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A Midsummer Night's Swim in the Sewer

Is there anything some politicians will not say or do to get elected? It is no longer about the issues facing our nation. It’s about destroying your opponent anyway you can, and more times than not it is not about a candidate’s record, it’s personal.

The Ohio Republican Party recently sent out an e-mail to social conservative Republican supporters attacking Democratic gubernatorial candidate Ted Strickland, whom is running against the Republican's J. Kenneth Blackwell.

Among other things, the e-mail says Strickland married his wife, Frances, at 46, has no children and lives apart from her. It also links readers to an Internet blog that directly questions the sexual orientation of both Stricklands and notes accusations he is "soft on those who sexually assault children."

Strickland denies the allegations and calls them "ugly," which is beside the point.

"They’re trying to use innuendo. That’s what they do. It’s political dirty tricks. It’s an attempt to destroy the opponent rather than debate the issues."

The e-mail, sent from a computer at Ohio Republican headquarters by "social conservative coordinator" Gary Lankford, has been disavowed by the Ohio Republican Party.

Party spokesman John McClelland said the message was sent without party approval, isn’t part of the party’s strategy, and that the party has made it clear that all future messages must be vetted before they are distributed.

Mr. McClelland said, "the party would not send out a follow-up e-mail or take any other action to repudiate it besides making public statements."

That is how these things work. You get the message out, then when you get called on it; you simply blame it on one individual and disavow such tactics. All the while the message is out, spreading across the internet, hoping that the general public never hears one of those "public statements," and the damage is done.

Back in May, Republican candidate Vernon Robinson, whom is challenging Democratic U.S. Rep. Brad Miller for North Carolina's 13th Congressional District, sent out a letter to all voters in the district.

In the letter Robinson wrote, "Brad Miller is a childless, middle-aged personal injury lawyer whose ideological world view was formulated when he joined the hippie peaceniks who volunteered on Gene McCarthy's 1968 presidential campaign."

What does Brad Miller being middle-aged and childless have to do with the issues facing our country? The fact of the matter is that it is true the Millers are childless. His wife had to have a hysterectomy at age 27.

What both of these smear campaigns do is show the Republican Party's total lack of respect for their fellow human beings. The tactic is to make voters question the sexuality of these candidates. The Republican Party has a long history of saying it is ok to win elections by villainizing a portion of the voting public. The only thing sadder, is that the public would judge the leadership ability of a candidate based solely on sexual orientation.

We get what we vote for. As long as we continue to vote for candidates whose campaigns are in the sewer, then the national sewer in D.C., is what we are going to get... and deserve.

Posted by JayJay Snow at July 27, 2006 11:39 AM
Comments
Comment #171082

next thing you know they’ll be comparing him to Hitler.

Posted by: Brian B at July 27, 2006 1:29 PM
Comment #171084
That is how these things work. You get the message out, then when you get called on it; you simply blame it on one individual and disavow such tactics.
The Repug party has a history of that. Who remembers that during the ‘04 campaign they had a fall guy who took the hit for coordinating GOPer strategy with Churches and the FREC activist PACs? I’d be surprised to hear of any (R)winger who remembers or won’t excuse it. Posted by: Dave1 at July 27, 2006 1:35 PM
Comment #171085

“What does Brad Miller being middle-aged and childless have to do with the issues facing our country? The fact of the matter is that it is true the Millers are childless. His wife had to have a hysterectomy at age 27.”

I know the Miller’s, I know Esther much better through a lot of non-profit work together - actually, Brad’s wife’s name is Esther Hall. My my my - she can’t have kids AND didn’t take his last name. HIPPIES!

If you want some real disturbing fun, go to Vernon’s web site and watch some of his ads… I’m serious, you will most likely loose some teeth when your jaw drops. They’re really quite insane. When I first watched them, I sent Brad $100 and then emailed the receipt to Vernon. I also noticed an ad that had a long quote from Bill Cosby - which I was pretty sure no one had permission to use. Now, I’m not naive enough to think I had anything to do with this, but I sent the ad to ASCAP and the ad is no longer on the site.

http://www.vernonrobinson.com/

http://www.house.gov/bradmiller/

Posted by: tony at July 27, 2006 1:36 PM
Comment #171086

Just another example of how dirrty politics have become in this county. These types of devisive tactics do not help our country. But really, why do they do this, because its all about money and power in politics now. Politics is way too self involved, unopen to everyone (only the rich can run), and there is too much $$$ involved that directs decisions (ie. businesses decide). The GOP is the new facist theocratic party and I for one cannot except this. Politics should be open to all classes and business needs to stop buying off politicans. I love my country and can only sit back and watch it be ruined for so long by incompetance, personal agendas or too much outside influence from institutions that should not decide policy. The system has to be changed immediately. People wake up- take back our government, our country, and help fight the awful direction we are engulfed in now and heading towards.

