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"They The People" Cash = Representation

I have successfully found the Americans that are represented by our, oops, their government. Their voices have permeated the walls of the White House and Congress. They are the people, remember “We the people?”(The good old days) that have the ear of our government. I’ve been complaining that the government has ignored “the people.” I know now the error of my ways. I have found those people who are a meaningful part of the Democratic process. I found “They the people.”

Oil and Energy("They the people") donations to republican campaign:

In 2000 the Republican party received $27 million dollars.
In 2002 the Republican party received $20 million dollars.
In 2004 the Republican party received $21 million dollars.
In 2006 the Republican party received $8 million so far.
Oil companies have seen record profits from their investments and have become the architects of American foreign and domestic policies.

Who gets hurt? "We the people"

Average Americans who drive a car.
The environment.
Average Americans who would like to heat their homes in the winter.
Truckers.
Average American workers.
The rest of the world.

Pharmaceutical Company("They the people") donations to Republican party:

In 2000 the Republican party received $19 million dollars.
In 2002 the Republican party received $22 million dollars.
In 2004 the Republican party received $12 million dollars.
In 2006 the Republican party has received $7 million so far.
These same companies have seen record deregulation under the Republican controlled government and huge profits from medicare/medicaid overhaul. These same companies have lobbied our government to disallow cheaper Canadian drugs from being an option for those who could use cheaper medications to offset other medical costs and have reduce testing and safety regulations that protect consumers.

Who gets hurt? We the people

The elderly, poor, and middle class Americans who are at the mercy of an industry that creates it's own rules and owns those in government who are meant to regulate and hold them accountable.

Gun Manufacturers and supporters("They the people") donations to the Republican party:

In 2000 the Republican party received $24 million dollars.
In 2002 the Republican party received $13 million dollars.
In 2004 the Republican party received $6 million dollars.
In 2006 the Republican party has received $3 million dollars so far.
It is now easier to purchase a gun. The weapons that can be purchased are much more powerful than their predecessors and obviously not for hunting animals. Best of all, the "regular joe" citizens of America have the same firepower as the police who are trying to get guns out of the hands of criminals and off the streets.

Who gets hurt? "We the people"

Any American who is not bulletproof. ( Superman was quoted as saying, "whew!")

The insurance industry("They the people") donations to the Republican party:

In 2000 the Republican party received $28 million dollars.
In 2002 the Republican party received $26 million dollars.
In 2004 the Republican party received $25 million dollars.
In 2006 the Republican party received $10 million dollars so far.
The insurance industry has been allowed to raise raits and cut services under the Republican controlled government. High profits and low accountability(Do you see a theme here?)

Who get's hurt? "We the people"

The millions of Americans who cannot afford health insurance.
The poor and elderly.
Children.

The defense industry and it's contractors("They the people") donations to the Republican party:

In 2000 the Republican party received $24 million dollars.
In 2002 the Republican party received $26 million dollars.
In 2004 the Republican party received $26 million dollars.
In 2006 the Republican party has received $14 million so far.
This same industry has been awarded billions in uncontested no-bid contracts. Has been allowed to overcharge the American tax-payers for services not performed and equipment not supplied resulting in billions of dollars in profit.

Who get's hurt?" We the people"

Average American tax paying citizens.
Our troops.
The future generations who will pay for all this waste and greed.

Telecommunication monopolies, far right "kooks" and lawyers associations are getting their share of representation also. More "They the people" politics at work.

In order for those of us who either fall into the category of those "who get hurt" or are not in the small percentage of those who are profitting, we must win back our representative form of government by eliminating the money and politics, corrupt system that has been allowed to grow and fester in every aspect of the Democratic process. We need campaign finance reform now. We need to take back control of the government we apathetically allowed to be taken from us by big-business and special interests groups.

We now know who's really running the show. The above mentioned industries, the super-wealthy and those who share a theocratic, bigoted, ultra-"right", shove Jesus down their throats,hypocritical sense of morality that allows them to judge others but also shields them from accountability.
This is who we want to lead? This is not the best and brightest.
This is a power grab made by wealthy, ruthless entities that do not have America's best interest at heart. Let's drive them out of office. Research the candidates and study what they've done. Don't fall for party line rhetoric.
If you don't like the Dem. or Rep. option vote independent.

Vote for someone you believe in in 06.


