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I desperately need your wisdom and insight. I have been trying figure this ill begotten son of the founder of the Bush Dynasty out. Maybe you can help me out here??? I am only a lowly terrorist loving liberal tree hugger after all.

In my last article titled: "The Fog of War" I wrote:

I have been trying to figure Bush out for some time. Is he stupid, idiotic, evil, dry drunk, or sincerely passionately religious. Presently, I am leaning toward the idea of idiotic, dry drunk, sincerely religious.

In my article titled:Iran Has won the war. Its time to sue for peace. I wrote:

We, especially the royal dry drunk WE assume that their only strategic objective is the elimination of the state of Israel.,

And - projecting Bush's persona onto America I wrote:

This is where and how the moose should take its stand... By "blaming America first' - because we are patriotic and we love it. Because by "blaming America first" we can look at the things that we can actually change. Because by "blaming America first" we can get our head out of our grandiose, egotistical, self centered, holier than thou, self righteous, "world's only super power" ass. It is dark in here. We are not going to see the truth until we pull our head out - and - the real patriots will gently point that out to us.

I also wrote in my article titled: A new Entry for Ray's Brief Dictionary of Political Buzz Words and Phrases

Liar (LI-AR) Noun. See George Bush. No, really... If you want to see a liar - see George Bush... well... or Bill Clinton... Karl Rove... Scooter... Delay... OK, alright, pretty much any politician is a liar.

1.) A person who repeatedly says that Americans are never spied on without a warrant even when they know that it is a bald faced lie. 2.) A person who repeatedly says that the illegal warrant-less spying on Americans is a very limited program even when they know that it also includes the creation and data mining of a huge data base on all Americans that is outsourced to the same private company which illegally, incorrectly, and improperly purged over 90,000 predominately democratic black voters from the voter rolls in just one county in Florida just prior to the 2000 presidential election. A private company which completely circumvents all constitutional privacy protections and which can link that data base with its other huge voter profile data bases and use it to steal future elections for the Republicans - Hmmm... A private company which received over one billion dollars in no-bid contracts after helping to steal the 2000 presidential election for the Honorable George W. Bush. 3) A person who says that they will fire anybody who committed treason and leaked classified information, and then keeps Karl Rove in his cabinet. 4.) A person who say that he will do "not just what is legal, but what is right" and then runs the most corrupt administration in recent history. 5.) A person who keeps going back to a grand jury and "remembering" "new details" after his previous testimony has been proven to be a bald faced lie. 6.) A person who says: "That woman did not lick my cigar... well it all depends on what the meaning of cigar is - is." has committed two, count em, two of the seven deadly sins. But at least he had fun and he never committed treason... Of coarse, treason actually is not a deadly sin, so maybe that is why this, born wrong the first time, so called Christian, president does not mind doing it (treason I mean - not licking cigars - although he probably does that too - he did have that male prostitute hanging around the West Wing - everybody figures he was there for Rove or maybe Cheney), and keeping people in his cabinet that do it (treason). It really is not that bad. It is only American national security and the lives of intelligence assets. 7.) Scooter. 8.) A person who says that it is fair to give a four percent tax cut to his friends that make one million dollars per year and only a give 4.5 one hundredths of one percent tax cut to a person who works for twenty thousand dollars per year. On a percentage of income basis, that is about ninety times as much to his rich friends - and that is what this born wrong the first time, so called Christian calls fair. On actual dollar basis of coarse - the math is easy - it is over 4400 times as much to his corrupt rich friends.

So, anyhow, there are an endless number of these - clearly I don't like Bush, I have never trusted him, and I never will. But I have been trying to figure this guy out. At first, I thought that Bush was liar and was just cynically pretending to be a Christian for the purpose of using Christianity to manipulate the American people to vote for him. Lately, I have come to a grudging respect. I have come to the conclusion that even though he may be self righteous, that his religion may be absolutist, misguided, judgemental, and holier than thou - that at least he was a sincere believer.

