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Democrats Have Won Nothing Yet

Many Democrats, looking at polls favoring Democratic candidates for the House and Senate, are beginning to think that surely one and maybe both houses will be run by Democrats next year. Not so fast. We still must deal with the big Republican PROPAGANDA BLAST due to start just about now, 3 weeks before election day. This will be followed by a 72-hour Get-Out-the-Vote Republican marathon.

Karl Rove, the so-called architect, the guy planning the Republican political campaign, just announced that he is confident Republicans will prevail because:

Between now and the election, we will spend $100 million in target House and Senate races in the next 21 days.

President Bush says that the message will be that Republicans are strong on security and the Democrats are weak on security. Pretty simple. This is exactly the way Republicans won in 2004 and 2002. Bush and Rove are confident it would work again.

But it won't. The citizens of our country know now what they did not know before: that they were bamboozled about Iraq, the "war on terror" and the propaganda of fear. They see clearly that invading Iraq has hurt rather than helped us, by producing more terrorists than before. And now, N. Korea (and also Iran) thumbs its nose at us. Some security.

For all these reasons and more, Democrats are optimistic. However, they are "misunderestimating" the Republican Party and Karl Rove. This $100 million is not to be deployed in order to discuss issues, be they security or anything else. This booty is to be deployed in ways that will place doubts in voters minds about the integrity and character of Democratic candidates. After all, is not this Rove's specialty?

A simpler way of putting it is that the time for swiftboating has arrived. Under nice names, such as Economic Freedom Fund, the swiftboaters have begun to do their lying, smearing and character assassination. This is the way they did in Kerry. This is the way Republicans plan to do in Democratic candidates this November.

Democrats: Do not celebrate. In the next 3 weeks, do whatever you can to disclose Republican lies and smears. And when election day nears, join a phone bank - check with MoveOn.org - to bring Democrats to the polls.

If you want change, you must do something about it. Work for it or it will never happen.

Posted by Paul Siegel at October 18, 2006 5:26 PM
Comments
Comment #188871

Well, if the Repubs are spending $100 million to plant seeds of doubt in people’s minds about the Dems they don’t have to on my account—I already have plenty of doubts about them.

Unfortunatly for Mr Rove and the Republicans, I have absolutely no doubts about them or their policies.

And I shall vote accordingly. Who knows, maybe they’ll even count my vote.

Posted by: Tim Crow at October 18, 2006 10:00 PM
Comment #188884

Democrats are hoping that nobody notices who they really are and what they really stand for. Their strategy is to be NOT Republicans.

But elections are choices between alternatives. do people want Pelosi, Conyers & Rangle in charge of things?

The Republican strategy is simple: reveal the Dems and ask them to define their policies.

Posted by: Jack at October 18, 2006 10:30 PM
Comment #188887

Jack-
We have no fear of people discovering who we are and what we really stand for. That’s what we’ve been doing. The Republicans are the ones who fear that people will discover who they are, and what they’ve been standing for.

You’re under the false impression that Pelosi, Conyers and Rangel are the ones in charge of things. You even throw in Dean, on occasion. What you fail to realize is that they couldn’t do shit if it weren’t for us. We’re the true leaders. They serve at our pleasure, and we know it. In many ways, we’ve practically drug them kicking and screaming along from the comfortable minority. The Democrats are only coming back now because we and other Americans have gotten sick of your party’s dysfunctional leadership, and are committed to doing something. You should look into what your party did to get Americans so motivated to toss your party out on its keister.

Posted by: Stephen Daugherty at October 18, 2006 11:03 PM
Comment #188889

It seems the republicans need all then help they can get trying to bail the country out of the mess we are in, so I would agree Jack, the Dems need to step up and define what they are not what they are not. The Dems do have the fact that the repubs have failed the middle class so completely and are in lock step with the corporatist, but again they need to say what they are not what they are not. Such a good opportunity if they truely are different that the repubs. Time will tell.

Posted by: j2t2 at October 18, 2006 11:08 PM
Comment #188891

Stephen

They probably will. Then we will have Pelosi et al. Glad you like them. I believe that they will be less popular as people see more of them and after much gnashing of teeth, sound and fury 2008 belongs to us.

In the last 12 years people forgot what Dems were like in power. They are about to get a refresher course.

Posted by: Jack at October 18, 2006 11:10 PM
Comment #188892

The only message the Democrats need to get across to voters is that they are not Repubicans.

