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I Know a Good GOP Senator When I See One

Dear Republicans,

Senator Lincoln Chafee (R-RI) is facing a primary challenge from conservative Steve Laffey. Since I am a liberal Democrat, I am sure you are eager to get my perspective on this important race.

It may surprise you to learn that I like Lincoln Chafee, even though he is a Republican. That’s because he is a man of conviction. He had the courage to defy the administration on the Iraq War, domestic wiretapping, and the appointment of Samuel Alito to the Supreme Court. Doesn’t that just warm your heart?

Sure you may disagree with his views, but you have to respect him for sticking to them. Plus he is already in office, and we all know that incumbents should be re-elected until they are caught in bed with a dead woman or a live goat. Basically, the only reason to vote against him is out of sheer hatred.

You better do what I suggest, or you are a crazy flying mammal that only comes out at night. Perhaps you are one of those flying monkeys from the Wizard of Oz. I will get you a little cap and vest you can wear while spout your crazy ideas. The point is, you can’t possibly have a legitimate reason not to support this charming Senator from Rhode Island.

What’s that, you say, you aren’t really interested in my opinion? Perhaps you find it trite and predictable? You don’t think I have your best interests at heart? Maybe you don't take advice from people who hurl petty insults at you? Funny, that’s how I feel when you folks write about Joe Lieberman…

Posted by Woody Mena at July 31, 2006 11:04 AM
Comments
Comment #172274

“Sure you may disagree with his views, but you have to respect him for sticking to them.”

Yes, that’s a main difference between republicans and democrats. I can disagree with Chaffee on issues without demanding he leave the Republican Party. Too me a Party is a general feeling of your politics, not a Stalinistic adherence to a specific set of rules and procedures.

Too bad dems feel differently about Joe.

Posted by: Ken Strong at July 31, 2006 11:31 AM
Comment #172276

No one is demanding he leave the Democratic Party. He is in danger of being voted out by his constituents in Connecticut. Just like Lincoln Chafee is danger in Rhode Island.

I don’t know what you are getting at about the rules and procedures. You mean the procedure of holding a primary?


Posted by: Woody Mena at July 31, 2006 11:36 AM
Comment #172280

——woody Mena—- I have gone along with most of your postings, an this one would appear quiet
confrontational to say the least, an somewhat
personal in that Senator Lieberman is a public figure, which leaves him open to public debate.
I like Lincoln Chafee, an believe he is a very
honorable person, It would seem you are trying to
pit the two together, in order to show their is no difference because of methodology. I really can’t
compare the two for having the same ideology.

Posted by: DAVID at July 31, 2006 11:58 AM
Comment #172290

David,

We seem to have a misunderstanding. The point of my post is that it is silly for conservative Republicans to tell Democrats that Lieberman deserves our loyalty (as many, many bloggers have done), because they are hardly qualified to tell people they strongly disagree with how they should evaluate candidates. I was trying to illustrate this by singing the phrases of Lincoln Chafee. To state the obvious, the fact that I like Lincoln Chafee is not much of a qualification in the GOP primary.

It wasn’t meant to be a personal attack on Lieberman. I don’t even mention him until the last sentence.

Posted by: Woody Mena at July 31, 2006 12:15 PM
Comment #172293

—-Ken Strong—— Your post won’t classify you as a
spin mister status or even a good spin!!

Posted by: DAVID at July 31, 2006 12:29 PM
Comment #172295

No analogy is completely perfect or completely imperfect.

Don’t know as much about the Lincoln Chafee election, but if the post is an honest representation, this seems like a decent analogy.

However, one large difference is that Liberman was the #2 posterboy of the Dems 5.5 years ago.
Liberman’s fall from Liberals’ graces seems to be ~only about Dems kicking out a/the Favorite Son over the Iraq War.

Posted by: Brian at July 31, 2006 12:31 PM
Comment #172299

————-an spinmiesters should put Brain in Gear
Before engaging mouth.

Posted by: DAVID at July 31, 2006 12:50 PM
Comment #172302

Brian:

That’s precisely what I find amazing about the Lieberman situation. 6 years ago, Joe was the number 2 man on the Democratic Presidential ticket, meaning that he was front and center representing the Democratic party.

Chaffee has never represented the Republican party to the same level. He’s a fringe player really.

The analogy would be more accurate if the Republicans were disavowing one of the most central figures in the Republican party…say, someone like John McCain.