Now This:

According to Keith Olbermann on Countdown there is a new kiss and tell book about the Bush Regime by David Kuo titled: Tempting Faith, that reveals that the Bush Regime was just playing Christians for fools. They would hug them, give them little paper tablets, post it notes, or cuff links with white house logos and then refer to them as "the nuts" - "goofy" - and ridiculous behind their backs. The Bush Regime was correct of course. Pat Robertson, Dobson, Falwell, and Perkins, and their ilk are nuts, goofy, and ridiculous. But this is turning my head around again. I feel dizzy. I need to sit down - OH that's right, I am sitting down. I don't know what to believe anymore. I have a crisis of faith - a crisis of faith in the Presidency - that is. I don 't know whether I should feel relieved that the Bush Regime is not as "goofy" and "nuts" as Pat Robertson??? Or whether I should feel offended that the Bush Regime is a bunch of manipulative, back stabbing liars that are playing millions of sincere, good, honest, hard working, faithful Christians for idiots and fools??? Or whether I should feel both??? My head is spinning. Help me wise and wonderful Republicans. In my darkest hour of need, I tarry here in the garden waiting for you to come and lead me out of the darkness - or to my crucifixion. Which will it be?

Lions lay in their lair as lying liars lie in the white house, but the white house is a lair for lying liars whether occupied by Democrat, Republican or Independent. But it is doubly a lair for liars when occupied by a son of a "Read my Lips" Republican. Is our memory so short that we forget about Iran - Contra which Daddy Bush was involved in... ...and you wonder where "Big Brother" Bush learned to be a lying liar in a lair.

Posted by Ray Guest at October 13, 2006 6:00 PM
Comments
Comment #188025
Lions lay in their lair as lying liars lie in the white house, but the white house is a lair for lying liars whether occupied by Democrat, Republican or Independent. But it is doubly a lair for liars when occupied by a son of a “Read my Lips” Republican. Is our memory so short that we forget about Iran - Contra which Daddy Bush was involved in… …and you wonder where “Big Brother” Bush learned to be a lying liar in a lair.
That’s pretty good. Well done. Did you create that yourself? Posted by: d.a.n at October 13, 2006 8:38 PM
Comment #188037

“According to Keith Olbermann on Countdown there is a new kiss and tell book about the Bush Regime by David Kuo titled: Tempting Faith, that reveals that the Bush Regime was just playing Christians for fools.”

I had not heard that. I have to admit it would be quite bad for President Bush if that turned out to be the case, but it is not like he is going to get impeached anyways.

Posted by: Zeek at October 13, 2006 9:41 PM
Comment #188041

You see a lot of things on TV and you can read a lot of things in books. Lots of them are not true.

Watch the latest South Park re 9/11 conspiracies. Lots of things can be made to sound logical. The ring of truth is not truth.

Posted by: Jack at October 13, 2006 10:10 PM
Comment #188042

I’m from Texas. I’ve been exposed to “the Shrub” longer than most of you.

I wonder everyday how the vast majority of you don’t watch our president talk and see what I see. A fool. I don’t know if he is ignorant, ubber religious, calculating or clueless. He is a fool.

Don’t try to make more out of it than that. It will just give you a headache.

Posted by: tex at October 13, 2006 10:12 PM
Comment #188044

Tex.. The shurb I love it hope you don’t mind if I use it. Take heart he’s not really from Texas just a fake cowboy.

Posted by: Jeff at October 13, 2006 10:19 PM
Comment #188047

“Take heart he’s not really from Texas just a fake cowboy.”

Who’s afraid of horses, for gods sake.
If you want to read a good book on bush, read Molly Ivins “Shrub”. She’s a straight talking texas political animal who’s as astonished as anyone that jr. is actually admired by ANYONE.

Posted by: Observer at October 13, 2006 10:52 PM
Comment #188048


You can find quite a few books and articles that call Bush a fool and his administration a pack of treasonous, corrupt, liars. They are only scratching the surface though.

Posted by: jlw at October 13, 2006 10:55 PM
Comment #188052

Jack:
“You see a lot of things on TV and you can read a lot of things in books. Lots of them are not true.”