Posted by: dee at July 27, 2006 1:37 PM
Comment #171089

Lets not forget the ironic flipside to this. Even if your orientation isn’t in question, you can evoke the same response by not being sufficiently discrete.

Posted by: DOC at July 27, 2006 1:41 PM
Comment #171091

dee,

Read John Deans (yes, from Watergate) new book “Conservatives without Conscience”. He uses the term “protofascist”. We’re not there yet, but you’re right that the warning bells need to be rung.

Posted by: Dave1 at July 27, 2006 1:49 PM
Comment #171093

What do we do about Congressman who go on Colbert and making stupid statements: “I love cocaine because it’s a fun thing to do.”

Everyone (I hope) knows that it’s a comedy show, but everyone also knows that what you say to a camera will always be around to haunt you.

Posted by: tony at July 27, 2006 1:58 PM
Comment #171096

tony,

What difference does it make? If you are anti-whatever-he-is, you’ll use it as ammo. If you like the guy, you’ll laugh. Would you prefer to be a Democrat and say nothing while the repubs screw everything up? (BTW: I have no idea who you’re talking about, I must have missed it)

Posted by: Dave1 at July 27, 2006 2:07 PM
Comment #171098

“What do we do about Congressman who go on Colbert and making stupid statements: “I love cocaine because it’s a fun thing to do.”

Everyone (I hope) knows that it’s a comedy show, but everyone also knows that what you say to a camera will always be around to haunt you.”

I mean does this even need a response??? YOU SAID IT YOURSELF ITS A COMEDY SHOW. COMEDY. Look it up. This is part of the problem with reps. / conser. they have no sense of humor and are way too close minded. This is what we are up against.

Posted by: dee at July 27, 2006 2:14 PM
Comment #171103

I have to agree with Tony. It’s funny, and if you look at it in the right context it can be fun as well.

Prior to marrying a dancer, Ronald Reagan was married to a two time divorcee, and hung around with a chimpanzee?

FDR married his cousin and had six children by her.

Martha Washington wasn’t a virgin when she married George, the two of them were frequently seperated, and they never produced children between them.

If you know language, you can make a case for anything.

Posted by: DOC at July 27, 2006 2:23 PM
Comment #171107

The whole point of bringing up the Congressman on the Colbert Report was just: It’s such a stupid political football being tossed around right now, and the Congressman is getting a lot of air from it - both good and bad.

He’s a Democrat running unopposed in Florida, so not sure he’s got much to loose… but …

You see these guys do things like this, and ya wonder - what made them eligible for the job and not others…??? Rule of thumb - if the camera is on, shut up unless you have something to say that you really want people to hear.

Posted by: tony at July 27, 2006 2:31 PM
Comment #171111

tony,

Are you suggesting they never do anything in public of a ‘human’ nature? Without context, are you analyzing a republican spin or did he simply say somethnig possibly in poor humor? In any case, what difference does it make with regards to his ability to be a legislator? Or, to rephrase what I asked before, “Would you prefer to be like the rest of the Democrats and say nothing while the repubs screw everything up?” ?

Posted by: dave1 at July 27, 2006 2:45 PM
Comment #171112

JayJay,

To address your point of reprehensible political campaigning, i agree totally. The question is always asked of why there are so many eligible voters in this country who want nothing to do with politics, and a big part of the answer are these smear campaigns that go on. Why should someone take interest in politics when all they hear is total trash talk and mudslinging?

Where i have to take issue with your post is that you make this out to be a purely Republican issue. I would say that we both know this is not one sided.

Case in point…I heard a campaign ad on the radio last week here in CT, the first few words of the ad said in a strong, deep male voice “JOE LIEBERMAN CAUSES CANCER”. A more subtle and softer voice then made a comment on his support for something Bush proposed, which was followed by “JOE LIEBERMAN WANTS TO PUT THE ELDERLY ON THE STREET” and then the same soft voice saying something about social security.

This went on for 60 seconds, followed by “I’M NED LAMONT, AND I APPROVE THIS MESSAGE”. Until i heard this ad, i was fairly satisfied with the conduct of the primary campaign until i heard this. Lieberman’s voting record is a major issue in the campaign, but lets face it, Joe Lieberman doesn’t cause cancer, nor does he want grandma out on the street. At least the televised debate was a bit more civil…

I am sure the more reasonable political observers in this country get sick and tired of the smear campaigns. I am convinced that politics is the dirtiest business to get into, but to think that the sh*t is being thrown only from one side is certainly not the case. We should be condemning the practice of mudslinging in politics, PERIOD, not just pretending that its just Republicans who do it.

Posted by: Greg at July 27, 2006 2:47 PM
Comment #171117

dave1 -

I want our politicians to express themselves as normal people do… but that’s the rub, they’re public figures and so they face much tougher scrutiny. I could care less what people say, but most people are too stupid to think through what they see… I would bet next year’s salary that many people in the Congressman’s district KNOW that their Congressman is a drug addict.

