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...But Fear Itself

Not that I need the validation, but it’s nice to see others finally acknowledge what I’ve been saying all along: You have to be drinking a lot of Kool-Aid to believe that al-Qaeda will take over Iraq if US forces pull out.

Ted Galen Carpenter of the libertarian Cato Institute wrote a nice little op-ed that sums it all up: There are only about a thousand foreign fighters in all of Iraq (and I'll bet very few of them are actually members of al-Qaeda anyway). Does anyone really believe a thousand foreigners are going to take over a country of 26 million people? That's what President Bush would have you believe when he tells you, "We didn’t drive Al Qaeda out of their safe haven in Afghanistan only to let them set up a new safe haven in a free Iraq."

I didn't believe President Bush when he said Saddam had WMD and I don't believe him now. It just doesn't make any sense. In addition to the raw numbers, Carpenter points out polls that show 94% of Sunnis, 98% of Shiites and 100% of Kurds in Iraq just plain hate al-Qaeda,

The notion that a Shiite-Kurdish-dominated government would tolerate Iraq becoming a safe haven for al-Qaeda is improbable on its face. Even if U.S. troops left Iraq, the successor government would continue to be dominated by Kurds and Shiites, since they make up more than 80 percent of Iraq's population...

At best, al-Qaeda could hope for a tenuous presence in predominantly Sunni areas of the country while being incessantly stalked and harassed by government forces – and probably hostile Iraqi Sunnis as well. That doesn't exactly sound like a reliable base of operations for attacks on America.

And I'd add that any al-Qaeda remnant left in Iraq after a withdrawal would also be targeted by US forces the same way we're picking them off in Somalia, Pakistan and other countries not under US occupation.

President Bush's assertion that al-Qaeda could take over Iraq is nonsense. It's exactly the kind of baseless fear-mongering that sucked us into Iraq in the first place.

Posted by American Pundit at February 1, 2007 11:51 PM
Comments
Comment #206262

What’s the possibility that we are going to see some bizarre behavior, even for Bushco, from now on?? I mean, this administration has got to start showing symptoms of trapped rats soon. Their empire is crumbling onto them from all sides ! THeir own party support is shrinking daily in Congress and no doubt, a lot of State officials will follow suit or become fair game for the constituancy. I must say that it does my heart good to watch it all unfold, but the really, really rotten and unforgivable part is all the needlessly wasted lives of our military and the innocent Iraqui citizenry, too.
By the way, it’s nice to see you posting again…..I enjoy your viewpoint.

Posted by: Sandra Davidson at February 2, 2007 1:13 AM
Comment #206268

Dear Sandra, Bizarre behaviour from now on????? The French have a nice little saying that covers that one - plus ca change, plus c’est la meme chose! (The more things change, the more they stay the same)

Posted by: Paul in Euroland at February 2, 2007 4:07 AM
Comment #206271

AP,

President Bush’s assertion that al-Qaeda could take over Iraq is nonsense. It’s exactly the kind of baseless fear-mongering that sucked us into Iraq in the first place.

And soon in Iran?

Posted by: Philippe Houdoin at February 2, 2007 5:12 AM
Comment #206273

I know, AP. I too have said that the Iraqis, whoever wins their civil war, Shia or Sunni, are not going to allow al-Queda to take control from them. Bush et. al. having been consistently lying about this like everything else about this war all along.

Say a lie often enough and cross you fingers that dopes who can’t assimilate factual news and information, buy it. Definitely has a Dick Cheney signature all over it. He still says we don’t know if there are WMD in Iraq.

Posted by: David R. Remer at February 2, 2007 6:00 AM
Comment #206278

Regardless of who takes over, Shia or Sunni, the fact remains that we must stay in Iraq. We have a duty to fight them over there so they won’t come here. I am proud of our volunteer army who have chosen to stay in Iraq for however long it takes to get the job done. They honor their fallen comrades by giving their deaths meaning.

Stay in Iraq to protect America and the Free World!!!

Posted by: Juan dela Cruz at February 2, 2007 8:34 AM
Comment #206296

Juan said: “They honor their fallen comrades by giving their deaths meaning.”

