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Master Trasher Free to Trash Democrats

After many months of suspense, and after 5 appearances at the grand jury, master trasher Karl Rove was told that he would not be indicted in the Plame leak case. This has brought jubilation to Rove and to all Republicans worried about their re-election this fall. Now they can call on the master trasher to find novel, immoral and sleazy ways to trash Democratic candidates so Republicans may defeat their opponents once again.

Once Karl Rove was pronounced off the hook, Republican rejoicing began. President Bush breathed a sigh of relief when he said:

"It's a chapter that has ended."

The chapter has ended? Back on February 11, 2004, Bush told America:

"If there's a leak out of my administration, I want to know who it is. If the person has violated law, that person will be taken care of."

Then he added he did not know of:

"anybody in my administration who leaked classified information."

Everybody knew there had been a leak. And everybody knew that the leak had come from the White House. Now we know that the president himself leaked or declassified - take you pick - classified information.

So how is this a "chapter that has ended"? How is this a cause for celebration? Bush wanted to know and he still does not know (if you believe him). But he is happy and Republicans are happy that now they have their favorite master trasher in charge of the fall campaigns.

When Bush's sky-high approval ratings fell to the 30s, Republicans began to worry. Who would help them in the coming elections? Who could take the corruption, the lying, the greed, the arrogance, the hypocrisy, the recklessness displayed by Republican office holders and turn it around and blame Democrats for it? Who is the master of hate as a weapon against his opponents? Who could take a solid military hero and paint him as a wimp? Who could start a nasty whispering campaign to impugn the character of a famous senator? Who could see to it that a new swiftboating group would suddenly arise and effectively smear a candidate, thereby ruining his reputation? Who is the master of political immorality?

Master trasher Karl Rove. And now he is free to spread his dirt and trash Democrats.

This time the evil genius will not succeed. Rove will not succeed because we have all seen that he is a sleazy character. More important, all Democrats will stand watch looking for the bilious lies Karl Rove disseminates. And they will answer, not in kind, but in exposing the truth. When truth prevails, master trasher Karl Rove will lose. Then and only then will we be able to say what Bush said yesterday:

"It's a chapter that has ended."
Posted by Paul Siegel at June 14, 2006 5:24 PM
Comments
Comment #157770

Terry M. was just on the ‘Big Story’ doing a fine job of bashing the Republicans.
Howie does a fine job bashing.
It’s no different.
Unless of course you think Carl is better at it and the party out of power is the only side allowed to bash.

Posted by: bug at June 14, 2006 5:48 PM
Comment #157777

bug:

It’s Karl as in Marx, not Carl as in Reiner.

Posted by: Tim Crow at June 14, 2006 5:54 PM
Comment #157792

Hah - that’s funny Tim…

Wow - 3 grand jury trials, a salivating prosecutor - and no indictment. Why don’t we just hang him anyway? Screw the rule of law. Paul says he is evil, and that’s enough for me…

Posted by: b0mbay at June 14, 2006 6:27 PM
Comment #157800

Personally, I can’t wait to see the mighty Turd Blossom, the man most feared by Democrats, get back to utterly crushing the opposition in yet another November. Welcome back, Karl!

Posted by: Duano at June 14, 2006 6:45 PM
Comment #157803

Karl is gonna be like a seagull that just ate some alka-selzer. He has been sitting on his hands for way too long during this trial, and now is ready to take a giant poop all over the Dems. Somebody tell HillBilly and Mean Dean (the ultimate potty mouthed pilferer of slime) to break out their extra-large umbrellas…

Posted by: b0mbay at June 14, 2006 7:02 PM
Comment #157807

Gee Paul, care to back up any of your hysterical statements about Rove. Perhaps they need you in the AG office. Sounds to me like you can convict anyone just by saying they’re guilty of something! Jim

Posted by: Jim Martin at June 14, 2006 7:06 PM
Comment #157815

hehehehehehehe……………

Let the games begin! Now that Rove will NOT be indicted, the Dems cry foul - again. When will you people learn that just because you say it’s true doesn’t make it so? An INDEPENDENT procecutor that WANTED to make a case couldn’t. Time to “move on”.

