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What Congress Accomplished

Congress is winding up this week. Some say that this was a “do-nothing” Congress. I think this is a bit harsh. Congress did accomplish something.

Two Congress watchers, Thomas Mann of the Brookings Institution and Norman Ornstein of the American Enterprise Institute wrote an op-ed titled "Our Do-Nothing Congress" (the online version is called "Our Pathetic Congress") that appeared in the L.A Times on Wednesday. Here are a few quotes demonstrating what they mean:

...it [Congress] is set to finish its tenure with the fewest number of days in session in our lifetimes, falling well below 100 days this year.

The typical workweek in Congress (when there is a week spent in Washington) starts late Tuesday evening and finishes by noon Thursday.

With just days to go before Congress adjourns and the fiscal year begins, not a single one of the 11 appropriations bills that make up the range of government programs has been enacted into law.

But the truth is, rigging the rules for partisan advantage has become routine.

It sounds bad. If you read the whole article it sounds worse. But Mann and Ornstein disregard the following (only a sample of) real actions:

  • Congress cut the taxes of the rich
  • Congress redefined bankruptcy rules to help banks collect money from those facing medical or financial tragedy
  • Congress provided subsidies and other goodies for energy companies
  • Congress protected pharmaceutical companies from Medicare drug subscribers who wanted cheaper drug prices
  • Congress enabled lawmakers to use taxpayer money - fancifully called "earmarks" - for special projects to help them get reelected
  • Congress made a citizen susceptible to incarceration without cause or redress, merely with the president calling him or her an enemy combatant
When you throw in these actions, you can't say Congress did nothing. What they did is worse than nothing. It favored the rich above all others. It corrupted our government. It placed a big hole in the middle of our Constitution.

This is a Republican Congress. Sure, we had bad Democratic Congresses. But none of them were anywhere as bad as this Congress was. Let's dump it.

Posted by Paul Siegel at September 29, 2006 5:40 PM
Comments
Comment #185192

They certainly were the most polished group ever. Even while taking their “mug shots”. May we see many more mug shots from this group.

Posted by: mar at September 29, 2006 6:32 PM
Comment #185197

Thankyou Paul Siegel; and thankyou mar…. you took the words right out of my mouth.

Lets see what the Rightwingers response to this is.

Posted by: Pat at September 29, 2006 6:54 PM
Comment #185200

Paul

Hoorah!!! The less Congress does the better. Laws don’t make things legal, they make them illegal. The less they do, the less they infringe on my freedom ( and yours too ).
That is my conservative response to that Pat (although you would probably call me a Rightwinger).

keith

Posted by: keith at September 29, 2006 7:05 PM
Comment #185208

Well one GOP member got some hot emails and instant messages.

While he resigned, he was the author of the child predator laws.
And chasing after boys in the Capitol.

Any reason to force the GOP into retirment so they can think about their values?

Posted by: Joe at September 29, 2006 7:38 PM
Comment #185214

I dont know what your complaining about. Sounds like Congress got a lot done for their “constituency”.
(the problem is who they VIEW as their constituency)
Can’t wait to hear how Rhiney and Pilsner are going to defend rep (former rep) foley.

Posted by: Observer at September 29, 2006 7:51 PM
Comment #185215

It doesn’t matter… Its all about perception, some will say this was a great Congress… and they’ll probably be all republicans.

Check out the article about Bush Supporters called “The World According to a Bush Voter”
By Jim Lobe

“A new survey reveals that Bush supporters choose to keep faith in their leader rather than face reality.”

Posted by: Pat at September 29, 2006 7:55 PM
Comment #185216

This quote from that article you posted Pat made me stop reading.

“he survey found that 72 percent of Bush supporters believe either that Iraq had actual WMD (47 percent) or a major program for producing them (25 percent). ”

That author is lying with the 72 percent statement. If you take another question about Iraq that gave 28% and add it in, then you can say 100% of Bush supporters believe either WMD, a program, or the hypothetical question.

I have little confidence in Bush Jr and less for the conclusions of the author of that article.

Posted by: bandman at September 29, 2006 8:03 PM
Comment #185219

“That author is lying with the 72 percent statement.”

NO, it’s accurate. It was the same question with different choices.
BUT, for some reason, your ignoring the scary fact that bush supporters seem to be amazingly misinformed. Sadam had NEITHER an active program, stockpiles, or infrastructure.

Posted by: Observer at September 29, 2006 8:19 PM
Comment #185228

Congress cut the taxes of the rich
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Just trying to figure out how many times you have to repeat this to make it real.

Congress cut the taxes of the rich
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Posted by: Keith at September 29, 2006 8:53 PM
Comment #185244

Keith - you only have to say it once to make it true. Facts are funny that way. However, lies that the rethugs say need to be repeated ad nauseum in thier talking points. The repug mantra; “The illegal we can do now, the unconstitutional takes a little longer.”

Posted by: vet24 at September 29, 2006 10:58 PM
Comment #185247

Yeah, Paul, agree with you 100 percent. Deregulation of business sure made corporations a lot more honest. I bet those former Enron employees who losts their pensions are real happy about it. Government is their to prevent the big fish from swallowing the smaller.

Posted by: sanbois at September 29, 2006 11:12 PM
Comment #185248

Sorry, I should have said Keith. Again, sorry Paul.

Posted by: sanbois at September 29, 2006 11:14 PM
Comment #185249
Can’t wait to hear how Rhiney and Pilsner are going to defend rep (former rep) foley.

Defend him? Why on earth would I do that? He’s scum and I’m glad he’s gone. I also agree very much with Paul’s article, the current Republican congress was pathetic.

I’m not sure why people continue to try and label people instead of listening to them, it really makes it hard to have any kind of healthy debate.

Posted by: Rhinehold at September 29, 2006 11:18 PM
Comment #185252

vet24

Facts what facts? Of course there were no tax cuts for the poor. They don’t pay any taxes.

It just proves the old adage facts to a liberal are like kryptonite to Superman.

Posted by: Keith at September 29, 2006 11:31 PM
Comment #185253

Pat

“A new survey reveals that Bush supporters choose to keep faith in their leader rather than face reality.” “

I went to you link. You do realize that that article was posted in October, 2004

Posted by: Keith at September 29, 2006 11:36 PM
Comment #185260

Paul,

Please forgive me but I must make a few small edits:

#1) Congress cut the taxes of the rich
AND INCREASED THE NATIONAL DEBT HORRENDOUSLY

#2) Congress redefined bankruptcy rules to help banks collect money from those facing medical or financial tragedy
AND THE FAILURE OF THIS POS IS OBVIOUS, BANKRUPTCIES AND FORECLOSURES ARE UP

#3) Congress provided subsidies and other goodies for energy companies
WHILE THEY WERE ENJOYING RECORD PROFITS

#4) Congress protected pharmaceutical companies from Medicare drug subscribers who wanted cheaper drug prices
AT A GREATER COST TO THE MIDDLECLASS AMERICAN TAXPAYER AND THIS WILL BANKRUPT MEDICARE MUCH SOONER

#5) Congress enabled lawmakers to use taxpayer money - fancifully called “earmarks” - for special projects to help them get reelected
NEITHER PARTY IS EXEMPT FROM THIS, NEITHER PARTY HAS TRIED VERY HARD TO STOP THIS PROCESS

#6) Congress made a citizen susceptible to incarceration without cause or redress, merely with the president calling him or her an enemy combatant
IT SEEMS THAT THE BUSH-BOTS STILL DON’T GET THAT! BUSH IS THE SUPREME POWER NOW AND HE CAN DECIDE WHAT’S BEST.