I guess Jack doesn’t know who David Kuo is — he’s only the former Special Assistant to President Bush and the Deputy Director of the Office of Faith-Based and Community Initiatives. If what that guy is saying isn’t true, then who in America is a fanatical, issue-driven voting Christian to believe?
I’ll tell you who — nobody.

Bush is a fake and a charlatan — he doesn’t give a damn about Christians — he uses them.
Congress is full of Republicans who are fakes and charlatans — who don’t give a damn about Christians — but use them.
Robertson/Dobson/ Falwell/Perkins et al, are fakes and charlatans, every single one.
Indeed all preachers who get rich and wield power through the gullibility of their Christian followers are fakes and charlatans who never have, and never will give a damn about their followers as people. If such men did care and if they truly were Christians, they’d be urging all of these people to be generous and help the poor whenever and wherever possible, and then they’d tell them to also try to save a bit for their own retirements — rather than make the likes of themselves into the rich, worldly, global investors they are.

Jesus:

“No one can serve two masters; for either he will hate the one and love the other, or else he will be loyal to the one and despise the other. You cannot serve God and mammon (riches).

PS. Well done, Ray!
PPS. I agree with tex — our president is nothing more than a fool — a dishonest, secretive, lying fool.

Posted by: Adrienne at October 14, 2006 12:25 AM
Comment #188056

These damn Myoclonic Seizures are making communication a real bitch, but please read this article:

http://www.taylormarsh.com/archives_view.php?id=24643

That pretty well expresses my view.

KD

Posted by: KansasDem at October 14, 2006 1:12 AM
Comment #188073

Ray:

Im not sure what you are asking for. You begin by asking for help, but in your post you never actually do ask for help. You say “Maybe you can help me out here???”, but you then go on to simply paste a number of your previous opinions about Bush.

Perhaps you just wanted a forum to repost your own words once again. Or perhaps you wanted to convince yourself further as to what you think of Bush. I don’t know. What I DO know is that you have your mind clearly made up. Your request for help was a strawman set up to allow you to expound in all your wisdom about why you don’t like Bush.

I’ve decided that one of the problems with our society right now is the lack of intelligent discussion. Your post fits into my premise that people no longer are interested in what others have to say—they simply want to hear themselves talk. You asked for help in understanding Bush, but you never asked a legitimate question about Bush. You simply continued on to bash him with your words, not really looking for an alternate viewpoint, perhaps because you’ve already decided on your viewpoint.

What our society truly needs is people willing to attempt to understand their philosophical or political opponents. This isn’t to say we must agree with them but in our search to better understand them, we can find more about our own beliefs.

Ray, its obvious you don’t like Bush. I can tolerate your viewpoint, even while I disagree with it. If you truly want a better understanding, then you need to try to figure out why intelligent and reasonable people could possibly approve of a man who you paint as impossible to approve of. Some in here would simply reach the uninformed conclusion that anyone who approves of Bush cannot be reasonable or intelligent, but that would be a simplistic and ignorant conclusion.

I have trouble understanding how people can approve of a variety of people, such as Cindy Sheehan, or Nancy Pelosi, or Jack Abramoff, or Ken Lay etc. But in discussion, I’ve at least pushed to better understand WHY they do. Only then can I truly assess their position with a deeper clarity, rather than the bumper sticker nature that so many use.

Posted by: joebagodonuts at October 14, 2006 6:11 AM
Comment #188079

Tsk Tsk Tsk, Adrienne,

Jesus:


“No one can serve two masters; for either he will hate the one and love the other, or else he will be loyal to the one and despise the other. You cannot serve God and mammon (riches).

PS. Well done, Ray!
PPS. I agree with tex — our president is nothing more than a fool — a dishonest, secretive, lying fool.

Posted by: Adrienne at October 14, 2006 12:25 AM

“But I say unto you, That whosoever is angry with his brother without a cause shall be in danger of the judgment: and whosoever shall say to his brother, Raca, shall be in danger of the council: but whosoever shall say, Thou fool, shall be in danger of hell fire.

