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This wasn’t an election; it was an intervention

What happened last night wasn’t done out of anger but out of love. The intervention of 2006 was about getting real with the sorry condition of this country and the sad state of affairs that five years of graft, corruption, lies, deceit and death have created.

When a loved one is so sick that they can't see that they need help; an intervention is needed. And last night America, the true America stepped in. Like the parent of Democracy that they are, true Americans stepped in with the necessary tough love required and said no. They said no to the graft, corruption, lies, deceit and death that the last five years have created. They said no to living in denial about the self-destructive and selfish behavior of their leaders. They said no to the leaders that hide and protect people that prey on our young, while they take a blind eye to disasters like Katrina and Iraq.

This wasn’t a democratic revolution; it an American intervention. When Republicans split their ticket as they did in this election, they too, joined the intervention and voted for a change in direction. This intervention wasn’t about pitting Republican against Democrat and Democrat against Republican; this was about confronting what is wrong in this country and empowering ourselves together, Republicans, Democrats and Independents alike, to take our country back, brick by brick.

It's morning again in America.

Posted by john trevisani at November 8, 2006 10:17 AM
Comments
Comment #193980

John, I don’t mean to put too fine a point on it, but, your high horse reelected William Jefferson in Louisiana. The Democrats have a long history of their own when it comes to corruption and contempt for the public in the name of power.

Hillary Clinton revealed this week her recognition that what the voters expect of Democrats is results, solutions to America’s problems, and protection of the nation’s future. That is going to be a very tall order to fill, especially by incumbent Democrats neck deep in beholding to corporate and special interest campaign donors and lobbyists.

Posted by: David R. Remer at November 8, 2006 10:35 AM
Comment #193981

Republicans didn’t split their ticket, a sufficient number just stayed home. They are still Republican and will not vote for a Democrat. Not until they see Democrats proven worthy of their crossover.

Posted by: David R. Remer at November 8, 2006 10:37 AM
Comment #193983

Those who voted for meaningful change are patriots. I love my country and have been appalled at what has been done in the name of protecting the country while actually harming it. I hope the message to Republicans is they need to come back towards the middle and actually work across the aisle to get things done.

BTW, Pombo (attacking the Endangered Species Act)in California lost to McNearney, a wind energy consultant. Santorum went down hard. Republican moderates like Chafee were unable to hold on to their seat because of the extremism of their party and its leaders. It was the Republicans who abandonded moderation.

Posted by: chris2x at November 8, 2006 10:38 AM
Comment #193986

So let me see if I have this right…

America really loves the Republicans, and because they didn’t like the habbits the Republicans werre forming, the people interviened for the party’s own good?

Interesting theory, comming from a Democrat.

The thing is, it’s kind of true. A lot of people decided not to vote Republican for exactly that reason. Several races went Democrat persicly because of the small percentage who voted Libertarian or other third party instead of Republican.

Posted by: TheTraveler at November 8, 2006 10:42 AM
Comment #193987

The participation of conservatives and even some of the religious right in last night’s intervention, as you rightly label it, was not lost on me. I hope that the next two years may prove to many of them that the cravings of progressive Democrats are not as out of touch with mainstream American values as they have been led to believe.

Posted by: Walker Willingham at November 8, 2006 10:43 AM
Comment #193988
John, I don’t mean to put too fine a point on it, but, your high horse reelected William Jefferson in Louisiana.

Nope. It’s going to a runoff between him and another Democrat.

Posted by: Woody Mena at November 8, 2006 10:45 AM
Comment #193989

David:
The turnout in my county, in Pennsylvania, recorded a 58% turnout of this mid(mud)-term election. Normal turnout for this mid-term election is 32%. The makeup of the electorate is 62% Republican, 31% Democrat in this county. In this highly republican county, Governor Rendell, Bob Casey, Jr. and Joe Sestak were victorious by such a wide margin (the closest margin was 10%) that Republicans HAD to have switched their ticket in order for this too occur.


What’s your basis for your assertion that ‘a sufficient number just stayed home.’ The numbers indicate differently.


Posted by: john trevisani at November 8, 2006 10:46 AM
Comment #193990

chris2x,

Is it the republicans who abandoned moderation or was it the extremists who took over the party?
I’ve started to use the term neo(re)pub(lican), not simply as a perjorative, but more as a way to distinguish those who are classical conservatives and feel abandoned and/or betrayed by the leaders of their party. Since those people don’t deserve the full vituperation reserved for the neocon, neopub, (fill in your own).