LOL !

Posted by: Ilsa at June 14, 2006 7:21 PM
Comment #157821

Ilsa

“When will you people learn that just because you say it’s true doesn’t make it so? “

As soon as your people learn that saying this country doesn’t torture, that all wire-tapping needs a warrant, and signing statements changing the meaning of laws passed by Congress are constitutional, are lies.

Posted by: Tim Crow at June 14, 2006 7:31 PM
Comment #157830

Get over it folks. The system has worked. Despite all the hysteria and jubilation over the impending doom of Rove, it didn’t happen! It didn’t happen because the grand jury couldn’t find sufficient evidence to support the charges. That’s the way things work in the real world. All of the name-calling, all of the innuendo, all of the pronouncements by the media and others makes absolutely no difference when it comes down to the legal niceties. It takes evidence to convict. This time it wasn’t there. Therefore, under our system, Karl Rove is innocent.

I know this galls a lot of folks on the left, but that’s just the way it is. Rove is innocent just like O.J. and Michael are innocent. No conviction, not guilty.

I would suggest, if you are serious about winning anything in November, that you get your act together and come up with a coherent, logical, understandable plan to fix the mess this country is in and present it to the voters. Otherwise, the “ins” win and you will still be the “outs”.

And, before anyone starts hollering “neocon”, “right wing zealot”, or any of the other endearments this site is famous for, I am a certified, dyed in the wool Independent Libertarian and I don’t care which party wins because nothing is going to change. The Blues are mad because they don’t have the power so they will do practically anything to upset the Reds apple cart. The Reds don’t want to lose power to the Blues so they will do practically anything to keep power. The funny part is, if the Blues do win in November, the only thing that will change are the voices.

Posted by: John Back at June 14, 2006 7:45 PM
Comment #157834

It’s not over till it’s over:

“In an interview yesterday, Wilson said that once the criminal questions are settled, he and his wife may file a civil lawsuit against Bush, Cheney and others seeking damages for the alleged harm done to Plame’s career.

If they do so, the current state of the law makes it likely that the suit will be allowed to proceed — and Bush and Cheney will face questioning under oath — while they are in office. The reason for that is a unanimous 1997 U.S. Supreme Court decision ruling that Paula Jones’ sexual harassment suit against then-President Bill Clinton could go forward immediately, a decision that was hailed by conservatives at the time.”

Posted by: Max at June 14, 2006 7:56 PM
Comment #157835

John Beck:

“The Blues are mad because they don’t have the power so they will do practically anything to upset the Reds apple cart. The Reds don’t want to lose power to the Blues so they will do practically anything to keep power. The funny part is, if the Blues do win in November, the only thing that will change are the voices.”

Mr. Beck, meet Mr. Mencken:

“Each party steals so many articles of faith from the other, and the candidates spend so much time making each other’s speeches, that by the time election day is past there is nothing much to do save turn the sitting rascals out and let a new gang in. “
H. L. Mencken

Posted by: Tim Crow at June 14, 2006 8:02 PM
Comment #157840

It is really very humorous how far you all will go to try and find a problem with the current administration. Our country is on track….just what is it you all want. Maybe the recession back Clinton left us with…or maybe for us to look like the country that talks big but will be easy pickings, as it will not back up it’s policies or protect its law abiding citizens..or maybe we need a Kennedy in our ranks. You know someone that is so rich they really do not have a clue, but think throwing money at a problem will take care of it (not even there own but ours)….and as an advantage to their generousity…they can personally lie there way out of anything, commit any crime they so desire and we will make excuses for them…or maybe more people on capital hill that are so convinced of their importance that they expect everyone to immediately recognize their face and realize they are so above the rest they do not need to follow recognized procedures…WHAT…Now What is it you want

Posted by: Really at June 14, 2006 8:25 PM
Comment #157842

What they want is what they have…a ton of Lady Clinton’s that going back in their own histories have stood on every side of every issue….you know depending on what the people want to hear at the very moment…but in reality the only stand they take is what is best for number 1…..themselves.