Posted by: trublu at October 18, 2006 11:19 PM
Comment #188899

I JUST KNOW THE REPUBLICANS ARE GOING TO PULL OUT ALL THE STOPS BEFORE THE ELECTIONS INCLUDING ALL OF THE “HIGH TERROR ALERTS” BULLSHIT. TRYING TO STAY IN POWER THROUGH FEAR. I THINK SINCE THE REPUBLICANS BELIEVE SO WHOLEHEARTEDLY IN THIS WAR WE SHOULD SHIP ALL OF THEIR PUNK ASSES OVER TO IRAQ AND LET THEM FIGHT TO SURVIVE IN THE WAR ZONE. THE REPUBLICANS ARE GREEDY, LYING OIL DRINKING GOOD OL BOYS. I CANT WAIT FOR NOVEMBER TO KICK THEIR ASSES OUT!! BUSH NEEDS TO BE IMPEACHED, HELL THEY IMPEACHED CLINTON OVER A BJ.

Posted by: pissed off at October 19, 2006 12:13 AM
Comment #188902

pissed off

To stay within the rules of participation I will just say that was one of the most idiotic posts I’ve ever read here.

Posted by: Keith at October 19, 2006 12:27 AM
Comment #188903

Wow! The “middle class” is disappearing. We’ve all heard Bush say that his “base” is the “haves” and the “have mores”! Where does that leave most of us?

Iraq is a mess, Bush’s plan is to “stay the course” which means just letting more and more Americans be killed and seriously injured or disfigured with no end in sight. Afghanistan is falling back into chaos.

OTOH Democratic Senator Joe Biden has an alternative plan for Iraq that Bush refuses to even consider. Biden also believes in a balanced budget. It’s irresponsible to pass budget shortfalls on to future generations.

We need a Democratic House and Senate in ‘07, and then we need a Democratic President taking the oath in ‘09. Then, and only then, will America begin to get back on track.

KD

Posted by: KansasDem at October 19, 2006 12:46 AM
Comment #188905

KD

Home ownership is at its highest levels ever. Between 68% and 72% depending on region. Who do you think owns all these homes, the rich, the poor, I would think that most of them were middle class wouldn’t you?

Posted by: Keith at October 19, 2006 12:55 AM
Comment #188906

Wow! The “middle class” is disappearing.

Actually, the middle class is bigger stronger than ever. But you wouldn’t know, would you?

We’ve all heard Bush say that his “base” is the “haves” and the “have mores”! Where does that leave most of us?

Actually, that is most of us (the haves and have mores, not Bush’s base).
Take a look around the country and see how the American people live their lives.

Posted by: TheTraveler at October 19, 2006 1:07 AM
Comment #188907


“To stay within the rules of participation I will just say that was one of the most idiotic posts I’ve ever read here.
Posted by: Keith at October 19, 2006 12:27 AM”

Wow, now you worry about rules? Need I remind you of this:

“Paul

How do people this stupid get their own blog???

keith
Posted by: keith at October 17, 2006 11:41 PM”

Uh, maybe I’m missing some pieces to the puzzle. Was a Priest involved? Maybe evwen a Bishop?

KD

Posted by: KansasDem at October 19, 2006 1:19 AM
Comment #188908

“evwen” should be even.

Sorry.

KD

Posted by: KansasDem at October 19, 2006 1:21 AM
Comment #188910

“Actually, the middle class is bigger stronger than ever. But you wouldn’t know, would you?”

Really? Have you watched Lou Dobbs’ “War on the Middle Class” or is that too far away from FOX for you?

You might check out some numbers here:
http://www.epi.org/content.cfm/datazone_dznational

Of course you won’t actually look.

Actually, I’m personally PO’ed that you would say, “you wouldn’t know, would you?”. Just how the hell do you know what I know?

KD

Posted by: KansasDem at October 19, 2006 1:33 AM
Comment #188912

KD

Wrong Keith

I never said that…..

Posted by: Keith at October 19, 2006 1:36 AM
Comment #188915

KD

Just to clarify. I definitely said that pissed off’s comments were idiotic, juvenile and insane (ok I just embellished it a little).

Howver I never said anything to Paul about his blog.

Posted by: Keith at October 19, 2006 1:46 AM
Comment #188922

Have you watched Lou Dobbs’ “War on the Middle Class”

No.

or is that too far away from FOX for you?

Don’t watch that, either.