Posted by Andre M. Hernandez at June 20, 2006 11:00 AM
Comments
Comment #159547

andre,

funny how you didn’t list how much is given to the Democratic Party. It would be a nice contrast. Maybe it would ruin your argument. Not sure, but I suspect that the Democratic Party has it’s own constituency that it puts out for. Try not to give the line that your donors only look out for the average guy. It’s old and not very persuasive.

keith

Posted by: keith at June 20, 2006 1:43 PM
Comment #159552

Keith,

You are correct. Unions, education related fields, computer and tech companies, minority groups, were much more likely to donate to Demoocrats.
I chose the above named industries based on the enormity of the disparity between their donations to Republicans vs. Democrats.

Posted by: Andre M. Hernandez at June 20, 2006 1:50 PM
Comment #159554

Agreed, Keith. Both parties are for sale, bought and sold with every election. I just happen to like the people who buy and sell Dems more than the people who buy and sell Repubs.

The only answer to these problems is comprehensive election reform (banning corporate donors) and lobby reform.

Posted by: David S at June 20, 2006 1:53 PM
Comment #159555

Keith.
Feel free to check the data.
http://www.opensecrets.org/indutry/

Posted by: Andre M. Hernandez at June 20, 2006 1:55 PM
Comment #159558

We need another party in order to “drive them out of office”. A party that does not sell out to businesses. Both of the current ones do, sadly. Until such a party is created, nothing will change for the better. Business should not decide policy yet I see so much of it happening now. I am amazed at some of the people who are our political leaders, they do not care about anyone but themselves yet the stupid/religious americans still vote them in.

Posted by: Derek at June 20, 2006 1:59 PM
Comment #159559

While both parties might be for sale. It seems those that are buying the Republicans, are in industries that have wider impact than those who buy Democrats. People don’t rely as much on Real-Estate, Legal, and Computer Insdustries, as they do Oil/Energy, Pharmacuticals and Insurance.

Statistics suggest that Democratic lobbying is done moreso as a form to get special interest groups voices heard, whereas Republican lobbying is more closely related to industry.

While a comparison would have illustrated the point better, I beleive Andre still has a valid point.

Posted by: DOC at June 20, 2006 2:07 PM
Comment #159563

Andre,
I would like to see your stats on the gun issue. Not the amount of money that’s been donated, but how it’s easier to buy a gun. Used to, anyone could go to a store, put his/her money on the counter and walk out with a gun. Now you have to give your social security number, all personal info and wait for the store owner to run a check on you through a data base to see if you have a criminal background. No the system is not perfect, but it’s better than it was. Just like illegal immigrants, you’ll never get rid of all the guns. Even if you made guns illegal you couldn’t get rid of them. Criminals wouldn’t give them up.That’s why they are called criminals, the don’t obey the law. I own several guns, for protection for my family and property, and for hunting. All of my guns are registered to me and I don’t have them to “kill the cops” as you implied. I am a democrat, but gun control is not the issue. Stiffer penaties for criminals is. Where do we stand on that issue?

Posted by: kenray04 at June 20, 2006 2:14 PM
Comment #159564

You forgot trial Attornies They screw the American people out of more money than all those that you mentioned.They do’nt employ not even a fraction of those you mentioned.And yes They are in bed with the Democrats SIR!

Posted by: lookingout at June 20, 2006 2:14 PM
Comment #159566

I think it’s a great thing that the people who defend our country, provide energy, and find cures for diseases are willing to stand behind a party that will help them succeed.

Posted by: Brian B at June 20, 2006 2:18 PM
Comment #159567

Andre
These are “They the People” who don’t agree with your views.
IF you were really concerned with “party line rhetoric,” then you would have added the other side.
And whats with gun manufactures and supporters being on your list? You should be thankful there are people out there TRYING to protect one of your rights granted to you by our Constitution.

Other than those, thanks for the info. Hopefully, your link will help some people better see what is going on.

Posted by: kctim at June 20, 2006 2:19 PM
Comment #159570

Andre, et al There is an answer to the situation: Ban all organization money, corporate, union,PACS, etc. Restrict giving to individuals only and set tight limits on how much can be given. Ban all paid trips for Congress and staff. If a Congressperson or staff member needs to take a trip on official business, pay for it out of travel funds. Set menaingful penalties for violation of election laws..starting at 5 years in prison and going up from there. All members of Congress should publish a detailed accounting of their expenditures every quarter, and this should be readily available to the public.