Posted by: sv at June 14, 2006 8:30 PM
Comment #157850
It is really very humorous how far you all will go to try and find a problem with the current administration. Our country is on track….just what is it you all want.


Off the top of my head? I want the surplus back, invested into a savings account that generates interest like Gore had proposed. I want to have never entered this war and to have this country owned by its citizens, not China. I want the debt gone. I want Osama Bin Laden. I want take back all the torture that made us look like them.

I want a freakin time machine and I want Bush to have never been born.

Now, what do I want right now? Rumsfeld and Cheney fired for gross negligence would be a start. Bush impeached would be great. Then I want to sign the Kyoto treaty every other nation signed, as well as ABM etc. Then I want education, healthcare, and our energy problems fixed. I want an honorable end to the Iraq fiasco. I want a real democracy set up where the people want it, for instance, Afghanistan, where it should have been done in the first place.

Posted by: Max at June 14, 2006 8:54 PM
Comment #157852

Just remember what happened to OJ in civil court…

Posted by: Max at June 14, 2006 8:55 PM
Comment #157856

Paul,

Good article. I’m amazed at how little our Neo-Con counterparts know about law. If, in fact. Fitzgerald said that Rove would NEVER be charged then he needs to be immediately removed from the case or possibly investigated himself.

This is still an ongoing investigation based only on the fact that there is an indictment and new evidence may become available through testimony at the trial. Either that or Karl Rove has been offered immunity for testifying against Libby.

The Neo-Con nut-cases can’t have it both ways.

There truly is only one way to clean up the mess Bush & Co. have created and that is through IMPEACHMENT! Unless we drag this administration through every inch of the dirt they’ve piled on us then we’ll continue to wallow in the mud.

It’s time to get loud and be proud. We won’t let Bush & Co. use our beloved Constitution for toilet paper anymore!

KansasDem

Posted by: KansasDem at June 14, 2006 9:06 PM
Comment #157857

Max:

“Bush impeached would be great. “

You’re going to have to incentivize the right people, namely Congress—and yes, money plays into the definition.:-)

Posted by: Tim Crow at June 14, 2006 9:10 PM
Comment #157867

I think Karl trashes so vehemently because he is grossly overweight and ugly as a mud fence. He has to vent his frustration at his physical shortcomings in some way.

Posted by: Kathy at June 14, 2006 9:26 PM
Comment #157869

Bill Frist would dump Bush like his own mother on a respirator, in a heartbeat, if it would help his political power any.

What will be interesting is whether any of these suits move forward or get totally blocked by “security concerns”. Unfortunately I doubt any will be resolved in a way that helps Democrats by this election. A few more corruption stories might explode though. It’d be real nice if Tom Delay goes to jail or flips on a few of his buddies.

Karl might have his hands a bit full, I think quite a few Dems are on to his little game. We’ll see if the worm will turn. I think a few warchests have been stocked up with some goodies.

Posted by: gergle at June 14, 2006 9:27 PM
Comment #157871

Kathy:

“I think Karl trashes so vehemently because he is grossly overweight and ugly as a mud fence.”

That’s funny! Yet, here we are, suffering through his emotional scars of being ridiculed on the playground in fifth grade!

Posted by: Tim Crow at June 14, 2006 9:32 PM
Comment #157900
What they want is what they have…a ton of Lady Clinton’s that going back in their own histories have stood on every side of every issue….you know depending on what the people want to hear at the very moment…but in reality the only stand they take is what is best for number 1…..themselves.

Exactly!!!