Actually, I’m personally PO’ed that you would say, “you wouldn’t know, would you?”. Just how the hell do you know what I know?

I read your post.
You obviously need to stop drawing conclusions from ambiguous numbers and start looking at the way the people around you live. Americans as a whole are more well off than they ever were, and that includes the poor.
That doesn’t mean we’re doing everything right economically, just look at the debt.

Maybe I’m just looking to far into what you said originaly, but you seemed to be implying that the middle class is growing poorer, which it isn’t. I just want you to understand that the “haves and have mores” does include the middle class.

Posted by: TheTraveler at October 19, 2006 2:51 AM
Comment #188933

Just remember, most people do not like “big mouth liberals” such as Pelosi, Rangel, Kennedy. Most people do not like government trying to run their lives with seatbelt laws, smoking bans, transfat bans…it’s all about Big Brother Democrat trying to control your life and tell you what is good for you. Republicans will prevail again because Democrats come across as know it all, cocky, and smug!

Posted by: Maxcroft Squire Muhldoon at October 19, 2006 6:15 AM
Comment #188949

Cocky and Smug, Delay, Frist, Bush, Gingrich, Bunning, Cheney, Rumsfield,…and so on and so forth. Definetly the pot calling the kettle black.

Posted by: j2t2 at October 19, 2006 9:43 AM
Comment #188963

We see what the Right has done. We see what the Left is doing. Both sides sit and watch as the Neocons commit treason. Where is the partisanship? They are all in bed together.

There are prophecies foretelling the days we live in now. They also foretell the future. The Right knows the prophecies and works feverishly to make them true. The Left denies the prophecies are true and does nothing.

Me? I know the prophecies. How do you fight the inevitable? Even when evil is winning? That scares me more than Osama bin Bush ever could!

Those of you with open minds should take a look at the books of Daniel and Revelations in the Bible. These clearly show world events getting much worse before the end. We can’t stop it. But we can delay it. How, you ask?

Voting? No, won’t work. They can control the outcome.
A better candidate? See above.

So, how?

Figure THAT out and we could actually live in a free country!

Posted by: frontline: 1600 pennsylvania avenue at October 19, 2006 10:40 AM
Comment #188974

KansasDem

I said the “idiot” remark. It was not uppercase Keith but the lower case keith. Having said that, I think that if this is true:

“You’re under the false impression that Pelosi, Conyers and Rangel are the ones in charge of things. You even throw in Dean, on occasion. What you fail to realize is that they couldn’t do shit if it weren’t for us. We’re the true leaders.”

We are in serious trouble in the Democrats take control.

keith

Posted by: keith at October 19, 2006 11:38 AM
Comment #188983

Keith, you said “Home ownership is at its highest levels ever. Between 68% and 72% depending on region. Who do you think owns all these homes, the rich, the poor, I would think that most of them were middle class wouldn’t you?”

Have you not read the news? Foreclosures are now at their highest levels ever, and are forecasted to get higher. Too many of the middle and lower classes, who thought they could finally afford a home based on the wonderful mortgages offered, are seeing their adjustables rise to un-affordable rates. Home ownership is about to take a HUGE fall, taking the housing market, and the middle class, down with it.

Posted by: Kc at October 19, 2006 12:44 PM
Comment #188989
Home ownership is at its highest levels ever. Between 68% and 72% depending on region. Who do you think owns all these homes, the rich, the poor, I would think that most of them were middle class wouldn’t you?

What about all the fore-closures that have occurred recently? Job lay-offs,etc. I know, I know, we’ve got “more employed” now that ever before, just at lower wages…

Keith and keith:
Don’t feel too bad about the mix-up…there’s a Linda and myself, Linda H. that I suuspect are being confused.

Posted by: Linda H. at October 19, 2006 12:57 PM
Comment #188993

Just to weigh in on this—-as a social worker, we have more two working parents living in homeless shelters with their children than ever before, because they cannot afford to pay rent and buy food with wages at close to minimun wage. We have more credit card debt than ever before by families trying to make ends meet by buying on credit. And this is not for cars or vacations—-but for food and clothes. THere are more families who are unable to pay for college for their children than ever before because of the college costs going through the roof adn although a college education is the new High school education where the job market is concerned, more young people are leaving college with huge debts to pay that are also taking away their income and the new college loans don’t take into effect time to look for a job or illness or anything. When college is done, you pay.
Middle class is now the working poor or the upper class. there does not seem to be any inbetween. Look at our schools and you can see that. More and more families with money are sending their children to independent schools and families with no money to spend use the public schools or are homeschooling.