I shoot video for a living, so this is something I’ve seen way too often. People get carried away with the moment and forget that they are being taped… and BAM! Welcome to the HEADLINES!

The rule most people should follow is: If there’s a mic or camera near you, assum it’s on, and ONLY the bad parts of what is recorded will be used. It kind of sucks, but it keeps embarassing moments to a minimum.

Again, this is not a personal issue (as far as wanting politicians to only ever make sound bites) but it’s an understanding of how stupid the masses can be.

Posted by: tony at July 27, 2006 2:51 PM
Comment #171126

tony,

It’s hard to argue with your last point. Half of all people are stupider than average (and average ain’t that smart)

Posted by: Dave1 at July 27, 2006 3:15 PM
Comment #171128

We are a country where hair dryers must be sold with warnings telling people not to use them in the shower.

I think the helmet law should be expanded to most pedestrians…

Posted by: tony at July 27, 2006 3:18 PM
Comment #171153

We create politicians, and we will get what we ask/vote for in the politicians of our own party.

Politicians, LEFT and RIGHT, will do poor things as long as they are not punished/disincented to do so.

I advocate holding up to scrutiny and vilification Intellectual Dishonestly wherever it rears its head, and commensurately shunning politicians who do this OVERCOMING PERSONAL PARTY LOYALTY.

Conservatives who defend Nixon, or liberals who defend Clinton, or… (the list goes on ad nauseum) seem deeply bigoted to me, and ipso facto care more about political extremism than morals/ethics.

Politicians should be held higher standards than the rest of us, since they are Role Models influencing our society (young and old), and represent us externally.

Posted by: Brian at July 27, 2006 4:44 PM
Comment #171155

Brain -

I agree completely. I’ve heard so much recently about how we should not judge indicted politicians until they have been proven guilty in court. Horsecrap!

It’s not about doing what’s legal - It’s about doing what’s right!

Posted by: tony at July 27, 2006 4:47 PM
Comment #171165

I agree that such remarks are bad.

But when I hear the president called a chimp, liar, moron etc and when we hear that Howard Deans hates all Republicans or that we steal elections by our clever use of machines, I don’t think any Democrats have much standing to be outraged.

You complain about an indirect innuendo while the Dems engage in outright lies and attacks.

Google “hate Bush” if you want to see some, or just look at this blog.

As a Republican, I get sick of being called a fascist by children (in mind - if not in body) who evidently do not know what either a Republican or a fascist really is and who enjoy they autoerotic adventures with their own idle beliefs.

So swim in the sewer, but remember that most of them enjoying the waters are Democrats.

Posted by: Jack at July 27, 2006 5:14 PM
Comment #171166

“Next thing you know they’ll be comparing him to Hitler”

They already did that with Govenor Jennifer Granholm in Michigan(Of course the Rebublicans denied any prior knowledge of the newspaper ad making the comparison),

Posted by: mark at July 27, 2006 5:17 PM
Comment #171167

Tony-

I really liked that Colbert show. I was certain that it would be written about the next day, and sure enough, even a week afterwards, the media is still on it. It shows two things: voters do not research anything, and they will believe anything they are told provided they haven’t heard an opposing argument yet. Framing is the key.

The cold truth is, just as you alluded, these politicians are not the best and brightest. While there are a few who have some sense, most are excentric reformed party animals or insane old codgers. The saddest part is that they really have no idea what real people want or need. Putting them on a satirical political show gives great insight into who they are. Are they the type who will go along with ANY joke? Are they the type who can’t answer a simple question about the ten commandments (What are they?) after they sponsered a bill allowing them in government buildings? Watching them respond to mockery provides me with more insight than a debate. I must say, the fact that Colbert can make our congressmen blush, go mute, or utterly embarrass themselves by merely asking them the most honest and practical of questions speaks volumes about how little accountability there is in Washington.

Posted by: Kevin23 at July 27, 2006 5:19 PM
Comment #171168

Tony

But you don’t know if they are doing right or wrong until you investigate. In politics there are lots of accusations that are made up out of whole cloth, there is a lot more smoke than fire.

Brian

I cannot believe many people think politicians are role models. Politics is by its nature a competition where people have to compromise what THEY consider good things to get better things. We have politics precisely to decide those issues where we cannot agree. Where we all agree, we just have laws or custom. The “flexibility” of a good politician is probably not something you would want in most other professions.

Posted by: Jack at July 27, 2006 5:21 PM
Comment #171180

Why hasn’t Rep. Jefferson Williams been indicted yet? They taped him receiving a bribe of $100K, and found $90K of it hidden in his freezer.

Brian wrote: We create politicians, and we will get what we ask/vote for in the politicians of our own party. Politicians, LEFT and RIGHT, will do poor things as long as they are not punished/disincented to do so.

Precisely, we create them by re-electing them, over and over.

Americans have forgotten the one simple thing they were supposed to do, always:

Voters have programmed incumbent politicians to be corrupt, greedy, irresponsible, and unaccountable, because voters keep re-electing them.