I mean, I think it’s about time we had a female president of the United States. I don’t care what anyone says: Women can be just as smart and qualified as men—especially the clowns we’ve had in Washington lately. But Hillary Clinton? She’s just a little too ambitious to do what no woman before her has ever done.

Hillary seems to think she knows what our country needs better than anyone else, and believes that she, among the hundreds or thousands of qualified politicians, is the only one who can do it. Is that really the sort of person we want at the helm of our federal government?

Not to mention that she’s extremely self-promoting. She spends almost all her time these days going to fundraising events dedicated to raising money for—you guessed it—Hillary Clinton. She’s always popping up in the news with a new initiative she’s spearheading or some kind of complaint against the president. I don’t want to use the B word, but she seems awfully bossy to head an executive branch that employs 450,000 people.

Sen. Clinton always wants to be throwing her opinion around about this bill or that law. I saw her on Meet The Press just last week. Every time Tim Russert would take her to task on one issue or another, she’d come right back at him with some sort of smart answer. She needs to learn that sometimes you need to just accept your place; it’s not polite to always act like you know things. Not to mention the fact that, as a working woman, she should take those precious Sundays to spend some time with her family, not to meet with the press on national television.

I’d rather see a female presidential candidate who wasn’t so focused on herself and her political aspirations. It seems like she puts a lot of thought into every decision that she makes, as if every little move were planned ahead of time down to the smallest little detail. It’s hard to pin down exactly why, but it just wouldn’t feel right to see someone who is so politically calculating win those precious 270 electoral votes in the next election.

Hillary doesn’t shy away from tough situations, as she proved with her health- care proposal during her husband’s first term. She likes to tackle the hard problems, no matter how entrenched the current failing system seems to be. Is it just me, or should the woman who overturns a 230-year-old tradition not have such a tendency to rock the boat?

Hillary has some very strong opinions, and she certainly doesn’t hesitate to voice them. She’s got an entire website dedicated to her positions on every last little thing. In debates, she always wants to have the last word. She’s in love with the sound of her own voice. That’s not the sort of person who should be in politics, much less the White House.

Do we really want the first woman leading the free world to be such an outright take-charge type?

What’s more, nobody asked her to run. In fact, a lot of people on both sides of the aisle don’t even want her to run, and many other politicians are planning on running against her. Yet she’s stayed in the race, blatantly ignoring the wishes of some people. Shouldn’t the first woman to break the gender barrier of the American presidency be the type of woman who listens to those who doubt her and bows to public opinion more often?

Ever heard of letting others take the lead, Sen. Clinton? If you’re going to become the first woman in the Oval Office, you should start thinking about acting a little more ladylike.

Posted by: T.Onion at June 14, 2006 10:36 PM
Comment #157915

Paul

It seems he worries you. I think I might actually see fear in this article. I realize that democrats are tired of losing but I am sure the democrats will be getting a lot more practice. Even if we did not have Karl but if he really is all that bad find some evidence and convict him. I know there is a prosecuter out there somewhere that would enjoy doing that.

Now I know you do not want a conservative to give you advice on how to win but here it comes anyways. (I do this because I know no one will listen)

Set (in detail) a plan on how this country is going to improve the one of the best unemployment this country has had in 50 years. Fix the tax system so that instead of having the debt reduced by half by the time Bush is out you can do better. (The new estimates on tax income is so high the government yesterday announced the reduction in debt). Tell us in detail how you are going to create a larger growth of our already growing economy. Show us how you are going to keep us safe from terrorism. After you do all this get your party on the same page and fight for it. I guarantee you would win. I just dont think it is possible. There is still to much bickering going on in the party (maybe next time but I doubt this time) Remembe Hillary got booed yesterday by liberals and there is not a conservative who will vote for her so….

Wait there is always Kerry again. I mean he is the one who talks about global warming (a liberal soap box) but he still drives that SUV of his no wait it is his wifes. sorry I forgot.

