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Kill the Cancer, Not the Doctor

Terrorism, the art of killing humans in order to scare other humans out of their wits, has been with us for a long time. Though it may have been common in the Middle East, like any other cancerous growth, it has been spreading at a rapid rate all over the world. To avoid the destruction of the entire body of the world, we must now start killing the cancerous Hezbollah tumor in the organ of Lebanon.

Most people never notice when killing cancer cells start growing in their bodies. However, after the killing cancer cells have spread and caused pain, misery and despair, patients go to doctors to seek a cure or at least the cessation of suffering. Often they get to the doctor too late.

Is the world body too late?

The current standoff in Lebanon started long ago in 1948 when Israel was established. After several wars that Israel won, some Palestinians decided that they would tie around their body explosives, visit a busy place in Israel, and then blow themselves up and take as many Israelis as they could with them to the grave. They called themselves "freedom fighters," but they were truly terrorists - cancer cells. Nobody but Israelis paid attention. The Israelis answered with force, which then caused other Palestinians to become terrorists. The cancer grew.

Soon a guy named Osama bin Laden, a Sunni, said that it was silly to kill so few people with one attack. He built an organization that allowed a few terrorists - 19 - to fly into buildings and kill 3,000 at a time. The cancer spread.

Ahmadinejad in Iran, a Shi-ite, said to himself, surely Shi-ites can do better than Sunnis. So, with the help of Syria, he set up Hezbollah in Lebanon. Hezbollah is particularly poisonous. Why? Because it installed armaments, especially rocket launchers, in the midst of the homes of ordinary citizens of Lebanon. The cancer cells were mixed with the healthy cells. The cancer got more toxic.

Hezbollah started this latest conflagration with Israel, supposedly to swap prisoners. But they got a violent response from Israel. It has decided that it must get rid of the Hezbollah terrorists to assure its own survival. At the same time, Israel is acting as the doctor: it is using "chemotherapy" to get rid of as many toxic cancer cells as possible. Unfortunately, it is impossible to get rid of cancer cells without killing healthy cells - Lebanese women and children.

Terrible! Awful! Horrible! This is what practically everyone is saying. I say so too. How could you allow so much killing of bystanders? But people forget that Hezbollah planted itself among the women and children in order to produce such a situation; they are the real killers. People forget that cancers have a tendency to spread. They forget that the longer you wait the worse the cancer gets and death may follow.

"Cease fire, cease fire" is all you hear. What will a "cease fire" accomplish? Hezbollah will be in place as the winner, ready for more dirty work. The cancer of terrorism will remain. It will not merely remain, but will grow.

We can't afford to wait. Terrorism has spread all over the world. Attacks have occurred on every continent. It has made the U.S. less wonderful than it used to be. We used to be an open society; now we talk about building walls to separate ourselves from our neighbors. We used to talk of peace; now we talk constantly of war. We used to talk of liberties; now we talk about how to constrain liberties. We used to engage in political argument; now we scream and yell at each other.

Though I almost never agree with President Bush, I agree with him when he says:

"This moment of conflict in the Middle East is painful and tragic, yet it is also a moment of opportunity for broader change in the region. Transforming countries that have suffered decades of tyranny and violence is difficult, and it will take time to achieve. But the consequences will be profound -- for our country and the world."

Let the doctor kill the Hezbollah tumor.

Mind you, I think it was a great mistake for this administration to not have been involved in the Israeli/Palestinian conflict for the last 5 years. I also hate the way Bush hates negotiation. But maybe he has changed on that score; I sure hope so. If he follows this statement with a long negotiation process calculated toward reducing the terrorist cancer in the Middle East, I will applaud.

Kill the cancer, not the doctor.

Posted by Paul Siegel at July 31, 2006 11:12 PM
Comments
Comment #172592

Paul,

Sadly I must agree with you. I simply hate the thought of innocent people dieing, especially children. But we must not forget that Israel did not begin the current exchange, Hezbollah and Hamas did! We must keep that fact in mind!

One myth we must dispel is that of “precision guided” missiles and bombs. Yes, they’re better than those of WWII, Korea, and Vietnam but there is no such thing as a “bad guy seeking bomb or missile”, or for that matter a “bad guy only bullet”. They just don’t exist.

The carnage in Lebanon is horrible and I totally understand Senator Chuck Hagel’s cries for an immediate cease fire. I’d love to see the violence stop, but it must truly stop, not just lie dormant while the “CANCER” continues to grow.