Posted by: Dave1-20-09 at November 8, 2006 10:47 AM
Comment #193991

Republicans didn’t split their ticket, a sufficient number just stayed home.

David,

Have you seen any numbers on just plain turnout — nationwide? I haven’t

Posted by: Steve K at November 8, 2006 10:50 AM
Comment #193995

John, they switched their vote. Not their party registration. That was the point, I thought you were referencing when you said switch their ticket. I agree, in many districts, significant minorities of Republicans voted Democrat as in Pa. and Ohio apparently, and likely Indiana if I recall correctly.

Posted by: David R. Remer at November 8, 2006 10:58 AM
Comment #193996

David: i said ‘split their ticket’.

Posted by: john trevisani at November 8, 2006 11:01 AM
Comment #194004

John, sorry, I haven’t slept since yesterday. Time to recoup from it all. Later…

Posted by: David R. Remer at November 8, 2006 11:22 AM
Comment #194010

John well said, Now that our loved one is in detox we need to make sure they stay there until such time as they are cured from whatever disease has caused the past 6 years.
I think this is the hard part coming up.

Posted by: j2t2 at November 8, 2006 12:06 PM
Comment #194011

David:

John, I don’t mean to put too fine a point on it, but, your high horse reelected William Jefferson in Louisiana. The Democrats have a long history of their own when it comes to corruption and contempt for the public in the name of power.

David, to be fair, Louisiana had their primary on Nov. 7th, not the general election. In Dec. there will be a runoff election (link)where he is running against other Democrats in the same election.

Posted by: john trevisani at November 8, 2006 12:14 PM
Comment #194013

Everyone,

I don’t have a problem with wether Dem or Repubs hold office, so long as their best suited to do the job.

Here in Washington state, the vote was very Democratic.

The scary thing to me is that 80% of the new Democratics are of 0 experience.

We now have an entire state congress of people who know nothing of politics.

The mass majority in their outcry managed to vote entirely in favor of tax breaks for the rich and increased costs for the poor.

These were all initiatives put forth by a knowingly currupt politician who likes to wave the Dem flag in Seattle even though her voting track says completely other wise.

We have upheld a tax on death that in the last few years has did away with thousands of ‘mom n pop’ small businesses.

We have passed a law increasing the cost of Hydroelectricity in the name of cash incentives for wealthy individuals who use solar panels.

We have upheld a law that says you can’t use 20% of your land. This has put countless small farming communities into bankruptcy and is going to continue to do so.

A man of the name Nally Wash, who waves the Repub banner, who was generally intterested in helping out poverty and cost of utilities to those in apartments lost to a hanous individual who wants to increase taxes in the name of throwing more money at an already over funded education system.

The man I work for, Tom Campbell, still won by a land slide. It was still hard to celebrate when so many good friends and good people lost their jobs.

The Dems did not have enough politicians in this state to run in the number of slots they did. They recruited basically any Joe Blow liberal with an attitude to take congress on both fronts and have created a juvenille government.

Dem or Repub, I don’t care. I just don’t see how the situtation here is going to get better, when it was already at it’s best with a very non-partisan congress.

It is a sad day. After finishing college here in WA in two years. I will be leaving this state and moving back to the Liberal yet intelligent voting state of Oregon.

Posted by: Bryan AJ Kennedy at November 8, 2006 12:42 PM
Comment #194020

John,

The Republican Party has sustained far too much corruption, incompetence and fiscal squandering to remain in power. This is borne out in the mid-term elections. The replacements were picked because they were not Republicans, not for some some of the more normal qualitative reasons.

I do not have a problem with this. Now can we work together or will there be a period in purgatory where I have to weather the tirades, the gloating and labeling as unpatriotic, un-American and evil? If we can forgo the unpleasantness, they you can start by not implying I am not a true American.

Posted by: Charles Adams at November 8, 2006 1:00 PM
Comment #194030

First, we got a Republican “intervention.”
Then we get a Democrat “intervention.”
Are we going to keep having these “interventions” every 10 or so years now?
Nothing has changed except the party name.

