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Why Do They Hate Us?

They call us servants of Satan. They criticize us as evil atheists and secular humanists. They taunt us as horrible heretics. They devote a great deal of time and rhetoric letting us know how much they hate us. Why do they hate us so? Why? Why?

The terrorists? No. The conservatives. Why do they hate us liberals? Why do they call us names such as communists and socialists? Why do they use the word "liberal" as though it were a synonym for "criminal"? Why do they accuse us of not wanting to fight terrorists? This makes no sense, since all Americans - liberal, conservatives and indedpendents - were attacked on 9/11. Why do they go so far as to call all liberals traitors? Why?

Why are conservatives so filled with hate? They don't find fault with liberals occasionally; they do it all the time. Even today, when conservatives possess all the political power vehicles, they seek and sometimes manufacture opportunities just for the purpose of throwing invective at liberals. Whenever someone, who may even be a moderate, disagrees with them, they call him or her a "liberal" - evidently the worst epithet they can find. Why? Why do they go so far as to label the media, which includes organizations from the far left to the middle and far right, as the "liberal media"?

The degree of hate for liberals by conservatives is extraordinary. Hate drives all their thoughts, so much so, that they transpose their viewpoint on liberals and claim liberals hate Bush. Liberals don't hate Bush; they hate his policies. Why do conservatives hate us liberals so?

I have been trying to figure out why this tremendous hate. Here are some reasons I've come up with to-date:

  • CONSERVATIVES ARE COMPETITIVE - Highly competitive people like to show that they are right and others wrong. They get a kick out of knocking the other fellow down and being labeled as winner. It's easier to denigrate another when you hate him

  • CONSERVATIVES ARE A MINORITY - Current-day conservatives favor the small but powerful Big Business sector, as opposed to the big and powerless little-guy sector. To prevent the little guy from joining the liberals, conservatives viciously attack liberals. At the very least, the little guy is confused. He is then easily swayed by so-called "moral values"

  • CONSERVATIVES HAVE NO NEW IDEAS - Except for legislation that benefits Big Business, conservatives have no ideas. Their favorite phrase is "stay the course." If you have no ideas of your own to discuss, you pick a fight with ... who else? ... liberals

  • CONSERVATIVES WORRY THAT LIBERALS ARE RIGHT - Conservatives can see that the Bush has botched the "war on terror," destroyed goodwill for America around the world, reduced our freedoms here at home and built a shiny golden economy for the rich and a rusty iron economy for the non-rich. Throwing in some hate is a good way to change the subject

  • HATEFUL MESSAGES WORK - Conservatives and Republicans have used hateful messages in all recent campaigns against liberals and Democrats. The hate messages have worked brilliantly
Yes, conservatives hate liberals for many reasons. But even those level-headed conservatives who do not hate liberals feel hate is a great tool to keep liberals down and for conservatives to win election campaigns. It has worked before. It should work again.

This is where conservatives are wrong. They have gone too far with this hatred. The eyes of the people have been opened. They are beginning to see through this hateful technique of dividing one group from another, mounting emotional attack after emotional attack upon dissidents, on keeping the people as polarized as possible.

People are beginning to realize that we can't win a war with Al Qaeda if we are warring amongst ourselves. We can't improve America if we spread hate between conservatives and liberals. To make America strong we should adopt the language of love, not hate. Definitely, conservatives and liberals should argue with each other - but respectfully. None of us has the truth and each of us deserves to be heard.

One way to cut out the hateful messages is to not use them yourself. A better way is to discuss issues rationally and with little emotion. Avoid smears that have no basis in fact.

Follow the liberal approach to politics.

Posted by Paul Siegel at July 17, 2006 6:49 PM
Comments
Comment #168301

I’m afraid that respect is a liberal virtue. always was. Always will be. The conservative virtues include holding on stubbornly, making sure that the liberal quest for the new doesn’t cause us to loose too much of the valuable old. This balance is now all messed up, and dialog seems impossible.

Posted by: RichardG at July 17, 2006 7:11 PM
Comment #168305

Richard, read your post five times without laughing. Come on now…I know your kidding, but the joke is on you ‘cause you actually sound serious! Jim

Posted by: Jim Martin at July 17, 2006 7:33 PM
Comment #168307

I agree with your analysis in that Conservatives are highly competitive people. Of course a liberal might be highly competitive too, but that seems highly speculative at best.

Highly competitive people see life as a zero-sum game. Winner take all. Unfortunately, most of life is not a zero-sum dilemma. It can be more correctly analyzed as something approaching the prisoner’s dilemma game whereby both persons must cooperate in order to avoid a common catastrophe.

At any rate, recent research on game analysis as a way of understanding human behavior is replete with examples of these paradoxes. Maybe, just maybe, conservatives cannot stand the paradox of life and all the seemingly meaningless twists and turns of our existence. Who knows?

It seems to me that a partial explanation for some persons seeing life in black and white terms stems from their attitudes about competition and cooperation. How much indeterminacy are you willing to accept?

Peace, cml

Posted by: cml at July 17, 2006 7:40 PM
Comment #168308

You are getting mixed up between Conservatives and Republicans. Your first two points may be true - Conservatives generally are competetive, and there are remarkably few true Conservatives in America today.

However, to claim that Conservatism supports legislation in favor of big businesses is misleading. Conservatives are opposed to legislation that constricts big businesses, but they aren’t necessarily acting in their favor.

Your last two points are expressly aimed at the Republican Party. Those claims don’t really have any bearing on Conservatism as a political philosophy.

Posted by: Ankur Desai at July 17, 2006 7:44 PM
Comment #168309

I see it the exact opposite and unlike you Im not playing martyr or passive aggressivly putting down the inaccurate short sighted veiw I have of the opposite party in a negative light. I do like some of your descriptive creativity though.

Posted by: Joe at July 17, 2006 7:46 PM
Comment #168312

Absolutes are at the heart of all conflict. Conservatives, esp. Neocons believe that they are the owners of the absolute truth and anyone with an opposing point of view is a liar. Absolutes lead to the feeling of superiority which leads to division and hate.

Why do some Islamic extremists wage jihad? Because they believe that they, and they alone posses the absolute truth. Everyone else is evil and must die. They believe in the absolute of their reward in heaven for their murderous actions.

Others believe that the Islam is nowhere close to the absolute truth, only they have the absolute truth, leading to what is becoming an increasingly hostile Christian Fundamentalist movement here in the U.S. I think some of those absolutist attitudes have made their way into the Conservative Party through that movement.

The only absolute is doubt, and only through doubt can we be unified.

Posted by: JayJay Snowman at July 17, 2006 7:59 PM
Comment #168315

I disagree with your whole premise. Your belief that all conservatives hate you is a character flaw. You have an inferiority complex. You must have conservative friends and family. Do they all really hate you? I have great liberal friends. Aren’t you proud to be a liberal? You should feel great about it. I know I like to describe myself as a conservative.
The reason we think you don’t want to fight terrorists is because all your leaders keep undercutting the current effort by your country to fight said terrorists. When President Clinton got us involved in Bosnia, I was supportive of the effort even though it wasn’t a republican in the White House. Many of the people under the banner of liberal have betrayed their country in my view.
Stop trying to win the last election and get over yourselves.

Posted by: Ed at July 17, 2006 8:08 PM
Comment #168318

Can’t… speak… now… the hate… too strong… Anger building… hatred unstoppable….

…RRRRAAAAARRRRGGGGHHHH!!!!!

Paul,

Conservatives are following the liberal approach to politics, and this is why you think Conservatives hate Liberals.

It is confusing, I know, to separate politics from personal feelings, objections from personal attacks. But it is no more hateful for you to say that Conservatives are filled with hate than it is for me to say that all liberals are wrong. Well, there is one difference, I am usually corrrect.

Posted by: esimonson at July 17, 2006 8:16 PM
Comment #168320

On Stephanopolous on Sunday, even George Will was fed up with the people who call themselves conservatives, and he might know something about it. People who support Bushes are Bushites. It is more of a cult than anything else. Whatever a Bush does is right. Read Kitty Kelly’s The Family for more information, but she was actually way too nice to them:
Here is a family that looks “like ‘The Donna Reed Show,’ and then you see it’s ‘The Sopranos,’ from:

http://dir.salon.com/story/books/int/2004/09/14/kelley/index.html

Posted by: ohrealy at July 17, 2006 8:24 PM
Comment #168321

Paul,

Very good article but IMO you left out one important reason, well it’s not really a reason because it’s not even true. We’re just not Christian enough! Ooooooh, did I say that?

It’s true. I’m an agnostic, if you accept me as a fellow American with individual rights and opinion’s then you’ve gone against god and also against the founders of our Constitution. Or a large part of the Neo-Cons would have you believe that.

We are moving closer and closer to an extremist Theocracy and it was simply easier for the christian right to take over the Republican party than it was to create a new party. Republicans believe that the rich deserve to be rich just because they’re rich. Domionist Theocrats believe that god decides who’s rich and who’s poor.

The Theocrats believe that we’re now involved in a crusade to bring peace to the middle-east. Does anyone remember Bush using the word “crusade” or Bush twice using words like “I spoke to god” or “god spoke to me”?

So, Paul, the answer is, “they hate us because we believe in the Constitution of the United States, and we’re not willing to throw away our principles, we’ve also learned to respect each other regardless of color, religious belief, nationality, sexual orientation and we consider violence only as a last resort”.

Then again, some folks just need to hate. I’ll never totally understand.

KansasDem

Posted by: KansasDem at July 17, 2006 8:25 PM
Comment #168322

Ed
most conservatives thought we had no right to invade a country like Bosnia and Clinton did it to distract the public.

Paul
The right wing often often says that the left hates Bush no matter what. So, They said we loved Clinton no matter what also. I think it works both ways. Unfortunately the right has uncovered the secret of success. It is not what you say it to the vast majority of American people, is how you say it. And being effective is more important than being truthful. It sucks when the right wing does it, but the radical left gave them the idea.

Posted by: 037 at July 17, 2006 8:36 PM
Comment #168324

Conservatives hate liberals because liberals ask questions and advocate tolerant views that force them to see the shades of grey they exclude from their world. This is sad, but understandable. It’s fear. Neo-Cons, however, hate liberals because tolerance and care for their fellow man are values that Jesus espoused and seeing Jesus as a liberal is a threat to the unholy alliance of Big Business and the Moral Majority. That makes liberals the enemy so they should be crushed. Hate for their opponents is their overwhelming value.

Posted by: psiniq at July 17, 2006 8:45 PM
Comment #168326

“It can be more correctly analyzed as something approaching the prisoner’s dilemma game whereby both persons must cooperate in order to avoid a common catastrophe.”

cml,

I can’t quite get my mind around what you’re saying, unless maybe you mean one hard blow deserves another?

KansasDem

Posted by: KansasDem at July 17, 2006 8:55 PM
Comment #168329

The reasons that conservatives hate liberals so much all ties back to moral superiority.

The gay marriage debate has done a good job of casting out the true mindset. Bidstrup outlines it best here.

Pay particular attention to the section about why conservative politics finds gay marriage so deeply threatening. In a nutshell, once a conservative has sacrificed his free will to god, government or both as a moral authority, people who deviate from the scripture of that moral authority and in doing so, prove that nobody gets hurt, and live rich happy lives doing it, call into question the entire belief system established by that authority. There are many levels of internalization that follow, but that is the basic idea.

Eventually, when science proves that humans are not the center of the universe, and that our world was not designed just for humans, the backlash is going to be enormous, mark my word. Simply disagreeing with a conservative might make them angry, proving they live according to lies and false suppositions will earn you complete rage.

They are making some progress however. The recent find of mastodon remains in Michigan has incidentally resulted in 85% of conservative christians now believing that Adam and Eve rode mastodons to church, instead of dinosaurs, which was previously firmly believed. You have to crawl before you can walk.

Posted by: Taylor at July 17, 2006 9:04 PM
Comment #168330

I see other reasons.
The Conservatives are either the “haves” or identify with the “haves”. They view us as wanting to spend their money on people they regard as the failures in a Darwinian thsociety. (Ironic, since the extreme Christians areamong them maintain they do not believe in evolution.) Social Darwinism is a conservative philosophy. So, we are not only thieves, but we are succoring those who have not earned the right to exist.

Our definition of compassion has to do with the right of all to be respected, simply because they are. Conservative compassion is charity for the inferior, and should be given only when it suits the superior group to be magnanimous. And we are challenging their superiority.

In addition, the conservative approach is one which believes in a strong leader who makes the decisions and knows what is right and what is wrong. This is where the Truth comes in. And we argue, discuss, examine, and actually applaud diversity. So, we are weak and changeable. And above all, they revere strength as they define it. It is monolithic, and it does not change with circumstance.

There is an order in their Universe, male and female (no place for varying roles), leader and follower, have and have not, mine and yours, right and wrong. We Liberals dispute the hard and fast categories, our logic sees complexity and denies the clarity of judgement, to them, we are face of Chaos.


Posted by: dana at July 17, 2006 9:04 PM
Comment #168334

“Conservatives are following the liberal approach to politics, and this is why you think Conservatives hate Liberals.”

esimonson,

That’s total BS. Give me one actual example during the past 20 years where a Democratic candidate for President pulled off the kind of personal attacks that the Republican Party is now famous for. To make things worse the RP has now grown proud of such stunts as “Swift-Boating”.

Please, be specific about your claim that, “Conservatives are following the liberal approach to politics”! That statement, on it’s face, is only slightly better than saying, “Liberals suck”.

Where’s the “beef”?