——Jesus


Posted by: Duanne-o at October 14, 2006 7:11 AM
Comment #188097

Joebagodonuts:

I don’t think “intelligent and reasonable people” can approve of Bush. Because it seems to me that “intelligent and reasonable people” are people that can intelligently and reasonably deduce that Bush is a liar. I can only guess it is because they refuse to believe it since they see themselves as “intelligent and reasonable.”

Differences in viewpoints really have nothing to do with this. This man lies. All the time. I’m guessing that those who refuse to see what a liar this man is are people that believe if they walk away from Bush, they’re selling out their viewpoint. They aren’t. They are simply and finally using their “intelligence.”

Posted by: Chris at October 14, 2006 10:33 AM
Comment #188101

Duane-o quoted:
“But I say unto you, That whosoever is angry with his brother without a cause shall be in danger of the judgment: and whosoever shall say to his brother, Raca, shall be in danger of the council: but whosoever shall say, Thou fool, shall be in danger of hell fire.

——Jesus”


Without a cause? Get real Duane-o.

Posted by: Adrienne at October 14, 2006 11:08 AM
Comment #188104

Joebagodonuts,

Thanks for your reasonable sounding post. I agree that this article was not very substantive. But the issue of Bush’s sincerity is important for people to consider when casting their votes, other than that I was just having a little rhetorical fun - you are not going to convince me that Bush is worth the powder to blow him to hell. On the other hand I did ask real questions. Is he a sincere idiot or manipulative liar? You did not address the question. Apparently there is no good answer to that. Finally, I have written many substantive articles, for example: “The Fog of War” linked to above which only got 14 comments, (half of em mine), so don’t criticise me for not writing more substantive thoughtful articles when you don’t bother to read the thoughtful ones that I do write.

I want to thank Tex for standing up for Texans everywhere and making it clear that Bush is not one of them.

Posted by: Ray Guest at October 14, 2006 11:14 AM
Comment #188106

Exactly Adrienne….. Duane-o

“But I say unto you, That whosoever is angry with his brother without a cause shall be in danger of the judgment: and whosoever shall say to his brother, Raca, shall be in danger of the council: but whosoever shall say, Thou fool, shall be in danger of hell fire.

——Jesus

The “cause” is now 6 years long, and old!! Pull the blinders off, choke back the pride and and use your intelligence in a positive way.

Posted by: Sandra Davidson at October 14, 2006 11:20 AM
Comment #188113

Face it…. The Emperor has no clothes. The cowboy is not a cowboy. The common man is not really the common man.

It will take years to undo this mess.

Will November ever get here?

Posted by: tex at October 14, 2006 11:59 AM
Comment #188119

Matthew 5:22
But I say unto you, 1That whosoever is angry with his brother without a cause shall be in danger of the judgment: 2and whosoever shall say to his brother, Raca, shall be in danger of the council: 3but whosoever shall say, Thou fool, shall be in danger of hell fire.

The Lord was making three seperate points here, with three varying degrees of punishment for each. He didn’t stipulate at all that there had to be a “cause” for you to call someone a fool. I think Dubya has done some dumb things, of course. I think if he lied, it wasn’t intentional because he told us something he actually believed to be true. When he makes stupid mistakes, my duty is to pray for him to make better decisions in the future, not to put myself in danger of hell fire by calling him a fool.

2 Peter 2:10
“But chiefly them that walk after the flesh in the lust of uncleanness, and despise government. Presumptuous are they, selfwilled, they are not afraid to speak evil of dignities”

Jude 1:8
“Likewise also these filthy dreamers defile the flesh, despise dominion, and speak evil of dignities.”

Posted by: Duane-o at October 14, 2006 12:16 PM
Comment #188136

I go to church, not to an internet chat line to talk with God.

Pseudo religiousity connected to politics produces absolutism. Check the last headline out of the middle east. Absolutism at it’s very worst.