And we civilians back home, their bosses, DISHONOR them by adding their own deaths and maiming to the long list of the already fallen for a purpose having nothing to do with our national security. The Shia and Sunnis of Iraq are not terrorists, Juan.

We should be fighting al-Queda, not Sunnis and Shia engaged in a civil war having nothing whatsoever to do with America. The majority ask nothing of America other than we leave their country.

Iraq is not a threat to America, Juan. Your comment sounds of a Bushweed smoker.

Posted by: David R. Remer at February 2, 2007 10:09 AM
Comment #206309

Taking a longer term view, I suggest that BushCo and his right wing party continue as they have been doing. The sooner the GOP is brought to its knees and relegated to trash the heap of history from whence they came, the sooner our nation can return to greatness and be, once again, respected at home and abroad.

Posted by: Dr. Poshek at February 2, 2007 11:08 AM
Comment #206310

David: I don’t think it is Bushweed — it’s Bushcoke.

Posted by: Dr Poshek at February 2, 2007 11:10 AM
Comment #206326

David, I think I detect a hint of sarcasm in St. John of the Cross’ post.

You know, a year ago, the right wingers would have been all over this post. Looks like they’re a little less sure of themselves at this point. Too bad that didn’t happen years ago when it could have meant victory in Iraq. Instead, the lemmings let Bush lead them over the cliff.

Posted by: American Pundit at February 2, 2007 12:13 PM
Comment #206370

Dr Poshek,
Re: Bush and Company and the GOP

…continue the way they have been doing…
I think you’re being sarcastic - it least I hope so.

Some poor soul might read what you wrote as your agreement that we should stay in Iraq until the very end - (not sure what that might be!)

As for the GOP, Lord, I never thought I’d be saying this, but competition - healthy competition is a good thing most of the time. It helps to keep us on our toes, keeps us from settling for routine, and most importantly it gives us a way to compare and dismiss those who are not living up to the standards we desire.

Unfortunately, neither of the parties seems to have a healthy competitive manner. They are both set in their ways,have a failure to communicate both within and without their party lines, and tend to be dismissive towards the average American voter. They both play for the “Big Bucks”.

Both the Democrat and Republican Parties need a lot of work to rectify the problems in both parties. Both verge on the line of deception, and frankly in my opinion unethical behavioral. They both seem to want to try to catch the other with their “pants down” so badly they seldom realize they both need diapers.

Posted by: Linda H. at February 2, 2007 2:37 PM
Comment #206411

Wow, nearly the whole choir on this blog is singing in key. How boring, with each blogger trying to out do the other in bragging rights about not being fooled about WMD’s in Iraq and all the other nonsense being aired here. Wonder where the Conservatives have gone? We’re working and planning and developing ideas and strategies. No need for any of us to play ball with you folks. You don’t know the rules of civilized discourse.

Posted by: Jim at February 2, 2007 7:30 PM
Comment #206431

I am not a Bush Supporter, sillies.

However, the die is cast and we must live with the price of 51% Bush Voters. We ARE in Iraq and we ARE responsible. Therefore, we must stay to fix our mistake. No matter how long it takes. No matter the price. I say we stay!!!

Posted by: Juan dela Cruz at February 2, 2007 11:40 PM
Comment #206466

Juan dela Cruz,

I am not a Bush Supporter, sillies.

Well you did a good job of sounding like one…

Yes, we are in Iraq, and we have made numerous mistakes, but I still believe the responsible thing to do is more or less bow out. Since we’ve been there, the civilian losses have been high, the physical destruction has been high, and there is little no faith in the “Democratic” government.

(hummmm…. sounds a tad like our own home - sometimes…)

My point is simply we need to fix our original mistake in Iraq - which was going there in the first place. The best way to “fix” our mistake is to get the $@## out of there - although, I’ll admit we don’t want to simply pull out suddenly - however, in a year would be good. Especially since the whole basted country is in the middle of an outright Civil war - regardless of what our administration seems to think.

Posted by: Linda H. at February 3, 2007 12:22 PM
Comment #206467

oppss,

Make that “within a year would be good”

Posted by: Linda H. at February 3, 2007 12:24 PM
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