refuse to do the right thing.

You know, I told you folks they wouldn’t do it. But I was afraid in a sense that they would, that they would move us to a balanced budget and cement their place in congress for decades. But it appears the OLD democrat party is in control. Massive spending, corruption, and lies.

Lets all work together to put the fear of God in them, to make them do the right thing!

Posted by: Stephen at February 18, 2007 12:13 PM
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I have no idea what your post has to do with the topic of this thread. But hey thanks for the whole two months to do what Bushco couldn’t accomplish in six years. And to be honest no matter who is running the show it will probably take twelve years to repair the six years of corruption, chaos, and backwards moving politics Bush has created. I truly hope the dems can move this country back in the right direction. But one thing is for sure, they sure as hell can not do any worse than the past legislature.

I do agree that we all need to continue to lean on them to do the right thing. They have a mandate and should be expected to follow thru. If not then they will merely have to be replaced.

Posted by: ILdem at February 18, 2007 1:30 PM
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Stephen…There you go again six weeks thats how long they have had the majority rule. Do you really think they can fix six YEARS of bad goverment in that time span? Like I said before in two years lets see what happens then you may have something to rant about.

Posted by: Jeff at February 18, 2007 1:30 PM
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Sorry boys, you are giving them a pass. They aren’t even TALKING about fixing things now that they are in power.

Where is the plan for a blanced budget? Why are we moving up on the end of two months and we still hear NO TALK ABOUT IT?

In two years you will be saying….oh, they need another FOUR YEARS to fix it. Bull crap.

Where is their budget for this year? Do we have to wait for 6 years for the democrats to produce a budget for 2007? Yes, they told they could fix it all, now they want no part of it.

I challanged you folks on the idea, before the election, that democrats DO NOT BALANCE BUDGETS, and here we are. No budget for 2007, no plan to meet and develop a balanced budget, and democrats promosing us that “some day” they will be more responsible than republicans.

It’s time for democrats to stop wasting time on non binding, divisive resolutions and time to start talking about how they will balance the budget. It’s time for them to meet and lay out the path to a balanced budget and to start following that path this year.


Do you believe it yet? I do. We are 6 weeks in, two months soon. They have 24 months before the 2008 elections and are nearly 1/12 into it and have not made no move to Balancing the budget, fixing social security, fixing medicare, paying for the boarder fence, creating national health care, ending corruption.

Where’s the meat? Do we have to tolerate a dishonest 2008 election in which democrats DO NOTHING FOR THE BIG ISSUES but brag up the progress they “made” and tell us “it takes time”?


And I’m telling you folks, it’s starting to look as if NO ONE in demcorat party leadership wants to tackle the big issues.

Your words have meaning. Stand up for the big items. Lets talk about this, lets demand that Pelosi and Reid move the US to a balanced budget. Stop talking about “pay as you go” and force them to do it.

Vote these corrupt bums out of office is they did nothing but lie to us in 2004 when they took our votes.

The democrat party is failing us and they are declaring “we need more time”, “The Reublicans were so corrupt”. Someone pay Reid another one million dollars, maybe that’s the only way to get democrat party leadership attention, bribe them.

Posted by: Stephen at February 18, 2007 1:45 PM
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Don’t want to totally derail the thread here, so I’ll try to keep my comments brief.

Rocky, even more hilarious live!

Thanks so much for your kind words and support. Can I assume from your tag that you live in Illinois? If so, and since you like instrumental surf, I’ve got a couple of recommendations for great surf bands that are likely come play gigs in Illinois several times a year.
The Madeira from Indiana are fantastic. If you go see them live, make sure you introduce yourself to the lead guitarist Ivan (pronounced Eee-van, since he’s from Croatia), he’s a really nice guy, and you can tell him TomorrowMan Danny and TomorrowWoman Adrienne sent you. Also likely to vist your state, the great Detroit-based surf band: The Volcanos are excellent too.

Okay, to go back on topic here for American Pundit, here’s a website with lots of anti-Iraq war songs listed.