I’ve already mentioned that I’m reviled by the loss of innocent life, and we can actually see on the evening news how horrible it is. Well, let me take us all back to both of our wars with Iraq. BTW I agree with the need of the first invasion but not the second (that’s a different story). During both invasions of Iraq there was very little “up close” coverage on the ground in Iraq. Every day we watched “news briefings” of what was going on.

We reveled in our ability to wreak havoc on our opponent, so much so that WE created a totally American term: “shock and awe”, and we LOVED it. We celebrated. We were getting even. And we didn’t care that THOUSANDS of innocent Iraqi’s were dieing even though Iraq, and certainly most Iraqi’s had little or nothing to do with 9-11.

Put it in perspective folks! Then really stop and think. If the USA had not dropped the ball and shifted their focus to Iraq could we have prevented this? Taking out Iraq was easy because they were militarily impotent. But we’ve been mired down with an OCCUPATION in Iraq since then. I’ll always wonder what the same number of troops (deaths included) could have accomplished in Lebanon.

Well, what’s done is done. My true concern now is that Bush & Co. have so severely weakened our ground forces that we could easily find ourselves totally unable to deal with this war and the aftermath. There is only one way to BOMB your way out of a war. That is to kill all of your opponents but in order to do so we would have to kill MILLIONS of innocents and we would forever be reviled by the rest of the world, if there still was a world.

I just hope Bush doesn’t get “goosey & giggly” with the big red button like he did with Angela Merkel.

KansasDem

Posted by: KansasDem at August 1, 2006 3:03 PM
Comment #172594

Paul,

I agree with you and Kansas. However, I will continue to hold Israel to the “higher standard” and insist they take responsibility and corrective actions to prevent tragedies like Qura in the future.

Posted by: Dave1 at August 1, 2006 3:17 PM
Comment #172602

This not removing the cancer, only causing it to spread more rapidly to other places. Israel - while they were responding to hostilities - have become extremely similar in tactics to their terrorist enemies. UN inspectors killed by precision-guided bombs, 60 civilians, mostly children killed in a single attack, a 48hr cease fires that lasts less than 10 hrs. and 15 to 1 kill ratio over their enemies.

What does this do to remove Hezbollah? Sadly, nothing. Hezbollah is a political/military movement. You can’t kill it. The only thing you can do - you must make it irrelevant to the population it tries to attract. It’s like stepping on an ant to remove the nest. You need to clean up the house and set out bait to remove the nest.

Remove the instigators AND remove the base-support. Without both, you will never remove their threat. As long as such a lopsided killing campaign continues, Hezbollah will continue to gain political and military support.

Yea, OK. I know the wingnuts will say I just want to hug the terrorists… it’s been said before… and it’s moronic statement. You can’t drink your way out of alcoholism, unless death is your preferred end result.


“Let the doctor kill the Hezbollah tumor.”

But the doctor is killing far more innocents than Hezbollah. Put it this way, if your child was killed by a stray bomb… who would you believe? The people who sent the bomb or the people trying to fight against the people who sent the bomb.

Terrorism is bred in stupidity - and there’s no shortage of that.

Posted by: tony at August 1, 2006 3:42 PM
Comment #172607

Food for thought:

“Some of the earliest suicide bombings commonly attributed to Hizbullah, such as the 1983 attacks on the US embassy and marine barracks in Beirut, were believed by American intelligence sources at the time to have been orchestrated by the Iraqi Dawa party. Hizbullah barely existed in 1983 and Dawa cadres are said to have been instrumental in setting it up at Tehran’s behest. Dawa’s current leadership includes none other than the new Iraqi prime minister, Nuri al-Maliki, feted last week in London and Washington as the great hope for the future of the Middle East. As the old saying goes, today’s terrorist is tomorrow’s statesman—at least when it suits us.”

Posted by: tony at August 1, 2006 4:00 PM
Comment #172612

And just to read further into what the Iraqi leader’s group has done:

http://www.juancole.com/2005/03/dawa-party-background-aaron-glantz.html

Wow - what we called the worst terrorist attack on our soldiers (Beruit) was carried out by al-Dawa. The guy who detonated the truck that killed 240 Marines belonged to this party.

Are our soldiers are dying to help set up this group in control of Iraq with our weapons to select from. This is also one of the main Iranian-based groups that Saddam was opposed to.