I would rather you seek God’s blessing and pray that we find our way out of this mess. I do that everyday. Privately.

Anything other than that puts me to sleep.


Posted by: tex at October 14, 2006 12:56 PM
Comment #188140

tex,

Then go lie down. Adrienne used a quote from Jesus to try to smear someone while calling the President a fool, so I just threw more scripture back at her to highlight her hypocrisy.

Posted by: Duane-o at October 14, 2006 1:03 PM
Comment #188143

Duane-o,

You must be confusing me with someone who is religious. I’m not. I’m Agnostic, therefore, I don’t sit around worrying whether I’m going to go to hell if I call things as I see them, and label George W. Bush a fool. Indeed, if there is a God, I like to think he/she/it would be of a highly rational and compassionate nature. A being who’d never fault me for speaking my mind and being brutally honest in my statements — most especially about a man who holds so much power over other people, yet clearly displays so much dishonesty, and possesses no rational or compassionate nature, himself.

The purpose of my quoting Jesus was simply to point out that according to the tenets of their supposed deep and abiding faith, all of those powerful people I spoke of are complete frauds.

Posted by: Adrienne at October 14, 2006 1:12 PM
Comment #188148

Adrienne,

Well said as usual.

Duane-o,

Welcome to your faith. I sort of invited it here with this style of writing. Some of us may not share your faith or have a different view, in which case, your points will carry little weight with us. You say that “Big Brother” Bush may have lied unintentionally - true. Some of his lies could have been unintentional honest mistakes, but most likely were bald faced lies. Some of his definately were bald faced lies. He repeatedly assured Americans that he would not wiretap Americans without a warrant - all the while knowing that he was wiretapping them without a warrant - those were bald faced lies. Someone how tells bald faced lies is, (by definition), a bald faced liar. Why should we believe that any of the lies that a bald faced liar tells are anything other than bald faced lies. There are other documented examples of “Big Brother” Bush knowingly telling bald faced lies. He is a knowing bald faced liar. I am not confused about that.

Posted by: Ray Guest at October 14, 2006 1:33 PM
Comment #188160

Joebagodonuts,

Well said. I got the same feeling reading the post.

Posted by: Brian B at October 14, 2006 2:29 PM
Comment #188188

Duane-o:

my duty is to pray for him to make better decisions in the future

Pray harder, it’s not working :)

Posted by: womanmarine at October 14, 2006 5:08 PM
Comment #188189

Ray wasn’t asking any real questions.

He was pointing out the fact that there is a 600 lb. gorilla sitting in our living room and a ever dwindling segment of our populace is continuing to call it a couch.

No one lies unintentionally. Well intented folks give out bad facts unintentionally. If there had not been a thousand clues that this was gonna be a mess I’d buy the unintentional non sense.

I will have to see some hard evidence that W didn’t intentionally ignore the facts he didn’t like. His war counsel needed this war. Why? Money, pride, power? Probably all of the above and more. In any case he disregarded the sound advice daddy Bush got and now we have a very mad wolf by the ears. Can’t let go and can’t hold on forever.

No one from this side of the aisle is asking you to despise the president. But the God in heavans sake please acknowledge that the gorilla is not a couch. It would help in the credibility department.

Posted by: tex at October 14, 2006 5:29 PM
Comment #188224

Tex

“He was pointing out the fact that there is a 600 lb. gorilla sitting in our living room and a ever dwindling segment of our populace is continuing to call it a couch. “

You really shouldn’t talk about Hillary like that.

Posted by: Keith at October 14, 2006 8:59 PM
Comment #188233

Ray,
Good post. Somewhat strongly worded, but good,
Adrienne,
You have been on FIRE lately. Keep it up.
Jbag,
Thanks for your even-keeled response to ray’s post. If there could be more of that kind of expression of opinion here, we would all benefit.

I have long opined that the shrub is a phony, an impostor, NOTHING that he makes himself out to be.