Posted by: Adrienne at February 18, 2007 2:27 PM
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get a grip!!! They don’t even have their chairs broken in yet. Do you really think if you can throw this bogus crap around long and hard enough, we will forget the mess left by Bushco suck-ups?
I’ve probably got a few years on you, and the VietNam war is still a vivid and painful memory for me. I grew up in Sacramento, and back then we were surrounded by military bases of all genre, and I took more friends to Travis who left and never came back. I was also a hop, skip and jump from Haight/Ashbury and the heart of the protest movements. I honestly don’t remember anyone who dodged the draft, and by ‘62 most of these guys we knew were well into their “hitch”.
The “kids” of today are very different from those like we were, and I don’t mean that is bad. I have only granddaughters, so I don’t have a lot of young men to learn things through. I get such an impression of cavalier attitudes from the ones I do see, though. I wasn’t trying to necessarily insinuate that a draft today would send droves of young potentials across the border….but since it seems the bonuses and incentives are making a difference…….hmmm. Bottom line is, whatever their reasons for signing up….I thank them, and wish them well and Godspeed.

Posted by: Sandra Davidson at February 18, 2007 2:43 PM
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So what do you say, Sandra? Two months to break in the chairs. Two years to start to understand? Two years to get really warmed up? At what point do we toss the bums out?

You are kidding yourself, they aren’t going to do what they promised. They aren’t going to balance the budget, fix social security, fix medicare, seal the boarder, or deliver on national health care.

Already they are passing bills that have no meaning and promising to pay as they go but not willing to establish a budget or to pay as they go.

How long will you give them to destroy your childrens future? Where is the urgency they told us they had?

They are failing, and you are supporting that failure. And if in two years they continue to fail you will continue to spin that failure as success and blame republicans for the democrat parties failure.

It’s time for Pelosi to call off the part and get down to real work, to balance this nations budget, to fix it’s broken social security and medicare system.

how long do we have to wait for them to “break in their chairs”? Reid is taking abromff money, taking millions of dollars in dirty little influence peddling scams, and seeing his family enriched at the trough of lobbiests. How long can Reid remain corrupt before democrats acknowledge he is corrupt and unwilling to really do away with the culture of corruption that enriches him.

Why do democrats have high moral standards for republicans and no moral standards for democrats?

It’s time to admit they are failing, to get angry, and to let them know they are losing your support as they fail to work toward fixing this nations budget and social support systems.

Posted by: Stephen at February 18, 2007 3:20 PM
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Sorry Stephen, I haven’t gotten over being mad yet for what this administration has managed to do to our country!!!!

Posted by: Sandra Davidson at February 18, 2007 3:48 PM
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“Breaking in chairs” is not a luxury you get when you’re in a deliberative body which changes significantly every two years. In fact, the reason for things like a “100 hour plan” is that you get a very short time to make your mark right out of the blocks. By this time next year, most of the oxygen in Congress is going to be sucked up all of those jockeying for position in the 08 election.

For good or ill, the future is NOW for this Congressional Session.

Posted by: Loyal Opposition at February 18, 2007 3:52 PM
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Stephen…BLA BLA BLA RANT RANT RANT oh look over there

Posted by: Jeff at February 18, 2007 4:04 PM
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Unless I’m wrong, aren’t most radio stations owned by only a few corporations, like that relgious-right Clearstream or Clearsky company or whatever it’s called? The reason you don’t hear protest songs on the radio is the same reason why the mainstream (so-called liberal) media outlets rarely criticize or seriously investigate Bush. With Republican policies towards deregulation and relaxed media consolidation rules, it’s all owned by a just a few large, Republican/corporate leaning corporations.

Posted by: mark at February 18, 2007 4:31 PM
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A good start is to stop the hemmoraging in Iraq.By the time we are done it will have cost us a trillion dollars. Any idea how much that is? Every American could have a Cadilac health plan,for example.That would help us get through the “hardship” of higher wages. (what are you smoking?)