So, it is ridiculous to expect incumbent politicians to reform themselves or anything else.

Despite the numerous reforms discussed here endlessly, no reforms are possible until voters, first, do the one simple thing they were supposed to be doing all along:
Stop Re-Electing irresponsible incumbents !

There is a simple solution, and while it seems so simple (i.e. don’t re-elect irresponsible incumbent politicians), Americans keep re-electing the very same people that use and abuse them.

Why?

Because voters are programmed too. They have been brainwashed to keep voting for the same incumbents (with the most experience at being corrupt, greedy, and selfish).

Because voters love to wallow in the partisan warfare that is fueled by the irresponsible incumbent politicians.

Parties are not the solution.
All parties have too many irresponsible incumbent politicians.

If you don’t want to vote for a Republican, then vote for a Democratic challenger.

If you don’t want to vote for a Democrat, then vote for a Republican challenger.

However, someone will say “But I have to vote for the Democrat/Republican with the best chance of winning”.

Why?

Since when did re-electing irresponsible incumbent politicians become more important than electing someone more responsible?

90% of elections are won by the candidate that spends the most money. In year 2000, 85% of all federal contributions ($2.4 billion) were from a tiny 1% of the U.S. population that has vast wealth and power. Americans see a TV ad, or an incumbent, and they figure that’s who they should vote for.

Re-electing irresponsible, bought-and-paid-for, greedy, do-nothing, FOR-SALE, corrupt incumbent politicians will only make politicians more corrupt. Duh!

The corruption and oppression just grows and grows, and voters are litterally helping to grow it:

  • rampant voter fraud, and no one held accountable

  • habeas corpus violations

  • spying on citizens

  • rampant campaign violations and misuse of campaign donations

  • 83% of all federal campaign donations come from a tiny 1% of the U.S. population with vast wealth and power

  • fiscally and morally bankrupt incumbent politicians

  • outright dishonest and irresponsible mismanagement of Social Security ($12.8 trillion in the hole); and out-right ponzi-scheme with surpluses being plundered and replaced with worthless government bonds.

  • an irresponsible, deceptive monetary system that is essentially a ponzi-scheme too, as the Federal Reserve and government print all the money they want, which perpetuate the ever-present, destabilizing inflation (NOTE: in year 1950, there was $150 billion in circulation; by year 2000, that grew to $6.9 trillion; where did all that money come from? The Fed printed it, which causes the ever present erosion of the currency (by design).)

  • growing the $8.4 trillion National Debt ever larger (this is separate from the $12.8 trillion of Social Security Debt, and the $trillions of unfunded Medicare liabilities, and the $450 billion of PBGC debt, etc.).

  • pretending homeland security is important, but ignoring borders and ports

  • presidents lying (“read my lips”, “I did not have sex with that woman”, “your president is not a crook”, irresponsible and/or ciminally negligent mischaracterization of WMDs, and still, later, Bush said (5/29/2003): “We found the weapons of mass destruction”).

  • starting unnecessary wars based on bad intelligence (possibly lies)

  • leaking top-secret information

  • The middle class is shrinking. The g a p has never been larger since the Great Depression.

  • Incumbent politicians are FOR-SALE, bought-and-paid-for, greedy, selfish, corrupt, and fiscally and morally bankrupt.

  • And, voters that empower irresponsible incumbent politicians, by repeatedly re-electing them, voting straight-ticket, pulling the party lever, and wallowing in the petty partisan warfare.

We may simply have to wait for things to get much worse (and they will), before there is ever a hope of voters caring enough to start doing what they were supposed to do all along: Stop re-electing irresponsible incumbent politicians. It’s that simple, but extremely elusive, because Americans have forgotten that one simple thing. Americans have programmed their politicians to be corrupt, by re-electing them, by reinforcing their corruption, by encourage a culture of corruption. By the time American voters figure it out (if ever), it will most likely only be after considerable (and unnecessary) pain and misery (as usual). But they will eventually learn, because pain and misery is a good educator. It takes a long, long time (2 steps forward and 1.999 steps backward), but we will learn someday. For now, we only have themselves to thank for it. Too bad though, that future generations will also suffer because of our negligence, greed, and selfishness.

Too bad children don’t know what is going on.

Otherwise, they might ask: “Father, Mother, why do you keep voting for the same person when you said congress is crooked?”

The problem is too deeply entrenced in all Americans. There are too many Americans that are uneducated, ignorant, brainwashed, selfish, and too easy to bribe (with the voters’ own money).

And, of course, there are too many crooked, selfish, irresponsible incumbent politicians in office, which is why, after over a year asking the same question over and over, nobody has yet named 10, 20, 50, 100, much less 268 (half of the 535) in Congress that are responsible and accountable. Obviously, there are enough Americans either. They like their corrupt politicians. They say “Well, nobody is perfect”. “She apologized for that”. “Everone makes mistakes”. The best one is “Well, they all do it.”