For what its worth, though, I don’t have a prob with Dems voting on Lieberman in the primary. If they vote him out, so be it. It might cost them in the general election, if Lieberman is popular in a statewide referendum. I did not like the political games the Dems played on Paul Hackett in Ohio, where they sucked away the financial support right out from under his feet. In that way, they denied Democratic voters a legitimate choice in the primary there.

Posted by: joebagodonuts at July 31, 2006 12:55 PM
Comment #172307

—-Woody Mena— I have always respected your opinions, as a critical thinker, I may have to adjust my tunnel vision a tweak an be less critical.
So many people on this only go by what they hear
rather than looking up the facts. I guess spin is a
much easier cheap shot than going threw the effort,
to discover how good you feel when you can back
up your statements with facts! Any way Woody, sorry
about misunderstanding your post

Posted by: DAVID at July 31, 2006 1:12 PM
Comment #172310

I would say the CT treating of Lieberman is very similar to the way McCain was treated right after Bush was elected. There was lots of buzz then that McCain might change parties, or become an independent. The differences were that McCain angered the party but not his constituents, Lieberman is vice versa; and that McCain eventually toed the line, in my opinion selling out his famed integrity for political capital.

Posted by: David S at July 31, 2006 1:19 PM
Comment #172312

—joebagodnuts— Nice post. an Paul Hackett is even
helping his opponent.

Posted by: DAVID at July 31, 2006 1:22 PM
Comment #172319

Good satire, and gentle satire at that. It’s unfortunate that you had to make the point explicit at the end, but in the current political climate, probably necessary.

Posted by: Trent at July 31, 2006 1:36 PM
Comment #172326

I don’t know about Lincoln Chafee, but if he votes how his constituants (his bosses) want him to, then he’s representing his people in a positive way and should be re-elected.

BTW, Joe Lieberman was a “political bone” thrown to the middle of the Democratic Party. He was the moderating factor in the Gore/Lieberman ticket to offset Gore’s liberal leanings. Look for Hillary to nominate a moderate also as V.P. so as to “stake out” the middle in 2008. At least she’s smart enough to know that most of the votes come from the middle and not the extremes.

Posted by: Jim T at July 31, 2006 2:19 PM
Comment #172335

I like Chafee too. What I find humorous is that the (r)wingers would be spewing RINO vomit on Lieberman if he were a Republican.

Posted by: Dave1 at July 31, 2006 2:51 PM
Comment #172442

Joe BOD

Just ask Rush what he thinks of John McCain.

McCain will never be President because the neocons will never let him be nominated, no matter how much he kisses Bush’s ass.

Posted by: mark at July 31, 2006 9:55 PM
Comment #172444

Brian

I don’t think Lieberman was ever in the Liberal’s grace. Sure they voted for him as the Dem’s VP candidated. Consider the options.

Posted by: mark at July 31, 2006 10:00 PM
Comment #172494
Liberman’s fall from Liberals’ graces seems to be ~only about Dems kicking out a/the Favorite Son over the Iraq War.

That’s not surprising, JBOD. The Iraq war is a big deal. It’s the reason many Americans held their noses and voted for Bush in 04.

Posted by: American Pundit at August 1, 2006 4:05 AM
Comment #172506

From what I can observe from the info coming out of CT, it’s not just Joe’s stance on Iraq but his continuous kissing of Bush’s rear. Take for instance his insistance on the necessity of all of us blindly following Bush because he is the president and we aren’t and this is a time of war. Now correct me if I am wrong but for a Dem to constantly back the current American regime against his own party doesn’t make him a true Dem it makes him another Zell Miller.

Posted by: Frankie Bruchis at August 1, 2006 8:14 AM
Comment #172525

I didn’t like waffling flip-flopping Lieberman when he ran with Gore…one of the weakest V.P. candidates ever…right up there with that Republican guy from Indiana who couldn’t spell potato…I don’t like lispy little whiney voiced two-faced Liberman now, either…

He certainly demonstrates the “win at any cost” mania that has overtaken all incumbents…he doesn’t care what he stands for, he’ll switch sides or run against his lifelong supporting party just so he can “win”…

With incumbents like that, the people always “lose”!

Posted by: Lynne at August 1, 2006 10:25 AM
Comment #172560
doesn’t make him a true Dem it makes him another Zell Miller. Posted by: Frankie Bruchis at August 1, 2006 08:14 AM
The Democrats are supposed to be an inclusive party that encourages a diversity of opinion. Why should they become a GOP, who purged all dissent in the 90’s declaring anyone with a modicum of independence a RINO? I, for one, would be dismayed if DINO became a liberal mantra. Posted by: Dave1 at August 1, 2006 12:50 PM
Comment #172579

AP:

FYI—your response was to Brian’s post, not mine.