KansasDem

Posted by: KansasDem at July 17, 2006 9:09 PM
Comment #168339

I would like to disagree with nearly every thought that Paul Siegel wrote. Instead, for brevity, two thoughts:

1.) Saying something does not make it true. In fact, I have often found that what some accuse others of surprisingly often characterizes that person him/herself.

2.) How about we create a HALL OF SHAME, with the MOST HATEFUL, BIGGOTED, CLOSED-MINDED writings by anyone?

Personally, I submit Paul Siegel’s post, because I think this is the most extreme I have ever seen, beyond all the Communist, Nazi, KKK, Jihadist, etc. info I have ever read.

While I am sure this exists, I CHALLENGE EVERYONE ON THIS BLOG to post a link to anything more extreme than what Paul wrote.

I think we (ALL Americans and citizens of the World) should try to shame those on any side who so want to mislead, misinform, or unfairly prejudice others.

Though no one’s John Lennon, I IMAGINE…
Conservatives loving Liberals, who are *perceived* as loving (and distancing from those who seem unfair to, or who work against) America, loving Whites as much as other races, and loving personal responsibility as much as passing-the-buck.

I hope/imagine this is the case now. I would love to see this confirmed by all our future words / actions here.

Posted by: Brian at July 17, 2006 9:26 PM
Comment #168341

“I would like to disagree with nearly every thought that Paul Siegel wrote. Instead, for brevity, two thoughts”

Brian,

In other words you can’t find any facts to support your opinion so you just proved what Paul is saying! You simply discredit him because he’s a Democrat, no further need for facts.

I get it.

KansasDem

Posted by: KansasDem at July 17, 2006 9:34 PM
Comment #168344
“Liberals don’t hate Bush; they hate his policies.”

I’m sure he’s feelin’ the love. Please! So we disagree. There are liberals I respect and admire and consider friends, but I still hate their guts. :-)

I think we all use the word ‘hate’ in a competitive fashion. Have you not ever said “I hate the Yankees”, “cowboys”, or “I hate Jeff Gordon”, or “Neil Diamond”? What about “Dick Cheney”? Do you really like him? C’mon, it’s okay - you hate him.

With that said, I think we can agree that this is additional justification that liberals are hypocritical.

Hate,
-GK

Posted by: GK at July 17, 2006 9:41 PM
Comment #168348

A question was asked. i could give many an answer to it but it would serve no purpose. reason; because regardless of the answer i gave would be an unacceptable one to any liberal. so, i’ll just say this.

do as my grandpappy used to tell me, look into the mirror. in other words look at your own posts, the answer you’ll find there if you are as open minded as you say you are.

Posted by: The Griper at July 17, 2006 9:49 PM
Comment #168350

Conservatives hate liberals because all fascist regimes need an adversary. If the terrorist fearmongering doesn’t work then they have the liberals to fall back on. :0)

Posted by: JayJay Snow at July 17, 2006 9:54 PM
Comment #168351
Personally, I submit Paul Siegel’s post, because I think this is the most extreme I have ever seen, beyond all the Communist, Nazi, KKK, Jihadist, etc. info I have ever read.

See Paul Siegel.
See Paul Siegel chuck a bucket of chum into the tank of repugs.

Chew, repugs, chew.


[Well done Paul! ;) ]

Posted by: Taylor at July 17, 2006 9:56 PM
Comment #168353

I hate Republicans, but not conservatives. I hate Republicans because they are either crazy Neo-cons who want an American Theocracy or they are reasonable people who allowed their party to be talen over by said Neo-cons. Either way, I hate those guys. Not “hate” in the “I hate the Yankees” kind of way, but hate in the “I hope and pray for the opportunity to run you down in my car” kind of way.

Posted by: david S at July 17, 2006 10:00 PM
Comment #168359

So, all you liberals get together once a week or so and claim in hateful language that you are the victims of hate.

You don’t see the irony in these things?

I don’t hate liberals. They are a little childish at times, often dogmatic and usually PC, but that is not a reason to hate them. Liberals are not communists. My only complaint is that they are a little too tolerant of communists. Conservatives don’t where Che T-shirts.

You guys can set up your straw man and knock it down. It is not too hard. Nobody will fight back.

BTW - you may have noticed that my prefered weapon is not hate; it is ridicule. But you guys make it too easy sometimes. The problem is, when you write these things you don’t get the joke.

Posted by: Jack at July 17, 2006 10:10 PM
Comment #168361

Taylor:

“Eventually, when science proves that humans are not the center of the universe, and that our world was not designed just for humans, the backlash is going to be enormous, mark my word.”

I don’t know what more science can do to refute such beliefs—we live on a small planet revolving around an average sun, within an average solar system, stuck way out in left field on a relatively average galaxy of 100,000 stars or so. We’re the astronomical equivalent of a town of 200 people in the middle of West Texas, thirty-seven miles from the nearest interstate, with one bowling alley, two movie theaters, two grocery stores and one veternarian and six churches and one burger joint. The hospital is two towns over.

Perhaps the drunken fights we have in our metaphorical little town is that philosophical backlash, or Sartre’s nausea, of which you speak.

Conservatives don’t have a corner on hate, just as liberals don’t have a corner on open-mindedness. One thing I have noticed about conservatives generally speaking—they have a real problem with ambiguity. Of any sort.

That may explain the fear and loathing that governs at least some of their thinking. But, in their defense, they understand a good steak dinner and are certain that Jesus died for their sins—which, usually, are considerable.:-)

Posted by: Tim Crow at July 17, 2006 10:15 PM
Comment #168362

Bush is statistically a bigger social spender than Clinton.

Liberals say we should use our vast wealth to help those less fortunate. Even though few would argue that Iraqis under Saddam were massively less fortunate, liberals hate the fact that we’re in Iraq. (Yes many Iraqis have died and will continue to do so over the next couple/few years. How many would’ve died under Saddam and his rape room sons over the next 40 years? How many would’ve led insanely repressed lives?)

So do liberals actually not want to help those less fortunate? Many liberals do, but they hate Bush so much they refuse to see they have one of the most liberal Republican presidents possible. GWB view on immigration: Amnesty and eventual citizenship for illegals is an incredibly liberal idea.

Yet the Bush analogies to Hitler continue in mass droves, even from educated liberals. How does one explain this phenomena? Hate! Pure, unadulterated hate.

Have your party look in the mirror before you play the “hate-bait” game. As long as I’ve been alive I’ve heard top democrats tell the whole world that republicans hate old and poor people. Would you now like me to tell you how you feel?

Posted by: Ken Strong at July 17, 2006 10:16 PM
Comment #168364

As a proud liberal, I really don’t give a rat’s ass if conservatives hate me or my beliefs. Which by the way I do not believe that true conservatives hate liberals. Nor, do I believe that liberals hate real conservatives. The problem child seems to be the Neocon.

Posted by: JayJay Snow at July 17, 2006 10:20 PM
Comment #168366

Ken:

“(liberals)…they hate Bush so much they refuse to see they have one of the most liberal Republican presidents possible.”

If this administration is the “most liberal” that Republicans can come up with (and I think you’re right, by the way), a truly conservative Republican, by your standards, will give the US it’s second civil war.

Posted by: Tim Crow at July 17, 2006 10:26 PM
Comment #168368

Kansas Dem wrote, “…you can’t find any facts to support your opinion so you just proved what Paul is saying! You simply discredit him because he’s a Democrat, no further need for facts.”

I did say I disagree with ~almost everything … beginning with his first words, “Conservatives call Liberals Servants of Satan”: Where is heaven’s name have you ever seen this … and in so many places to make this the vanguard claim??? And, though later, how about the laughable, “Hate drives all their thoughts”.

“Hate drives all Conservative thoughts”!!?? This seems beyond Joseph Goebbels … and you really think that no one could intelligently disagree with this???

…or did you find what I wrote somehow offensive since I suggested you like should America, White and personal responsibility, or that Liberals & Conservatives should like each other?


I stand by my claim: “I CHALLENGE EVERYONE ON THIS BLOG to post a link to anything more extreme [HATEFUL, BIGGOTED, CLOSED-MINDED] than what Paul wrote.”

If you think every comment by Paul is so level-headed, can you please refer me to ~20 more-bigoted URLs.

Can anyone find even one document that is worse??

And again:

Though no one’s John Lennon, I IMAGINE…
Conservatives loving Liberals, who are *perceived* as loving (and distancing from those who seem unfair to, or who work against) America as much as other countries, loving Whites as much as other races, and loving personal responsibility as much as passing-the-buck.

I hope/imagine this is the case now. I would love to see this confirmed by all our future words / actions here.

Posted by: Brian at July 17, 2006 10:27 PM
Comment #168371
Yes many Iraqis have died and will continue to do so over the next couple/few years. How many would’ve died under Saddam and his rape room sons over the next 40 years? How many would’ve led insanely repressed lives?

Ken,

Yeah, it just isn’t like it was in the good ol’ days. Back then repressed people fought for their own freedom. They didn’t wait for the Texan cowboy to ride in and do it for them.

Posted by: JayJay Snowman at July 17, 2006 10:30 PM
Comment #168373
Would you now like me to tell you how you feel?

No thanks, I get that enough from the Fundy Christians.

Posted by: JayJay Snow at July 17, 2006 10:34 PM
Comment #168374

I’ve enjoyed reading these comments.

It’s simple… We are different (I am talking about liberals and conservatives). Throughout life, our morals are created depending on the environment we grow up in and experiences we are exposed to (roughly speaking). Chances are, if you are born in a geographic area that overwhelmingly supports a specific religion, you will most likely grow up supporting that religion and your morals will derive from that. This is not always the case, but I think it is safe to say that it is the case, for the most part. Without intentionally stereotyping, I will say that conservatives are commonly Christian fundamentalists. Liberals are commonly range from Catholic/other to agnostic. Agnostics are viewed by conservatives as bad people. So, having said this, I think an interesting question is - how are we so different? I think the answer is that we grow up in very different conditions. So, how does this relate to politics?

My answer: Over time, our religious beliefs change because of science and education. If we plotted it all out on a timeline and noted the changes in religious beliefs and scientific discovery every hundred years, you would see that religions beliefs change with scientific discovery. Their relationship is under-rated. For example, polytheism used to be accepted, as well as the earth being flat. We used to think that God was at fault for everything. Science has unequivocally proven many of those things to be false, as well as many, many others. So, it is sometimes natural to hold on to beliefs. I thing that conservatives somehow hold on extremely hard to ‘old fashioned’ beliefs. They don’t want to let go in fear of the new. I know this is a major generalization and I apologize, but this is the way I see it. Liberals seem to welcome change, as it is exciting. In short, and a major generalization is that, liberals welcome science and change and conservatives value traditional ‘old fashioned’ ways of thinking and do not want to accept science’s breakthroughs because they feel it challenges their beliefs, when in reality it should not. The proof for this is the debate on ID. This should never have happened in this day and age with our vast knowledge that opposes it. There is no debate in the scientific community, but fundamentalists unfairly create one for their own motives and if that is not enough, unfairly accuse liberals of being anti-religious. Religion and science is a major wedge issue that is often terribly underrated. It will continue to play a part in political elections.

-Trent

Posted by: Trent at July 17, 2006 10:36 PM
Comment #168378
I stand by my claim: “I CHALLENGE EVERYONE ON THIS BLOG to post a link to anything more extreme [HATEFUL, BIGGOTED, CLOSED-MINDED] than what Paul wrote.”

If you think every comment by Paul is so level-headed, can you please refer me to ~20 more-bigoted URLs.

Brian,

Sure, I can refer you to more than 20!

Posted by: JayJay Snow at July 17, 2006 10:42 PM
Comment #168385

Trent,

Good analysis. I agree that liberals always like to see progress, hence the tag progressives. I think that liberals are actually more critical than conservatives, who seem to be reactionaries.

Liberals have become frustrated at what we see as a lack of progress. Lack of progress in Iraq, lack of progress in capturing OBL, lack of progress in cleaning up and rebuilding N.O., lack of progress in technology and innovation (ie, stem cell research, alternative fuels), lack of progress for the middle class, etc.

Conservatives react poorly to this criticism. Maybe because liberals have not conveyed their criticism in a constructive way, or maybe they just don’t handle criticism well. At any rate, in general I would not say that any of this is true hate. Frustration, yes. Hate, no.

Of course, this is a generalization and does not apply to all liberals or conservatives. Some Conservatives do hate liberals, and some liberals hate conservatives. But on the whole I would say that just isn’t true.

Posted by: JayJay Snow at July 17, 2006 11:09 PM
Comment #168386

I have enjoyed reading all the post where the liberals pat each other on the back saying how good and kind they are. How they are superior to conservatives in everyway and how horrible conservatives are and how hateful they are. In fact I bet there are pictures or movies of conservatives running babies through with a bayonet. I mean conservatives are truely evil and hateful.

Again I am glad you see me that way thanks.

Posted by: Randall Jeremiah at July 17, 2006 11:11 PM
Comment #168388

LiberalsConservatives absolutely serve Satan - anti-freedom, pro-death penalty, pro-poverty, pro-suffering etc…
LiberalsConservatives are evil theists - pushing God out of into every part of American culture at any cost
LiberalsConservatives are religious fanatics - you worship unproven myths and hate the tangible, significant achievements of mankind.
LiberalsConservatives are true heretics - you use the Word of God by twisting and changing it to justify your own conveniences and comforts instead of being convicted by them.

Posted by: Taylor at July 17, 2006 11:17 PM
Comment #168389

Brian,

It seems as though now you’re crying out “foul” while pointing at me, but it was “you” that said, “Personally, I submit Paul Siegel’s post, because I think this is the most extreme I have ever seen, beyond all the Communist, Nazi, KKK, Jihadist, etc. info I have ever read.”