Posted by: judyelh at October 19, 2006 1:12 PM
Comment #189005

You’re all fools. Both sides trade volleys of statistics supporting conflicting arguements. They know that most of us are ignorant, undereducated, apathetic Americans. Most of us just accept the arguements and statistics at face value.

The truth is, the system is failing because “we the people” are no longer actively engaged in it. We have abdicated our role in the destiny of our great nation to the rich and elite (who are represented by members of both parties).

Know, decide, and act.

Until we all take this to heart, we will continue down the path of failure.

We owe it to future generations (and the previous ones who fought and sacrificed for our freedoms) to be informed, honorable, active citizen of our nation.

Know, decide, and act.

Posted by: Ryan M at October 19, 2006 2:15 PM
Comment #189008

Democrats, no need to worry.

Democrats are highly likely to win the majority in the House, and maybe the Senate too.

However, this won’t make Congress responsible.
Congress won’t learn much from this election.

The Democrat’s turn at being the “IN PARTY” may be short-lived if they don’t solve some of this nations serious problems before 2008. Watch … immediately after this election, incumbent politicians and will be right back to votin’ on pork-barrel, corporate welfare, waste, graft, bribes, votin’ themselves raises and cu$hy perks. And newcomers to congress will be powerless to change anything, because they will be, as usual, vastly out-numbered by irresponsible, bought-and-paid-for, look-the-other-way, corrupt incumbent politicians.

Personally, I don’t think Democrats will be able to solve much between now and 2008. They may even make it worse. Especially with regard to illegal immigration and securing the borders, tax reform, growing the government larger, corpocrisy, corporatism, education, healthcare, continuing to plunder Social Security surpluses, etc. Of course, Democrats will blame Republicans and say Democrats inherited all those problems. Never mind that BOTH did it together for many decades. Don’t forget, Democrats have been in power a good deal longer than Republicans who blew it in a relatively short period of time. Republicans have only had a small lead in the last 8 years. Don’t forget the corruption in BOTH parties.

Before you vote to re-elect YOUR incumbents (a symptom of the Gonnerrhea-lectum disease), go look at YOUR congress persons’ voting record.

Posted by: d.a.n at October 19, 2006 2:26 PM
Comment #189044

“Their strategy is to be NOT Republicans.”

Right now, that sounds good enough for me.
Funny as hell to see bush sneak into a town for a big money fundraiser, but wont be seen with the actual candidate in public for fear being seen with him/her will hurt their campaign.

keith,
“I will just say that was one of the most idiotic posts I’ve ever read here.”

Ever read any of yours?

“Home ownership is at its highest levels ever.”

As a result of the unprecedented low interest rates combined with new “interest only” loans where you can actually borrow your downpayment from your supposed “equity”. Foreclosures are also skyrocketing.

traveller,
“Actually, the middle class is bigger stronger than ever. But you wouldn’t know, would you?”

Not according to actual facts, but you wouldn’t know about them, would you?
http://www.factcheck.org/article249.html

“Take a look around the country and see how the American people live their lives.”

To the limit of their credit!

Posted by: Observer at October 19, 2006 4:34 PM
Comment #189046

“We are in serious trouble in the Democrats take control.”

keith,
why don’t you enthrall us with a detailed scenario about the disaster that will befall America if Democrats take the house back.
Maybe you can scare a few people into voting rep, since fear is all that seems to motivate the right.

Posted by: Observer at October 19, 2006 4:41 PM
Comment #189070

Observer, find some statistics that are more current. Your factcheck reference dates back to 2003, when we were still pulling out of a recession. I suspect those numbers have turned around considerablly as the economy has grown through 2004 and 2005.

The facts are this: in spite of a recession from 2000 - 2001 and devastating terrorist attacks on 9/11, US unemployment, inflation, and interest rates are all historically low, and consumer spending remains strong. Though not perfect, our economy is the envy of the rest of the world.

I agree that as a nation we still have too much credit and don’t save enough and a myriad of other issues, and I empathize for those who are struggling. But I also know that many people who claim hardship live beyond their means in houses that are too big, driving gas-guzzling cars and gobbling up the latest high-tech gadgets.

Just remember that things are relative. It’s nice to complain, especially if you don’t like the party in power. But as Americans we really do have it pretty good.