So - if our weapons get into the hands of terrorist, should we consider it friendly fire?

Posted by: tony at August 1, 2006 4:49 PM
Comment #172615

Paul & KansasDem,
“Hezbollah started this latest conflagration with Israel, supposedly to swap prisoners.”

Really?

Are you sure it did not start when the Israelis bombed a beach, and killed an entire family on a picnic? Remember? It was less than two months ago. Come on. You remember. The little girl running across the sand, screaming…

8 dead. 30 wounded.

Oh yeah. That. Of course, the Israelis apologized.

“But people forget that Hezbollah planted itself among the women and children in order to produce such a situation; they are the real killers.”

No Paul. Hezbollah is chicken feed compared to the Israelis. When it comes to killing innocent people, few kill as many as Israel. Between 2000 and 2005, Hezbollah was responsible for six civilian deaths, so they deserve condemnation for that. And launching rockets at civilians is a war crime, one which has caused the deaths of a dozen innocent Israeli civilians. So Hezbollah deserves condemnation for that, too.

Israel has already killed over 500 civilians. And counting. Now that is real killing.

Does that family that was blown up on the beach count?

My point is that the US has no business aiding one group or the other, unless our aid encourage peace and the obervance of Human Rights. Until they separate church and state, I doubt they will know peace.

Tony,
Qana is actually a stronghold for Amal, the other major group representing Lebanese Shias. Both Hezbollah and Amal have seats in the Lebanese government. Amal is supposedly more moderate, more secular, although neither group is anti-historical; that is, neither wants to turn the clock back to the medieval ages.

Dawa, SCIRI, Amal, and Hezbollah all began in @ 1982, when Israel invaded Lebanon. Israel invaded to remove Fatah. They stayed 18 years. That occupation spawned a number of groups. SCIRI and Dawa went on to become Iranian based groups fighting Saddam Hussein.

“I know the wingnuts will say I just want to hug the terrorists…”

Tony, I really would not worry about that. There are some crazies running around though, no doubt, saying God gave a certain amount of dirt to a certain group, that this will all help bring about rapture sooner, that WWIII is here- Yaa-hoooooooo! And so on.

What is truly frigthening is that the Bush administration acts as if they agree with the crazies. US policy is now identical to Israeli policy. We have poor relations with other groups and countries, and no way to work out of this one.

I have never seen such incompetent foreign policy.

Unless, of course, the aim is to speed up the rapture.

Posted by: phx8 at August 1, 2006 5:02 PM
Comment #172622
The little girl running across the sand, screaming… 8 dead. 30 wounded. Oh yeah. That. Of course, the Israelis apologized. Posted by: phx8 at August 1, 2006 05:02 PM
ph, The final investigation, supported by Lebanese people on the ground, was that the explosion was of a Hezbollah missle, not Israeli. BTW: are you suggesting we ally ourselves with Syria and Iran and Hamas and Hezbollah? Obviously their agendas and philosophies and politics are so much more closely related than the Israelis. Posted by: Dave1 at August 1, 2006 5:39 PM
Comment #172623

Dave1 -

The similarities between Hamas, Hezbollah & Irsael - for the time being - are extremely worrisome.

Kill civilians to punish the other group - which in turn up ticks your pollitical support and your financial support.

Peace can make you happy, but war can make you rich and powerful.

Posted by: tony at August 1, 2006 5:51 PM
Comment #172624

“Dawa, SCIRI, Amal, and Hezbollah all began in @ 1982,”

Dawa actually dates back to 1957.

Posted by: tony at August 1, 2006 5:55 PM
Comment #172626

Dave1,
You are presenting the Israeli Defense Force version. Wikipedia does a good job of presenting all sides:

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Gaza_beach_blast

A neutral observer would conclude the Israelis, who were shelling the area at the time, were almost certainly responsible.

This started the current round of escalation, first in Gaza, then north with Hezbollah as well.

Posted by: phx8 at August 1, 2006 6:07 PM
Comment #172627

and in case anyone missed the connection above:

Dawa:
History
Islamic Dawa Party was established in 1958, based on Association of Najaf Ulama, a political-religious organization that had been established in late 1957 to combat communism. Has coordinated closely with Sunni Islamic organizations. The group was blamed by the Iraqi leaders for actions that necessitated the attack on Iran in 1980. Dawa members mostly either joined the Iranian military units or refrained from political activity altogether. Islamic Dawa Party members staged a major assassination attempt on Saddam Husayn in July of 1982, bombed the Ministry of Planning in August of 1982, and attacked Saddam Hussein’s motorcade in April of 1987


One Dawa member becomes the elected leader of Iraq (2006)

One Dawa member detonates the truck outside the Marine barracks in Beruit

… and now the Marines are dying to train and arm the very same group that killed 240 of their soldiers.