Sadly, the debate about countless reforms is hopeless, since politicians will never pass any of them, and the debate amongst voters is who is the most corrupt (Republicans or Democrats). Well, the fact is, they are both so [explicative]ing corrupt, it doesn’t matter. If you want to see it grow more corrupt, keep re-electing them, and see where it gets you.

Posted by: d.a.n at July 27, 2006 5:48 PM
Comment #171184

The scary part is, Americans vote in such a way that it guarantees that the most corrupt, irresponsible, selfish, bought-and-paid-for incumbent politicians find their way into government, and once their, they can enjoy the security of their cu$hy, coveted seats of abused power, because Americans are programmed to re-elect them over and over, rather than risk letting someone from another party getting elected. The petty partisan warfare is the politicians best invention, and too many voters are all too fond to wallow in it.

Posted by: d.a.n at July 27, 2006 5:54 PM
Comment #171189

“Tony

But you don’t know if they are doing right or wrong until you investigate. In politics there are lots of accusations that are made up out of whole cloth, there is a lot more smoke than fire.”

not sure what this is response to… ???

Posted by: tony at July 27, 2006 6:06 PM
Comment #171190

The amazing part is that Americans, who complain about corruption in government, have the power right under their very own noses to change it … stop re-electing irresponsible, bought-and-paid-for incumbent politicians, always. The solution is so simple, but so elusive.

  • Never, were voters supposed to lazily pull the party lever, or vote strictly along the party line. That is how irresponsible incumbent politicians fool and control voters, by fueling the petty partisan warfare (the perfect distraction), while the nation falls apart right before our very eyes.
  • Never, were voters supposed to wallow in the petty partisan warfare. What good are parties if irresponsible, bought-and-paid-for incumbent politicians in both parties just take turns using and abusing everyone ?
  • Never, were voters supposed to empower the very same irresponsible, bought-and-paid-for incumbent politicians that use and abuse us.
  • Never, were voters supposed to be so blinded by the petty partisan warfare, that they are oblivious to our serious problems as they grow in number and severity.
  • Never, was government supposed to be FOR-SALE, where too many bought-and-paid-for incumbent politicians are too beholding to a few big-money puppeteers with vast wealth and power (instead of the voters).
  • Never, were voters supposed to ignore their government, as they do now, because that invites abuse and breeds corruption.

Nothing fancy.
Nothing complicated.
Not yet another new party or candidate.
Not yet another vast scheme or conspiracy.
Just a little plain old common sense.
Just the one simple, no-brainer, common-sense thing voters were supposed to do all along, always.
That’s all.

  • Stop Repeat Offenders.

  • Don’t Re-Elect Them !

Posted by: d.a.n at July 27, 2006 6:07 PM
Comment #171195

Tony

it is from this: I agree completely. I’ve heard so much recently about how we should not judge indicted politicians until they have been proven guilty in court. Horsecrap!

It’s not about doing what’s legal - It’s about doing what’s right!

Posted by: Jack at July 27, 2006 6:20 PM
Comment #171200
We get what we vote for. As long as we continue to vote for candidates whose campaigns are in the sewer, then the national sewer in D.C., is what we are going to get… and deserve.

You are absolutely correct.

What we have is an electorate that is ignorant, and too easy to trick. I can say that, since I used to be one of them (not too long ago). I doubt Americans will get the message any time soon, but I am confident that they will learn it eventually, because you can only crap in your own nest for so long, before the branch is rests upon finally snaps. When it does, the education will be the school of hard knocks, misery, and pain.

Posted by: d.a.n at July 27, 2006 6:43 PM
Comment #171209

The Republican’s J. Kenneth Blackwell has been having an affair with Party spokesman John McClelland for years. Party spokesman John McClelland has been renewing his Viagra prescription regularly for three years now. I guess J. Kenneth Blackwell must be a little sore by now.



Stay tuned for tomorrows public statement.

Posted by: Pat at July 27, 2006 7:13 PM
Comment #171210

As far as smear campaigns go, both parties are guilty. So lets all just admit politicians on both side of the fence are corrupt.

Posted by: KAP at July 27, 2006 7:30 PM
Comment #171211

unfortunately politics has become full contact all the time with no place for whining at any time with nobody and everybody at fault, i just hope this country can find a away for both sides to move closer together because if you look at America’s history it’s when both sides are run by there own respective zealots “as it’s being done now” that things go truly wrong…some of us still believe in this place.

Posted by: peter at July 27, 2006 7:32 PM
Comment #171216

Jack -

I agree suspected illegal acts should be investigated, but I think politicians who are indicted should leave office. Public office should be about doing what’s right… not simply nitpicking about what’s legal.

Let the courts and the indicted work out the details on their own.

Posted by: tony at July 27, 2006 7:45 PM
Comment #171230

If it is not a nice day to be called a fascist do not act like one.