Is he compassionate? Is he conservative? Is he a uniter(!)? Is he a southerner/westerner? Remember his rant against nation building in the 2000 election debates? Remember the cherry-picked intel during the buildup to the Iraq fiasco? Remember the promise to fire anyone in his administration who divulged the name of any intel operatives?

I could go on and on, but, you get the picture. Profound moral corruption and cynicism.

If there is much reality in this book that details the neo-con ridicule of those of the Christian right that supported them, well, it just might be the last nail in the Neo-con coffin.

Posted by: Steve Miller at October 14, 2006 10:16 PM
Comment #188249

I am so sorry , but unless some smart somebody gets enough sense to impeach Bush we still have 16 more months to put up with Mr. Bush, so our whining is not helping anything. He is here for the duration,
I really had my hopes up on smart special attorney. But that was a dud.
I still have a repubican friend that thinks Bushs sh— don’t stink. How after all this time I can’t for the life of me figture it out how a smart person can still believe in him. Of course this man has an gas well he ismaking money on.
I would not sell out my childrens or grandchildrens lives for money off a gas well.

Posted by: Suzieq at October 15, 2006 12:37 AM
Comment #188254

Ray:

I have read your posts. I did not know there was a requirement to respond to certain posts. Seems to me if only 7 people responded to your “Fog of War”, since the other 7 were your own responses, then perhaps the topic or the writing simply didn’t capture anyone’s attention.

On the other hand I did ask real questions. Is he a sincere idiot or manipulative liar?

Seriously, Ray, you really cannot be thinking that’s a substantive question, now can you? Allow me to ask you the same type of question: Have you stopped spitting on your mother yet?

See how silly it is? My substantive answer to your unsubstantive question is that Bush is neither of your choices. If you think those are the only two available options, then you prove my claims correct.

I agree with you on one thing: that Bush’s sincerity is a legitimate question. It isn’t necessarily relevant in 2006 in regard to elections since he cannot run again; it was more relevant in 2004 during his campaign.

Chris:

I actually think ALL politicians are liars, so let’s not isolate the issue to one politician only. But I’d say you make a large, but common mistake in your logic. Simply because you don’t like Bush, you seem to say that intelligent and reasonable people shouldn’t like Bush. That’s the position that many on the left take on issues: “If you disagree with me, then its because you are not smart enough to understand me”.

That kind of thinking is a major reason Democrats have lost the last two Pres elections, in my opinion. Dems have not done a good job of getting their ideas out in front of the voters, as evidenced by the number of voters who don’t understand the Democratic platforms. Its far easier to blame others, whether it be voters or the opposition, than it is for Dems to look at themselves and make necessary changes.

If Dems have a good message, then it hasn’t gotten out enough. If they don’t have a good message (meaning not popular enough to win elections), then they need to modify their positions. It’s really that simple. But its hard work, and blaming the voters for being stupid, or the Republicans for not playing nice is much easier.

Posted by: joebagodonuts at October 15, 2006 1:02 AM
Comment #188276

Ah, Joe, maybe you’re right. “Intelligent and reasonable” people are just that — that doesn’t necessarily mean they have morals. So, yea, my assumption was wrong. Because what it really comes down to is that intelligent and reasonable people that have a certain set of morals/ethics against lying, cheating, killing, that sort of thing, cannot really support Bush.

And with regard to the “you’re not smart enough” attitude you feel you get from Dems… well, when people voted twice for a man who has no intelligence or competence, you have to wonder about Republicans. So is it a lack of morality or intelligence that is lacking in those that support Bush?

Posted by: Chris at October 15, 2006 9:05 AM
Comment #188286

joebagodonuts,

Thanks for your reasonable response again. Thanks for reading The Fog of War. I am sorry that it did not provoke debate from you or some others who read it. You Wrote:

Seriously, Ray, you really cannot be thinking that’s a substantive question, now can you? Allow me to ask you the same type of question: Have you stopped spitting on your mother yet?

See how silly it is? My substantive answer to your unsubstantive question is that Bush is neither of your choices. If you think those are the only two available options, then you prove my claims correct.