This is a wonderful dream, however, it’s not gonna happen. First of all, no member of Congress would propose such a drastic change and no one would vote for it. Also, since the Supreme Court decided that campaign giving is a form of speech, we can’t even set meaningful limits on how much can be given.

That leaves another, more involved, solution: Vote out every incumbent and keep doing that until they get the message that we, the people, are the boss, we call the shots, not them. I plpan to vote against every incumbent in November, and every election from now on. I may only be one vote, but by God, I will make my statement! And, I will encourage others to do the same.

Posted by: John Back at June 20, 2006 2:24 PM
Comment #159583


Yes, we should all support the party that is helping these corporations succeed. I know that some people think that these corporations are screwing 90% of us, but that means that 10% of us are making out quite well. It is the right 10% that is benefiting and that is what counts, thank you very much.

Posted by: jlw at June 20, 2006 2:37 PM
Comment #159584

Andre-

As you can see from the comments above you are walking into it on the gun issue. By far the largest giver to gun related causes is the NRA. That’s a very grass roots organization.

As kenray pointed out it is indeed harder to buy a gun courtesy of the NRA endorsed instant checks. I have my concealed carry so I don’t get checked, but for that courtesy I had to take a course, be fingerprinted, and register with my sheriff’s office.

If you are talking about the other parts of the Brady Bill then you are talking about meaningless, feel good legislation that did nothing to control guns. Nothing….

Posted by: George in SC at June 20, 2006 2:38 PM
Comment #159587

I would like to thank kenray for telling everyone that criminals “don’t obey the law”. Thanks for that enlightenment. Stiffer penalties would not help, you have to get to the real root of the problem. What causes these people to feel the need to get guns and start by fixing that. It may take more work so that’s why you have people say just increase the penalty its easier.

brian b -Republicans do not defend our county, they outsource it, they are too precious and scared to do the actual fighting, they provide energy at the expense of others which is wrong, and they are anti-stem cell so how can they cure diseases?

I hate stupid people and republicans.

Religion is made up.

Posted by: bob at June 20, 2006 2:41 PM
Comment #159592

“but that means that 10% of us are making out quite well. It is the right 10% that is benefiting and that is what counts, thank you very much”.

take note people I’ve heard similar statements from King george about his tax cuts for the rich which common sense tells you they do not need in any circumstance, “more money is back in the pockets of the people who deserve it”. Then you have jlw chiming in sounding the same. This is the republican mentality that I would like to destroy, the idea that they are entitled and are better then you. I can’t believe people have not risen up in protest. I would be careful if I was a rep.

Posted by: derek at June 20, 2006 2:53 PM
Comment #159595

Andre, bravo! One of your best postings.

Of course, both parties get donations. But notice how the Republican Party in this session paid back these contributors in the energy, communication, pharmaceutical (Medicare drugs) and other industries with solid legislation.

Posted by: Paul Siegel at June 20, 2006 2:58 PM
Comment #159597

dere, jlw is a dem.

Posted by: Brian B at June 20, 2006 2:58 PM
Comment #159598

I guess the bottom line who you dislike more. Business (with the notable exception of media and entertainment) tends to support Republicans. Lawyers and unions go Democratic. There is logic to it. Business usually wants government to regulate less and lower taxes. Unions want government to coerce business through regulations and lawyers bring government coercion to you in the form of lawsuits. These groups are not “buying” officials, but rather supporting the people who will advocate the policies they favor.

A businessperson probably believes that less government is good for the U.S. and a lawyer probably thinks that litigation leads to a more just society. Naturally they will give to those who support their views. They are acting out of conviction. It is not always nefarious.

There IS too much money in the system because there is so much at stake. One reason is government is reaching into more and more aspects of our lives. Why is it that all those Indian tribes gave some much money to Abramoff (and Harry Reid)? Because government had created (and could withhold) the profitable Indian gambling concessions. Absent that government power, the investment would not pay off. So if you want to shrink the role of money in politics, shrink the role of politics in business and society.

Posted by: Jack at June 20, 2006 2:58 PM
Comment #159681

“You forgot trial Attornies”

Most trial attornies right now are tied up defending republican lobbyists and indicted Enron executives.
Republicans sure talk like they hate lawers, right up until they need one to defend them .

Posted by: Observer at June 20, 2006 6:14 PM
Comment #159785

Andre,

You may well have seen this, but if not check out the top donors to both parties:

http://www.opensecrets.org/overview/topcontribs.asp?Cycle=2000&Bkdn=DemRep

Very interesting.