At least it was a great election for me, I got my way on all but one issue (stupid min wage extortion amendment)

Posted by: kctim at November 8, 2006 1:24 PM
Comment #194031

Bush announced that Rumfeld is out on his ear. DING DONG,the witch is dead!

Posted by: BillS at November 8, 2006 1:27 PM
Comment #194039

David #193981:

Your comment is not true regarding Republicans splitting their ticket.

I in fact split my ticket and I know many Republicans who did the same.

For example: In Illinois, Secretary of State Jesse White won by an overwhelming margin. Even in Republican districts. Jesse White has been an Illinois Politician for years and seems to rise above the fray.

Posted by: RedStapler at November 8, 2006 2:00 PM
Comment #194043

Rummy is gone! Rummy is gone! Rummy is gone!

America is basking in the rays of a new dawn.

Posted by: john doe at November 8, 2006 2:13 PM
Comment #194047

It’s a great day in America! We won the House, and it looks like the Senate currently as well! Also, South Dakota has rejected their abortion ban. Arizona has defeated their gay marriage ban. And Missouri is backing stem cell research. Rummy has resigned at last. All very good news.
Now of course, we have to make sure that Dems will roll up their sleeves and try use their power power wisely and responsibly. We truly need our leadership to look for creative solutions to the many problems this country is faced with in the wake of the GOP. I’d also like to see us take serious charge of securing this country against terrorism, assert our right to real Congressional oversight, and see some investigations that will reveal all the secret shenanigans the Republicans have been up to under Bushco.
In this way, the whole country will win, rather than just our party, you know?

Posted by: Adrienne at November 8, 2006 2:23 PM
Comment #194048

Oh yes, the wicked warkock is dead!!!!

Have you folks heard - Rummy’s resignation was supposedly determined before the electons - they just didn’t want to annouce it until after the Elections - how nice of them…
if Va. pulls it out (and it looks like it)we’re going to have a tied Senate. BOOOOOO!!! That will just give Cheney more power…

Posted by: Linda H. at November 8, 2006 2:27 PM
Comment #194050

Rumsfeld Legacy:

8 million new text books delivered in Iraq

33,000 New Businesses started in Iraq.

4,500 schools rebuilt or refurbished

95% of all Iraqi Children vaccinated against Polio.

25% of Iraqi Parlaiment are now Women (Highest in the Arab World)

From 1 newspaper, 1 TV station to 150 newspapers and TV stations in Iraq.

3 Elections

3,000+ troops dead.

Iraq has a population of 25 million

18,000 New Iraqi border guards trained to guard the Syria Border.

5 out of 18 Iraqi provinces experiencing insurgent violence.

In Afghanistan


Women allowed to work

Women / Girls allowed to attend school

Women allowed to go out in public without male escort.

Music no longer banned

Afghani’s now allowed to own Canaries (Canary is a song bird and all music under Taliban was banned including songbirds).

Rumsfeld is in no way perfect. But Iraq isn’t all doom and gloom and I just discovered these facts. Iraq is a mixed bag at best, but not an all out failure.

Posted by: RedStapler at November 8, 2006 2:37 PM
Comment #194053

RedStapler/LindaH/Joe:
This isn’t about Rummy; it’s about the 2006 Intervention. i’m sure there will be a thread about Rummy’s departure on another article. i hope you’ll understand, but please keep the discussion focused on the election. Thanks.

Posted by: john trevisani at November 8, 2006 2:51 PM
Comment #194054

And now Rush returns to rehab, or at least tries to rehabilitate his corrupt, polemical, and now completely wrong BS as he now swears he was constrained by politics.

What a relief to see these losers for what they are: rats running from a sinking ship.

Posted by: gergle at November 8, 2006 2:52 PM
Comment #194055

Record turnout for Dems!

Linda, why do you think that Va. will go for Macaca Allen? I heard that Webb was currently up over 8000 votes and was claiming victory.
I suppose we could be ironic here and begin using the same kind of rhetoric on the GOP that they used on Dems during the 2000 recount. You know, tell them that Macaca should want to spare his state all the grief and bother of a recount, and just graciously accept the will of the people! ;^)
But of course, that’s bunk. States should always allow for a recount on the results of an election when it’s so close, and Democrats really do believe in counting all the votes, so it wouldn’t be very nice or respectful to tell the GOP to simply move on and get over it, would it now?