Geez, maybe it would be good if we formed a North American Union by 2010 and didn’t bother asking the American people what they thought about that.

Just keep voting for Republicans.

Nation building is good, gays are bad!

Corporate welfare is good, Social Security is bad!

Ownership society is good, those who don’t own should be controlled by those who do own, why else be an owner?

Just give the Republicans more time to get it right, we’ll be back to the early 1900’s in no time.

KansasDem

Posted by: KansasDem at September 30, 2006 12:40 AM
Comment #185295

Libs are being too harsh on Foley. Just because he is a Rep, they wont give him the same help and understanding. Maybe he needs to know that someone loves him. Lets just give him a hug. That will make it all better.
Lib legislators and judges have been protecting pedophiles for years. Lets not be hipocritical. I wonder how libs will defend Foley.

Posted by: JoeRWC at September 30, 2006 8:57 AM
Comment #185312

I posted this today on another Dem/Lib blog, it is my fairwell:

K.T. Rich & Steve Miller

VOTE, vote how?
What good will voting do? Get the, Democrat is “great” and Republician is “bad”, B.S. out of your eyes and just please, tell me how I am supposed to vote, to change this mess? (As if any vote will count, that could do any good, from the way voting frawd has run rampit in the last two elections.) Grow up! The deck has already been stacked, against America!

How many good Democrats do we have up there on the hill anyway? How many? You say we dont have enough. Enough for what? How many does it take to grow a pair? Huh? How many does it take to stand up and say,

“NO, NO, NO.THIS IS MY COUNTRY AND YOU WILL NOT, CAN NOT, MUST NOT, DISTROY IT, NEVER, WHILE THERE IS A BREATH IN MY BODY!”

I am turning off Air America. I have cancelled my Democrat email. And, just before I cancelled, on 9/28/06 I wrote them this:

“You absolute pukes!
How could you even think of letting what happened on the hill today happen?
Not enough votes my bloody ass!!!

If I were only a party of one, I would take that podium, and grab hold and I wouldnt stop talking or let go untill someone shot me in the head.

YOU BLOODY CHICKENS……
HOW DARE YOU BE A PARTY TO THE KILLING OF AMERICA!!!

Worthless, …… the whole lot of you!
I’ve had it!”

NOTICE TO ALL YOU DEMOCRATS AND LIBERALS OUT THERE!

America is Dead!

The 1st, 4th, 6th, 8th, and part of the 7th Amendments of the Constitution is dead, has been distroyed. What makes us free, what makes us great, what makes us what we are, IS DEAD

Heres what I wrote in case you missed it:

AMERICA DIED TODAY !!!

Washington, DC Sept.28th, 2006.

America died today and narry a shot was heard. The death of America came swiftly on the hill today, and not Democrat of Republician stood their ground in protection of (please excuse my spelling) havious corpous, the American people, or the Constitution of the United States of America.

There will be no funeral held, and many Americans will go on just the same and never know when it happened, or how. Many will see the headlines of Americas death, yet with little awareness or understanding.

I have been an American for over 60 years.
And, part of me died today, too. I feel dead inside. I know now, what it is like to be without a country. I am truly homeless.

With every year, every month, every day a horror, with this Administration, since Jan.21, 2001; I just really dont think that it could get much worse. And, now I really dont think that I can take it any more. I am ready to throw in the towel.

If America doesnt care, then it really is dead! What happened today (on the hill), just only served as a way to hold a very private service (of rememberance), of the dearly departed.

(No flowers were sent - It was a private ceramony ⦣x20AC;” with just family and a small group of friends, in attendance).

Posted by: PlayNice at September 28, 2006 11:06 PM

Now as for me? Im out of here. Ive had it. I would fight until I couldnt crawl anymore, if I thought I have a chance, if we had a chance to find the old America that I grew up with. When we had real morality, when Americans, all Americans were free, and the “Law of the Land”, was respected and obeyed.

AMERICA, YOU ARE LOST…..GET THE HELL OVER IT!

I am out of here. I am going to learn to live my life as a Republician. I am going to turn off the news, turn off talk radio, and learn to be ignorant about what goes on in this world politically.

I am going to fill my life with “feel good”, words and music, and sit and think that the “world is just a wonderful, happy place to live in”.

I am going to sell the house, find some nice island somewhere, where I can live off coconuts and bananas, “climb a tree and learn to play the flute”.

So have a nice life! (Pretending that you can change the world….the world of Bushs making, I hope you all enjoy — WWIII).


Posted by: PlayNice at September 30, 2006 10:40 AM
Comment #185317

(sorry)
K.T. Rich & Steve Miller

VOTE, vote how?
What good will voting do? Get the, Democrat is great and Republician is bad, B.S. out of your eyes and just please, tell me how I am supposed to vote, to change this mess? (As if any vote will count, that could do any good, from the way voting frawd has run rampit in the last two elections.) Grow up! The deck has already been stacked, against America!

How many good Democrats do we have up there on the hill anyway? How many? You say we dont have enough. Enough for what? How many does it take to grow a pair? Huh? How many does it take to stand up and say,

NO, NO, NO.THIS IS MY COUNTRY AND YOU WILL NOT, CAN NOT, MUST NOT, DISTROY IT, NEVER, WHILE THERE IS A BREATH IN MY BODY!

I am turning off Air America. I have cancelled my Democrat email. And, just before I cancelled, on 9/28/06 I wrote them this:

*****
You absolute pukes!
How could you even think of letting what happened on the hill today happen?
Not enough votes my bloody ass!!!

If I were only a party of one, I would take that podium, and grab hold and I wouldnt stop talking or let go untill someone shot me in the head.

YOU BLOODY CHICKENS……
HOW DARE YOU BE A PARTY TO THE KILLING OF AMERICA!!!

Worthless, …… the whole lot of you!
I’ve had it!
*****

NOTICE TO ALL YOU DEMOCRATS AND LIBERALS OUT THERE!

America is Dead!