KansasDem

Posted by: KansasDem at June 20, 2006 8:20 PM
Comment #159807


The republicans claim that democrats want to take the guns out of the hands of law abiding citizens so that only criminals will have guns and that we already have laws that the dems refuse to uphold. But, I have yet to see a republican plan to enforce those laws. And aren’t the republicans doing the same thing with illegal immigrants? Aren’t there laws already on the books making illegal entry into the United States a crime? Isn’t it illegal to hire someone who enters the country illegaly? Why aren’t the republicans enforcing these laws?

Posted by: jlw at June 20, 2006 8:48 PM
Comment #159810

I think those of you who are looking to find a party that doesn’t cater to campaign donors had better end their search now. Any party of sufficient size is going to draw contributors the way the Kings of old drew courtiers looking to curry favor. The people who want the powerful to work on their behalf will always gather around them.

Any party that becomes large enough to compete with the Dems and the GOP will have to deal with that reality.

The solution, as far as I’m concerned, is to keep track of what our people are doing, and when they fail to distinguish between the public’s interests and the special interests of the private sector, is to slap them upside the head with bad publicity and the threat of removal from office. Campaign Finance Reform would be nice, too, but ultimately we have to train our politicians to understand who really holds their fate in their hands. They may get that money to pay for commercials and nice little campaign trips, but we’re still the ones who decide whether all that spending meant anything in the end. We should not forget that.

Posted by: Stephen Daugherty at June 20, 2006 8:50 PM
Comment #159811

Andre,
The only way to get it back is to get rid of every one of the incumbents you can. Both sides are bought and paid for and have been resold several times to people who don’t give a damn about what our intrests are, liberal or conservative.
As to WE THE PEOPLE, I have my redacted copy of the constituion out;
PEOPLE - deleted 7 jun 06 - my niece found her hamster to be under represented: SCOTUS agreed 7 to 2.
(sorry could not resist)

Posted by: Ted at June 20, 2006 8:52 PM
Comment #159814

John Back,
Make that two votes and from reading this blog, “We are not alone”

Posted by: Ted at June 20, 2006 8:56 PM
Comment #159822

jlw

Re gun laws and violence, we have a good case study in Virginia, DC and Maryland. Virginia has the easiest gun control laws, but it enforces them. As a result gun violence is much lower than in Maryland that has sticter laws and DC that has very strict laws.

We actually have sufficient gun control laws now if we would follow them. We may agree on this.

Posted by: Jack at June 20, 2006 9:33 PM
Comment #159904

—Andre—My eyes are still spinning. I knew donations were high but this is mind boggling, thanks for you info.

Posted by: DAVID at June 21, 2006 2:37 AM
Comment #159957

KansasDem,

That list was great— well, not the good kind of great, but they kind of great that comes from new found knowledge. It really is everything i need to know about the republican party.

Repug Donors:
-National Beer Wholesalers Assn.
-National Auto Dealers
-Pfizer
-PricewaterhouseCoopers
-Anheuser-Busch
-Wal-Mart
-RJ Reynolds Tobacco
-UPS
-American Bankers Assn
-American Dental Assoc
-Blue Cross Blue Sheild
-AFLAC
-Lockheed Martin
-Deloitte Touche Tohmatsu
-Independent Insurance Agents of America
-Every Republican is Crucial PAC
-Siebel Systems
-Rely on Your Beliefs (wts is this?)
-Associated Builders & Contractors
-Keep Our Majority PAC (wts?)
-Freedom Project (these are getting shadier..)

Dems:
-Intl Brotherhood of Electrical Workers
-United Auto Workers
-American Fedn of State/county/munic Employees
-Laborers Union
-National Assn of Letter Carriers
-Time Warner (yuck)
-Intnl Assn of Fire Fighters
-Sheet Metal Workers Union
-Machinists/Aerospace Workers Union
-Carpenters & Joiners Union
-Plumbers/Pipefitters Union
-Ironworkers Union
-Airline Pilots Union
-American Federation of Teachers
-American Postal Workers Union
-United Transportation Union
-Communications Workers of America
-AFL-CIO
-Service Employees Intnl Union


Posted by: tree hugger at June 21, 2006 9:43 AM
Comment #160028

Treehugger,

Exactly! We the people (avg. joe’s) are not represented by the Republican party.
Which makes the fact that sooo many poor, uneducated, rural people who get screwed by the republican party support them without even knowing why they do even more pathetic.