Posted by: BillS at July 27, 2006 9:04 PM
Comment #171238

As long as the voters do not hold politicians accountable for smear tactics, they will continue, because, unfortunately, they often work. Perhaps because of my own politics, I feel Republicans are worst offenders, but I accept the possibility that this perception may be a result of my own bias. Regardless, there is plenty of blame to go around.

Is this inevitable in a Democracy? Perhaps. The Athenian orators certainly weren’t above smear tactics. Since appealing to the emotions is often effective, and subtle reasoning can be difficult to convey to large numbers of people, thoughtful debate often seems irrelevant. And in the heat of a campaign, it is often easy to think the ends justify the means.

Sometimes I despair for our democracy and wonder about alternatives, but I don’t see any. No matter how well meaning a monarchy or oligarchy may be, it by its nature is going to be one-sided. Well, we’ve muddled through for more than 200 years; here’s hoping for another 200.

Posted by: Trent at July 27, 2006 10:10 PM
Comment #171240

Never ‘misunderestimate’ the power of ‘stoopid’ people in large groups.


As far as the voting machines are concerned, investigate it yourself:
They are made by Diebold, whose (former)CEO, Walden O’Dell, donated $4,000 of the $25,500 the company gave the Bush campaign.

To see why voters raise concerns about the machines, visit:
http://www.commondreams.org/views04/0225-05.htm

To see why O’Dell is no longer CEO, and why more and more people believe in neocon conspiracies, visit:
http://rawstory.com/news/2005/Diebold_CEO_resigns_after_reports_of_1212.html

The fact that all of this is based in Ohio raises more RED flags…

Revolt! For our lives and our childrens’ freedom is at stake and under imminent threat!

Posted by: ChristianLeft at July 27, 2006 10:21 PM
Comment #171248

“{You complain about an indirect innuendo while the Dems engage in outright lies and attacks. “

Predictable statement.
I’m sure you can provide lots of examples for us, right?

Posted by: Observer at July 27, 2006 10:53 PM
Comment #171256

Observer

I did. Look at the comments on this blog. Look in the archives. Google “Bush hate”. My statement is predictable because you know it is true.

Posted by: Jack at July 27, 2006 11:31 PM
Comment #171281

Politicians and diapers have one thing in common. They should both be changed regularly and for the same reason.

Posted by: JayJay at July 28, 2006 12:59 AM
Comment #171290

If you wanna talk about smear tactics and character assasination, just wait until Hillary unleashes her “SMEAR AND DESTROY” campaign in ‘08. And her fellow DemocRATS(the big sewer variety) won’t be off limits in the primaries either. Until then, just listen to AirAmerica sometime and enjoy.

Posted by: Duane-o at July 28, 2006 1:23 AM
Comment #171291

BTW Go Blackwell ‘08!!!!!

Posted by: Duane-o at July 28, 2006 1:24 AM
Comment #171294

>>Politicians and diapers have one thing in common. They should both be changed regularly and for the same reason.
Posted by: JayJay at July 28, 2006 12:59 AM

A Mastercard commercial if I ever heard one.

Priceless.

Posted by: DOC at July 28, 2006 1:42 AM
Comment #171301

Shouldn’t this be investigated? Has anyone questioned children that live around him to see if anything is going on. Has this democrat been investigated?

Iv’e been watching “progressives” closely and I believe the investigation smear they so gleefully employ applies here. I’m not saying that this democrat is a gay child molester….but if he is the full penalty of the law should apply to him don’t you think?

Laugh.

Posted by: Steve at July 28, 2006 2:20 AM
Comment #171304

“As a Republican, I get sick of being called a fascist by children”
Posted by: Jack at July 27, 2006 05:14 PM

As an adult, I get tired of fascist being called Republicans.

“So swim in the sewer, but remember that most of them enjoying the waters are Democrats”.
Posted by: Jack at July 27, 2006 05:14 PM

Yeah, right ……


Posted by: expatUSA_Indonesia at July 28, 2006 2:45 AM
Comment #171329

The Dems have no reason to believe that ONLY Republicans lie with stupid, idiotic and false accusations.

I heard a commercial yesterday about Congressman Chocola that was insane and ridiculous. It was done by the DNC.

Democrats are EQUALLY guilty of slinging mud.

Would JJ agree?

Posted by: Cliff at July 28, 2006 8:52 AM
Comment #171386

So Republicans want to start pointing fingers at Democrats.

Look, people, the Republicans are MASTERS at this smear game. Clinton, Kerry, Gore… you name ‘em they SMEARED them. Not on issues, but on inuendo and personal failings. The Republicans painted Gore to be a liar, Kerry to be a cheat and a coward (both served in the military on foreign soil in a WAR ZONE!) running against chest thumping, flag wavers who DID NOT!

People like my family fall for this crap. When they bring up issues and I bring up facts about they issues, they immediately turn their argument to ‘flip-flopper’, ‘liar’, ‘tree-hugger’ and the dreaded, most despicable name you can call any politician… ‘liberal’!