The 1st, 4th, 6th, 8th, and part of the 7th Amendments of the Constitution is dead, has been distroyed. What makes us free, what makes us great, what makes us what we are, IS DEAD

Heres what I wrote in case you missed it:

AMERICA DIED TODAY !!!

Washington, DC Sept.28th, 2006.

America died today and narry a shot was heard. The death of America came swiftly on the hill today, and not Democrat of Republician stood their ground in protection of (please excuse my spelling) havious corpous, the American people, or the Constitution of the United States of America.

There will be no funeral held, and many Americans will go on just the same and never know when it happened, or how. Many will see the headlines of Americas death, yet with little awareness or understanding.

I have been an American for over 60 years.
And, part of me died today, too. I feel dead inside. I know now, what it is like to be without a country. I am truly homeless.

With every year, every month, every day a horror, with this Administration, since Jan.21, 2001; I just really dont think that it could get much worse. And, now I really dont think that I can take it any more. I am ready to throw in the towel.

If America doesnt care, then it really is dead! What happened today (on the hill), just only served as a way to hold a very private service (of rememberance), of the dearly departed.

(No flowers were sent - It was a private ceramony; with just family and a small group of friends, in attendance).

Posted by: PlayNice at September 28, 2006 11:06 PM

Now as for me? Im out of here. Ive had it. I would fight until I couldnt crawl anymore, if I thought I have a chance, if we had a chance to find the old America that I grew up with. When we had real morality, when Americans, all Americans were free, and the Law of the Land, was respected and obeyed.

AMERICA, YOU ARE LOST, GET THE HELL OVER IT!

I am out of here. I am going to learn to live my life as a Republician. I am going to turn off the news, turn off talk radio, and learn to be ignorant about what goes on in this world politically.

I am going to fill my life with feel good, words and music, and sit and think that the world is just a wonderful, happy place to live in.

I am going to sell the house, find some nice island somewhere, where I can live off coconuts and bananas, climb a tree and learn to play the flute.

So have a nice life! (Pretending that you can change the world, the world of Bushs making, I hope you all enjoy WWIII).

Posted by: PlayNice at September 30, 2006 10:56 AM
Comment #185327

Playnice

Bye

You can join all those Hollywood stars who said in 2000 and then again in 2004 that if Bush got elected they were going to leave the country. The only problem is they didn’t leave they stayed here.

Posted by: Keith at September 30, 2006 11:19 AM
Comment #185328

Just look at the deeds of our illustrious elected officials (source: published in CapitolHillBlue in 1999)…

  • 29 have been accused of spousal abuse

  • 7 have been arrested for fraud

  • 19 have been accused of writing bad checks

  • 117 have directly or indirectly bankrupted at least 2 businesses

  • 3 have done time for assault

  • 71 cannot get a credit card due to bad credit

  • 14 have been arrested on drug-related charges

  • 8 have been arrested for shoplifting

  • 21 are currently defendants in lawsuits

  • 84 have been arrested for drunk driving in the last year…

  • 1 is a former KKK member.

  • 1 was driving drunk, drove off a bridge, and killed Mary Jo Kopechne

And now we can add to the growing list …

  • 1 shot hunting partner (oh, that is the executive branch….oh well)

  • 1 pedophile

Not to mention their other irresponsible voting behavior.

But, we keep re-electing them ?

When will voters finally see the correlation between a 90% re-eleciton rate and the nation’s many pressing problems?

Posted by: d.a.n at September 30, 2006 11:23 AM
Comment #185334

PlayNice,

Take that anger and do something to help make America better. You are now figuring out that neither party cares about anything but their own cu$hy, coveted incumbent seats, opportunities for self-gain, gettin’ theirs’, and making their incumbencies ever more secure.

How much more proof do people need?

I used to be one of those Republicans wearing Rose-colored glasses (more like blinders), over there in the Rose-colored column. That last six years were a real eye-opener … in more ways than one, because a close examination of the Democrat party didn’t offer anything better. Hence, the revalation that BOTH parties have far too many irresponsible incumbent politicians. There’s not much difference anymore. The similarities far, far outweigh any substantive differences.

But, WE keep re-electing them ?

To see the problem, all you have to do is visit each column on this web-site to see how voters are too preoccupied, and all too fond of wallowing in the petty partisan warfare. The welfare of the nation has taken a back seat to just getting more seats for THEIR party. Unfortunately, irresponsible politicians had a different plan … self-gain, votin’ themselves raises and cu$hy perks, corpocrisy, corporatism, corporate welfare, votin’ themselves cu$hy pensions, graft, bribes, pardons, and immunity to the laws the vote for the rest of us.

Posted by: d.a.n at September 30, 2006 11:44 AM
Comment #185340

Keith People in hollywood some times say stupid things. Maybe they stayed to fight on we have to to stop bush from ruining america if its not to late. Maybe you can go somewhere I can think of a few places and take bush and co with you.

Posted by: Jeff at September 30, 2006 12:02 PM
Comment #185367

“You can join all those Hollywood stars who said in 2000 and then again in 2004 that if Bush got elected they were going to leave the country. The only problem is they didn’t leave they stayed here.”

Can you give any names along with what they actually said?

Posted by: Kevin23 at September 30, 2006 1:26 PM
Comment #185375

PlayNice,

I know how you feel.
Don’t give up yet.
Why?
No one knows for certain what the future holds.
Therefore, the logical thing to do is keep on trying.
Giving up will only guarantee failure.
Trying may not work, but we don’t know that, so why not keep trying?

First of all, avoid the clever detractors and manipulations.
Petty partisan warfare is the favorite of this era.
When people finally abandon the blind partisan loyalty, they will feel like a ton of bricks lifted off their own shoulders. Then you will see things more clearly. Then you’ll see that the problem is NOT just Republicans. It is Republicans, Democrats, and Voters. That’s the real, inescapable truth. Some out there know that. Some haven’t yet discovered it yet. Some may never discover it, because they are too fond of wallowing in the distracting, petty partisan warfare than solving the nation’s pressing problems. They are more concern with winning seats for irresponsible, bought-and-paid-for incumbent politicians of THEIR party, than actually solving the nation’s pressing problems. They are brainwashed, and blinded by their partisan blinders, and can not admit that THEIR party is irresponsible too. I used to be that way, I’m ashamed to admit. Partisan warfare is a very powerful distraction (detractor), and it is obvious why irresponsible politicians love to fuel it. Learn to recognize the manipulations of irresponsible, bought-and-paid-for incumbent politicians. That becomes much easier to do when you take off your partisan blinders (or rose-colored glasses if you are a member of the current “IN Party”).