Posted by: Andre M. Hernandez at June 21, 2006 1:58 PM
Comment #160047

Andre,

“Gun Manufacturers and supporters(“They the people”)”

There are approximately 72 million gun owners in the United States. Do you think we’re aliens?

“It is now easier to purchase a gun.”

The Gun Control Act of 1968 and the National Instant Check System make that statement a lie.

“The weapons that can be purchased are much more powerful than their predecessors and obviously not for hunting animals.”

No, they are not. Recent advances in ammunition technology have made it possible to equal the performance of cartidges 50 to 100 years old in a smaller case. Some new handgun cartidges are very powerful but they are for highly dedicated and experienced hangunners, the guns are very large, heavy and expensive and are useless for anything except hunting. The ammunition is also very expensive.
The guns that get people who don’t know anything about guns excited are assault rifles, or more precisely, semi auto versions of assault rifles. These firearms are chambered for low powered cartridges, considered by those of us who know what we’re talking about to be pipsqueaks. The most notorious, the 7.62x39, or AK47 round is about as powerful as the .30-30 which is considered a very low powered round. The other famous “assault weapon” cartridge is the 5.56 NATO, or .223 Remington. IT’S A 22!-barely powerful enough for coyotes, so weak it’s illegal for deer hunting.
One of my favorite rifles for close range forest hunting is an SKS. It fires the 7.62x39 round and is considered an assault rifle by the antis.

“Best of all, the “regular joe” citizens of America have the same firepower as the police”

You’re right, that is best of all. The “regular joe” citizens are on the same side as the police and will help them when necessary.

“who are trying to get guns out of the hands of criminals and off the streets.”

The “regular joe” citizens aren’t criminals.

“Who gets hurt? “We the people”“

“We the People” get protected by our neighbors who are part of “We the People”.

When only the police have guns you live in a police state.


Posted by: traveller at June 21, 2006 2:48 PM
Comment #160064

Traveller,

When everyone has one you live in the South Central L.A., Brownsville Brooklyn.

Why make it difficult for people to take legal action against those who produce firearms?
If it’s just you law abiding people who own guns why are gangs shooting each other and not hitting each other with bats?

Posted by: Andre M. Hernandez at June 21, 2006 3:38 PM
Comment #160073

Andre,

“When everyone has one you live in the South Central L.A., Brownsville Brooklyn.”

Those are places where the law abiding, decent people have been disarmed. The criminals now rule the streets.

“Why make it difficult for people to take legal action against those who produce firearms?”

The gunmakers are producing legal, socially useful products. They shouldn’t be held resposible for their criminal misuse, as the Congress and the courts have ruled.

“If it’s just you law abiding people who own guns why are gangs shooting each other and not hitting each other with bats?”

It isn’t just law abiding people who have guns, and that’s the point. The bad guys will always be armed, no matter what laws are passed. Their greatest fear is that their victim may be capable of fighting back. Stripping people of the right of self defense just protects the criminals. Where it is illegal or too expensive for good people to be armed the criminals are in control, just as in South Central L.A. Along with that comes a tyrannical and oppressive police presence.

Apparently, you’ve never faced your own imminent murder, as I have. Facing death will make you understand the value of being armed.

Posted by: traveller at June 21, 2006 4:13 PM
Comment #160115

andre,

Just using your source for figures, I find it interesting that Law firms/Lawyers gave a combined 322 million dollars to the Democratic Party since 2000. That’s more money than Oil/Energy, Pharmaceuticals, Gun manufacturers, and Insurance lobbys gave to Republicans COMBINED. What do we get for that? The most litigous society known to mandkind. Ever wonder why there are more law students in school than medical students? Do you think that they are representing “the People”? Are they representing you?

Posted by: keith at June 21, 2006 6:01 PM
Comment #160181

The oil industry and the republicans fight any meaningful legislation that would make us energy independent.

While the republicans are in power America will never be energy independent and global warming will never be addressed. If that’s the only reason to vote against republicans, it’s a pretty good one.

Posted by: john at June 21, 2006 8:36 PM
Comment #160183
Just using your source for figures, I find it interesting that Law firms/Lawyers gave a combined 322 million dollars to the Democratic Party since 2000. That’s more money than Oil/Energy, Pharmaceuticals, Gun manufacturers, and Insurance lobbys gave to Republicans COMBINED. What do we get for that? The most litigous society known to mandkind. Ever wonder why there are more law students in school than medical students? Do you think that they are representing “the People”? Are they representing you?