Well, I’ve disagreed with Paul. Vehemently so at times, but if you take even one moment to check out his website you couldn’t possibly compare him to any of the names you just “spewed” out of anger. You just proved Paul’s point.

Like it or not, that’s the way it is.

KansasDem

PS: you said:
“While I am sure this exists, I CHALLENGE EVERYONE ON THIS BLOG to post a link to anything more extreme than what Paul wrote.”

Well, I hope you have a lot of time, here’s an op-ed peice with enough links to keep you busy for a few days:
http://www.huffingtonpost.com/dave-johnson/the-swiftboaters-are-back_b_25223.html


Posted by: KansasDem at July 17, 2006 11:25 PM
Comment #168392

coonyjay,

Liberals absolutely serve Satan - pro abortion, euthanasia, homosexuality etc…

  • You may see it that way, but liberals see it as free will, dignity, equality

Liberals are evil atheists - pushing God out of every part of American culture at any cost

  • Every part of American culture, or every part of government?

Liberals are secular humanists - you worhsip the creation and hate the Creator.

  • This liberal is Gnostic, I worship the Creator and hate the creation.

Liberals are true heretics - you use the Word of God by twisting and changing it to justify your sins instead of being convicted by them.

  • No, we don’t twist or change it, we seek out the truth, just as the Bible advocates.

    “Ask and it will be given to you; seek and you will find; knock and the door will be opened to you. For everyone who asks receives; he who seeks finds; and to him who knocks, the door will be opened.” ~Matthew 7:7-8

Posted by: JayJay Snow at July 17, 2006 11:27 PM
Comment #168395

I think most liberals miss the main conservative focus. Big business low or no finacial risk and monopilistic tendancies is conserative. Risk taking, job creation competive business is liberial.

Posted by: dave at July 17, 2006 11:34 PM
Comment #168396
I have enjoyed reading all the post where the liberals pat each other on the back saying how good and kind they are. How they are superior to conservatives in everyway and how horrible conservatives are and how hateful they are. In fact I bet there are pictures or movies of conservatives running babies through with a bayonet. I mean conservatives are truely evil and hateful.

Again I am glad you see me that way thanks.

Randall Jeremiah,

You probably enjoyed it as much as I enjoy posts like coonjays. Who wouldn’t like being called a Godless baby killer, who is going to hell becuase of the way God (whom, I am told, I hate) made me!

Posted by: JayJay Snowman at July 17, 2006 11:35 PM
Comment #168397

Paul:

Like the head of your party said:

I hate the Republicans and everything they stand for,

The head of your party admits he hates.

In the words of Jesus, please take the log out of your own eye so you can look to see the speck in your neighbors eye.

Another way of saying the same thing is that people who live in glass houses shouldn’t throw stones.

Why do liberals hate so much?

Craig


Posted by: Craig Holmes at July 17, 2006 11:35 PM
Comment #168398

coonyjay,

Where, exactly did I make up a lie?

RJ,

Apparently, I am an angry liar now too.

Posted by: JayJay Snow at July 17, 2006 11:36 PM
Comment #168399
Who wouldn’t like being called a Godless baby killer, who is going to hell becuase of the way God (whom, I am told, I hate) made me!

They also think all liberals are anti-2nd amendment, which shows how myopic conservatism has become. I reckon they may have a surprise comin in the next civil war. But it might be better keep that element of surprise our little liberal secret. ;)

Posted by: Taylor at July 17, 2006 11:39 PM
Comment #168400

“With that said, I think we can agree that this is additional justification that liberals are hypocritical.”

GK,

You can assume that but you’ll be wrong just like George Bush is usually wrong. I can’t say I’ve never been hypocritical or that any American Democratic Politician has not been hypocritical but I can tell you that the recent bunch of Republicans are liars, cheats, and not anyone I’d trust in my home. They’re the type you’d keep an eye on if they had to use the head just to be sure they didn’t run off with the family jewels.

KansasDem

PS: Brief Q & A: why are we behind France, Italy, and England getting Americans out of Lebanon?

My answer: because Bush and Co. are all incompetent!

Posted by: KansasDem at July 17, 2006 11:40 PM
Comment #168403

As someone who holds both conservative and liberal views, I want to assure Paul that I don’t hate him or other liberals. However, I am certain that humility is not his strong suit. It must be hard to walk among the common man being such a paragon of compassion, tolerance and understanding.

I am concerned that as Paul and the other sainted liberals walk about enjoying their superiority, they will fall off either their soapboxes or their pedestals and hurt themselves, depriving us inferior specimens of their wisdom.

Hopefully they will land on their giant beds of hypocrisy and slip in self-satisfied slumber.

BTW, that was a good one about libs not hating Bush. Paul must have a cart to carry his giant brass balls around with him.

Posted by: goodkingned at July 17, 2006 11:49 PM
Comment #168404

KansasDem,

Bush is willing to get Americans out of Lebanon, just as soon as your credit application is approved.

The Department of State reminds American citizens that the U.S. government does not provide no-cost transportation but does have the authority to provide repatriation loans to those in financial need. For the portion of your trip directly handled by the U.S. Government we will ask you to sign a promissory note and we will bill you at a later date. In a subsequent message, when we have specific details about the transporation arrangments, we will inform you about the costs you will incur. We will also work with commercial aircraft to ensure that they have adequate flights to help you depart Cyprus and connect to your final destination.

$300 billion for Bush’s war in Iraq, zippo for Americans in harm’s way. Who is this guy really working for? Or is he really this incompetent?

Posted by: JayJay Snow at July 17, 2006 11:51 PM
Comment #168407

“Killing someone because they are too old to be “useful” somehow equals dignity.”

Coonyjay,

My only use is to drain the Social Security & Medicare trust funds. Why don’t ya’ get ol’ Bushy boy to back a new law. Bush could call it the Kevorkian Law. Republicans could run around killing people they decided weren’t worthy of life. Just like the Nazi’s did, only this will be different because god is on your side.

KansasDem

PS: I’m asking my son tomorrow to bring me back one of my guns.

Posted by: KansasDem at July 18, 2006 12:00 AM
Comment #168408

“is he (Bush) really this incompetent?”

JayJay,

Yes!

KansasDem

Posted by: KansasDem at July 18, 2006 12:03 AM
Comment #168410

KansasDem,

And they say Democrats have no plan to save Social Security! :0)

Posted by: JayJay Snow at July 18, 2006 12:08 AM
Comment #168413

tay-tay:

Needn’t say more. Just another example of the cons prove Paul is right.

KansasDem

Posted by: KansasDem at July 18, 2006 12:17 AM
Comment #168415

I’ve been gone for two weeks doing relief work down in New Orleans and this is what I come back to…
This is too ridiculous and silly to even comment on…

Posted by: Cliff at July 18, 2006 12:18 AM
Comment #168416

BTW,
They need all the help they can get down there, I urge all sides to get involved and make a difference.

Posted by: Cliff at July 18, 2006 12:20 AM
Comment #168418

KansasDem,

“Don’t make me angry. You wouldn’t like me angry…”
(That’s not a picture of me by the way.)

“Hatefully Swiftboating?” Did Bush produce those commercials? Hmm. Confabulating are we?

How about blaming Bush for 9/11? My, we have short memories don’t we? It took Ann Coulter to point out the obvious— that the four particular 9/11 widows who were trying to call Bush a murderer for 9/11 were wacked. She was called hateful for that too.

Hatefully yours,
Eric ‘Hateful racist imperialist Republican’ Simonson,
AKA Hegemonic Pundit

(I think I’ll start signing every post like this. It’s fun!)

On the other hand, I do feel somewhat hurt by this entire conversation. Being called hateful is in itself hateful, I would say.

Posted by: hateful eric at July 18, 2006 12:27 AM
Comment #168421

“I am certain that humility is not his (Paul’s)strong suit.”

GKN,

You can’t possibly mean that if you’ve really taken time to read any of Paul’s greater writings from his web-site. Paul is the perfect example of humility and strength combined.

FYI, if you examine your own message you’ll find that you’re actually critiquing Paul’s values rather than his message. I quite often do the same, but I’ve never seen Paul stoop to that level.

Is it possible that Paul’s the better man out of us three? I think so.

KansasDem

Posted by: KansasDem at July 18, 2006 12:34 AM
Comment #168426

Eric, I’ll try to answer your questions:

““Hatefully Swiftboating?” Did Bush produce those commercials? Hmm. Confabulating are we?”

Do you think Kerry did it? Reverse psychology maybe? Remember Bush’s earliest words about Plamegate? IMO he’s more involved than anyone thinks in all the “dirt”.

>>>>>>>>>>

“How about blaming Bush for 9/11? My, we have short memories don’t we?”

My memory is, uh, what was I saying, oh yeah, it’s OK. I remember very well little miss Condi trying to dodge questions before the 9-11 commission. Especially the “so much paperwork crosses the desk we can’t be expected to look at it all” line. Boy, I hope she run’s for office.

>>>>>>>>>>>>>

“It took Ann Coulter to point out the obvious— that the four particular 9/11 widows who were trying to call Bush a murderer for 9/11 were wacked. She was called hateful for that too.”

Oh yeah, that’s a winner! Anna-fo-fanna-danna verbally abusing widows wins conservatives a lot of points. She should visit Walter Reed and kick crutches out from under Democratic war vets. She does it verbally and in print day in and day out.

Are you really angry yet?
KansasDem

Posted by: KansasDem at July 18, 2006 1:02 AM
Comment #168429

“wait till you see the face of true Islamic Fascists.’

Coonyjay,

We may see them sooner than later. Bush & Co. have virtually crippled our Army and National Guard. See if you can find out what happened with the Dubai Ports World thing. Nothing is what happened.

Our President is a dumb ass hick that doesn’t know his ass from a hole in the ground. And he’s not very smart either. But, I’ll bet he can quote the heck out of his Bible.

KansasDem

Posted by: KansasDem at July 18, 2006 1:12 AM
Comment #168431

—Paul Siegel—Your post, hitting some nails on the head, as you can see by the responses. Since 1993 the Republicans imparted by a few of the more crafty of those in control, found that some of the 20 to 30 percent of those had something in common, that something was, they all had an authoritarian complex. with in a very short time these few had all the rest of the Republicans in lock step, which I call control, Case in point, how many Republicans, ever disagreed, with Tom Delay besides Trent Lott an looked what happened to him. Look how they courted, Rush, Hannity, R Murdock, and a long list of others. Then on a weekly they had there weekly meetings where all these decisive an hateful talking points originated an sent to the large media people they had courted, (a false sense of loyalty occurring )where by giving those few control freaks absolute power, This than was transferred directly to pseudo control through various means to embarrassment, belittling, destroying Democratic will. I saw this after the Republicans fussed about the commercial with Flag draped Coffin. Of course the Democrats pulled the commercial. I can’t say if the commercial was good or bad. The Democrats must take control of their own thoughts an views an stick with them or they will be just like another piece of drift wood at sea!

Posted by: DAVID at July 18, 2006 1:20 AM
Comment #168432

Brian,

You asked for a link; here it is.
http://mediamatters.org/items/200508220006

Posted by: ChristianLeft at July 18, 2006 1:29 AM
Comment #168433

—brian- You aren’t playing tricks again are you? (:

Posted by: DAVID at July 18, 2006 1:40 AM
Comment #168434

—KansasDem—Did you see where Ann Coulter got fired
from one an possibly sever other conservative
News Organisations the other day!

Posted by: DAVID at July 18, 2006 1:46 AM
Comment #168436

KansasDem—Don’t you think something is up when
every Republican, over the entire weekend all stated we are close to a 3rd world war. I wonder what they have hidden behind their back with their right hand?

Posted by: DAVID at July 18, 2006 2:00 AM
Comment #168437

Paul: You really stired them up. A little too close to home,apparenly. I wonder how many actually read the last part.I know some pretty decent people that are real conservatives. That is not the same as those in charge now. Goldwater was pro-choice,for example. Real conservatives belive in habeas corpus,the rights of privacy,the dangers of a state religion.What we have now are even beyond fascist. They are monarchist. The have moved quickly past the reactionary stance of the cold war to consolidate the reins of power in the hands of a few heriditary dynastys.This was predictable with the fall of western communism. Sounds delusional,huh? Not if one takes the long view of human history. It has happened to every civilization whether they started as democracies or not. Post-revolution France had the Bonapartes, Rome the ceasers. The tendency is so consistant is seems like a natural phenomana. Our democracy is only 200 and change years old,not long at all in the course of history. I just hope that Americans wake up and again become willing to do battle with our first enemy.
Also Paul,please speak yourself. I do hate the bastards.

Jay Jay: Human conflict actually is fear based. Fear has a way of twisting natural human survival drives out of all proportion.Fear of hunger creates greed,glutony,avarice etc. Fear around natural sexual drives twist into homophobia,rapine,sado-masochism, guilt,virgin worship etc.

The powers that be have used human fears deftly to enlist a cadre of supporters among the ignorant and superstitious. Some are out and out brownshirts. Most are just frightened human beings. Racism,homophobia,religious intolerence are the tools of their trade. I cannot agree with Kansas et al. They are not particularly interested in establishing a theocracy. That is unless it helps them solidify power but they are not true believers. Their goal is power. The Pharoah must have known somewhere deep down that he wasn’t really making the sun come up.