Now, that’s an odd way to support our troops…

Posted by: tony at August 1, 2006 6:11 PM
Comment #172629

killing humans in order to scare other humans out of their wits, Posted by Paul Siegel at July 31, 2006 11:12 PM

Some are scared out of their wits, while others plan counterattacks, and the cycle never ends. I heard on the news that Syria is backing up the H people, which basically means they have been supplying them all along, as well as Iran. The Isaeli PM already knew that when he made his axis of evil remarks last week, including Damascus, which is not on our list.

But hey, Castro may be dying, and we can all retire in Cuba.

Posted by: ohrealy at August 1, 2006 6:14 PM
Comment #172638

Paul


You don’t bombard a person’s vital, healthy organs with radiation and chemotherapy when treating cancer. To fight cancer effectively you must use precise and accurate treatment to kill as many cancer cells as possible and as few “good” cells as possible.

Israel, to continue using your analogy, is killing off the good cells at an alarming rate while zeroing in on very few cancer cells. As any oncologist will tell you, if you aren’t very precise you can easily do more damage than good when fighting cancer.

This is exactly what Israel has done in the foolish and indiscriminate use of force against the innocent children of Lebanon. They have created a situation that will feed the cancer of terrorism in the Middle East for decades to come. Their actions in Lebanon, combined with the United States inaction, plus our fiasco in Iraq, will produce more terrorists than one could have ever imagined a few short years ago.THIS IS NOT HOW YOU CURE CANCER.

Posted by: mark at August 1, 2006 6:46 PM
Comment #172640

ph;

Wikipedia is a nice place to start but it is not a reliable sole-source for politically active data. When in doubt, don’t go spewing so-called facts as “The Israelis did it” when your own source indicates there are multiple sides to the issue.

In the end, there are two intractable sides. I pick the Democracy, despite it’s faults. I believe the Israelis are trying to-not-kill-civilians, I believe the Hezbollah/Hamas are trying to-kill-all-Israelis. That’s a big difference.

Posted by: Dave1 at August 1, 2006 6:53 PM
Comment #172642

“Spewing”? Back up your argument, Dave1. Present evidence which was NOT produced by the IDF. Go ahead.

How can you pick Democracy? Hezbollah was democratically elected to represent the Shias, along with Amal.

Israel is not a democracy, unless you are Jewish. It is like saying South Africa was a democracy under the apartheid system. It was a democracy, but only as long as you were white. Israel is a democracy, but only if you are Jewish. And that is not a democracy.

And please, everyone, no comments about definitions of democracies, republics, liberal democracies, parliementary democracies, and so. I think we all got that a long time ago.

Posted by: phx8 at August 1, 2006 7:07 PM
Comment #172648

“But we must not forget that Israel did not begin the current exchange, Hezbollah and Hamas did! We must keep that fact in mind!”

This is up for debate, as has been outlined in previous posts. The people on the street in Lebanon probably do not believe the Israeli version of the beach bombing. While I don’t side against Israel, I do find they are a bit bloodthirsty and vengefull in their actions, almost always against weaker targets.
The latest “accident”, where they killed UN peacekeepers in yet another supposed case of mistaken identity (USS liberty ring a bell) causes me even more reservation in wholeheartedly supporting their cause.
One thing I am sure of. The crowing of the right from a couple years back about how gwbush’s mideast policy was resulting in outbreaks of peace and democracy was a BIT premature.

Posted by: Observer at August 1, 2006 7:22 PM
Comment #172679

Chemo and Radiation kills bad cells as well as good cells. The idea behind it is to keep it where in the end, the bad cells are killed off, and the good cells can heal.
That is what Israel is trying to do, kill Hizbollah, to destroy the cancer in Lebanon, unfortunately civilians on both sides are dying.

Lets see how good of a neighbor Hizoballah is
1982-1992 30 westerners kidnapped, with some killed.
1983 US Embassy Bombing 63 killed
1983 US Marine Corp Barracks 241 killed
1992 Israeli Embassy Buenos Aires 29 killed
1994 Jewish communit center 85 killed.
This was just a quick search. Wow what a good neighbor(NOT)

All the major country and organizations all say that Hezbollah is a terrorist organization and the UN has said it needs to be disarmed.