Posted by: nchoosier at October 19, 2006 5:47 PM
Comment #189085
KD

Home ownership is at its highest levels ever. Between 68% and 72% depending on region. Who do you think owns all these homes, the rich, the poor, I would think that most of them were middle class wouldnt you?

Posted by: Keith at October 19, 2006 12:55 AM

Isn’t it amazing how the laws have been changed under the Bush Administration so that bankrupcy does not excuse debt.

So beside being foreclosed on when the interest rates on those whopping $800k and million dollar homes goes up (which it will - no matter who wins) then beside being homeless, you’ll still owe every nickel of ALL of your debts.

Good Job Republicans… you protected your special interests with the credit card companies and lenders.

By the way… check the statistics on the recent rate of foreclosures… its (housing market collapse) already begun.

Posted by: Pat at October 19, 2006 7:13 PM
Comment #189089
We are in serious trouble in the Democrats take control.

The GOPs got you working overtime on this blog… if you need a reference for Head of FEMA let me know… you’re probably more qualified than the last guy that held the job.

Posted by: Pat at October 19, 2006 7:28 PM
Comment #189090
Though not perfect, our economy is the envy of the rest of the world.
I hear comments like this a lot, but I have yet to hear anyone in the “rest of the world” back it up. It always makes me think of the year 1999, when a couple of older friends from London were visiting me in the US. One of the comments they kept repeating was that although it was nice here, people definitely didn’t seem to be as well off as in England. Remember, this was 1999…back when our economy was really booming, before 9/11, before a pointless, misguided, and wasteful war began, and before all the damage the Bush administration and its rubber-stamping Congress caused to our way of life. Yeah, they all envy us…sure they do.
Posted by: Introspective at October 19, 2006 7:29 PM
Comment #189101

Introspective, a couple points. First, I didn’t say that Europeans envied Americans. I’m sure they probably don’t. I said they envied our economy. Second, just because you haven’t heard anybody say they envied our economy (or us) doesn’t make it not so.

The European economy is growing slower than that of the US. Their inflation and unemployment rates are generally higher. Their taxes are generally higher. Businesses are more regulated. My point again is compared to the rest of the world our economy is humming.

Posted by: nchoosier at October 19, 2006 8:40 PM
Comment #189109

nchoosier: Yes things are relative. That is why one should speak for themselves about how the economy is doing.Did you know that the infant mortality rate for US is worse than Cuba’s,all of Western Europe and Canada? We are about even with Latvia. Do you realize those people you watched on TV at the Superdome in New Orleans that were too poor to get out were there before Katrina,before you paid attention ,as they are in every city?Did you know that wages are flat and falling? Has it occurred to you that just maybe the reason our saving rate is so low is because we cannot afford to put any money away,not because we are stupid or spendthrift? Stop blaming the victums.
Tkae a look at the defficit. This economy is running on bad checks. Why does this hurt us? Because when we get an opportunity for real,sustainable economy we will need capital and the government will suck it up. That was one of reasons the Clinton expansion went on so long. There was free capital because of a balanced budget to fuel the dot-com boom.This economy is a house of cards.

Posted by: BillS at October 19, 2006 9:15 PM
Comment #189111

BillS - thanks for the response. I can’t speak to the infant mortality rate. I’m not sure what that has to do with the economy? I know there are poor among us - I haven’t denied that. There will always be poor in this country. And I agree that the national deficit is out of control and needs to be reigned in. But I don’t see where you can say the economy is not doing well.

The company that I work for (a manufacturer, with many plants in the US) is thriving. When I go to a shopping mall the parking lot is packed. In the city where I live there are still new home communities, and some with very large homes, going up all over the place. And as I mentioned in my first post, all this just 5 years removed from a recession and the 9/11 attacks.

Since you brought up Clinton, did you forget that the dot-com boom came crashing down, even before Bush took office? And that we were in a recession when Bush took office?

I’m not saying Bush has done everything right. Lord knows he’s made his share of mistakes. I’m just saying you can’t say our economy isn’t strong.

Posted by: nchoosier at October 19, 2006 9:32 PM
Comment #189124

Observer

“Maybe you can scare a few people into voting rep, since fear is all that seems to motivate the right”

I love that part about the reps being all about fear.

Do you actually read the stuff on this blog or listen to the Dem leaders. It’s as if the sky is falling.

“The housing market is terrible, the economy is going to crumble, we are destroying the world, Global warming. I could go on, but why bother.