ChristianLeft wrote: Good bye, deserter! If I were your sergeant, I’d shoot you myself.
And you call yourself the ChristianLeft? Give ‘em a break. Giving up won’t solve anything, but PlayNice has a right to be frustrated with government, BOTH parties, and voters too. Posted by: d.a.n at September 30, 2006 2:27 PM
Comment #185376

Didn’t they vote themselves a nice little raise as well? They work fewer days and accomplish less than public school teachers, yet they make about four times more money. I don’t blame any party for this either. Greed seems to be the only bipartisan effort in Congress.

Posted by: Jacob in SC at September 30, 2006 2:29 PM
Comment #185380

Congress managed to increase our national debt by 2.43 Trillion dollars above and beyond the cost of 9/11 recovery, the War on terror and Iraq, and Katrina, which to date, has only cost .58 trillion.

Yes, add them together and you get the increase in the national debt from 2001 to 2006. So where did the other 2.43 Trillion go at the hands of this “fiscally responsible” Republican Party?

Posted by: David R. Remer at September 30, 2006 3:00 PM
Comment #185382

PlayNice:

Yes, there are crooks in both parties. However, one party checks excesses in the other party. And the Republicans this time have overreached in a big way. So the only way to check them is to place the other party, the Democrats, in charge.

It’s not the best solution. But it is the best we can do at this time.

The WORST thing you can do is not vote. Not voting reinforces the malevalence in both parties. Each caters only to the few voters who are left.

VOTE!

Posted by: Paul Siegel at September 30, 2006 3:09 PM
Comment #185385

Paul:

“It’s not the best solution. But it is the best we can do at this time.”

You’re right. I have been particularly harsh on my Democratic Party friends these past several days, because of the Military whatever bill that just passed.

But, you’re right—politics is a game of compromise, give-and-take, and often, after you have participated in it, you need several hot showers and a long vacation in Europe.

In the end, the Dems need to obstruct terrible GOP policy, but be able to come back and fight another day. That makes for strange political decisions and, we witnessed such on Thursday.

I am disgusted with it, I think it compromises who we are as a nation, it is dodging true political accountability and putting the ulimate responsibility to stop this dicatorial ‘creep ‘(maybe Nixon was prescient) on the courts. (God help us if they play politics and drop the ball, too.) But, such are political realities. Getting Dems elected to balance this conservative governance is what is needed now.

But if the Dems start dodging their Constitutional responsibilities after taking over the House or Senate, I’m going to have to decide what to do—get my travel papers in order, or buy a very large, automatic weapon—maybe both.

Posted by: Tim Crow at September 30, 2006 3:35 PM
Comment #185390

Interesting… the second post by a Democrat I’ve seen over here recently which expresses a desire do commit violence with firemans as a way to work out their political feelings.

Wonder who they plan to kill first. Some wild and woolly Manson family stuff over here, folks!

Posted by: Pilsner at September 30, 2006 3:56 PM
Comment #185392

Firearms, I meant. Though “firemans” would be pretty wild too!

Posted by: Pilsner at September 30, 2006 3:57 PM
Comment #185396

An addendum to my 3:35 post regarding the Senate vote on the Military establishment bill:

“In politics, nothing happens by accident. If it happens, you can bet it was planned that way. “

Franklin D. Roosevelt


Posted by: Tim Crow at September 30, 2006 4:20 PM
Comment #185400
Paul Siegel wrote: Yes, there are crooks in both parties. However, one party checks excesses in the other party. And the Republicans this time have overreached in a big way. So the only way to check them is to place the other party, the Democrats, in charge. It’s not the best solution. But it is the best we can do at this time.
Hmmmmm … yes, Republicans need to be taken down a few notches, but that can be accomplished by voting out irresponsible incumbents of BOTH parties. Therefore, trying to argue that people should vote along ANY party lines is just more partisan spin. Voters would be wise to disregard party entirely, and look to vote for someone more responsible, regardless of party. Why? Because it is that VERY insidious partisan spin that helped get us where we are today.

Vote out as many irresponsible incumbents of BOTH parties, and the problems of WHICH party has the majority will take care of itself, because the more numerous the newcomers (always out-numbered by irresponsible incumbents), the more chance the newcomers will finally have to pass some common-sense, no-brainer reforms.

AND, if they are as corrupt as their predecessors, vote out (or recall) them too ! ASAP !

Paul Siegel wrote: The WORST thing you can do is not vote. Not voting reinforces the malevalence in both parties. Each caters only to the few voters who are left. VOTE!

Not really. The worst thing is voting to re-elect irresponsible, bought-and-paid-for incumbent politicians that you already know to be corrupt, and you already know to be irresponsible, merely because you think you have to vote along party lines. That is the very mechanism BOTH parties use to brainwash and seduce voters into the blind loyalty and wallowing in the petty partisan warfare.

Just try thinking for yourself for a change, and quit letting parties and politicians tell you that you have to pull the party-lever and vote along party lines.
__________________________________________

Yes, the National Debt is no laughing matter.

But we are at war !

Are you sick of that excuse yet?
The National Debt is now over $8.5 trillion.
Oddly, what they don’t like to talk about much is the even larger Social Security Debt (Source: CATO institute; read the first paragraph).
Oh!
Wait!
Social Security has a surpluse of $1.4 trillion.
Sure, if you count worthless government bonds used to replaced the pilfered surpluses.
Then there’s the PBGC pensions; $450 billion in the hole.
Add it all up, and that is $21.75 trillion of federal debt.
H E L L O ! ? !
The government only receives about $2 trillion per year in total revenues, and half that is already dedicated to Social Security, Medicare, etc.
Do the math.
I will only take 140 years to pay off the $8.5 trillion National Debt, much less pay off the other debt.

Education is needed.
Some people don’t understand the magnitude of the fiscal problems.

Look at it this way.
Let’s use the same proprotions as total federal revenues ($2 trillion) and your salary ($100K). That’s a factor of 20 million.

So, let’s say you make $100K per year. Not bad eh?
Therefore, you own $425K (National Debt)+ $1.28 million (Social Security), and $45K (for pensions). Your total debt is $1.75 million! How long will it take you to pay it off? Will you live that long? Most people never make that much in an entire lifetime. $1.75 million is $58,333 per year for 30 years. But, there is interest to deal with. That’s why a you pay two or three times for a house with a 30 year loan. Got the picture yet?

The second worst thing voters can do is NOT vote. But, if you do vote, please try to make an informed vote.

That is why younger Americans are getting screwed and getting saddled with astronomical debt.

It is their future that is being stolen from them.

Ironically, the young Americans have the most to lose, but are the least to get out and vote, which is why they will be victimized; they are lining up like sheep to the slaughter. The too, in part, only have themselves to thank for it.

Posted by: d.a.n at September 30, 2006 4:33 PM
Comment #185401

Playnice, your sentiments are being echoed by millions and millions of Americans, and an increasing number of them are in our military and Republican.