Posted by: BillS at July 18, 2006 2:22 AM
Comment #168438

Wow, so many of you people are so wrong. I consider myself to be very conservative fiscally. I also hold the same values that most republicans hold regarding issues like abortion, same sex marriage, ect… I believe President Bush has done many things right, and I am for the War in Iraq (before you question how much I support the war you should know im going to be a senior in college next year and am in the Army ROTC program). However, do not think that because I, or any other conservative for that matter, hold the same beliefs the GOP says it follows that I am a Bushbot or that all republicans in congress represent me. I think the uncontroled and unprecedented amount of spending that is going on in congress is unforgivable. This congress is creating a debt that my grandchildren will still be trying to repay. I do not solely blame Republicans for this problem though. Democrats are the main supporters of Medicare, Medicaid, and S.S. If these 3 “services” were not on the budget we would have a surplus in the 100’s of billions. I also believe that the War in Iraq is being run in a way that isn’t perfect. Do i have the answer for how it should be run? No. I do believe that if congressmen got their heads out of their asses, and out of the asses of various groups such as the NRA and Planned Parenthood, they would be more capable of finding the right path to end this war as quickly and with as few casualties as possible. Also, when people say that the GOP is the party of hate, they need only look at this thread. Democrats that have posted here have called republicans neocons, President Bush supporters Bushbots. If you are still not convinced democrats spat out hate just as much as republicans do, look on any immiration thread where a republican says he is against amnesty for illegal immigrants. His comment is sure to be followed by someone calling him a racist. Finally, while I believe the republicans are doing a piss poor job as the leading political party, I doubt we would be any better off with a democrat in office.

Posted by: Black_Republican at July 18, 2006 3:04 AM
Comment #168440

This thread shows just how hypocritical democrats really are…

“Why do they hate us liberals? Why do they call us names such as communists and socialists? Why do they use the word “liberal” as though it were a synonym for ‘criminal’?”-Paul
By looking down the thread you see that democrats attack the Republican party JUST AS MUCH IF NOT MORE than Republicans attack Democrats. “What we have now are even beyond fascist. They are monarchist.”-BillS That seems to be a fairly hate filled couple of sentences to me. Just incase you’re not convinced yet, I’ll post a few more of them.

“What we have now are even beyond fascist. They are monarchist.”-BillS

“Neocons believe that they are the owners of the absolute truth and anyone with an opposing point of view is a liar. Absolutes lead to the feeling of superiority which leads to division and hate.

Why do some Islamic extremists wage jihad? Because they believe that they, and they alone posses the absolute truth. Everyone else is evil and must die. They believe in the absolute of their reward in heaven for their murderous actions. “-JayJay Snowman

Yep, the Republican Party is the hateful one, and when democrats compare Republicans to Islamic Extremists they are just taking advantage of their right to free speach. I could go on, but I’m sure you democrats now see that I’m right, but will disagree with me because it would be to inconvenient to admit you’re hypocrites.

Posted by: aq13 at July 18, 2006 3:17 AM
Comment #168458

I come from a lineage of left wing partisans. My mother and grandmother have worked in the democratic causes. And I love them both very, very much. And they love me. But my life experiences (owned a couple small businesses) led me to a different political reality. I am a Reagan conservative (proudly). Please don’t accuse me of hating anyone.

What infuriates me about the left is the tendency to join our enemies than to help the Republicans fight these very same enemies. Examples: NYTimes passing national secuity secrets to Islamo-fascists; Kerry, Harkin. et al meeting/helping the Sandinistas; Kerry, Fonda et al aiding/meeting with Viet Cong/NVA; Whitaker Chambers/Alger Hiss; Rosenbergs and Soviets—the list could go on and on. What is up with that?

Posted by: nikkolai at July 18, 2006 8:26 AM
Comment #168464

I’ve been reading an old book “Rules for Radicals.” It basically gets to the idea of YING and YANG. It’s a balance of opposites… and the more extreme the opposites are, the more extreme their language and actions are - and the 2 sides will always balance each other out over time. During the 60s - radical was equated to liberal, and the word liberal was vitriol. In the 70s, once the progressive/liberal cause took center stage, conservatives went out of favor. In the mid-90s liberals were once again suspect… but I think that the conservatives will again face a down turn shortly.

Are either side evil? No, of course not. Do both sides have extreme people? Yes. And it is these people who are held up as poster children to help vilify the “other” side.

Ann Coulter. Cindy Sheehan. Women with vastly different styles that seem to personify the extreme of either party… and yet neither of them are actually relevant to the operation of our government. But who cares - they are the “bright colored beach ball” while I am trying to teach my kid her numbers. They are impossible to ignore - they are impossible to keep from taking a swipe at. They are disruptive but fun.

We need to get past the concept that WE are GOOD and THEY are EVIL. THEY exist so that WE know who WE are - it’s all about contrast. THEY are the defining line in politics. Without THEM, WE would only have a single choice in politics, which is no choice.

Both sides keep each other in balance - whether in times of mild differences or extreme disagreements.

I would say that we allow the other side to do whatever it is they wish to do - and we can always react to their actions when needed. WE need to focus exclusively on what we want to accomplish. WE need to put the effort into making what WE want happen.

I don’t much care what names the other side call us. “It’s not the names that others call you that matter. It’s the names you answer to.”

Posted by: tony at July 18, 2006 8:57 AM
Comment #168476

As I read the posts I see the prisoner’s dilemma game played over and over. Life is not a zero sum game. If you continue to play it that way, yes, the guy who whacks last wins. Wins what?

As far as Jesus and Christianity, what happened to the Sermon on the Mount? And James admonition to do good in order to show faith? Liberals, some at least, may be cooperatives forced into competitive responses. Bad. No one wins, all lose.

Peace, cml

Posted by: cml at July 18, 2006 9:24 AM
Comment #168481

COONYJAY

A GREAT Troll or the GREATEST Troll?

Posted by: Frankie Bruchis at July 18, 2006 9:50 AM
Comment #168482

Wow - first visit to the D&L posts and I regret it. I assume you perpetually maintain yourselves in high dudgeon about all things conservative. I will boil this entire thread down to this. We don’t hate liberals, we pity you. We empathize with your tortured and dangerous worldview and are glad to protect your right to be wrong.

Posted by: Seminole 6 at July 18, 2006 9:51 AM
Comment #168485

Seminole 6 -

Did you have an actually reason for your post, or did you just drop by for sling a few insults.

“I assume ” - yes, you did.

Posted by: tony at July 18, 2006 10:08 AM
Comment #168486

“Liberals don’t hate Bush; they hate his policies. Why do conservatives hate us liberals so?”

Americans don’t hate liberals, they hate their policies.

Politicians and special interest groups have convinced the people that the “other side” is the real enemy.
By doing that, we fight amongst ourselves and ignore them.

Posted by: kctim at July 18, 2006 10:10 AM
Comment #168490

kctim -

I agree. The people who push most for us to haate each other are the ones who stand to gain the most from that. They want us at each others throats so that we allow them to do what benefits them the most with minimal attention. It also allows them to control us so well. “Look - a liberal!” “Look - a conservative!”

BS

Look - an American.

Posted by: tony at July 18, 2006 10:17 AM
Comment #168494

Did you have an actually reason for your post, or did you just drop by for sling a few insults.

“I assume ” - yes, you did.

Posted by: tony at July 18, 2006 10:08 AM
_________________________________________

Instead of I assume, I see would have been reality Tony. The reason for the post was to say that the premise of “conservatives hate us liberals”, is incorrect.

Posted by: Seminole 6 at July 18, 2006 10:27 AM
Comment #168498

Seminole 6 -

Actually, you assume by a single visit to completely understand what has been posted here over the course of the last year or more? You obviously have seen the TROLLS posting here, but you ignore those comments for some reason… why? You assume to know everything thing discussed here, but ignore the other threads with more topical discussions, and instead pick put this thread. I wonder why.

I agree that most conservatives don’t hate liberals, and most of either have little understanding or empathy for those who see things differently. I see that you do not hate liberals, but I also see that you think that we are wrong about … everything? Do you think one way of thinking is more intelligent than the other?

Posted by: tony at July 18, 2006 10:37 AM
Comment #168502

The answer to this question is frighteningly simple. Read Orwell’s 1984. The “conservative” movement lead by the Bush’s is very close to the “Big Brother” presented by Orwell. If you remember in 1984 the nation was always at war with “Oceana.” Very reminiscent of a never ending war with terrorism. By not demonizing the terrorist enemy the “conservative” is rescuing us from the “liberal opposition” undermines the fear that empowers the movement. Therefore they must associate those who disagree with them with the enemy.

We live in a fearocracy that is empowered by those who have taken armagedon theology and used it to empower themselves. It could be argued that the “conservative ministers” that reinforce this notion are the false prophets leading the people astray mentioned in Revelations. But thats another story…

Posted by: Bill at July 18, 2006 10:46 AM
Comment #168504

I had to respond to one post I hadn’t read when I previously posted.

What infuriates me about the left is the tendency to join our enemies than to help the Republicans fight these very same enemies. Examples: NYTimes passing national secuity secrets to Islamo-fascists; Kerry, Harkin. et al meeting/helping the Sandinistas; Kerry, Fonda et al aiding/meeting with Viet Cong/NVA; Whitaker Chambers/Alger Hiss; Rosenbergs and Soviets—the list could go on and on. What is up with that?

The Right is not without it’s traitors. The prime example is Oliver North who thought selling weapons to the Iranians who were responsible for the death of 240 Marines in Beirut was “neat idea” or George Bush Sr. who as CIA Director thought that a drug dealing Panamanian dictator was a good guy, or maybe someone who exposes a sworn CIA officer for political gain might be a traitor…

Look into your hero’s before you leap…

Posted by: Bill at July 18, 2006 10:54 AM
Comment #168511

Seminole 6,
I’ve been on WB for a while and your assumption is correct. The lefties do keep themselves in high dudgeon about all things conservative.
The most consistent theme in the liberal posts is that liberals are enlightened avatars who will save the world from the evil conservatives.
We are evil, ignorant brutes who want the world to become a filthy, polluted, uninhabitable rock right after we establish a totalitarian theocracy. If not for the angelic, enlightened wisdom of the liberals we would gleefully destroy the world.
It’s entertaining to read their fantasies. The tragedy is that they believe them.
They’re really thinskinned and self righteous, too.

Posted by: traveller at July 18, 2006 11:29 AM
Comment #168523

—Bill- Thanks, good response!

Posted by: DAVID at July 18, 2006 11:56 AM
Comment #168525

From an article in Variety: “Modern communication isn’t about truth, it’s about a resonant narrative,” says Eric Dezenhall, a former Reagan administration aide and now president of his own crisis management firm. “The myth of PR is that you will educate and inform people. No. The public wants to be told in a story who to like and who to hate.”

This is the way Republicans (Neocons) think — and whatever works, it’s great to them. They’ll always go with the lies and smears — after all, they think people are so damn stupid, they can be manipulated indefinitely, and besides, it really does seem to be working like a charm.
Undercutting the middle class, outsourcing their jobs, and making everyone suffer a slow-motion depression? Tell ‘em it’s the greatest economy ever! War for oil, money laundering scheme for Halliburton, Bechtel et al? Tell ‘em it’s the War on Terrorism! Allowing American government to become the puppets of Big Business? Tell ‘em that’s what Jesus wants!
Hey, you want to see their bible? This is actually their bible.

If Liberals are to combat these Lee Atwater/Karl Rove/David Horowitz cut-throat tactics of endless lying and smearing, of always accusing us of what they themselves are actually doing, sadly and unfortunately we may have to get as low-down and dirty as they’ve become (since the Clinton years). Let’s face it, swiftboating is now their stock-in-trade, so we may find we actually have to start using some of their own truly vicious techniques against them — and then see how they like it.

Hopefully we’ll be able to do this by simply telling the Truth about them, rather than make ourselves into the kind of liars that they are. For instance, were you aware that Republicans have run ads on Spanish Radio blaming Democrats for their own immigration legislation? It’s True.
Why are we not using this against them, huh? Democrats should be telling the entire country about this with national ads on television and radio. We may not be as rich as they are, but clearly our money isn’t being spent the right way. After all they aren’t about to stop “going negative” because it’s been working so well for them, so why are Democrats still treating them with kid gloves of respect?
In my opinion, if we started using their own vicious tactics both nationally, and locally, they’d soon have to search for another way to try to win their elections. It’s just like a bully on the playground. They’ll keep it up only as long as you don’t fight back, but as soon as you start directing heavy sarcasm and total disrespect at them the way they do you, or make a tight fist and hit them back as hard as you can, they immediately start crying.

We’ve got more than enough ammunition folks, clearly we need to start using it — ruthlessly.

Posted by: Adrienne at July 18, 2006 12:01 PM
Comment #168526

I agree with you 99.9%…dunno about not hating Bush though. I can’t watch TV news because seeing him or hearing about him makes my blood boil. I can’t like a man that wraps himself in the flag while simultaneously shredding the Constitution that constitutes what the same flag represents.

I call them Cons, because they are Con-Artists.

The Cons will lose in the end and they know it. Evolution is not stopped by petty, hateful politics.

Americans demand a happy ending and the Cons cannot provide that…ever(unless happiness = facism)!!!

Posted by: Peter at July 18, 2006 12:11 PM
Comment #168533

“I think this is the most extreme I have ever seen, beyond all the Communist, Nazi, KKK, Jihadist, etc. info I have ever read.”

What a GIANT load of manure!!!
Or maybe this guy just doesn’t read much, because he obviously doesn’t know from extreme?
Maybe he should try Powerline sometime.
Or Mistress Coultergeist. Her entire career is comprised of lies and hatespeak.
There is a whole ass-load of these kinds of articles on right-wing websites, but I guess he doesn’t read them. Yeah, it’s got to simply be a whole lot easier to just log onto all kinds of Liberal websites and claim that everything you read is just the WORST thing you’ve ever heard!!!