Posted by: Adrienne at November 8, 2006 2:54 PM
Comment #194056

Adrienne: As part of any intervention, shortly following the confrontation is a detailed and structured plan of recovery. The recovery should be shared by everyone involved (democrats, independents and republicans) to bring this country back.

Having some checks and balances is a great thing.

Posted by: john trevisani at November 8, 2006 2:56 PM
Comment #194059

John, well said. I agree completely.

Posted by: Adrienne at November 8, 2006 3:04 PM
Comment #194061

Btw kids, did you all notice that Rep. Murtha kept his seat?
No doubt the Sic Eagle (no more bounce, bounce, bounce? :^) will be crushed by this news.

Posted by: Adrienne at November 8, 2006 3:20 PM
Comment #194070

john trevisani,
I was not the one to go ‘off-track’ regarding Rumsfeld, and as it was breaking news do not honestly see how I offended you. I am sorry if I did so.

That said, I honestly believe that Rumsfeld’s resignation has everything to do with the elections. As I stated, I thought it was interesting that ‘supposedly’ he had already planned to resign prior to the election, but stayed quiet until the day AFTER the elections.

Whom would it serve if the Reps had retrained their seats for Rummey to resign? While serveral Reps wanted him to go, I suspect he wouldn’t be leaving if the House and Senate hadn’t changed so strongly.

So not only can I rejoice that hopefully the Dems will be able to make better sense out of what has been happening in our government, but also that Rumsfelt has fianlly bitten the dust.

As for whether one calls it a revolution or intervenion - it is a DAY to rejoice and a DAY of hope. In a for-what-its-worth note, I didn’t and never have voted a straight ticket for anyone in all the many elections I have voted it. While I’d admit I voted mostly Democratic this time, I really had to think things over. As I stated in another post, one reason I voted against the Republican was because I was sick of all the phone calls I recieved from them -57 in 10 days. I can’t help but wonder how much that influenced the voters? Maybe they were as sick of them as I was…

Adrienne,

I meant the opposite of what I apparently thought I’d said. From what I’ve heard, Allen has lost, but wants a recount. I don’t want Va. to go Republican. I agree with you, it’s a shame he doesn’t want to bow out gracefully. But… I can sort of see his point….

What I’m most concerned with is giving Cheney more power. A tied Senate has him (chills) as it’s tie breaker.

and frankly:

RedStapler,

I don’t think credit can be solely given to Runsfeld about the things you listed in Iraq, etc.

I beleive that the Iraqis deserve credit, not the US for trying to survive in a war they did not start, with people they want to leave, and a government they don’t respect.

Posted by: Linda H. at November 8, 2006 4:00 PM
Comment #194071

Linda H: i wasn’t offended, at all. i just wanted to make sure the comments related to this article. And your latest post brings Rummy’s resignation right back into the discussion.

If you’re asserting that Rummy’s resignation was political, i agree. i had read a couple weeks ago about his departure and last weekend pundits talked of his departure as imminent (i used that word to pay homage to rummy). But i do love the play that the story is making. First it was reported ‘GOP to announce that Rummy is leaving.’ then the SAME story was changed to “Bush to announce Rummy is leaving.’

It’s purely political. They probably withheld it fearing that firing Rummy would look like their administration was in defeat.

Well… it is.

Posted by: john trevisani at November 8, 2006 4:09 PM
Comment #194074
no more bounce, bounce, bounce? :^)

What makes you say that? His later efforts were already divorced from reality. Why would he stop now?

Posted by: LawnBoy at November 8, 2006 4:26 PM
Comment #194077

Bryan AJ Kennedy,
“We have upheld a tax on death that has in the last few years done way with thousands of “mom and pop” small businesses.”

thousands? can you back that up?

Posted by: j2t2 at November 8, 2006 4:50 PM
Comment #194078

Amen John!