Which President has done most for alternative fuels… hmm oh ya Clinton…..ahhh Wait I was wrong it is Bush. Remember for the first time we have alternative fuels actually at pumps in some areas (and this during the reign of big oil).

Come on quit whining about conservatives and stand up and fight as one party that is your real problem.

Posted by: Randall Jeremiah at June 14, 2006 11:21 PM
Comment #157916

I love how excited the red posters are that KR isn’t being indicted right now. You’d think he owes them money or gay sex.
The fact that any citizens would defend this scumbag shows just how successfully we have been divided. Welcome, proles, to the gladiator show. Feel free to skewer each other.
This blog is so mundane. Off to read slashdot.

Posted by: Govt Skeptic at June 14, 2006 11:22 PM
Comment #157926

Karl Rove? Oh, that man has been involved in some mighty shady things in his past. Truth will out, eventually, but not while the Repubs run everything. That’s politics.

Maybe the Dems will get off their asses this election and start turning these Republican yahoos on a spit. It’s about time.

Karl Rove? I hate to quote Clint Eastwood here, but the man is a poster-boy for prophylactics. A mean-spirited verminous turd. Too bad he’s an evil genius. Unfortunately for him, the events of Plume and others have brought the fat cockroach out into the light now that he’s had to scamper out from underneath the refrigerator…er…White House. Guess that’s fortunate for us.

The trouble isn’t with Karl Rove: it’s with us, the Democrats. We KNOW he’s a complete pig piece of shit. Hell, there are probably a lot of conservatives that don’t care much for the man or his corruption. But, what exactly are we going to be doing to counter Darth Rove anyway? Where are the Karl Roves of the Democratic Party? Where are the knuckle-dragging simians of our grand political group? You want to win, you have to lower yourself to his level and beat him at his own game, otherwise he is going to derail our elections into lies about the patriotism of our our runners.

And Randall, you’re dead wrong. We don’t fear Karl Rove. We despise him and everything he does. He just happens to be very good at what he does, but then again, so was Goebbels. Doesn’t make him admirable. It makes him an implacable enemy that needs destroyed, simple as that.

Furthermore, the Democrats don’t fight as one party a lot of the time because, unlike most Dittoheads, we realize that the world is just not as simple as the “Decider” wants to believe it is. The people on this Earth and the things they do and the groups they get themselves involved with are just a bit more complex. A logical assumption while analyzing a group that makes everything out to be all black-and-white would be that they don’t think very well. Either they are lazy, greedy, corrupt or stupid.

If you fall into line with the leader when he spouts off bizarre statements, outright lies and oversimplifications of every topic he deals with because his mental faculties can’t do much else with them would be called sheep in my book. And when he shears us all, we have you to thank for it. We did our part to remove the dopey bastard, but failed. Close calls every time. But sheared we shall be. At least when I look at myself in the mirror to shave in the morning, I’ll not worry about whether or not I did my part to remove from this nation a blight that hasn’t been witnessed since Nixon.

Posted by: joshuacrime at June 14, 2006 11:58 PM
Comment #157934

Joshuacrime

I love the accusations. I notice that Democrats are very good at it. The more fear the more accusations. That seems to take the watching eyes off of how litte Democrats actaully accomplish and on a red herring.

Anyways I would not expect all the Democrats would agree on everything but there should be some subject that they all can rally around (other than hatred for a person) then leave the rest behind. That is how you are going to win. I do not just mean the white house but the senat or the house as well. I doubt it will happen Republicans are still doing quit strongly right now. This election will show something it is going to be interesting to watch.

Posted by: Randall Jeremiah at June 15, 2006 12:25 AM
Comment #157955

“It is really very humorous how far you all will go to try and find a problem with the current administration. Our country is on track…”.

And this from one who probably supported spending 70 million USD and eight years of an elected president’s term only to impeach for lying about a blow job……?

Posted by: expatUSA_Indonesia at June 15, 2006 1:48 AM
Comment #157962

“Get over it folks. The system has worked.”
yeah, and OJ never killed anyone.