Isarel finally had enough and tired of going to the conference table and getting screwed.

Posted by: KT at August 1, 2006 9:23 PM
Comment #172683

KT
Do you honestly think that Isreal is going to put and end to Hezbollah?

Posted by: mark at August 1, 2006 9:35 PM
Comment #172695

ph;
You first. Prove that it was IDF munitions. What happened to critical thought, anyway?
You still failed to debate my decision point:

I believe the Israelis are trying to-not-kill-civilians, I believe the Hezbollah/Hamas are trying to-kill-all-Israelis.
I’m very comfortable defending this. Why do you defend HezHam? We both think the civilians are mostly innocent in this.

Posted by: Dave1 at August 1, 2006 10:06 PM
Comment #172711

Dave1

While Israel’s goal may be to kill Hezbollah their actions say they could care less if they kill civilians.

Posted by: mark at August 1, 2006 11:20 PM
Comment #172740

Dave1 -

This conflict started with the Hezbollah attack on Israeli soldiers. How is this considered terrorism? I’m not arguing whether it was good or bad, but it’s the term I’m debating.

Israel’s immediate respnse was to attack innocent civilians. WHy wasn’t this considered terrrorism?

Posted by: tony at August 2, 2006 7:01 AM
Comment #172761

Mark, no I don’t think they will destroy Hezbollah but they will surely kill a lot of them, just as I think the US will never get rid of all of Al-Quida. They will all go underground but what was Israel to do sit back and let it happen again and again. Would the US sit back and let it happen again.
A lot of people says it Israel’s fault, they taunted hezbollah, into shooting rockets and kidnapping 2 soldiers, what BS.
Is it the end of the world or beginning of WWIII, who knows, and not being a Bush fan, at least he is doing something right, but not stepping in and getting a immediate cease fire. Let Israel do their job against hezbollah.

Posted by: KT at August 2, 2006 9:13 AM
Comment #172769

tony, mark, et. al.

The conflict is ongoing. Using the rhetoric of leftist or rightist punditry is pointless. I work closely with a company in Israel, near Haifa. I have friends locally who are from Israel. I have friends locally from Lebanon (Christians). There is little belief here or there that the IDF targets civilians. However, they are showing a disturbing change in their willingness to risk those casualties. And as I’ve said before, we need to remain critical to reign in the anger being expressed.
Knowing these people, I absolutely believe there is care in trying to limit civilian casualties by the Israelis and there is absolutely no doubt that the goal of Hezbollah and Hamas are to kill or exile all the Jews and destroy the state of Israel.
Rhetoric example : “Israel’s immediate respnse was to attack innocent civilians. WHy wasn’t this considered terrrorism?”
The target was Hezbollah fighters; they either missed, or had the wrong target, or people got in the way. The target was not the civilians. It is not terrorism.
The missles from Hezbollah (150 yesterday with one landing in the West bank), on the other hand, are targeted for general neighborhoods where there are only civilians. This is terrorism.

Posted by: Dave1 at August 2, 2006 9:56 AM
Comment #172788

Hezbollah as a cancer…

Cancer does not spring up in a healthy body because of bad luck or bad karma. Cancer has its source in the chemically laden food we eat, the poisoned waters we drink, the polluted air we breathe, the ever upward spiraling stresses we live under and, according to some recent science, the thoughts we think.

Cancer is a reaction of a body under attack.

Orthodox medicine ignores prevention. The overweight doctor tells you to change your lifestyle, but you think if it was really that important he’d be 40 pounds lighter and a non smoker himself. So you continue the abuse of your body through deliberate wrong choices, and when the cancer surfaces, you opt to slash and burn your body rather than change the lifestyle you are accustomed to.

Holistic medicine recognizes that you are mind, body and spirit. You have to detox your body of that which is poisonous and rebuild your immune system with that which brings health. You can’t view yourself as living under a death sentence but see the cancer as a wake up call and an opportunity for healing. You have to do the research, and not limit your knowledge to the standard therapies that have a history of costing the most and having the highest rates of failure. You have to close your ears to those that will urge you to slash and burn your body, and try the most non-invasive therapies first.

You have to realize that this cancerous organ is still a part of your body with a job to do. Restore it to health. If you remain toxic, the cancer will only spring up in other parts of your body, even more resistant to treatment.