Your rhetorical question is not silly at all. My mother abandoned me at the age of 12. My crippled father and older brother got the guns in the car and we went “hunting” for her, with the stated intention of killing and her and her lover. If we had found her I intended to defend her, so you see, I stopped spitting on her immediately.

In my rhetorical question I gave you several options of what I see as reasonable explanations for Bush’s public persona, all of which you reject, but in writing this article I gave you the forum in which to present and support other alternative explanations for his persona. So far you have criticised my writing, but you have not presented and supported alternative explanations for his public persona. I am therefore left to assume that you are at a loss for words as to explain the glaring contradictions in his persona.

Bush’s sincerity is a pivotal issue in these midterm elections as well. First, these elections are a referendum on his failed policies in Iraq, Iran, Afghanistan, North Korea, and the good old U.S.A. Second, IF it is true that Bush has lied, back stabbed, and manipulated the Christians, added to the proven fact that he bald faced lied about illegal wiretapping, thereby increasing the strong and reasonable suspicions that he lied us into a quagmire in Iraq where it is now estimated that 600,000 Iraqis have died, and IF he has used lies, manipulation and terror to undermine and subvert The Constitution of the United States of America, and given that Republican Senators and Congressmen are his main support in pursuing these ineffective, incompetent and in my opinion, evil policies, then voting Republicans out of office is the best way to contain him. This election is all about him and where he has led this country with the support of the Republican congress, and his sincerity and veracity are absolutely central to the entire issue.

Posted by: Ray Guest at October 15, 2006 10:56 AM
Comment #188294

Steve Miller:
“Adrienne,
You have been on FIRE lately. Keep it up.”

Thanks Steve! Very kind of you to say.

“Profound moral corruption and cynicism.”

Yes, and foolishness and arrogance — it’s been right there in front of us all along — only now are Republican voters unable to avert their eyes, and must acknowledge what so many of us have been telling them. But sadly, first they had to call Liberals and Democrats every name in the book, most especially “Bush haters.”

“If there is much reality in this book that details the neo-con ridicule of those of the Christian right that supported them, well, it just might be the last nail in the Neo-con coffin.”

Don’t you think that it’s next to impossible for the Christian Right to get around this revelation (pun intended!)? I mean, despite the fact that they’ve forgiven him for practically everything, this is one of their own who has been as close as could be to the president and all the president’s men. Kuo is giving them the straight dope — that none of these men care the least about their agendas, instead, they’ve been used.
I just don’t see how they can ignore that now.
I’ve got a hunch that the Christian Right will be staying home in droves this coming election day.

Ray, great reply to Jbod. I think you’re absolutely right. This election is going to be a referendum on Bush’s poor character and all of his failed policies, and on the GOP Congress that has blindly facilitated every move he made.

Here’s a few good articles I read today:
Washington Post:
Doubts over Iraq drive a volatile U.S. campaign

Sunday Herald:
Bombs, gun squads, burials … one week in Iraq
As US troops fear a new onslaught, the head of the British army calls for a pullout, leaving Iraq’s future in the balance.

PS. to Kansas Dem — enjoyed your article link. And I’m very sorry to hear you’re feeling so poorly. Hard as it might be for you to communicate here sometimes, I appreciate that you do. IMO you are needed here KD, and I’m glad everyday when I read your posts.

Posted by: Adrienne at October 15, 2006 12:49 PM
Comment #188335

Ray

“added to the proven fact that he bald faced lied about illegal wiretapping”

To quote Ronald Reagan “there you go again”. That statement is a bald face lie in and of itself.

Posted by: Keith at October 15, 2006 6:31 PM
Comment #188343

Keith,

“Now, by the way, any time you hear the United States government talking about wiretap, it requires — a wiretap requires a court order. Nothing has changed, by the way. When we’re talking about chasing down terrorists, we’re talking about getting a court order before we do so. It’s important for our fellow citizens to understand, when you think Patriot Act, constitutional guarantees are in place when it comes to doing what is necessary to protect our homeland, because we value the Constitution.” -President George W. Bush. April 20, 2004.