Well, we can see where the word games have gotten us… millions of voters who don’t know $h!^ from shinola about issues and who are now wondering just how in the hell we got in the current mess we are in.

Poor &@$^@rd’s don’t really even understand just how big a pile of dog doo we ARE in. The deficit numbers are near incomprehensible to most people, they don’t think that big. The foreign policy situation is much, much worse than the media lets on. Countries like China are getting ready to start abusing our economy like we have Africa’s, South America’s, and the Carribean’s.

I recall Christmas Present’s admonition to Scrooge in “A Christmas Carol”. (paraphrasing here and regarding the fearsome looking children under his coat) This child is Ignorance and this child is Want. Beware them both, but especially beware this boy, Ignorance.

Posted by: LibRick at July 28, 2006 11:07 AM
Comment #171388

“My statement is predictable because you know it is true. “
We know it’s predictable because any remaining Bush fan must have been brainwashed to still believe in that nonsense.
Come to the light! It’s not too late!

Posted by: Dave1 at July 28, 2006 11:12 AM
Comment #171392

LibRick,

Take a breath bro’. The country still has money in the bank, we just need to keep showing the wingers how wrong they were to follow KKKarlDickBush before it’s too late. Keep with the facts, and slowly more will come. Ignorance can’t stand the light.

Posted by: Dave1 at July 28, 2006 11:16 AM
Comment #171407
Until then, just listen to AirAmerica sometime and enjoy.

Duane-o

I do listen to AirAmerica, and AirCon too(or whatever it is called) for that matter. I usually flip between the two while driving. AirAmerica actually talks about the issues. AirCon and it’s round up of Rush Limbaugh & Mark Levin is nothing but liberals this and the left that. Blah, Blah, Blah.

Cliff,

I do agree. Unfortunately, this type of campaigning is becoming the rule instead of the exception. It will only stop when we stop electing people that employ this kind of campaign strategy, Democrats, Republicans, Independents, and Third Parties. Athough, I will say that I think Republicans have mastered this type of campaigning as an art form.

Posted by: JayJay Snow at July 28, 2006 11:55 AM
Comment #171411
The country still has money in the bank,

… sure do … just print more.

We’re going to need a lot more, with the growing $8.4 trillion of National Debt, $12.8 trillion of Social Security Debt, and the $trillions of unfunded Medicare liabilities, and the $450 billion of PBGC debt, etc.

That’s over $22 trillion of debt.
Nationwide debt is $42 trillion.

In 1950 there was $150 billion in circulation.
By 2000, there was $6.9 trillion.
Just print money.
That’s been the solution for 70 years.
Wonder how long that can last?

Posted by: d.a.n at July 28, 2006 12:07 PM
Comment #171418

d.a.n.

You miss the point. We’re not dead yet, but we are being bled dry. We agree that the time to stop the leeching is now.

Posted by: Dave1 at July 28, 2006 12:24 PM
Comment #171425

There is no question that the tactics mentioned in jayjays post are misleading and wrong. But give me a break if you feel that this practise is limited to 1 party. All parties have these jerk hired guns who come up with these strategies. Its a game of putting out some actual facts that tend to lead your thought process to a negative conclusion that is probably not true but…..you just never know for sure so some people will choose to believe it is true. Sort of like back in the 80’s when democrats kept mentioning Reagans age in the hope that people would believe he was slipping mentally.

Posted by: Carnak at July 28, 2006 12:43 PM
Comment #171426

Miss the point? Huh?

I never said we were dead, and I have always said (essentially) we are being bled dry … a death of a thousand cuts.

Yes, the sooner the better.

But, the petty partisan warfare is getting in the way. But the politicians love it, which is why they fuel the partisan warfare. The bashing Republicans and Democrats is a grand distraction, which (by design) lets both parties take turns using and abusing the voters.

And the voters, seduced into the petty partisan warfare, keep re-electing the very same irresponsible incumbent politicians, over and over.

But don’t worry. I am confident that voters will, some day, remember what they were supposed to be doing all along, always: Stop re-electing irresponsible incumbent politicians.

Unfortunately, that time may be a long time from now, and only after something occurs to motivate voters to take interest. That something will be pain and misery. It is a good teacher. Slow, but effective. Its two steps forward, and 1.999 steps backward.

Posted by: d.a.n at July 28, 2006 12:51 PM
Comment #171428
…There is no question that the tactics mentioned in jayjays post are misleading and wrong. But give me a break if you feel that this practise is limited to 1 party…

See? Progress is difficult as long as voters are stuck in the partisan warfare.

What is funny is that incumbent politicians are so corrupt, we now argue over who is the most corrupt.

Sad.

Posted by: d.a.n at July 28, 2006 12:52 PM
Comment #171439

Both parties smear sometimes, of course. But the Republican Party has made smearing part of its continuous noise machine. The Democrats do not have anything remotely similar to the Swiftboaters, guys who make wild statement that are lies or nasty innuendos to destroy a person’s character.