Walk in Harmony,

Day

Posted by: Day at August 2, 2006 10:38 AM
Comment #172799
You have to realize that this cancerous organ is still a part of your body with a job to do. Restore it to health. If you remain toxic, the cancer will only spring up in other parts of your body, even more resistant to treatment. Day
What exactly is cancers “job to do”? Cancer is uncontrolled growth by abnormal cells in your body which utilize all available resources until the rest of the body starves to death. Sounds like Hezbollah and BushCo economic policies, both of which need to be removed. Posted by: Dave1 at August 2, 2006 11:21 AM
Comment #172807

Sorry. I meant that the BODY ORGAN has a job to do, and its preferable to restore it to health than to cut the organ out to get rid of the cancer, as is often done.

Posted by: Day at August 2, 2006 12:07 PM
Comment #172818

ah, got it…

Posted by: Dave1 at August 2, 2006 12:46 PM
Comment #172853

Okay… I am choosing to steer away from the cancer analogy b/c it troubles me in more ways than one …

This situation is much more complicated than that. If it were simply one Jewish state (Israel) who was minding their own business vs. an Islamic militant group (Hezbollah) that hates it ~ and out of nowhere attacked it ~ maybe I would feel that Israel could justifiably attack Hezbollah and kill all of the militants hiding amongst the Lebanese civilians. Maybe, if it were truly that simple, I might even think to myself or express out loud, “War is ugly, but necessary, and it’s too bad that innocent civilians are involved in this mess

The fact is that the war in the Middle East between Hezbollah and Israel ~ and the causes behind it ~ and the question of who started it ~ or who was “minding their own business” ~ is much more complex than that. And therefore, I feel that Israel and Hezbollah should cease fire.

First off, the war began b/c Hezbollah guerrillas crossed the border and kidnaped two Israeli soldiers after a long promise from the leader of Hezbollah to swap them for three Lebanese prisoners that the Israelis had captured. Israel then responded to this attack by bombing the crap out of Lebanon and that is when Hezbollah fired rockets into Northern Israel and so on.

Please understand that I, in no way, condone Hezbollah’s actions. I would prefer that Hezbollah cease to exist. However, I also feel that it is extremely important in this circumstance to completely understand why they do exist (which is in direct response to the Israeli occupation of South Lebanon in 1982.)

I also said that I do not agree with Israel’s actions “in self defense.” I think that Israel’s horrific response is only helping to breed the hatred and oppression of the Muslim people, and in turn, will without a doubt make life much worse in the future for our children and grandchildren.

I must remind you that Osama Bin Ladin said that he was inspired by Israel’s invasion of Lebanon in 1982 to attack the U.S. I wonder who is now newly inspired to attack the U.S.?

Let’s say, for kicks, that an Islamic militant group existed in Northern Mexico, with whom we share a border, and they decide to cross the border and capture two of our soldiers based in El Paso and keep them b/c they want us to trade three of our soldiers at Guantanamo Bay. And let’s also say that one of the soldiers they want in the trade was responsible for the horrible murder of Mike Spann in Afghanistan. Would I think that the appropriate defense by the U.S. would be to bomb the crap out of Northern Mexico, making sure to first hit their airport, when tons of American citizens are currently vacationing there, thus causing this militant group to react more heavily against us? No.

Let’s also say that this small Mexican Islamic militant group was partly funded and supported by Iran and Syria and was shooting rockets into Houston, Corpus Christi, and San Antonio and the citizens there had to evacuate. Would I want a complete cease-fire? YES! Would I feel that by completely destroying this group and bombing the crap out of Mexico we would end all terrorist attacks against the U.S.? No. Would I want to have a better understanding of why this small Islamic militant group is attacking us? YES! Would I feel that by completely destroying this group, the U.S. would weaken Iran and Syria and in turn help us in Iraq and Afghanistan? No.

How would weakening Iran and Syria help us in Iraq and Afghanistan? If anything, the fact that we are over-expending our troops and also spending BILLIONS of dollars by fighting a war in Iraq and Afghanistan only helps to weaken the U.S … and, of course, adds to the tension in the Middle East.

Also, destroying Hezbollah would not hurt Iran and Syria as much as you may think. Some conspiracy theorists suggest that this is exactly what they want… because it would serve to again inspire the Islamic militant world to be even more outraged with Israel and the U.S. … Hmmm?