This is how Revolutions begin. This is how our colonialists felt about Britian’s rule. Don’t give up. You are not alone. There will be a revolution, either at the polls or, in the streets of America. When our government makes its citizens look bad, and appear irresponsible, incompetent, immoral, unethical, and dullard, you can be sure, movements to counteract are taking place.

Posted by: David R. Remer at September 30, 2006 4:35 PM
Comment #185407

David:

“When our government makes its citizens look bad, and appear irresponsible, incompetent, immoral, unethical, and dullard, you can be sure, movements to counteract are taking place. “


This may be the most optimistic, uplifting, and moving statement I’ve read in quite some time. Thank you!

Posted by: Tim Crow at September 30, 2006 4:48 PM
Comment #185410

Yes, thank you.
Things are taking place.
To help, please spread the word to people.
Education is what is needed.
Just ask people if they think there is any connection between this nation’s pressing problems and a 90% RE-election rate?
Just ask them if things are getting better?
Why not?
We let one party have a majority, then the other, then back to the other, etc., etc., etc.
What’s wrong with this picture?
Hmmmmmmm … maybe it is too many irresponsible, bought-and-paid-for incumbent politicians in BOTH parties?

Posted by: d.a.n at September 30, 2006 4:55 PM
Comment #185414

Playnice:

“When you get to the end of your rope, tie a knot and hang on.”

Franklin D. Roosevelt

Posted by: Tim Crow at September 30, 2006 5:11 PM
Comment #185481

“Hmmmmmmm … maybe it is too many irresponsible, bought-and-paid-for incumbent politicians in BOTH parties?”

Cmon, d.a.n., you sound like a broken record. Got any OTHER opinions or views?

Posted by: ObserverA at September 30, 2006 10:19 PM
Comment #185485

ObserverA, he’s got a million of them, check out his site hyperlinked to his name.

But, his message reaches new audiences visiting here at WatchBlog every day. It’s a message that bears repeating, which I do as often as possible as well to as many fellow Americans as possible.

And it is awesome how many are recognizing its value. I had a conservative write me just today asking why he hadn’t heard this message before his primary occured so he could have voted for a challenger Republican, instead of now being forced to vote for an incumbent he has lost faith in, and a Democrat. Which is worse, he asked? (And of course he answered his own question in asking it).

Posted by: David R. Remer at September 30, 2006 10:34 PM
Comment #185488

so W can arrest anyone he wants and doesn’t have to try them? I think the federal election commision needs to hire body guards, because if W doesn’t want to have an election next month, he can just have them all arrested! I think we just lost our constitution, kids!

Posted by: james w fisher at September 30, 2006 10:37 PM
Comment #185490

james w fisher, it is being handed over piece by piece to the Executive Branch. Now Bush’s packing of the courts begins to make sense, eh? A court that won’t overturn legislation by a one party government, is the linch pin to make a one party government permanent and establishing an authoritarian presidency which makes up the rules as he goes along and doesn’t worry about a scrap of paper called a Constitution getting in his way. He just has Congress write a new law to making his past illegal activities legal, retroactively.

See, No worries, Mate.

Posted by: David R. Remer at September 30, 2006 10:48 PM
Comment #185493

James,

No need for body guards, next election will go just like the last two. You dont think that there will be an honest tally do you? Please!

Our constitutional rights = DEAD

AMERICA, HAS DIED. Sept.28th, 2006.

And, very few of us even give a dam.

And my best friend, and my son, both republician, couldnt be more pleased!

So, off to the Cribbean for me, ITS PARTY TIME!

Anyone, that is smart out there, better get on with living, cause the world is dying with all the global warming that Bush suppresses and denys, “we are hooked on oil, you know”?

And, America just died the other day.

So Party on dude, there aint much time left, my friends.

And, Im out of here.

Bye,

(made good friends here, I truly wish all of you well.

But, you will never get through to some of these brain dead morons, besides what do you think that would accomplished anyway, … if you did?)

Hugs,
Play

Posted by: PlayNice at September 30, 2006 11:09 PM
Comment #185500

“Congress managed to increase our national debt by 2.43 Trillion dollars above and beyond the cost of 9/11 recovery, the War on terror and Iraq, and Katrina, which to date, has only cost .58 trillion.”

Thank you David R. Remer for pointing that out.

For decades my fellow Democrats had been painted as the party of “tax and spend”. Now we’re being painted as the party of “cut and run”.

The sad thing to me is the average Joe seems not to mind “borrow and spend” or “stay the course”.

Duh, there are indicators here folks! No entity, whether personal, corporate, or government can continually operate in the red. Likewise, no military mission can just “stay on course” if failure is obvious.

This is no longer just a matter of partisan politics, it’s a reflection of the “I want what I want when I want it” mentality of far too many Americans. On a personal level far too many of us are irresponsible in our own spending and even more irresponsible at the voting booth.

While some of us are undoubtedly responsible and thoughtful Americans far too many treat politics no differently than a sporting event. Just root for your team, ra, ra, ra!

If our young democracy does fail it will not be the fault of only our elected officials, the fault must be shared by every single one of us.

KansasDem

Posted by: KansasDem at October 1, 2006 1:43 AM
Comment #185501

To whom it may concern,

I’ve noticed many people at Watch-Blog just saying the hell with it. Well, I get frustrated too. Those of us that really give a damn, well, we give a damn.

Clear back in the 1970’s I saw a lot of people say the hell with it and I still know and stay in touch with some of those people. It’s surprising to me that many of them still have that “to hell with it” attitude.

They don’t vote, they don’t get involved, they’re just along for the ride. I CAN”T DO THAT! It’s the equivolent of cowardice in the line of fire.

Hells bells, my opinions may be dead wrong but I want to be represented. Having been a life long Democrat in Nebraska and then Kansas I’m familiar with failure, but I’d much rather fail than just throw in the towel.

As much as I hate to parrot a GOP talking point, “Stay the Course” and keep representing your views, vote, vote and vote. Energize others to look at the facts and vote their own conscience.

Never just give up.

KansasDem

Posted by: KansasDem at October 1, 2006 2:17 AM
Comment #185505

Kevin23

Here you go

People who are leaving

Posted by: Keith at October 1, 2006 3:18 AM
Comment #185511

I’m fairly pissed with the Republicans, but lets be fair. Right after Kerry’s defeat in ‘04, Howard Dean, the chair of the DNC, said for the record that the entire Democrat strategy would be to obstruct everything the Republicans did. This policy has come to its full fruition under Ried/Pelosi. The Republicans shot themselves in the face for their failure to seperate securing the border from immigration policy, but it has been Democratic obstructionism on almost every policy that has stymied Congress.

Posted by: 1LT B at October 1, 2006 3:52 AM
Comment #185516

Every possible outcome of this year’s election will be a sad, irreversible mistake. I’ve said it so many times that I’m jaded with it; Both major parties work in league to deny the citizens of their constitutional powers and protections. So you see, one of the major parties will gain a majority of the houses (again), and the destruction of our sovereignty will continue. See spp.gov for details.