The fact is trial lawyers are often the only thing preventing businesses from taking advantage of innocent people. Republicans want to shut litigation down so big business can hurt people and damage the environment without any repercussions.

That said, I share your distate for irresponsible law suits. However the oil industry-republican alliance is going to do vastly more harm to America than the lawyer=democrat alliance.

Posted by: john at June 21, 2006 8:40 PM
Comment #160336

Posted by: Brian B at June 20, 2006 02:18 PM
I think it’s a great thing that the (1.)people who defend our country, (2.)provide energy, and (3.)find cures for diseases are willing to stand behind a party that will help them succeed.
=============================================
Damn Brian, where do I begin???
First off, stop drinkin’ the repugnants coolaid okay? Let us break this load of crapola down…

(1.)First the people who are defending our country are the kids in Iraq & Afganistan that are dying every day in those hellholes!!! They do not profit from this hellish nightmare in any way but the defense contractors and supply whores like Halliburton (Dick Cheney) are profiteering from the blood of our Soldiers and Marines everyday so maybe thats who you meant to type in there, right?

(2.)If provide energy you mean suck every last penny from the American middle class that needs these fossil fuels to drive to work (if they are lucky enough to still have a job that has not yet been sent to China) or heat their home in winter or cook meals for thier families and manage ONLY coincidentally to make the highest RECORD PROFITS in the HISTORY OF THEIR COMPANIES or in the history of THAT UTILITY *E*V*E*R*!!!!! Never mind that this repugnant whitehouse allowed these same utility CEO’s to come to Dick Cheneys office the first week they were in office to rewrite legislation to allow this RAPE OF THE AMERICAN PEOPLE!!!! Maybe that was what you had actually intended to type????

(3.)Finding cures for diseases… hmmmmmmmm????
Was there a cure for cancer announced?? Did I miss that? Or for AIDS??? How about the COMMON FREAKING COLD??? NO!!!! What cures do you speak of? I would think that since they were also allowed to rewrite legislation to allow more RAPE OF THE AMERICAN MIDDLE CLASS, POOR and ELDERLY
that they would at least give us the cure for the common cold? They do have it you know but just like all the others, it’s far more PROFITABLE to SELL US REMEDIES, TREATMENTS AND BANDAIDS then CURES would be. Oh no, you can only sell the cure once, the remedies and treatments are a REPEATABLE BUSINESS!!! And if people DIE, well there are many more that the one has also infected, creating an endless supply of customers.

So you see after some careful analysis we can all see that these BLOODSUCKERS AND PARASITES that your Grand Ole Party is helping to succeed shines the brightest light on what the GOP really cares about.

As we now know for sure it is not “WE THE PEOPLE” but instead it’s “THEY THE CORPORATIONS” that the repugnants stand FOR and WITH!!!

As someone else so aptly put it, YES the Democrats do have thier supporters as well but I like those supporters and the Dems WHO support them so much more. They are teachers, cops, firefighters, labor unions and all kinds of hard working middle class Americans.

The American Middle Class is what built this country into what it is today after WW2!!! Prior to that the robber barons were in control OF THIS NATION and the little guy had no one to defend or speak for US, “WE THE PEOPLE”. The GOP today wants to take us all back to that day, into the fascist corporotocracy that existed before FDR made our country what it was up until the 2000 election theft.

TAKE BACK AMERICA FOR “WE THE PEOPLE”!!!!

Posted by: Dave in NorCal at June 22, 2006 1:56 AM
Comment #160513

“Grand Ole Party”

It should be “Greedy Old Party,” since it’s obviously the party of greed and corruption.

Posted by: john at June 22, 2006 3:10 PM
Comment #161167

Jack, you cited gambling regulation as problem of politics in business leading to corruption. You said let government out of it so there would be less corruption.

Gambling is a corrupt business. It is a false sense of payoff. Most gambling is run by organized crime, it was celebrated in Havana a few years back. We know where that led us.
The problem is corruption, not regulation. Personally, I think states that have lotteries have abandoned any sense of ethics to start with. Gambling is a swindle from the get go.
Ralph Reid was in on the Abramhoff deal. Selling yourself as moral, isn’t the same as being moral. I know you get that.

In general, deregulation of business can be a good thing, but careful observance of the real level playing field needs to be done. Gambling is the worst example of this you could possibly give.

Posted by: gergle at June 23, 2006 11:03 PM
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