Posted by: Paul Siegel at July 28, 2006 1:48 PM
Comment #171447

Paul Siegel,

I’m not so certain at all that one party is that much worse than the other. There is a long history of smear campaigns on both sides. There is a long history of irresponsibility by both parties.

We could argue about who is worse, but what’s the point ?

But, politicians on both sides absolutely, positively love the partisan warfare. It’s their best invention yet. That’s why they fuel it, because it is so wonderfully effective at dividing and controlling the voters, to ensure that a majority of voters can never be formed to vote out the irresponsible incumbents, and somehow convince voters (sheep) to return every election, to empower the incumbents to keep doing it !? It is a vicious circle.

The partisan warfare is their favorite detractor (among other commonly used detractors (e.g. race, religion, gender, class, profession, wealth, fear, etc.).

But, no matter what the detractor is, it aims to create a circular pattern to control both the conflict, resolution of differences, and then lead voters into a new cycle of conflicts (often the same detractor (e.g. partisan warfare), or perhaps a different one (e.g. pitting Americans and illegal aliens against each other)).

Whatever the detractor, the goal is to create a circular pattern of thought and behavior to divide the voters, to distract them from more substantive issues being neglected by the incumbent politicians, and prevent the voters that have been seduced into the circular pattern, from ever realizing that they are being manipulated. It is very powerful. I too was once seduced into the circular pattern of the of petty partisan warfare. Parties are not the problem. The incumbment politicians (cheaters) in all parties are half the problem, and the other half of the problem is the larger population of voters that do not realize or believe they are being manipulated, or are all too fond of wallowing in the petty partisan warfare.

Posted by: d.a.n at July 28, 2006 2:35 PM
Comment #171468

JayJay,

Good article. Smear campaigns are hardly the only tool used by the Republicant’s to wage a dishonest campaign:

“Republican leaders are willing to allow the first minimum wage increase in a decade but only if it’s coupled with a cut in future inheritance taxes on multimillion-dollar estates, congressional aides said Friday.”

http://abcnews.go.com/Politics/wireStory?id=2248240&CMP=OTC-RSSFeeds0312

I can see the campaign ads now shouting that Democrats voted against raising the minimum wage. And unfortunately some people are ill informed enough to believe it.

KansasDem

Posted by: KansasDem at July 28, 2006 4:05 PM
Comment #171481

yeah…we need more honest campaigning like at moveon.org. That way we can morph Bush into Hitler than accuse him of chaining black people to the back of his pick-up and drag them around.

Posted by: Brian B at July 28, 2006 4:55 PM
Comment #171483

republicans sure are dirty campaigners.

Posted by: Brian B at July 28, 2006 4:58 PM
Comment #171501

Carnak:

“Sort of like back in the 80’s when Democrats kept mentioning Reagan’s age in the hope that people would believe he was slipping mentally.”

I submit that Reagan couldn’t slip mentally because there was nothing there to begin with.
Nothing from nothing is nothing.

Posted by: Tim Crow at July 28, 2006 6:22 PM
Comment #171535

KansasDem,

I know, I heard about that. Can these Republican scumbags in Congress go any lower? How these creeps get any support outside the multimillionaire set I will never know. I just don’t get it!

Posted by: JayJay Snow at July 28, 2006 7:11 PM
Comment #171548

“accuse him of chaining black people to the back of his pick-up and drag them around.”

Please provide a link …

Posted by: tony at July 28, 2006 7:39 PM
Comment #171573

There was a time in this country when corrupt politicians were tarred and feathered and ran out of town on a rail.

Perhaps it’s time to reheat the tar and pluck a few chickens!

Posted by: ulysses at July 28, 2006 8:49 PM
Comment #171574

I’ve got a few matches if you need them…

Posted by: tony at July 28, 2006 8:54 PM
Comment #171596

Looks like a smear campaign going on now.

Posted by: KAP at July 28, 2006 10:14 PM
Comment #171597

and none of you are running for anything

Posted by: KAP at July 28, 2006 10:15 PM
Comment #171618

—-tony—-Looks likes the spinmiesters are out,
Some of them may be contagious with a new type
of virus, handle with care! yuk yuk yuk (

Posted by: DAVID at July 28, 2006 11:01 PM
Comment #171684

tony, here’s the link to the NAACP 2000 ad. It was the NAACP, and not moveon.org like I thought. Good thing dems don’t have any links as bad as the swifty’s who served along side Kerry, huh.

http://www.mediaresearch.org/cyberalerts/2006/cyb20060721.asp

Posted by: Brian B at July 29, 2006 9:24 AM
Comment #171685

This was the James Byrd incident. Just trying to help your selective memory

Posted by: Brian B at July 29, 2006 9:28 AM
Comment #171812

“Good thing dems don’t have any links as bad as the swifty’s who served along side Kerry, huh.”

Well I think it does equate hate to a particular side of this argument.

Posted by: tony at July 29, 2006 3:19 PM
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