Also, I guess he doesn’t realize that Neocons are more than willing to sharpen their claws upon their own “fellow” Republicans — whenever they’re perceived as being either too bi-partisan, or too conservative (in the sensible sense of that word).

Posted by: Adrienne at July 18, 2006 12:15 PM
Comment #168535

Paul - Here is my take on why Conservatives hate Liberals. I think their are to key reasons:

1. Conservatives need enimies. Conservatism will die without an enemy. I would go as far as to say they almost cherish their enemies. First it was athiestic communism, to social progressiveness (The Clintons was a symbol of what they hated)and now Islamic terrorists. Enemies gives them a sense of moral purpose and clarity.

2. Authority - Conservatives cherish authority, unity, traditon and structure. “Traditional Family Values”, “Original Intent of the Founding Fathers”,

Liberals threaten their sense of structure, conformity, morality and authority. Liberals are more open to social change and are not usually blind patriots or engaged in blind faith. More willing to challanage the status quo.

Liberals are hated becasue we have the courage to challange what they percieve as sacred, traditional and they fear us for it.


Posted by: Stefano at July 18, 2006 12:22 PM
Comment #168539

Adrienne:

“We’ve got more than enough ammunition folks, clearly we need to start using it — ruthlessly.”

Perhaps the Democratic party could start by stealing some very important elections, with sloppy, partisan tactics and sheer vitriole and brazen illegalities. Then tell the cons that they lost, and that they’re losers—get over it.:-)

This is an important point though. I have said on more than one occasion to the Conservatives on this blog that underhanded, unexamined and unprotected elections have consequences. How long do you think it will be before unscrupulous Dems get it in their heads to mimick ‘winning’ policies?

A complete, total breakdown in the American citizens confidence in the voting process combined with a lack of confidence that government can be responsive to citizen’s needs and wishes? A total collapse of belief in the legitimacy of government?

Good art needs the willing suspension of disbelief. But government needs to be believed in, and once it loses the confidence of the people, it is in serious trouble.

I think this country is in serious trouble.

Posted by: Tim Crow at July 18, 2006 12:43 PM
Comment #168541

BTW: The first “neo-con” was John F. Kennedy. Read his speeches—then tell me he wasn’t.

Posted by: nikkolai at July 18, 2006 12:46 PM
Comment #168542

“I think this country is in serious trouble.” Funny, that. Which country, pray tell, is stronger or healthier?

Posted by: nikkolai at July 18, 2006 12:49 PM
Comment #168543

2. AuthorityAmerica - Conservatives cherish authority America, unity, traditon and structure. “Traditional Family Values”, “Original Intent of the Founding Fathers”

What a bunch of bastards they are!

Posted by: kctim at July 18, 2006 12:49 PM
Comment #168544

Tim
“I think this country is in serious trouble”

MANY people said the same thing in 1996.
Nobody cared then either!

Posted by: kctim at July 18, 2006 12:53 PM
Comment #168546

Tim:
“I think this country is in serious trouble.”

In my opinion, there is no doubt about that. In practically every way we could be, America is in serious trouble.

Posted by: Adrienne at July 18, 2006 1:11 PM
Comment #168548

—Paul Siegel— Maybe we could start a campaign trying to attract the twenty five million registered Democrats, who don’t vote . What a colossal project
that would be!

Posted by: DAVID at July 18, 2006 1:24 PM
Comment #168551

DAVID -

You might want to consider going door-to-door… it’s really a good time, and it makes a huge difference.

Posted by: tony at July 18, 2006 1:28 PM
Comment #168555

What infuriates me about the left is the tendency to join our enemies than to help the Republicans fight these very same enemies. Examples: NYTimes passing national secuity secrets to Islamo-fascists; Kerry, Harkin. et al meeting/helping the Sandinistas; Kerry, Fonda et al aiding/meeting with Viet Cong/NVA; Whitaker Chambers/Alger Hiss; Rosenbergs and Soviets�€”the list could go on and on. What is up with that?

Bill,

Liberals are NOT against fighting our enemies. Some of us are very frustrated over the lack of progress in the war on terror. We see Iraq as a hinderence to that fight. Iraq is not now nor never was the central front on the war on terror, Iran is/was. Should Saddam Hussein been removed from power, yes. Should we be holding Iraq under colonial occupation, no. Unfortunatly, we have taken it too far and we now have a mess on our hands. OBL, (you know the guy that attacked us on 9/11), is still running free, communicating with his operatives. You can marginalize him, if you want, but it is unbelievable to me that this man has not been brought to justice yet. What is that?

As far as the leak thing goes, I didn’t realize that the leakers had been identified. How do you know they were liberals? Even if they were or they were not, it doesn’t really matter. There needs to be a balance between fighting an enemy abroad, and creating an enemy at home. When the government starts to usurp power that threatens the very foundation of what our country is built on, we need to start wondering what we are fighting for. Our brave soldiers fight and die now, as they did in the past, to protect the freedoms we hold dear. When we allow our own government to attack those freedoms, then we are letting our heroes, who fought and died for those freedoms, down. There is always a way to balance national security needs, while still protecting the freedoms of all Americans. To do less is just lazy and dangerous.

Posted by: JayJay Snow at July 18, 2006 1:30 PM
Comment #168556
Maybe we could start a campaign trying to attract the twenty five million registered Democrats, who don’t vote . What a colossal project that would be!

DAVID,

Howard Dean is already trying to do that. I am sure he would appreciate your help. A 50 State Strategy

Posted by: JayJay Snow at July 18, 2006 1:34 PM
Comment #168559

Bill -

Liberals are all for fighting our enemies, but in ways that minimizes the creation of new enemies.

Posted by: tony at July 18, 2006 1:37 PM
Comment #168561

I think the motivating factor that we all operate from is fear. Conservatives have a fear that if we do not give up some of our freedoms, then the government will not be able to protect us from our enemies. Liberals fear that if we give the government an inch they will take a mile. History tends to be on the side of the liberals.

Posted by: JayJay Snow at July 18, 2006 1:52 PM
Comment #168562

JayJay,

My post on coservative traitors, like Ollie North, former Republican candidate for Senate, was a response to Nikkolai above. We do know that Karl Rove confirmed Valerie Plames employment to conservative columnist Robert Novak. The leakers were not liberals.

In answer to Avatar’s ad hominem attack about Liberals believing that conservatives are “evil, destructive, yada yada yada”, I don’t believe that Republicans/conservatives are evil and want to destroy the earth-It’s just the result of their willfully ignoring reality because it conflicts with their ideological belief. Please note that William Buckley, a conservative columnist I respect has called the invasion of Iraq a failed operation.

http://news.yahoo.com/s/ucwb/oneflagtoohigh

I would argue that the ongoing debacle in Lebanon is another symptom of this administrations failure to recognize reality. If I were more unkind I would think it was due to a milleniast longing for Armegeddon.

Posted by: Bill at July 18, 2006 1:56 PM
Comment #168567

“History tends to be on the side of the liberals”

BS JayJay.
Liberals are just as guilty or moreso when it comes to violating individual rights and freedoms.
To only blame Conservatives is nothing but partisan spin and you know it.

Posted by: kctim at July 18, 2006 2:14 PM
Comment #168568
Examples: NYTimes passing national secuity secrets to Islamo-fascists;

Bill,

That is good and well, but it is statement like this that become frustrating. You blame the NYT for publishing national security secrets, but you don’t mention that it was conservatives who leaked the identity of the director of intelligence on Iran’s nuclear programs. What could be more traitorous than destroying our intelligence program on Iran’s nuclear capabilities?

Posted by: JayJay Snow at July 18, 2006 2:16 PM
Comment #168570

kctim,

I never said that liberals didn’t. That is why the operative word there is “tends”.

Posted by: JayJay Snow at July 18, 2006 2:17 PM
Comment #168573

On a different post I said that I have not yet been called “nazi.” Well, Brian obliged, when he said,

“I think this is the most extreme I have ever seen, beyond all the Communist, Nazi, KKK, Jihadist, etc. info I have ever read.”

Then he asks for examples that are more extreme than what I said. No need to go any further than Brian’s post. If this is not an example of a hateful message, I don’t know what is.

Craig has a comeback. He quotes Howard Dean as saying, “I hate the Republicans and everything they stand for.” So he found a Democrat that is almost as bad, in his eyes. This makes the constant ferocious Republican attacks against liberals OK?

Then Jack says he uses ridicule, not hate. Congratulations. But the big Republican noise machine is based on hate, and sometimes this hate is dished out in the form of ridicule.

Many conservatives did not read my whole message.
Allow me to repeat:

“People are beginning to realize that we can’t win a war with Al Qaeda if we are warring amongst ourselves. We can’t improve America if we spread hate between conservatives and liberals. To make America strong we should adopt the language of love, not hate. Definitely, conservatives and liberals should argue with each other - but respectfully. None of us has the truth and each of us deserves to be heard.”


Posted by: Paul Siegel at July 18, 2006 2:21 PM
Comment #168577

JayJay,

That quote about the NY Times and others was from Nikkolai’s post not mine. I quoted Nikkolai’s slander and responded to him. Please see his 8:26 am post on 7/18.

Posted by: Bill at July 18, 2006 2:29 PM
Comment #168583

Paul:
“To make America strong we should adopt the language of love, not hate. Definitely, conservatives and liberals should argue with each other - but respectfully. None of us has the truth and each of us deserves to be heard.””

Paul, that is a wonderful sentiment, and I wish that it could actually be this way — but the Republicans haven’t been, and aren’t going to suddenly start playing by the rules of polite and respectful political discourse. What they’ve been doing has been working far too well for them to quit now. Therefore, LIES and DIRTY TRICKS must be ruthlessly exposed by us. Swiftboating must be met fearlessly and head-on, and we must then turn around and publically CLOBBER them for setting up such diabolical disinformation networks. We simply CAN”T continue to play nice while they are so dead set on feeding the American public such complete BS.
Truly, they need to begin to FEAR our reaction each and every time they make that kind of an underhanded attempt!

Posted by: Adrienne at July 18, 2006 2:51 PM
Comment #168587

Bill,

“I would argue that the ongoing debacle in Lebanon is another symptom of this administrations failure to recognize reality.”

Are you aware that it is Israel, not the Bush administration, that is punishing the people who have given sanctuary and assistance to the murderers who have been waging war against them?

Posted by: traveller at July 18, 2006 3:01 PM
Comment #168599

Bush is not really the point. The failure here is the failure of the American leadership class. To see the difference look at Bush the elder who as a young man volunteered to be the youngest naval aviator and flew off aircraft carriers a risky business even in peace time. His father was big in Wall Street and senator but he saw an obligation to the country to serve. Compare that with George W Bush who joined the Air National Guard when it was very, very hard to get into it and not just get a job in the motor pool or as a clerk but a jet fighter pilot. I for one do not think Bush is the source of all evil or problems, but in a room of pilot applicants would you pick him?
But George W did go to through the motions to serve. His children do not even do volunteer work at a VA hospital or USO.
I don’t mind the talented, educated, entrepreneurial getting the rewards of society, but I mind them getting a pass from responsibility.
If you check with liberals they may not of agreed with George Bush the elder and teased him, etc. but there was always some respect. Many have said they respected his long service and military service. True he went from being a liberal or moderate Republican in 1980 who was pro choice, pro women’s right, who coined the phrase “voodoo economics” of Reagan’s tax cuts and balance the budget fantasy, but Bush the elder served his country and worked hard and we liberals respected him.
Bush talks tough but honestly what has he done but gotten a pass his whole life? His businesses fail, he gets part ownership of a MLB team (is totally unaware of steroids).
I don’t think all conservative are bad or intolerant. I also don’t think all conservative are inherently tougher, have more common sense or more patriotic than liberals.
Always be wary of thinking that no intelligent, moral person can disagree with you, whether of the right or left. What conservatives forget is that the Democrats and the left except for a tiny pacifists minority never criticized the Afghan war. The case was well made and American interests were clearly at risk.
It seems silly now but I had respect for George W after his speech on the towers ruins and at the UN. I took him at his word in Iraq though I largely had respect for Colin Powell thinking he would never mislead people when American GIs where at risk. Turns out he had doubts all along including the occupation. I never was so cynical as to believe that Bush was this incompetent.
The Republicans control the White House, both houses of Congress, appointed a majority in the Supreme Court yet conservatives are often so angry at the left? Perhaps because they have won and yet they have no one to blame.
Bush took command of a control with no deficits, international respect, the only remaining super power and done what?
To spend years and billons and American lives to make “progress” in Iraq? But never victory.
Bush and the right talk about personal responsibility but who was fired for 911? George Tenett retires with a medal of freedom (a medal?) and Condie Rice goes from national security adviser to Secretary of State and Rummy just keeps playing the same tune in the Pentagon.
The same leadership that has brought GM about to be surpassed by Toyota to be the largest automaker, yet the executives get the big pay checks and the workers the pink slips. Why is it a “Japanese” car made in America by American workers like say the Honda Accord (made in Ohio) is superior to an American car made in America? Leadership.
Thanks for listening to the rant.
Happy trails,
Franco

Posted by: Franco at July 18, 2006 3:37 PM
Comment #168601

Traveller,

Whether we like it or not the perception of the US in the Middle East is inextricably linked to Israel especially since the Bush Admin. is seen as giving Israel complete latitude in their operations. Israel is viewed as our surrogate in the region. In regard to the situation both sides are at fault. The Israeli’s have been pushing the Palestinians with the construction of a wall that relinquishes the Palestinians to the same status as blacks in apartheid South Africa and their refusal to recognize a democratically elected government (regardless of their point of view on Israel,) says we don’t believe in democracy. To say you don’t negotiate with those determined to destroy you is incorrect also, we negotiated treaties with the Soviet Union, and we are negotiating with North Korea now. You negotiate a cease fire now and hope for peace in the long run while maintaining a strong military.-The price of freedom is eternal vigilance.