What do we do about our troops in Iraq? I say get them out now. Even if the president does not have the *#@!!& [wherewithal] to admit he lied and spat on our military with his Iraq “post-presidency” investment (i.e. pointless, mercenary mission in Iraq created by a total moronic idiot and his minions and patsy former secretary of state). Who gives a crap if Saddam Hussein is executed? Is that objective worth the loss of life for even one US soldier who volunteers to protect our Nation from LEGITIMATE threats? They deserve so much better! What about channeling our military talent and resources into protecting and securing our nation from our own turf. If Arabs and Muslims in that region want to continue to kill each other, so be it. It’s unfortunate that America should have to battle “terrorism” on the front-line. But better we do it in our own country for our own citizens than stretching our military in an unstable region to fight an enemy they cannot see and does not understand, support or accept our values (either political or cultural). I think we and the government elected by the people (even if it is not all of them) owe it to our military to begin with this issue at the start of a new term.

To Bryan AJ Kennedy—what’s worse a neophyte in congress or a moronic idiot in the White House? Unfortunately, the state of our politics allows intellectually barren moronic idiots to “buy” the White House then staff it’s administration with the purely evil. Too me the latter is far worse than sincere, intelligent, honest public servants cutting their “political teeth” in Congress.

Posted by: Kim-Sue at November 8, 2006 4:51 PM
Comment #194091

Bryan AJ Kennedy-

“We have upheld a tax on death that has in the last few years done way with thousands of “mom and pop” small businesses.”

It is NOT a tax on death…it is a tax on the reciept of wealth. The way our system is set up, anytime you recieve money, you pay taxes on it. Period. And the ESTATE tax only applies to the top 1% of American estates. What irresponsible spin to say it eliminates “mom and pop” businesses. First, they can insure the business against losses of key persons. Second, the value of the estate would have to exceed nearly $2 million to even be affected. Third, there are many ways to shelter the money through irrevokable spendthrift trusts that provide certain benefits to heirs without the need for a blanket government exclusion from tax.

This is one of those issues that is a literal non-issue for 99% of Americans. I believe that lower and middle class families should have an exception made for the passing of their estates…that money goes directly into the building of new businesses and college education, buying a primary residence, etc. for the heirs. Protecting that is about as American as it gets. But protecting $2M+ businesses because they failed to insure themselves or plan ahead? Sounds like a subsidy for bad business decisions made by rich people. I can see why Bush likes it.

This crap originally started in 2000 when Bush tried to make the family farm sound as if it was a common thing that needed to be protected from the big bad government. It is not. There are already protections against foreclosing on farms…they get an extra year to redeam. And if any uninsured $2M business is being passed on to an heir who cannot pay the estate tax, then obviously the business was not flourishing anyway. It is no different than recieving a car on a gameshow that you can’t pay taxes for. You sell it, clear out with your 60% or so ($1.2M at least) and go open up another business. I don’t feel sorry for people who have that kind of money in their pockets, and nor should our government make them a priority to assist. There are real needs to be addressed. But there are the farmers and other gullible people, all clapping as if they stand to benefit.

Please, give us all a break and drop the crap about “death” taxes ruinning small businesses. Read the tax code for crying out loud. By 2010 the cutoff will be $3.5M estate. That is definately NOT what 99% of Americans would refer to as “small” or “mom and pop” businesses.

Posted by: Kevin23 at November 8, 2006 5:51 PM
Comment #194098

Linda H-

“one reason I voted against the Republican was because I was sick of all the phone calls I recieved from them -57 in 10 days.”

Amen to that! I do not use my regular “land-line” phone very much these days as I have my cell. So my wife and I have actually been kicking around the idea of getting rid of it for a while now. This election season was, without any doubt, the straw that broke the camel’s back. I started getting calls ad nauseum from the republican party while my wife, a registered democrat, recieved nothing but peace and quiet. And these people who call you seriously get offended when you tell them that you are going to make up your own mind and that you will not be voting straight ticket. They even wanted to tell me how to vote for local measures and bond amendments. How about: “go to hell!” I was insulted and beyond annoyed after about the 5th call. And who wouldn’t be?

So, I cancelled my phone service and finally got left alone. I dont miss it one bit. And I take it that this was part of their legendary “grassroots level get out the vote” effort. Nice job. Way to piss people off on election day while simultaniously causing indefinate economic detriment to Verizon. And all that effort amounted to a loss both houses of congress. And that seemed to be a universal theme yesterday: the more republicans said and did, the worst they performed. That says something.