Lie, flip-flop, falsehood, call it what you will, but it sure as hell wasn’t the truth.

Posted by: Liberal Demon at October 15, 2006 7:29 PM
Comment #188358

Liberal Demon,

Thanks.

Keith,

Which part of the quote of President George W. Bush that Liberal Demon posted was not a bald faced lie???

Posted by: Ray Guest at October 15, 2006 9:14 PM
Comment #188405

Ray,
Very well written. This Occupant of the White House will go down in history as “clueless” but some what effective. They have effectively gotten this country into a war based on evidence that will proove that they knew was wrong, give mega tax cuts to the wealthy, let people like Ken Lay draft energy policy, cuddle up then laugh at their supporters and shaft every working person.
Just a little over 3 weeks till we can send this mental midget a message even Karl Rove will understand. Send him Democrats in Congress, elect Democrats in every state and local election. Tell this Occupant that “We won’t take it any longer.” VOTE, VOTE,VOTE.

Posted by: C.T. Rich at October 16, 2006 3:12 AM
Comment #188407

Poor Kieth…

He was born with a “true believer” foot in his mouth.

Thanks for the memories Ann. A great lady, a greater Texan and the best friend working folks have had in charge of their affairs in a long time. She recognized the Shrub for what he was long before most. Too bad my fellow Texans didn’t.

Bush may have beat her but he never bested her.

Posted by: tex at October 16, 2006 4:56 AM
Comment #188436

In his new book “Fiasco” Thomas Ricks quotes a general who worked in Iraq, commenting on Bush, Cheney, Rumsfeld etc. and he says (I’m paraphrasing here) “These are smart guys. They’re intelligent men. But they are not wise men.” These are devious, calculating people. We would be wrong to label them stupid. But they often cannot see the forest for the trees, they have poor managerial skills, no follow through, they think tactically, but not strategically. (Think: taking out Iraq, leaving Iran to become the dominant power in the region.) And they are misguided. On top of that, they are all arrogant which means they don’t listen to their people on the ground who know what the real situation is.

Posted by: Bob at October 16, 2006 12:17 PM
Comment #188442

is anyone else sick to death of the republicans thinking they have the only access to God? stop beating us to death w/your versions of the bible. it is clear, concise, and available for all, not just one political group. the reason for the separation of church and state are just as clear and concise. if you truly believe that the men in this administration are men of God, you may be following the false prophets straight to hell.

Jesus overturned the money exchangers tables for a reason. do you not believe that this administrations tables would not be turned over? do truly God fearing people really think that gwbush is a man of God? i do not remember ever reading in the bible where lying is acceptable at any level. i do however remember reading “thou shalt not lie”. that is one of the big 10.

it is time to turn his table over, and call him out as the liar he is.

Posted by: mar at October 16, 2006 1:15 PM
Comment #188465

Thanks Bob and mar,

I thought that I had written a pretty provocative article and the Repubs would come over here and crucify me or at least lead me out of the darkness. No such luck. It appears that the cat has their tongue… or maybe it is the NSA… Or maybe the extremist Repubs are fading back into the wood work and all that are left are moderate Repubs that don’t like Bush any better than we do.

Posted by: Ray Guest at October 16, 2006 6:21 PM
Comment #188609

Ray so you guys on the left have finally found your Bill Oreilly?Mr.OLBERMANN the same guy that gets about one tenth of the total Audiance that Bill gets.The same guy that competes with the weather channel and other news programs that nobody watches.Word is this world shaker will not be at MSNBC very much longer.I hear he will be joining bankrupt air America as a counter balance to Stewart Smally.Thats if they can pay thier Electric bill this month.If not maybe Nancy Polosi can intervean and get Food stamps for the Crew at air America.

Posted by: PETRO at October 17, 2006 3:34 PM
Comment #188666

PETROll,

Is it possilble that Ken gets 1/10th the audience of O’lielly because people who are smart enough to understand the truth don’t watch much TV?

Posted by: Dave1-20-09 at October 17, 2006 8:11 PM
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