On the other hand, launching missiles into civilian populations is absolutely wrong also. The Palestinians and Hezbollah are not saints and should not be treated that way. Resolving this situation requires an honest broker that can be seen as being impartial to both parties. That and large subsidies is how we removed Egypt from the picture. Under this administration we can never be seen as impartial and we will continue to see more death and destruction. So much for “Blessed is the Peacemaker”.

Posted by: Bill at July 18, 2006 3:46 PM
Comment #168609

JayJay:

We see Iraq as a hinderence to that fight. Iraq is not now nor never was the central front on the war on terror, Iran is/was. Should Saddam Hussein been removed from power, yes.

I guess I don’t know where you stand on Iraq. Were you in favor of going to war with Iraq or against it? In your comments above, I see both a yes and a no.

You see Iraq as a hindrance to the war on terror, but you wanted Saddam removed. I fail to see how he would have been removed without us invading them. We can speculate about special forces or covert actions or internal coup de tats, but all those were discussed or tried and none of the ideas achieved the goal.

I don’t think you can accurately say you wanted Hussein removed, but that the war was wrong. Its both or none. Unless the desire to have Hussein removed is just an idyllic daydream.

As for Paul’s premise, I’d disagree. I don’t hate liberals. But I think they are often wrong about how to achieve the goal of making America better. I don’t doubt their sincerity—I doubt their ability to achieve the goal.

I also disagree with some of the mindset. A friend of mine (a liberal) believes that credit card companies are evil because they force people into debt. I think people should be responsible, as I am, for not buying things they cannot afford. There are always the few who simply have no alternative, but the vast majority of people in credit card debt have simply used the money they have unwisely. I believe in personal responsibility in those situations. That’s not to say that I think credit card companies should be lauded for their marketing tactics. But neither should they be held accountable for the actions of others. Caveat emptor.

Posted by: joebagodonuts at July 18, 2006 4:23 PM
Comment #168611

Bill,

I apologize, I misunderstood. It looked like it was a part of your post. My comments should have been directed to Nikkolai. Sorry!

Posted by: JayJay Snow at July 18, 2006 4:28 PM
Comment #168622

—Franco—A pleasurable read, with out profanity, or serious name calling, good prospective in my view.

Posted by: DAVIDt at July 18, 2006 4:51 PM
Comment #168625

—Adrienne—I agree with your determination, I was
about post something similar, but I really don’t want to become troll bate. (:

Posted by: DAVID at July 18, 2006 5:06 PM
Comment #168634

David, you and Adrienne run into one little problem with your “its all THEIR fault” beliefs:
The right believes the very same to be true of liberals.
Who’s right and who’s wrong depends solely on ones personal views, facts be damned.

Posted by: kctim at July 18, 2006 5:20 PM
Comment #168641

I don’t hate liberals, I’m afraid of liberals in power. I’m afraid of anyone who wants to take responsibility away from me. I’m responsible for my own and my family’s safety, but most liberals I know want to take my guns away. I’m responsible for my own self on the road but liberal groups want to protect me from myself whether I want them to or not with seat belt and helmet laws. And the list goes on and on.

I don’t hate liberals but I am afraid of them. I was in Vietnam when ms.fonda went to Hanoi and pretended to shoot down American planes. She was and I guess she still is a liberal.

Liberals have lost my trust a long time ago and haven’t done anything to recover it. I don’t hate liberals, I am VERY afraid of them.

Posted by: Tom D. at July 18, 2006 5:31 PM
Comment #168656
I’m afraid of anyone who wants to take responsibility away from me. I’m responsible for my own and my family’s safety, but most liberals I know want to take my guns away. I’m responsible for my own self on the road but liberal groups want to protect me from myself whether I want them to or not with seat belt and helmet laws. And the list goes on and on.

Tom D.,

You are afraid of liberals because you have to wear a seat belt and a helmet? Ok. I suppose then you don’t mind picking up the tab for the medical care that person costs you when they cannot afford to pay or lack insurance?

Besides, the Conservatives don’t want me to take responsibility for my own life. They want to dictate who can and cannot get married. What business is that of theirs? Why is it ok when conservatives want to tell others how to live and what choices they should make? Making someone wear a seatbelt or a helmet is not even close to being as invasive as denying people the right to be who they are.

I am sorry that you judge an entire group of people based on the actions of a few.

Posted by: JayJay Snow at July 18, 2006 6:19 PM
Comment #168665

“Did you see where Ann Coulter got fired
from one an possibly sever other conservative
News Organisations the other day!”

David,

Well, yes, but not “fired” really. I think it was Cedar Rapids, Iowa that dropped her column. I keep watching for the true and final outcome of the plaigarism accusations.

KansasDem

Posted by: KansasDem at July 18, 2006 6:37 PM
Comment #168680

“dunno about not hating Bush though. I can’t watch TV news because seeing him or hearing about him makes my blood boil.”

Peter,

A few months ago I would have said, “I don’t hate Bush, I hate his policies”. Well, I still don’t “hate” the man, but I certainly have no respect for him either. My true opinion of Bush is pretty well summed up here:
http://www.huffingtonpost.com/cenk-uygur/the-ugly-truth-our-presi_b_25257.html

KansasDem

Posted by: KansasDem at July 18, 2006 7:35 PM
Comment #168685

aq13: I did not call Republicans monarchist. I call their leadership monarchist.Read carfully before responding please.

Posted by: BillS at July 18, 2006 8:15 PM
Comment #168686

JayJay,

I don’t care who or what you marry. I sincerely hope you will be happy with your choice. Just don’t expect me to kiss the bride.

“You are afraid of liberals because you have to wear a seat belt and a helmet? Ok. I suppose then you don’t mind picking up the tab for the medical care that person costs you when they cannot afford to pay or lack insurance?”

I don’t mind being responsible for my own medical bills if I am irresponsible as I think everyone should be.

Posted by: Tom D. at July 18, 2006 8:19 PM
Comment #168701

Thank God for Liberals! Other wise we would still be living in the stone ages. We must be progressive in our thinking in order for any positive change to take place. The nice thing about being liberal is that we have the ability to make a conservative decision. Conservatives, on the other hand are to conservative to make a liberal decision even if it’s the right one.
WHERE THE SPIRIT OF THE LORD IS THERE IS LIBERTY!

Posted by: Darby at July 18, 2006 9:29 PM
Comment #168724

Tom D.,

That is awfully good of you. Maybe you can talk to some of your Conservative friends about that, and I will talk to some of my Liberal friends about your right to splatter your brains all over the highway. :0)

Posted by: JayJay Snow at July 18, 2006 10:57 PM
Comment #168730

Please … Are you telling me that the Clinton’s are not competitive control freaks? What about the frickin’ fat, drunk Mr. Kennedy, still sitting on his throne after an enlightening, hit and run murder and … the Clinton’s are no stangers to murder, now are they? You guys really need to face reality! If we are not in control, some other country like N. Korea and Iran will try to be and are trying to be. It is us or them. We have to be in control in order to make sure that we are safe. The prison of freedom we live in is due to a bunch of frickin’ liberals letting every tom, dick and harry come over here and leach off of our system. It is time to stop all that too! They came, they took, they destroyed and now they hide and seek to destroy more, Iranian and Taliban punks galore …. It is a disgrace that this barbaric terrorist regime is even existant in this day and age. I say, seek them out and destroy them … before they destroy us. They are the threat and the ones who make the threats. We are the ones who seek to help those who cannot help themselves. They seek to control for evil not good. God says that you should take control and we have and we will continue to do so … Go Bush! And God bless all those who’s lives have been sacrificed since the birth of America to protect our freedom … may they rest in peace and feel our love.

Posted by: RR at July 18, 2006 11:32 PM
Comment #168733

I am a registered Republican but consider myself a liberal. Not in the way that most people think about liberals. I don’t agree with much of there agenda. That’s what makes me a liberal. I don’t believe in gay marriage or abortion. I also don’t think we should be in Iraq either. Most Republicans care only for the very rich or who ever they think will win them the next election.
Iraq will go down in history as the worst decision ever made by a President.
We should have been more concerned with the real threats to the US instead of diverting our attention in Iraq.
North Korea or how about Ben Laden?

Posted by: Darby at July 18, 2006 11:59 PM
Comment #168734

—RR—Your little tie-rate seems to be on the wrong
side of God, an the far R of the Republican typical,
hit and run with words of love, freedom, god bless all, r.i.p. These tactics are a joke, plus God probably smite you for using his name for attempting
to scam others! :>)

Posted by: DAVID at July 19, 2006 12:04 AM
Comment #168735

==Darby== You prove a very special special point,
That we all have opinions that may very in
some respects, but we can respectfully disagree!
Thanks for your point of view with out hurling
insults at the rest of us.

Posted by: DAVID at July 19, 2006 12:19 AM
Comment #168744

Here’s a very good article: http://breakthelink.org/Loehr.php .

The current people in charge of the Republican party are basically fascists. Fascists always need enemies the public can be made to fear, both internally and externally (say, terrorists, and “liberals”).

That’s why Fox news, Ann Coulter, and other Republican propoganda sources run an ongoing smear campaign against liberals. They can then be seen as the heroic patriotic Americans, defending us against terrorists in the Middle East as well as stopping liberals from destroying America and undermining our values, whatever that means. When the people are distracted by this they can then continue their practice of transfering the power in this country back to the mega-wealthy.

Also, when people say that the GOP is the party of hate, they need only look at this thread. Democrats that have posted here have called republicans neocons, President Bush supporters Bushbots. If you are still not convinced democrats spat out hate just as much as republicans do, look on any immiration thread where a republican says he is against amnesty for illegal immigrants. His comment is sure to be followed by someone calling him a racist. Finally, while I believe the republicans are doing a piss poor job as the leading political party, I doubt we would be any better off with a democrat in office.

Telling the truth isn’t the same as the Republican smear campaigns. (“Neocon” is short for neoconservative, a term that differentiates the current Republicans’ philosophy from traditional conservatives, similar to calling democrats “dems.” Unfortunately there really is a significant portion of the population that doesn’t think for themselves, but just stands by Bush no matter what.)

Also, when a democrat gets really angry, it usually is in response to their smear campaigns or what the GOP has actually done. Republicans don’t have the same excuses. They control the entire US and continue to spread lies, like calling democrats godless, traitors,etc.

Posted by: mark at July 19, 2006 1:10 AM
Comment #168756

Another interesting link, giving examples of fascism in the US:

http://www.oldamericancentury.org/14pts.htm

Posted by: mark at July 19, 2006 2:54 AM
Comment #168758

One more thing, a study showing conservatives are much more likely to follow authoritarianism:

http://oldamericancentury.org/bb/index.php?showtopic=9928
(The original link was broken, this is the article on a private message board).

Posted by: mark at July 19, 2006 3:53 AM
Comment #168794

David,

“I hate Republicans, but not conservatives. I hate Republicans because they are either crazy Neo-cons who want an American Theocracy or they are reasonable people who allowed their party to be talen over by said Neo-cons. Either way, I hate those guys. Not “hate” in the “I hate the Yankees” kind of way, but hate in the “I hope and pray for the opportunity to run you down in my car” kind of way.”

Posted by: david S at July 17, 2006 10:00 PM

I LOVE YOU ! :o)

Posted by: PlayNice at July 19, 2006 10:18 AM
Comment #168797

As to Mr. Siegel’s article, it would be more acurate to transpose the two words, liberal & conservative. Time and again I have seen Liberal Democrats accuse Conservatives of wanting to “murder the poor, starve the elderly, promote war (if memory serves right, Dems were in charge nearly 80% of the time we went to war in the 20th Cen.) and decimate the climate”. Mr. Siegel, who hates who?

Posted by: ron carter at July 19, 2006 10:33 AM
Comment #168807

“Liberal Democrats accuse Conservatives of wanting to “murder the poor, starve the elderly, promote war”

ron carter,

If the shoe fits…..! It’s actually all a matter of Dominionism, the “religous right” believes that the wealthy and privileged are deserving because they’re in the good graces of god, and the poor are simply not deserving of god’s good graces. The neo-cons are hell bent on bankrupting Medicare and Social Security by any means.

KansasDem

Posted by: KansasDem at July 19, 2006 11:37 AM
Comment #168896

—mark—your link sites were a good read, thanks.

Posted by: DAVID at July 19, 2006 4:23 PM
Comment #168900

“The neo-cons are hell bent on bankrupting Medicare and Social Security by any means”

One can only hope for such freedom to come back to America.

Posted by: kctim at July 19, 2006 4:36 PM
Comment #168917

—kctim—What do you neo-cons an what freedoms
left America??

Posted by: DAVID at July 19, 2006 5:15 PM
Comment #168936

“What do you neo-cons an”

Not following this part, sorry.

“what freedoms left America??”

Concerning Medicare and SS? Freedom of choice my friend. The freedom to earn a living and the freedom to use those earning as I wish.
The freedom to live my life as I want in my pursuit of happiness.

Posted by: kctim at July 19, 2006 6:03 PM
Comment #168942

Mark:

Thanks for your links on fascism—a valuable contribution. I downloaded the sermon.

Posted by: Tim Crow at July 19, 2006 6:15 PM
Comment #168948

Mark

Your link shows why it is so easy for conservatives to stay on message, and so difficult for liberals to convey a single, coherent theme. Just follow the leader, and you will be rewarded. Start thinking for yourself and it’s all over for you.

Posted by: Mental Wimp at July 19, 2006 6:37 PM
Comment #169275

Actually conservatives don’t hate liberals, we just think you have a mental disease and should be treated according.