Posted by: Kevin23 at November 8, 2006 6:13 PM
Comment #194127

Well, we had our day in the sun. Unfortunately,as in the past we’ve sent wind-up dolls to congress where we shall promtly leave them to their own devices. Unfortunately, once there, and now in great numbers, without fear of oversight, they will probably be run out of town, two years after we win the presidency. We as democrats have to prevail somehow on our own elected officials, to costantly self-examine and remind ourselves that our struggle to recapture the ground we have lost to the rebublicans is just beginning.
Hawaiian Don

Posted by: HAWAIIAN DON at November 8, 2006 7:11 PM
Comment #194130

Kevin23,
You got REAL PEOPLE???!!!!
I got one live person, on Monday nght, and 56 taped messenges!!!!! All in less than 10 days!!!!

Posted by: Linda H. at November 8, 2006 7:13 PM
Comment #194133

Kevin23,
Almost forgot - I don’t think I’m a registered Republican - not very sure, I’m afraid - I guess that’s how seriously I take party affiliation…

Posted by: Linda H. at November 8, 2006 7:17 PM
Comment #194138

Linda H-

The first two were real people. Then came the recordings. I even got the same recording a few times. Your 57 calls definately takes the cake from what I’ve heard so far though. They must have you listed as an undecided voter. So they were going to make you decide one way or another, I suppose. Funny.

Posted by: Kevin23 at November 8, 2006 7:45 PM
Comment #194298

Bryan AJ Kennedy,

You are full of **it and obviously have a lot of money your self otherwise I can
t belive you would be spouting off this nonsense.

Trust me as a Washington native we can’t wait for you to get out either.

Lauren

Posted by: Lauren Hendy at November 9, 2006 3:52 PM
Comment #194455

I intervened on October 19th, the first day of voting, but my congressperson always wins with over 70 per cent of the vote.

Posted by: ohrealy at November 10, 2006 12:45 PM
Comment #194800

Kevin23

[the value of the estate would have to exceed nearly $2 million to even be affected.]

The value of the apartments that I live in is $2.4 million. The one elderly lady that owns them only pulls around $60 a year income off of them.

When she dies her children will owe a lump sum more than what they make in a year.

That is not the upper %1.

Nor is the corner market that my Korean freind’s family owns in downtown Seattle.

They scrape by with it, but because they own it from being passed down through generations, they will owe taxes on a $3.5 million piece of land when his father dies.

They are not the upper %1.

$2 million is not the upper %1. Roughly 35% of Americans have assets exceeding $2 million.

In WA that is one middle class house ($300,000), two average but new cars ($50,000), and one low-income business w/ land ($650,000).

It DIRECTLY hurts those who have inherited business that include the land they are on.

Wrecking yards, corner stores, small medical practices, apartments and trailer parks, $2 million is not very much in today’s dollars.

Two and a half decades ago that would have been a fine number, today it is just wrong.

The upper one percent holds an average over $100,000,000 in wealthy, hell the upper 5% holds that much!

It wouldn’t be so bad if the numbers taexed matched the percentage claimed.

Posted by: Bryan AJ Kennedy at November 12, 2006 9:58 PM
Comment #194803

Lauren,

The facts are in the numbers, it is not hard to do the math on propietary values.

Start adding up all your taxable assets you might be surprised at how little $2 million really is.

I am not rich, I am a sophmore in college who does proprietary appraisals part time for income.

Three days a week I work adding up everyday people’s assets for insurance companies. There a lot of people who don’t look like a million bucks, but are worth it.

A million isn’t as much as it was in the 70s. Hell, the POOREST person on Forbes top 400 is a billionaire. That is one thousand millions.

I have read the law on this tax, it was an assignment in my Poli Sci class, it taxes ASSETS. Assets acrue very quickly.

That is all I have to say about that, good ridance to a poor sense of reality.

Posted by: Bryan AJ Kennedy at November 12, 2006 10:34 PM
Comment #194911

Bryan AJ-

Did you conveniently forget the fact that sound business planning can protect the business? And if no planning was done, do I feel bad that the kids have to sell the $3M business and clear out with almost $2M in liquid cash? NO! They can do a lot with that money. And I definately don’t think taxpayers need to subsidize businesses in the absence of sound planning by giving them a tax break. The small business arguments are just a bunch of BS, and anyone who knows anything about business and the tax code can see that.

Posted by: Kevin23 at November 13, 2006 7:39 PM
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