Posted by: Keith at October 19, 2006 10:44 PM
Comment #189125

nchoosier,

First, I didn’t say that Europeans envied Americans. I’m sure they probably don’t. I said they envied our economy.
And I didn’t say that Europeans envied Americans either—I said they don’t envy our economy. Can you point to a source that says otherwise?
Second, just because you haven’t heard anybody say they envied our economy (or us) doesn’t make it not so.
I also haven’t heard anybody say that small shrimp-like creatures live inside the gas clouds of Uranus. I guess I can’t rule out that possibility either?
My point again is compared to the rest of the world our economy is humming.
The problem here is that your definition of a “good” economy is very narrow in scope, and ignores many factors that are much more important to people than high GDP or corporate profit margins. Good statistics are meaningless unless they translate to improved quality of life, and that is not happening in this country. We may treat corporations better than people in this country, but corporations don’t have emotions. Only people can feel envy, and the general consensus I’ve gotten from Europeans I’ve encountered is that they wouldn’t want to live here because the quality of life is worse. They don’t envy our “prosperity”, because they don’t see it.

Posted by: Introspective at October 19, 2006 10:47 PM
Comment #189156

nchoosier: The infant mortality rate is a good indicater of how the economy is affecting real peoples lives. A high rate generally means poor nutrition and lack of medical access.clearly functions of economics.
If you are a boomer you may remember when both parents did not have to work. There were always parents around to keep an eye the kids. Now when one goes to a working class nieghborhood during the day they are like ghosttowns. It is not by choice. Just to stay even both parents must work and it is getting harder. Average incomes were going up under Democratic economic policies and the poverty rate was going down. Under Republican policies just the opposit is happening. Next year you will start to see cars made in China. The Chinese are paying a 2% duty. American cars going to China pay a 25% duty.This is a Republican trade agreement. Some fatcats will make plenty of money.Maybe build one of those big homes you mentioned. Is that good economics?

Posted by: BillS at October 20, 2006 1:35 AM
Comment #189408

Where is the democratic parties balanced budget? Did they put one forward? No? Can anyone even remember the last time a democratic controlled congress balanced a budget? Was it in our life time? It took a republican congress under Newt G to sweep out the democrats and put forward a blananced budget. a budget by the way that Clinton opposed for 6 months until he finally scumb and agreed to it.

What was the democrate plan for sealing the boarder? Fixing social security? Medicare?

Oh gee, there isn’t any!

Posted by: Stephen at October 21, 2006 12:46 AM
Comment #189416
Where is the democratic parties balanced budget?
Every budget approved by a Democratic Congress is remarkably balanced compared to any budget that has been approved since the current administration has taken power. The days that the Republicans can claim that they are the party of fiscal responsibility are long in the past…
What was the democrate plan for sealing the boarder? Fixing social security? Medicare? Oh gee, there isn’t any!
Nonsense. The Democrats do not have all the answers, but their answers are at least as good as the misguided drivel spewed out by the Republicans on these issues.
Posted by: Introspective at October 21, 2006 2:09 AM
Comment #189488

we can’t solve the world by blogging..I think its time for the “people” (that’s us) to take control of our destiny and stop politicians (mainly Repulicaians) from milking in our glass.

Who’s got Milk?

Posted by: Nicole at October 21, 2006 7:07 PM
Comment #189489

I’m voting for Hilary. It’s time for women to take the bull by its horn and steer this country in a stronger direction. Men obsiously can’t think beyond the horns.

Posted by: nicole at October 21, 2006 7:19 PM
Comment #190636

Its all going to about issues and democrats are not talking about protecting america they blame our country do you really wont someone like that in our senate not me. Democrats belive they already won with these scandels in the republican party they want to think we will get mad and not vote Im not a cut and run consertive I will vote and on issues that is best for America. I will not just stand buy and let them raise our taxes the econemy is doing alot better since that bill been past people just don’t see that they only care of the bad thing’s happining in the world not the good that coming out of this. Like I said The democrates are celebarting way to early and it will turn out bad for them all this stuff will backfire on them.

Posted by: Jeremy at October 26, 2006 10:44 PM
Comment #191040

democrats will loose the elections because they are fool enough not to realize that those who lied about everything to american people will not stop at rigging the elections to win, somebody sais once: those who vote decide of nothing, it is those who count the votes that decide of everything, it was Joseph Stalin, that with a 1000 miles wall you see where America is going….

Posted by: goby at October 28, 2006 3:00 AM
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