Posted by: Keith at July 20, 2006 8:13 PM
Comment #169387

JayJay—

Here’s an idea for you…try and wrap your brain around this one OK? It might be difficult because it involves that evil idea which all you libs hate so much…personal responsibility!

In response to your discussion with TomD. How about if you go after those people without insurance…if and when they get into an accident or whatever, and leave the rest of us alone? We who ARE responsible enough to have insurance OR pay for it if we don’t…we don’t need laws to make us do the “right” thing!!! Leave us alone.

If TomD wants to splatter his brains all over the highway, what business is that of your’s? They are his brains…he can do what he wants to with them!

If I am driving without a seatbelt and I get into an accident, any injury I incur is my own fault. Hold ME responsible for my own injuries…make me pay my own bills…and leave the rest of the world alone…to wear or not wear. If I wreck someone else’s car and I don’t have insurance…garnish my wages, send me to jail or take me to court…but leave everyone else the hell alone!!
You don’t need to pass some intrusive law for everyone to wear their belt or helmet or buy insurance…just go after the few who screw up and LEAVE THE REST OF US ALONE!!! You starting to see a pattern here??

See how simple that is?
PERSONAL RESPONSIBILITY!!! Two words liberals love to hate!!

DaveR
Responsible for my won screwups…not blaming anyone else.

Posted by: DaveR at July 21, 2006 3:46 AM
Comment #169391

KansasDem

U’r right…our goal is to destroy society…WE ARE FOUND OUT!! Now we will have to change all the codewords and find new secret meeting places…you cracked the conspiracy wide open!!

I don’t know why you think bringing down society and killing poor people is such a bad idea. You guys are so much more with it, being so progressive and all.

I mean, you liberals have it right…it is so much better to kill unborn babies in the womb (before they can vote Republican). And how about that Constitution…why should we even have one? After all, anarchy is so much better. Let’s just let the criminals run the country. Let’s have abortion on demand…and let’s not have any of those pesky morals or values (which could be unjustly imposed on someone) but rather everyone should be allowed to live their own lives without rules to constrict them from hurting others. I mean, all crime is really the victim’s fault anyway. Killer’s and rapists and drug dealers are what they are because Mommy and Daddy didn’t love them enough, or because they are poor and underprivileged and had no choice but become dirtbag criminals. It isn’t their fault, so why hold them responsible?
Oh yeah, let’s not forget those illegals and those blacks in New Orleans and the inner cities. We nasty conservatives are just racists and xenophobes…why should we share what we have? Let them get their own!! Of course, you libs would let them all have amnesty for entering the country illegally, and then hope that they will vote Democrat so you can take even MORE of my money and make the government even bigger and more inefficient than it already is, and spend more money on a failing public education system, a bankrupt social security program, and fraud ridden welfare and unemployment programs that waste millions of taxpayer (excuse me…government) dollars to support ungrateful and lazy voters (ooops sorry…I meant citizens) whose only reason for not working is that they make more on welfare than they could in a job!!

Yep, you guys have it all figured out!! I don’t know why anyone would doubt you…it has worked so well up to now.
50+ years of social programs and handouts…and if you just keep it up for another 50, maybe you can actually wipe out maturity, self-sufficiency, personal responsibility and registered Republicans all at the same time!!!

DaveR

Posted by: DaveR at July 21, 2006 4:15 AM
Comment #169402

Paul

“They call us servants of Satan. They criticize us as evil atheists and secular humanists. They taunt us as horrible heretics. They devote a great deal of time and rhetoric letting us know how much they hate us.”

YOU (libs) call us ignorant. You call us uneducated. You call us rednecks. You criticize us as right wing religious nuts. You devote a great deal of time and rhetoric to letting us know how much more compassionate and open minded YOU are, and how mean and bigoted and racist and sexist and facist WE are.

“Why do they call us names such as communists and socialists?”
Why do YOU call US names such as homophobe, redneck and Repugnuts?

“Why do they use the word liberal as though it were a synonym for criminal?”
Why do libs use the words neo-con and Republican as though they were synonyms for criminal? Goes both ways.

“They don’t find fault with liberals occasionally; they do it all the time.”
And you guys don’t find fault with US all the time? When would that be exactly?

“Even today, when conservatives possess all the political power vehicles, they seek and sometimes manufacture opportunities just for the purpose of throwing invective at liberals.”
Oh I see we just make crap up for no reason, because we don’t have anything better to do. Yeah, whatever!!

“Whenever someone, who may even be a moderate, disagrees with them, they call him or her a “liberal” - evidently the worst epithet they can find. Why?”
Whenever someone, who may even be a moderate, disagrees with YOU, they get labeled as homophobes, racists, bigots, sexists, warmongers, illiterate, uneducated, morons (yes I have seen this one), and many other names… whatever fits the circumstances. Neo-con…the worst epithet YOU can find.

“Why do they go so far as to label the media, which includes organizations from the far left to the middle and far right, as the “liberal media”?”
Because, even though there are some middle and right media outlets, the MAINSTREAM MEDIA…by this I mean television, most of the most well known and prestigious (I use this term hesitantly) newspapers and a large percentage of the news magazines, are undeniably liberal! And as for those outlets more to the right of the spectrum…libs love to trash them or downplay their importance by insisting that they are not “real” but entertainment, or that the reporter/journalist/speaker is biased and (once again) bigoted/homophobe/sexist etcetc.
Doubt me? Look at your fellow liberals treatment of people like Rush Limbaugh and Ann Coulter. And how often does a major news reporter or journalist cite American Spectator or WorldNetDaily, or Ben stein, or Shelby Steele, or David Kupelian…or for that matter even cover the same stories that they cover? Yeah, no liberal bias there!!

“Liberals don’t hate Bush; they hate his policies.”
Oh I see…so when you DON’T hate someone but you hate their policies instead, you call THEM Hitler. What do you call someone whom you DO hate?!

“At the very least, the little guy is confused. He is then easily swayed by so-called moral values.”

Yeah, because all those little guys are dumb, illiterate, uneducated hicks who can’t think for themselves, and so if they claim to support conservative “values” and beliefs, it must be because they were “swayed”. Couldn’t possibly be because they actually believe in those same moral values…Oh No!! Because then they would be brain washed sheep, being led around by the nose. Or maybe they can be swayed by all the “free” stuff you can give them…like welfare and universal health care. Of course that kind of “swaying” is OK, right?
Amazing how you libs think that the only time other people can think for themselves is if they support liberals…but if they support conservatives it is because they were “swayed”.

I have said it before and I will say it again…you guys are so ARROGANT and SELF-RIGHTEOUS…it makes me sick!! Everything you said in your article, applies to you guys too! You aren’t perfect, and you definitely aren’t innocent of mudslinging and name calling.

So the question is…do I hate you? NO, I don’t hate you personally…I just hate your policies!!!! (See how stupid that sounds?)

DaveR

Posted by: DaveR at July 21, 2006 5:26 AM
Comment #169407

KansasDem

And no, we don’t believe that “…the rich deserve to be rich just because they’re rich…” (which in and of itself is a totally asinine statement). We believe that the rich (by and large) deserve to be rich because they WORKED and INVESTED for it. Personally I aspire to be rich…filthy rich. Rich enough that I can hire someone to blog for me while I go out and buzz around on my 4-wheeler, swilling beer and shooting my guns, going fishing in Florida in my $30,000 bass boat that I towed behind my $50,000 Dodge Ram 12 cylinder Hemi pickup with the rifle rack in the back window. That’s how rich I want to be!!

I guess when you say we are trying to turn the country into a “theocracy” (isn’t that the word you and Adrienne seem to like so much) you must be referring to the idea that we should have some moral values that society is based on?

Or is someone making you go to church against you will? WOW!! How exactly are they doing that?

Maybe they (the neo-cons I’m sure) are beaming Pat Robertson into your brain while you sleep!! Or maybe they are praying for you and your health without your permission!! I know! They built a church in your TOWN!! How dare they force religion down your throat by building a CHURCH!!
Or maybe…naw this couldn’t be it… maybe “THEOCRACY” is just one of those big words that liberals like to throw around to make them feel smarter and more educated then the rest of us great unwashed!!

Let me try it

Theocracy…theocracy (am I saying it right…they-o-crak-ee?) WOW!! It works! I do feel smarter!! Damn I wish I had known about that trick years ago!!

Now I feel like my parents neglected me…not teaching me that word and all. Could someone please build my self esteem back up please? Before I go out and rob a 7-11?

DaveR

Posted by: DaveR at July 21, 2006 5:49 AM
Comment #169508

—DaveR— You have very effectively explained your
personal beliefs, even the fact that you are
projecting your real beliefs in this statement,
you are attributing towards others. This is you
right as an American. My main concern is that you
an every other fringe group keep your personal
beliefs out of our public schools, an out of any
parts of Constitutionally controlled Governmental
entities!

Posted by: DAVID at July 21, 2006 1:34 PM
Comment #169644

David

You mean like how the liberals keep THEIR personal beliefs out of the public schools? Oh wait, NO THEY DON’T. Because they insist on teaching the rightness of homosexuality; denying students to pray in the beginning of class or at graduation, or even have a moment of silence; spending time teaching about self esteem instead of reading and math; need I go on?

DaveR

Posted by: DaveR at July 21, 2006 10:58 PM
Comment #169645

David

You mean like how the liberals keep THEIR personal beliefs out of the public schools? Oh wait, NO THEY DON’T. Because they insist on teaching the rightness of homosexuality; denying students to pray in the beginning of class or at graduation, or even have a moment of silence; spending time teaching about self esteem instead of reading and math; need I go on?

DaveR

Posted by: DaveR at July 21, 2006 10:59 PM
Comment #169656
“Why do they go so far as to label the media, which includes organizations from the far left to the middle and far right, as the “liberal media”?” Because, even though there are some middle and right media outlets, the MAINSTREAM MEDIA…by this I mean television, most of the most well known and prestigious (I use this term hesitantly) newspapers and a large percentage of the news magazines, are undeniably liberal! And as for those outlets more to the right of the spectrum…libs love to trash them or downplay their importance by insisting that they are not “real” but entertainment, or that the reporter/journalist/speaker is biased and (once again) bigoted/homophobe/sexist etcetc. Doubt me? Look at your fellow liberals treatment of people like Rush Limbaugh and Ann Coulter…

You lose credibility when you and other conservatives rant about the “liberal media.” It’s a Republican lie that has been refuted. This is the media that no matter what happens, refuses to seriously question George Bush, or what the Republicans have done to this country. It hounded Bill Clinton for lying about a private matter, but lets all or most of Bush’s lies go by unchecked.

Ann Coulter and people like her are pathological liars and hate merchants. They don’t engage in reasonable political debate they just make up lies and smears about people who Republicans disagree with or don’t like. That’s the reason liberals don’t like her, not just because she’s conservative. The left doesn’t have an equivalent to Ann Coulter. I hate to say it but when liberals say negative things about the right, it’s usually much more true than what the right says about the left. For example, many people on the religious right do want to push their views on others and destroy the separation of church and state, and ther have been studies showing Rush Limbaugh fans and Fox News watchers are very misinformed on major issues.

On the other hand, I don’t know of any liberal who wants to surrender to terrorists, or any democrat that is a communist, or who wants to eradicate religion, etc. No one comes close to the current Republican party when it comes to hating your political opponent and smearing those with whom you disagree.

Posted by: mark at July 21, 2006 11:44 PM
Comment #169657

Of course, to be fair, this doesn’t have much to do with true conservative philosophy (as opposed to Republican/neocon ideology). I think the techniques modern Republicans use are more akin to fascism. Fascists need to create an enemy that people can be made to hate and that they can heroically fight against.

In Germany it was the Jews. In modern America it’s the liberals. (I know these are very different situations but it’s a difference of degree, not kind).


http://www.oldamericancentury.org/14pts.htm
http://breakthelink.org/Loehr.php
http://oldamericancentury.org/bb/index.php?showtopic=9928

Posted by: mark at July 21, 2006 11:48 PM
Comment #169668

“I hate to say it but when liberals say negative things about the right, it’s usually much more true than what the right says about the left.”

Proves my point about arrogance…you and your liberal friends honestly believe that what you say is “…much more true…” than what anyone who disagrees with you has to say. You guys really think that you have the monopoly on truth and honesty. Remember Dan Rather and the faked Bush National Guard reports? There’s honesty for you…even after it was proven that the National Guard records were falsified, Dan stuck to his guns, b/c he was too embarassed and arrogant to admit he was wrong and had been motivated by an agenda…to destroy Bush’s credibility.

And since when does lying “…about a private matter…” make it any less a lie? If Bush is to be brought to task for lying, so is Clinton. ANd by the way, the Lewinsky thing wasn’t the only issue he and Hillary lied about. Remember Travelgate…and the accusations from those (many) women who said they were sexually harassed by the (then) Governor of Arkansas (Bill Clinton)? I guess those lies don’t count either. You guys totally ignored the sexual harrassment complaints by those women, but tried to rip Clarence Thomas a new a—hole when Anita Hill claimed sexual harrassment. And by the way…I don’t consider what Bill Clinton did in the Oval Office a “private matter” and I will tell you why. He was the President of the United States, and he screwed an intern in MY OVAL OFFICE!!!! I (and you and every other taxpayer in this country) OWN that house…it belongs to US!! And I don’t appreciate the Pres using it as his personal whorehouse. It is my business, and if he lied about that, what makes you think he didn’t or wouldn’t lie about other stuff?