Posted by: BillS at February 18, 2007 7:40 PM
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It is better if we can move to more skilled and less physically stressful jobs.

Jack, it’s even better if you can find one that pays a living wage… And BTW, you talk about manufacturing jobs being “automated out of existence” as if none of them went overseas due to policies you support. Head in the sand much? :)

Adrienne, thanks for that link.

Posted by: American Pundit at February 18, 2007 10:56 PM
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Stephen is braindead from watching Faux News Channel.We should see if anybody from the funhouse,has escaped.If you see anybody that looks like a bush monkey,it is more likely to be Stephen(The Shit Throwing Bush Monkey).

Posted by: the libertine at February 20, 2007 12:15 AM
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Never thought from the previous posts that I’d see libertine telling Stephen to cool it. Stephen, turn off the radio and a few days of not hearing Rush and Hannity will really turn your life around. For the better.

Posted by: Ray at February 20, 2007 4:16 AM
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Where is the cheap gasoline that democrats promised me? What have they done to drive my cost of gasoline down? In the 2006 election we heard that democrats were the party of cheap gas and republicans the party of expensive gas.

And yet, we hear not one single word from the democrats about what they plan to do to bring my gas prices down.

Please don’t make excuses of chair-warming needing to be done here. They promised cheap gas. When will they adjust the magic knobs that bring down my gas price?

Oh, please don’t tell me it was all propaganda and lies which you folks supported, knowing it to be propaganda and lies…..why do democrats no longer tell us about the price of gas and what they will do for it? Where is my cheap gas? What happened to the promises of this do-nothing democratic congress? What is their big plan and why do they dare not utter one word of it now that the election is over?

They passed “pay as you go” but have no budget so never are forced to cut funding or raise taxes to pay as they go. They just spend deficits and say nothing. They talked about being more responsible and saving our childrens future but have no budget for 2007 and refuse to even talk about balanced budgets.

Our major social programs teeter on the edge of collapse and all they can do is talk about adding yet another huge social program of Health Care without fixing the old ones. Isn’t it more responsible to do the hard thing and FIX things rather than just to spend more?

This doesn’t sound responsible to me. When will they deliver my cheap gas that they promised me?

It was oh so important before the election in 2006 and now they can’t be bothered? What kind of corruption is this?

Or can we all now admit, the democratic party has no way to bring the cost of gas down, has no desire to bring the cost of gas down, and will really do nothing beyond rhetoric toward lowing the cost of gas?! If it goes down due to the laws of supply and demand they will take credit for something they don’t control and if it goes up they will blame Republicans.

Oh the horror, they lied to use about gasoline. And I so believed them and their false promises.

Posted by: Stephen at February 20, 2007 6:25 AM
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Stephen you are lost in the (Sea of Hannity).You will always listen to the crap that comes out of this mouth.We have tryed to show you the way,and you just ignore us.I think we should just all ignore you.

Posted by: the libertine at February 20, 2007 3:42 PM
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Jack, Keith Richards isnt dead hes singing some good country music with Jerry Lee Lewis.

Posted by: j2t2 at February 21, 2007 7:45 AM
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I’m a “lowly” Brooklyn songstress who writes protest songs from time to time. Those songs are difficult to write and take a while. And I don’t sound like John Mayer but I surely don’t have his draw.

I’ve got a new one called Fannie Lou’s Lament. It’s got a refrain that she made famous that I believe everyone can relate to.

Posted by: desdemona finch at October 21, 2008 7:42 PM
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In 2007,while in the car,there was this Protest/Novelty song about gas prices. It was by a guy. I only heard it that one time. Unfortunately,the radio was on “seek”or “scan”,so I don’t know who played it. Anyway,it mentioned a “camel jockey”,described him as,”not too short,and not too stockey”.That part was spoken,and like a police report. It also mentioned a “sheik” I would like to hear it again,but can’t find out anything about it. Hopefully you know it. Please help me find it.

Thank You,

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