The force behind our heritage of freedom has always been the fact that we’re the largest armed camp of civilians in the world. All I can say is, people: stock up, clean’em, load’em, and get practiced. I don’t want to hear about how I support violence as the first answer, yada yada. You live “free” in this country because of our fathers’ propensity for violence. Because they were willing to die AND kill for the dream of freedom.

Our enemy does not live in a cave, look like a goat, or speak in strange tongues. Our enemy, and the greatest evil of them all, is man’s neglectful and reckless greed. And you can find all you can handle in this country, in your house, and in your mirrors.

STOP going into debt. Stop depending on the government. Stop voting AGAINST people that you don’t know (or voting FOR people you don’t know). STOP avoiding the responsibilties of an American ADULT. And, please, STOP this divisive, partisan playground BICKERING. STOP calling people LIBERALS or NEO CONS! Are we trying to start a civil war rather than a revolution?

Take a good long look at George W. Bush, and ask yourself: “Is our president learning”? “Is our President against Nation Building”? Is he even human for pete’s sake.

I am HOPPING mad at this Government, and you can bet your bottom dollar that my 30/30, 9mil, and both shotguns are loaded (deer slugs for blowing out deadbolts). I don’t hunt animals and I never have. I have these guns for shooting PEOPLE when they EFF UP. Like breaking into my house, for example. I am not a murderer, but I am no welcome mat either.

I believe in facts. Some people no longer think there are such things. Here’s a fact for you: The government is more powerful than the people because they are willing to use FORCE on your behalf. You call it “violence” when it comes from someone other than the ordained authority figures. You bend to the will of the “force” if you don’t pay your taxes, or if you choose the wrong plants to consume, or if you try to speak your dissent to the people who need to hear it (and don’t want to).

I want the America that I was born in again. I want a government that will respond to our pleas, not because they fear losing their jobs, but because they fear getting their butts handed to them, physically. And if the people were properly in power, it wouldn’t take Joe US to do it because the enforcement apparatus is already in place. The laws WERE in place, to hold these crooked rats accountable.

Like this Foley character; he believed that he could live out his sick, pedophile fantasy because he was above the law. His Buddies knew about it last year, but they let it happen until their jobs were being threatened. Like Dan pointed out … they are ripe with crimes. These judges had better start JAILING this clowns or they too will be on the receiving end of an unhappy american fist.

But Dan & David R., I am sorry; I have no faith in the vote any more. I wanted to, but look at how easily they get away with rigging the votes. I live in Ohio (cincinnati), and I can’t find anyone who DOESN’T belive that there was election fraud. I have researched it and I am PO’d. I shouldn’t have to provide links to the lazy: SEEK and you shall find. We were robbed, that’s all folks.

I want to be wrong about the electorate (please PROVE ME WRONG), but I think I’m right. If you can’t prove me wrong, then godspeed brother; read up and do whatever you think is right for your family’s sake. I’ll have wide eyes on this election because I’m drawing the line right there. Fraud this one and I’m tossing the poker table to its top. No more games people. If you see ANY fraud this time, write “GIVE ME FREEDOM OR GIVE ME DEATH” on your house or car or whatever, and be ready to mean it.

I refuse to imagine a future in this country if tyranny is allowed. I’ll die first. Be it capitolistic fascism, oppression by ommission, or religious armies, they’ll have to go through me.

Posted by: Bill C. at October 1, 2006 5:11 AM
Comment #185518

Woops that’s supposed to say “GIVE ME -LIBERTY- OR GIVE ME DEATH” ha!

By the way, I am going to vote in this election (perhaps for the last time). But my votes will be few because I despise most of the candidates. I want to see Kenneth Blackwell jailed, and I still have some research to do on Ted Strickland. So on and so forth, but I will be ready to vote intelligently. We’ll see whether or not it matters this time.

Posted by: Bill C. at October 1, 2006 5:27 AM
Comment #185523

I give. http://mediastudy.com/exitpoll.html

Ohio isn’t the only hotbed of corruption. Look at New Hampshire. That’s so blatently botched it’s pathetic. Tell me, what good is voting if this is the result?

We’ve had our investigations and our congressional hearings … what good were they? How many of you have seen the web page I’ve linked here before today? They ARE rigging the elections. I don’t wear a freakin tin foil hat. Look and see for yourselves.

All this election fraud going on, and what does the major news media give you? They try to fill your heads full of unimportant Hollywood inside info, or glamorize another savage crime. I grabbed a head full of FOX news the other day just for the heck of it, and I thought for a while that _I_ was insane! That place is for all intents and purposes, a propaganda channel. Like the government that they get their catchy clips from, they are a cancerous parasite, sucking your guts out. Pumping you full of nonsense and uneasiness.

“”Good morning America! We have a narrow variety of state run media for you to lean your eyes against. And just look at all the rich ball players! But WAIT - this is an ALERT! Wars are sporadically being fought in the same places, over and over again, like they have for the past 2,000 years! Could it be …. The Armageddon at last?! In other news ——-> The “Economy” is awesome for rich folks like us! Don’t you wish you looked as good as this weather guy?! Now watch this glamorous pharmecuetical commercial!”“

How many of us stare into these bottomless chasms of endless ridiculous noise? And worse, BELIEVE the impossibly boisterous liars that work the cogs? Evidently EVERYONE. It’s a ceaseless challenge to reality.

One world government, tyranny without appearing to be tyranny, an invited invasion by Mexicans, endless wars against infinite boogeymen, rigged elections, criminals writing laws, reckless pollution, mountains of drug money being circulated through criminal elements of warlord politicians, Red Flag Operations, torture and secret prisons, war games for resources and profiteering, deceiving soldiers into sacrificing their lives for false causes, depleted uranium rounds shot by soldiers causing corruption of blood, genocide of arabs, selling vital national infrastructure, pampering capitalist scum for their campaign bribes, money laundering, just name your favorite crime. It’s all TREASON.

Posted by: Bill C. at October 1, 2006 8:59 AM
Comment #185546

Bill C

I don’t quite understand why you pi such stock in exit polls. They are notoriously wrong, because what people will tell a pollster is not always the same as what they actually did in the booth.

Posted by: Keith at October 1, 2006 12:54 PM
Comment #185552

Tax Cuts Tax cuts. Those EVIL tax cuts. I understand that some president called Kennedy once cut taxes…and it worked! It stimulated the economy providing JOBS FOR THE WORKING MAN.

Gee, lets see, the horrible Carter years and another great president REAGAN comes along and cuts taxes, stimulating the economy and getting us out of a recession!