You guys like to say “Clinton lied and no one died”. I say “Bush lied and we got rid of a vicious, savage, torturing, murdering dictator who murdered thousands of his own people, and his sicko sons who were following in his footsteps”. Clinton got laid…Bush arrested a sicko freak and his wacko sons and freed an entire nation of people from their maniacal leader. Who gave us the better deal? That answer should be obvious.

Oh and by the way…how many times do you guys have to be told? There is no Constitutional seperation of church and state. Read the First Amendment again…it ain’t there. When are you guys gonna get that through your heads?

Posted by: DaveR at July 22, 2006 2:28 AM
Comment #169692

Conservatives hate liberals specificly and all people (except the rich) in general.Simply because conservatives have no idea how to leed a country.But rather only how to critise those who attempt to leed.

Posted by: George at July 22, 2006 8:24 AM
Comment #170076

“Perhaps the Democratic party could start by stealing some very important elections, with sloppy, partisan tactics and sheer vitriole and brazen illegalities.”

Tim Crow,

Well, uh, I think you’re a little late in suggesting that the Democrats do that. I think they called it the “1960 Presidential Election.”

Posted by: Bud at July 23, 2006 10:20 PM
Comment #170078

“Maybe we could start a campaign trying to attract the twenty five million registered Democrats, who don’t vote .”

David,

Perhaps they don’t vote because they can’t stomach what the Democrat Party has come to espouse.

Posted by: Bud at July 23, 2006 10:23 PM
Comment #170079

“Liberals are all for fighting our enemies, but in ways that minimizes the creation of new enemies.”

Tony,

And just what would those “ways” be?

Posted by: Bud at July 23, 2006 10:24 PM
Comment #170081

“Please note that William Buckley, a conservative columnist I respect has called the invasion of Iraq a failed operation.”

Bill,

And you, of course, ALWAYS agree with every utterance of William F. Buckley, Jr.

Posted by: Bud at July 23, 2006 10:26 PM
Comment #170084

“The Republicans control the White House, both houses of Congress, appointed a majority in the Supreme Court”

Franco,

A couple of points:

1. Having control of “both houses of Congress” is not always what it’s cracked up to be, especially with the Senate’s rules that permit idiots such as Daschle/Reid to be such utter obstructionists.

2. Unfortunately, Republican presidents have not done a good job with their Supreme Court appointments, going all the way back to the appointment of Earl Warren by Eisenhower, and continuing through that abomination from New England (Souter?).

Posted by: Bud at July 23, 2006 10:31 PM
Comment #170086

“Most Republicans care only for the very rich”

Darby,

This is so PC and so lame and so incorrect. Check to see how many Democrats in Congress are millionaires, and how many Republicans are.

Posted by: Bud at July 23, 2006 10:33 PM
Comment #170087

“I don’t believe in gay marriage or abortion.”

Darby,

If you don’t believe in gay marriage there is a very simple solution—DON’T PARTICIPATE IN ONE.

Abortion—sometimes I think it’s too bad we can’t have ex-post-facto abortions performed on some of these so-called “pro-choice” people!

Posted by: Bud at July 23, 2006 10:36 PM
Comment #170091

“We must be progressive in our thinking in order for any positive change to take place.”

Darby,

1. Collectivism is not “progressive.”
2. All change is not “positive.”

Posted by: Bud at July 23, 2006 10:38 PM
Comment #170092

“You lose credibility when you and other conservatives rant about the “liberal media.” It’s a Republican lie that has been refuted.”

Mark,

No, it isn’t, and no, it hasn’t.

Posted by: Bud at July 23, 2006 10:40 PM
Comment #170093

“The neo-cons”

KansasDem,

Who in the hell are these “neo-cons” that you PC people have labeled? Me, I was a Goldwater Republican conservative who has progressed to becoming a Libertarian, and have no clue what this “neo-” crap you people keep bitching about. As soon as I see that in any article or post, I move right along to the next one.

Posted by: Bud at July 23, 2006 10:43 PM
Comment #170094

“The current people in charge of the Republican party are basically fascists.”

Mark,

Uh, no, you’ve got it backwards. The DEMOCRAT party has become basically fascist/socialist.

Posted by: Bud at July 23, 2006 10:45 PM
Comment #170096

“Actually conservatives don’t hate liberals, we just think you have a mental disease and should be treated according.”

Keith,

Right on! Never were truer words posted!

Posted by: Bud at July 23, 2006 10:47 PM
Comment #170098

“There is no Constitutional seperation of church and state. Read the First Amendment again…it ain’t there. When are you guys gonna get that through your heads?”

DaveR,

They are NEVER going to get it through their heads, because that judicial rape of the First Amendment is the bedrock of their ongoing war against personal faith and morality in Ameica.

Posted by: Bud at July 23, 2006 10:50 PM
Comment #170100

” “Why do they call us names such as communists and socialists?” …”

DaveR,

Well, I call them names such as “communists” and “socialists” (as well as “fascists”) because…..they are the closest thing we have to those abominations in this country. Seems I read somewhere that the Communist Party had quit running anyone for president because they didn’t need to. The Democrats/liberals were implementing their platform, one plank at a time!

Posted by: Bud at July 23, 2006 10:56 PM
Comment #170101

“Conservatives hate liberals specificly and all people (except the rich) in general.Simply because conservatives have no idea how to leed a country.But rather only how to critise those who attempt to leed.”

George,

Huh?

Posted by: Bud at July 23, 2006 10:59 PM
Comment #170464

i’m sorry, but as long as one can trot right into walmart for a gun to go out and blow a hole in the neck of an unsuspecting herbivore (and not for reasons of survival but for “sport”) then why is abortion any worse? what because they are people? the lives of humans seem to be fairly expendable in this day and age. i dont see how ending the “life” of something without a brain is worse than the reality of running from whatever shot you so they can follow the trail of blood and slit your throat. considering 80% of teenage mothers end up on welfare, imagine how many MORE poor people there would be in this country. can’t we stop arguing and think about the earth for a change. it was here before us and isnt for the taking as some believe. and i am not a vegetarian so dont ask. and dont even get me started on gay marriage… i cant believe ANYONE let alone millions of people think they have the right to take away what should be a right in the first place.

oh wait i know what it is… everyone is too afraid of going to hell because two thousand years ago someone said it was bad and everyone should listen to them.

Posted by: Pia at July 25, 2006 7:39 AM
Comment #178950

Conservatives call liberals communist and socialist because they ARE that way. You hate free speech, freedom OF religion (not FROM religion), and live in a utopian dreamland. Basically liberals want us to throw away our money, get rid of our cars (b/c they hate refineries), and be poor and rely on the power-hungry government. Don’t call us “judgemental” and “closed-minded”…we’re just telling the truth. You’re the ones who are closed-minded; you can dish it out but you sure can’t take it.

Posted by: Mel at September 2, 2006 7:17 PM
Comment #235879

Why i dislike your politics you ask?? Real simple
i been following politics for 27 years and i am real imformed i’m not your typical blue collar uneducated dope who ur party can easy divide by one issue..i’m the person that views ur party as a destructive force in america.im the 45 year old dude thats view you and, people like you as weak and sissified..im the dude that everytime you people get in office taxes go through the roof. i am the guy that seen cities like Philadelphia, NYC, Los Angeles, Detroit, ad infitum run by your machine completely turn them towns into crime dens.I witnessed liberal campaign for abortion rights, welfare system and, and every other nutty domestic program you can come with…I seen how you nutcases enslaved black americans though the welfare programs if you look at you data you will see that most of these black youth today that were born in late 70’s and all though the 80’s that were born into these black families with only one parent and, was allowed to have more kids for more welfare and are the star criminals of toda…Just look at philadelphia.i know i am racist but, the truth..your programs never work, will never work and, people like myself will never accept or tolerate your nonsense..I been saying this for over 25 years just look at the movement of the 60’s and it says one thing about you liberals you love chaos, crime, disorder & irresponsibility.Thats why you want to get religion outta here if worked correctly you held responsible and, libs dont like that….I

Posted by: Ron at October 11, 2007 1:42 PM
Comment #242408

As a person who has recently moved from a blue state to a red state, I would have to say conservatives hate liberals because they are intolerant of anyone who doesn’t think like them. They are highly competitive as you say but I find it very frustrating to debate them when all they want to do is call you names. I think liberals in general don’t want conflict and will always compromise. Liberals want to move on and enjoy life. Conservatives seem to think life IS conflict and are just looking to pick a fight. This is why conservative radio is so successful and liberal radio isn’t. Liberals accept all views and unite while conservatives don’t accept views outside their own and thus divide the country.

Posted by: Dennis at January 6, 2008 5:17 PM
Comment #242736

Liberals are lying pigs who need to go to hell. Republicans/Conservitives are saving your damn lives. Wow the hell are you complaining. Liberals are hypocrites! Lying Hypocrites!
Eat that fags!

Posted by: No Homos! at January 10, 2008 3:08 PM
Comment #242737

Okay! For the Pia fag, you need to go onto
(http://www.priestsforlife.org/resources/photosassorted/) and tell me if that’s right! A human being is getting killed. Abortion is wrong and whoever does it is a little whore who messed around and had sex with a guy. She’s the one who needs to be killed for killing a human. There’s no fuckin difference.

Posted by: No Homos! at January 10, 2008 3:12 PM
Comment #242738

DaveR
“You mean like how the liberals keep THEIR personal beliefs out of the public schools? Oh wait, NO THEY DON’T. Because they insist on teaching the rightness of homosexuality; denying students to pray in the beginning of class or at graduation, or even have a moment of silence; spending time teaching about self esteem instead of reading and math; need I go on?”


Dude, you fuckin rock! This is so true and you should be president someday!

Posted by: No Homos! at January 10, 2008 3:16 PM
Comment #242739

DaveR
“You mean like how the liberals keep THEIR personal beliefs out of the public schools? Oh wait, NO THEY DON’T. Because they insist on teaching the rightness of homosexuality; denying students to pray in the beginning of class or at graduation, or even have a moment of silence; spending time teaching about self esteem instead of reading and math; need I go on?”


Dude, you fuckin rock! This is so true and you should be president someday!

Posted by: No Homos! at January 10, 2008 3:17 PM
Comment #247567

I am no conservative republicans. Many, ironically, may call me “liberal” or “humanist”. Yet I am not. No matter how critical I can be with plenty of conservatives in this USA, I also have a total dislike of “liberals”, “humanists” and other rats. My concern is disagreements with USA’s policies in the Middle East, universal health care for everybody and complete respects to all minorities. Yet “liberals” and their “humanist idiots” waste their time attacking religions [I don’t give a damn if some religions are bad or not, people believing or not believing in God and other things], animals’ “rights” or supporting a new international law stating “apes and monkeys” are our “equal”. “Liberals and humanists” of today have degenerated into the utter ridiculousness. And if you don’t share their ridiculous “agenda” there is something “wrong” with you. Not even Stalin and Hitler reached that low. I may be voting for Mr. Obama, but watch out: inside of me I still have a deep hatred toward many “liberals and humanists”. Agreements in what’s wrong with the conservative republicans doen’t translate in “love” to these rats.

Posted by: Mr. Anonymous at March 10, 2008 5:36 PM
Comment #262896

I have done a significant amount of work with men and women who are violent toward other people, and destructive to themselves by using illegal substances in an out-of-control way. I have noted that they are very good at seeing fault in others, but have great difficulty seeing their own weaknesses. Consequently they stay addicted to drama, violence and substance abuse.

I did not read all the posts, but I read several, and a signficant number of them seem to be aimed at poking fun, or criticizing others. It’s fine with me if people want to do that, but it’s been done since the beginning of time and it usually doesn’t change much, except to make the others dig in and create a more determined opposition.

If you want to do something different, take a look at yourself and see if you are kind, respectful and interested in thinking and behaving proactively to actually solve problems other than the personality and thinking of others.

I am actively involved in working to reduce the sense of helplessness in people. I also know I am an asshole at times, and I continue to work to try to remedy that. My suggestion would be to quit analyzing and criticizing the “others” and take more time on yourself. But damn it, now I’m being critical and analyzing you! See how easy it is to fall back into it? :)

Posted by: Lanny at September 13, 2008 12:01 AM
Comment #268891

liberals hate conservatives more. I should know I am a liberal. And there is nothing with a little hate against conservatives they are so evil i hear they eat the babies of liberals. Yes its true and they drink the blood of innocent femminists they catch alone out in the darkened streets. conservatives are evil with their family values and their deeecency. yes sir. liberals unite vote for Marx..er..Obama!

Che loves you.

Posted by: My name is Che what of it? at October 30, 2008 5:24 PM
Comment #299861

Liberals are the exact opposite. The are SO Illiberal.

Posted by: Paul Morris at April 30, 2010 11:57 AM
Comment #397950

It is hateful to speak the truth according to you liberals. I guess if you can set the narrative that calling a Maoist a communist and a national socialist a fascist is somehow violent rhetoric then you can justify the actual crimes committed by the American left. We don’t need to demonize you because you do it well enough yourselves.

Liberals blame the right for “violent rhetoric” like Sarah Palin “targeting” political districts, but when top liberal professors, activists, journalists, and politicians call for violence against conservatives and republicans, going as far as publishing their home addresses, this is ignored because you have already set up your false narrative that “both sides do it.” Never has a Republican told their audience to commit violent crimes against Democrats as many Democrats have, from the lowliest Occupy terrorist to the President’s own cabinet.

It is grotesque to compare the political rhetoric of the Republican party to the actual calls for violence from the left. It is also grotesque to blame Republicans acts of violence committed by liberals for the liberal ideal, like the Giffords shooting (Marxist radicalized by college), the Discovery Tech shooting (Radical Environmentalist), Chris Dorner (Black Supremacist), and the most recent shooting of the journalists by their blacklives matter colleague.

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