Posted by: Carly at August 2, 2006 4:34 PM
Comment #172910

The Faces of Death

A. Study of the Texas death penalty under then Governor George W. Bush was performed by three Chicago Tribune reporters – Steve Mills, Ken Armstrong, and Douglas Holt – in June 2000. Their study found glaring and pervasive failures in the death penalty process under the Bush. By the time of the study Gov. Bush had executed 131 alleged murderers. The investigative journalists found that, of those 131 executions, defense attorneys in 40 cases presented either no evidence whatsoever or only one witness during the trial’s sentencing phase. In 29 of the cases, James (Dr. Death) Grigson testified that the defendant would commit future violent acts, although in most of these cases he had never interviewed the client. In 43 (one-third) of the cases the defendant was represented at trial or on initial appeal by an attorney who had been or was later disbarred, suspended, or otherwise sanctioned. In 23 of the cases prosecutors utilized jailhouse snitches, a form of testimony so notoriously unreliable that some states warn jurors to view it skeptically.

B. On 9/11/2001, approximately 3000 Americans died and NORAD was nowhere to be seen. Since Sept. 11 government representatives have in fact promoted a series of mutually contradictory narratives of how the nations air defenses responded to the unfolding attacks. Various chronologies were presented at different times by the high military command, the North American Air Defense command. Gen. Richard Myers, the acting Chairman of the Joint Chiefs of Staff on 9/11 told the Senate that no fighter jets were scrambled to intercept any of the 9/11 flights until after the Pentagon was struck. Myers statement to the Senate was incredible, given the standard U.S. air defense protocols for dealing with errant instrument flights (including off-course passenger planes). In place many years before Sept. 11, these procedures are automatic and require no special order. Within minutes after a flight ceases to respond to ground control, the FAA is expected to alert NORAD - which scrambles jet fighters to intercept the errant flight for reconnaissance purposes. These are supposed to be airborne within 10 minutes of the problem arising. This routine was activated on at least 67 occasions in the year prior to June 1, 2001

C. Iraqi death totals range from 50,000 to 100,000 civilians but no accurate official figure for the number of Iraqis killed since the outbreak of war in 2003. Some non-governmental estimates range from 10,000 to 30,000. About 2500 U.S. servicemen had been killed, according to the U.S. Defense Department. Violent deaths — those brought about by the intentional act of others — were wide spread studies reported. The chances of a violent death were 58 times higher after the invasion than before it, researchers concluded.

D. New Orleans and the Gulf Coast suffered. Hurricane Katrina was the costliest and one of the deadliest hurricanes in the history of the United States. It was the sixth strongest Atlantic hurricane ever recorded and the third strongest landfalling U.S. hurricane ever recorded. Katrina formed in late August during the 2005 Atlantic hurricane season and devastated much of the north central Gulf Coast of the United States. Most notable in media coverage were the catastrophic effects on the city of New Orleans. The storm killed at least 1836 people, making it the deadliest U.S. hurricane since the 1928 Okeechobee Hurricane. Criticism of the federal, state and local governments’ reaction to the storm was widespread and resulted in an investigation.

Do not you think it time to end the Cult of Death?


http://davidcogswell.com/MediaRoulette/LateMay05.html

Posted by: Thomas Love at August 2, 2006 8:58 PM
Comment #172918

YES!

Posted by: mark at August 2, 2006 9:48 PM
Comment #173010

Carly.

What if it wasn’t:
Mexican Terrorist supported by Syria and Iran vs. the U.S.
but instead:
Cuban Terrorists supported by Canada and Brazil vs. The Nation of Florida?
Would a Floridian response of bombing Havana missle sites be appropriate?
Of course we all want to eliminate the root cause, but that cause is nearly intractable.

Posted by: Dave1 at August 3, 2006 11:03 AM
Comment #173036

Dave,

If a cuban “terrorists” came into Florida and captured our soldiers in response to us having 10,000 of thier soldier captive. No, I do not think that bombing Havana’s missile sites would be the proper way to end this situation. As I said before, I only think that this would serve to outrage the Cuban people.

Please read my above comment again as to why I don’t think that this would be a good idea regardless of who it is. This situation is not simply about Hezbollah “terrorizing” Israel. Grab a world history book, and flip back to 1982. This will help you understand that Israel isn’t simply “defending herself.”

Posted by: Carly at August 3, 2006 1:01 PM
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