Yes those evil tax cuts. Then, the Cliton Buble bursts right in the face of Bush. As George Bush was taking office Clinton Lackies were declaring that the collapsing economy was not the fault of President Clinton but it was ANTICIPATION that Bush was going to soon take office. Here we had the Clintons rewritting history as it happened.

Bush took office, said, we need to stimulate the economy with tax cuts. And he did, along came a strong economy, the recession bottomed, turned, the economy got strong, millions of new jobs came on line, the working man found work.

Oh those evil tax cuts. Democrats know the true way to a strong economy is HIGH TAXES?

They just don’t get it.

Posted by: Stephen at October 1, 2006 1:04 PM
Comment #185574
Stephen wrote: Tax Cuts Tax cuts. Those EVIL tax cuts.
The real problem is the refusal of do-nothing Congress to pass any common-sense reforms, such as simplifying what is truly an extremely complicated and abused tax system. It is full of thousands of tax loop-holes that mostly benefit the wealthy. The bought-and-paid-for incumbent politicians like it just the way they have perverted it.

What we really need is TAX REFORM: 17% Flat Income Tax Rate, elimination of all loop-holes and deductions. It would be nice if it could be lower than 17%, but the massive debt, pay-as-you-go Social Security, Medicare, and national defense requires at least 17% (and that will also require some spending cuts too).
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Bill C wrote: But d.a.n & David R. Remer, I am sorry; I have no faith in the vote any more. I wanted to, but look at how easily they get away with rigging the votes. I live in Ohio (Cincinnati), and I can’t find anyone who DOESN’T belive that there was election fraud. I have researched it and I am PO’d. I shouldn’t have to provide links to the lazy: SEEK and you shall find. We were robbed, that’s all folks.

Bill C.,
I can’t blame you much for not having much faith. Really. I have felt the same way many times in the past decade … still do occassionally.
Yes, Ohio voters were robbed.
There are others on this site that are well aware of it.
Voter fraud is no laughing matter.
There are also illegal aliens voting in our elections too.
If we can not get an accurate count of votes, we are screwed, and things can only get worse.

Representative John Conyers, Jr. (D-MI) was supposed to be leading an investigation into the rampant voter fraud in Ohio.
But, John Conyers is an irresponsible incumbent politicians that has the next to the worst record (of all 535 in Congress) for even showing up to vote. Nothing much came of his investigation. I’m curious as to why? Was one party more responsible than another? Is there no way to tell how the fraud occurred and who did it?

There are common-sense ways to protect our votes, and voters must insist that government make common-sense reforms ASAP. For one thing, every voter should receive a unique number to use to verify their votes (on the internet and/or newsprint). As it is now, you can NOT verify your vote. Computerization is OK, but it has to provide each voter a number to verify their vote, AND that also allows the citizens to see the totals for themselves. This information must be made public and verifiable.

However, all may not be lost yet, and since none of us can know for certain what the future holds, the only logical thing left to do is to keep trying to make things better … afterall, resigning to futility will only guarantee failure.

The problem is truly all of us. Not just irresponsible Republicans and Democrats. It’s voters too, and is now up to the voters to stop RE-electing irresponsible incumbent politicians. There’s a definite connection between 90% RE-election rates and the nations worsening problems.

Politicians will NOT pass any badly-needed, common-sense, no-brainer reforms voluntarily. Newcomers to Congress are always outnumbered, and need the voters help to unseat enough irresponsible incumbents so that some reforms can finally be passed.

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ObserverA wrote:
Cmon, d.a.n., you sound like a broken record. Got any OTHER opinions or views?

ObserverA,

Thank you for asking.
Yes, as a matter of fact.
Just left-click (i.e. press that left button on your mouse) on my name below (where is says Posted by …). In case you were not aware of it, you can see many peoples’ own web-sites or favorite links by left-clicking on there name.

I’m sorry if you get tired of reading some things. However, you must remember that thousands of readers to the WatchBlog every day are NOT regulars.

Thank you for your constructive criticism. It will be carefully considered.

However, if there is ever a post that you would prefer not to read, that’s OK.
There is a very simple solution for that.

Just scroll past it.
There are two ways to do that.

  • (1) Left-click and hold-down (i.e. the left-button on the mouse) on the scroll-bar button, and move the mouse up or down.

  • (2) Or, if you have one of those newer wheel-mouses, you can just roll that wheel forward and backward to scroll up and down (respectively).

Try it !
It works great !

Posted by: d.a.n at October 1, 2006 3:10 PM
Comment #185578
but it has been Democratic obstructionism on almost every policy that has stymied Congress.

Huh? With Republicans having the majority of both houses, how is it possible? Perhaps because they are joined by some republicans??

Give me a break.

Posted by: womanmarine at October 1, 2006 4:16 PM
Comment #185592
Pual Siegel wrote: This is a Republican Congress. Sure, we had bad Democratic Congresses. But none of them were anywhere as bad as this Congress was. Let’s dump it.
True. It is very bad. It was pretty bad in the sixties too. Remember Vietnam? There are similarities, and growing. A president that can’t admit a mistake. But incompetently orchestrated the many subsequent blunders that keep our troops from winning, putting our troops in more danger. Worse this time in the sense that the U.S. invaded a nation based on flawed intelligence.

You’re right.
Congress did plenty.
They are always working hard to find ways to increase their own opportunities for self-gain, give themselves more power, and make they cu$hy, coveted seats ever more secure.
Also, they work very hard keeping newcomers to congress from ever passing any badly-needed, common-sense reforms.

And, you forgot a real biggie.
Or was it last year that the Supreme Court paved the way for corporations to steal land from individuals.

Six cases per day of eminent domain abuse.

Not to mention all their other handi-work, and pressing problems they ignore or exacerbate, year after year.

But, WE keep RE-electing them, and WE will keep RE-electing irresponsible incumbent politicians as long as the voters would rather wallow in the partisan warfare, and simply let BOTH parties keep taking turns at being the “IN Party” and the “OUT Party”. It’s just a game to them. They don’t care about the nation. They care more about pork-barrel, and voting themselves a raise and some more cu$hy perks and pension benefits, and doing everything they can to avoid campaign finance reform.

Pual Siegel wrote: Let’s dump it [Congress].

Absolutely. Dump as many as possible. But from BOTH parties. Don’t worry about Republicans retaining a majority. That ain’t likely. If we can replace enough in BOTH parties, then newcomers may finally be able to pass some reforms. But, the 90% RE-election rates of late will only enbolden irresponsible incumbents, allowing the corruption to grow and spread.

Posted by: d.a.n at October 1, 2006 6:41 PM
Comment #185594

womanmarine,

You’re right.
There has been a lot more “goin’ along to get along”, than obstructionism.
That’s why Democrats are so angry with their own Democrat politicians.
They are both bad, in large numbers.
That’s the truth of the matter.
Hopefully in both parties.
Hopefully they’ll both get some surprises.
2008 will be more significant, because
we’re likely to have grid-lock for the next
2 years with a slightly Democrat congress and a Republican executive branch, but grid-lock for 2 years will be better than nothing.