Mark:

Joe BOD

Just ask Rush what he thinks of John McCain.

Perhaps you are projecting here. Perhaps you need to ask political and entertainment pundits what they think of things. I don’t need to do that—I tend to make up my own mind.

For that reason, I don’t much care what Rush has to say about McCain. Rush’s opinions are…well, Rush’s opinions. I agree with some and I disagree with some.

McCain will have a tough run in a Republican primary. He is certainly closer to the center on many issues than the Republican party is. But he has a big microphone with the media and the people—if he can use his power there, then he has a shot.

As for me, I’ll judge him on his overall performance over the past years and the next couple. Who knows…maybe he and Joe Lieberman will start their own independent party from the middle, and take people like Chaffee or Snowe or Miller etc along with them.

Posted by: joebagodonuts at August 1, 2006 1:51 PM
Comment #172593

Dave

There is room for dissention in the Democratic party— why do you think we can’t get a platform or address the s—t that the GOP slings at us. Free thinking is encouraged to the partys detriment. HOWEVER Zell got up at the GOP convention and did nothing AND I MEAN NOTHING but trash about the depravity and well the general nastiness that was the democratic party. You will remember he even wished he could call I believe it was Chris Matthews out for a dual because he questioned Miller on why he was there. Sounds like he isn’t to fond of Dems (I should know because I live in Georgia and was represented by Mr. Miller)
However again I state when you have more support for the opposing party than your own - YOU SHOULD CHANGE PARTIES! Do you hang around with people you like and agree with generally or do you hang out with people you constantly disagree with??

Posted by: frankie Bruchis at August 1, 2006 3:12 PM
Comment #172595

frankie,

I would provide the following clarifications:
I wouldn’t boot out someone because they disagreed with me. If they fit better in the other party, it’s up to them when to leave. I wouldn’t call them names as part of the process. Zell Miller is “nuts”.

Posted by: Dave1 at August 1, 2006 3:21 PM
Comment #172628

Dave
A question because you did make a few good points— is being fired from your job (because being a Senator or Congressperson is a job, they work for us.)the same as being kicked out of the party?? Is a dislike for how you have been represented and wanting someone else to do the job reprehensible?? Because I feel like those in CT for Lamont are doing just that - trying to fire someone they think no longer serves their best interests.Our freedoms are slowly being stripped away from us and like frogs that are put in water and slowly the water is being brought to boil. I feel like it is our duty as citizens of this great country to fire those policical representatives we think are doing a crappy job. And I agree with you on Miller.

Posted by: Frankie Bruchis at August 1, 2006 6:12 PM
Comment #172633

Joe bod

My point was that many from the Republican Right have disavowed McCain.

Posted by: mark at August 1, 2006 6:27 PM
Comment #172671

John McCain is one of my personal heroes. As the son of the commander of all U.S. forces in the Pacific, the North Vietnamese offered to release him from captivity (as a PR ploy, of course).

But McCain refused to leave unless all POW’s were released. That action resulted in his being horribly tortured.

It is a black mark on the U.S. military that he did not receive the Medal of Honor for his courage.

Having said that, I can’t support him politically. I believe he is a man of principles, but he has sacrificed many of them in the name of political expediency.

That is the difference between a politician and statesman. A statesman is willing to die, politically and physically, for his principles.

Posted by: vietnam_vet at August 1, 2006 8:24 PM
Comment #172677

Well said vietnam-vet, my thoughts exactly.

Posted by: mark at August 1, 2006 9:20 PM
Comment #172784

frankie,

I think there’s a big difference between an election, a primary vote, and being kicked out of a party. I don’t think we can generalize, this is really case by case. I agree that in the end it is the voters duty to pick who’s right for them and that there are few current members of congress, and none in the executive, who are right for me.

Posted by: Dave1 at August 2, 2006 10:31 AM
Comment #172821

—-Dave1— Joe Liberman saw his poll’s were low an
decided to jump the Democratic Ship an register as
as an Independent in case he lost the Democratic
Primary this Nov. Some people believe as do I, consider this act, along with his other siding with
the opposition on many issues, the straw that broke
the camels back. As this is just my opinion, the rest is up to the voters in CT. in November.

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