Posted by: d.a.n at October 1, 2006 6:45 PM
Comment #185617

Democracy did have a long run in this country. I am disappointed that it’s over. The administration might have ushered in a new era of world peace and harmony. Many in the middle east were appalled by what bin Laden had done. Some of those countries offered blood. Instead the administration forced war to cover up it’s class war in this country. Now the entire world is paying. Unfortunately, the congress did do something. They have dismantled the constitution.

Posted by: James Haslip at October 1, 2006 9:39 PM
Comment #185624

d.a.n.
Keep up the good work, I like your site and find it one of the most informative I have seen.

Posted by: j2t2 at October 1, 2006 10:56 PM
Comment #185629

j2t2, David Remer, Thank you!

Posted by: d.a.n at October 1, 2006 11:47 PM
Comment #185652

They are a lot of good Democrats running this year. They are tired of the mess we have in Washington now also. There are Democrat parties going on in every place where we can get people together and they need help. As you may know Democrats don’t have a special religious club , that is tax dep. Like old Jack had for the repugs. These Democrats are having to do this for themselfs. So if you really want to help, call your local Democrat office to see if you can donate 5 bucks ,any amount you can will help.Put up their signs in your front yards.

Some people say there is no differents in either party, but when Bill Clinton left office we had a surplus , now we have a minus , we are so in debt so far, our grandchildren are in debt, before they are even born.And they followed the ConstitutiOf the U.S. So lets get out there and help the people that want to take on the jobs to help clean up the mess that has been made in the last 5 years.
We do need to lower the salaries of our leaders.I think to much money on theirs hands makes them think they are better than the people they work for. I am all for them getting a living wage, but the midnight raises needs to be ran back in the daylight hours.They need to get real , not rich in office. And this stuff of paying them for the rest of their lifes needs to be stopped, starting with this new ones going in. They need to be on Soial Security like the rest of us, And their health care paid like ours.Then we all can afford to have good health coverage.
Anyone willing to take this on and run with it?

Posted by: Suzieq at October 2, 2006 3:10 AM
Comment #185655

womanmarine,

Do you honestly believe that a minority party cannot disrupt the flow of legislation? Just look at what the Republicans did before getting into the majority. A minority party can badly disrupt the flow of legislation, especially in the Senate. The fact that Dean said this was their strategy suggests to me that the onus is on you to disprove the head of the DNC.

Posted by: 1LT B at October 2, 2006 4:16 AM
Comment #185690

Why do I put so much stock in exit polls …

They are notoriously ACCURATE. No other sampling poll comes remotely close to matching the accuracy of exit polls. Germany calls their elections based on the exit polls, before the machine tally comes in. In fact, before the 2000 election, the exit polls had a sampling error of only 1-3%. Compare any machine tally prior to 2000 against cold-call OR exit polls and you’ll see the difference. It’s just now that election fraud is starting to get into the spotlight, pundits and politicians have started absurd rumors about the inaccuracy of exit polls. And people simply buy into the lie.

The VERY SAME computerized voting machines used to rig the last two national elections are sitting in your town halls waiting to be plugged in AGAIN. Not a damn thing has been done to ensure the accuracy of computerized voting. Hmmmmmmm I wonder why? These crooks in suits simply use them as an adjustment tool to twist an election in their favor. Afterwards, the idiotic media casually white-washes the whole affair, RIGHT IN YOUR FACE. And here we are again.

http://www.commondreams.org/news2005/0331-02.htm

http://mediastudy.com/freeman.pdf

http://www.house.gov/judiciary_democrats/fitrakisvotestmt12804.pdf

http://uscountvotes.org/ucvAnalysis/US/USCountVotes_Re_Mitofsky-Edison.pdf

I make no claims regarding the reputability of these web sites, their authors, or their contributors.

Believe what you want.

Posted by: Bill C. at October 2, 2006 10:50 AM
Comment #185715

“Believe what you want”

Don’t worry Bill, they’ll do just that, without any encouragemnt from you.:-)

Posted by: Tim Crow at October 2, 2006 12:50 PM
Comment #185716

So LT:

Just look at what the Republicans did before getting into the majority.

Which one is worse? I think I already know your opinion.

Frankly, of course we want to disrupt what the Republicans want in terms of legislation. That’s the whole point isn’t it? Especially since there has been no pretense by the republicans of cooperation with democratic ideas.

Posted by: womanmarine at October 2, 2006 12:57 PM
Comment #185723
Susieq wrote: Some people say there is no differents in either party, but when Bill Clinton left office we had a surplus , now we have a minus , we are so in debt so far, our grandchildren are in debt, before they are even born.And they followed the ConstitutiOf the U.S.
Susieq, Clinton cut spending, but he also printed a lot of money. Look at the years between 1995 and 2000. Now, you are absolutely right that things went terribly wrong after that. This administration is severely incompetent.
Susieq wrote: So lets get out there and help the people that want to take on the jobs to help clean up the mess that has been made in the last 5 years.
Susieq, good idea, if you’re talking about challengers. And, if there’s no one in your party, please consider a challenger (regardless of party), rather than keep re-electing irresponsible incumbent politicians. But no incumbents will get my vote. Why? Because my Senators, Representative, and governor are irresponsible and unaccountable. I’ve researched them. They vote or pork-barrel, graft, corporate welfare, and refuse to enforce existing laws (not to mention other scandals and corruption).
Susieq wrote: We do need to lower the salaries of our leaders.I think to much money on theirs hands makes them think they are better than the people they work for. I am all for them getting a living wage, but the midnight raises needs to be ran back in the daylight hours.They need to get real , not rich in office.
Better yet, stop re-electing them.
Susieq wrote: And this stuff of paying them for the rest of their lifes needs to be stopped, starting with this new ones going in. They need to be on Soial Security like the rest of us, And their health care paid like ours.Then we all can afford to have good health coverage. Anyone willing to take this on and run with it?
It’s funny. Irresponsible incumbent politicians can vote themselves cu$hy perk$ and raises, but they can’t ever seem to pass any common-sense, no-brainer, responsible reforms. Posted by: d.a.n at October 2, 2006 2:26 PM
Comment #185801

You know Tim, that’s all I expect, for better or for worse.

Posted by: Bill C. at October 2, 2006 9:38 PM
Comment #186456

I try to be an informed voter. When BOTH of the candidates are bad……what the hell am I supposed to do??????? Not vote at all? Vote the lessor of the evils or vote with the majority? Dan……what WOULD YOU suggest!?

Posted by: qat at October 5, 2006 9:53 AM
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