Posted by: Thom Houts at June 15, 2006 4:14 AM
Comment #157986

All I can say about Karl Rove is that he is the devil in disguise. All Republicans who claim he is anything less are his disciples and are just as evil and vile. Your party claims to be moving the country forward but in reality we are moving backwards. The average median income for the middle class in this country has decreased by $2000.00 per year under this administration, health costs have risen 56% under this administration, the number of people living in poverty has risen under this administration. Not to mention the soring gasoline prices and everything tied to petroleum from soup to nuts. And speaking of nuts thats what any republican can call himself for considering we are moving in the right direction. What I really want to know from republicans is do you really have a moral conscience and how can you live with yourself for supporting organized crime in the white house?

Posted by: Vic at June 15, 2006 7:08 AM
Comment #157990

I think we should pause for a moment before we treat Karl Rove as a complete genius. He’s excellent at getting people elected, but he helped contribute greatly to the president’s problems, and those of the party.

He helped the Republicans pack the Senate and the House, but in the process he helped contribute to an imbalance that has made it very clear how far to the right the party has gone. Rove doesn’t care, but many of us do.

He helped push policies that are again, far to the right of the average citizen. This contributed to the current unpopularity of the party.

Additionally, the willingness on his part to skirt the law, and employ tactics of questionable morality and legality contributed both to his own troubles, and that of his party.

Political power comes at a price: you got to keep people happy. Rove’s political agenda, acted out, has not done so. Rove is not invulnerable, and his views, ultimately, are not America’s.

Posted by: Stephen Daugherty at June 15, 2006 7:47 AM
Comment #157992

In regard to the possibility of a civil suit against Rove, a couple of observations. First, not being a lawyer but having some experience in legal matters, I don’t see the basis for a lawsuit. Second, remember that the standard of proof in a civil suit is less than that in a criminal trial. In a criminal trial, there must be a showing of guilt beyond a reasonable doubt. In a civil suit, all that is necessary is that a preponderance of the evidence indicate blame.

And by the way, I am also of the opinion that both O.J. and Michael were guilty. But, I followed the trials fairly closely and in both instances had I been sitting on the jury, I would have voted not guilty. In both cases, the prosecution completely messed up.

Posted by: John Back at June 15, 2006 8:05 AM
Comment #158000

This was all blogged about months ago…

Dems/Libs will never admit that nothing happened and Rove is innocent…Because it can’t be, it just can’t be…

Get over it…

Posted by: Cliff at June 15, 2006 8:36 AM
Comment #158031

Is this the 2006 Olympic’s The true Americans have been getting win after win every single day for the past 10 days. that means the other team the liberal democrats have been losing every day for the last 06 years.Carl Rove gets a gold medal,George Bush takes The Gold,Ann Coulter gets the gold.Al-zarquai and the Liberal democrats take home with them how America really feels.

Posted by: lookingout at June 15, 2006 11:15 AM
Comment #158040

Randall Jeremiah,

“Fix the tax system so that instead of having the debt reduced by half by the time Bush is out you can do better.”

Answer me one question. An easy one….

What was our deficit prior to Bush being in office?

Posted by: Vincent Vega at June 15, 2006 11:36 AM
Comment #158042

lookingout-
It must take great effort and talent to be so consistently victorious. Your president is celebrating an increase from 33% to 37%. That’s your triumph. Your triumph is that Rove is off the hook for now, not that he was completely cleared of the allegations of leaking. Your triumph is that after two years of rampaging through the Iraqi population, killing thousands. Zarqawi is finally dead, and Iraqi troops are finally taking hold of Baghdad.

You know, I really do hope things get better. But that doesn’t change years of wasted opportunities.

Were I you, I would not settle for such low expectations. If you want to defeat us, do real good for the people out there, don’t just declare victories and slack off.

Posted by: Stephen Daugherty at June 15, 2006 11:43 AM
Comment #158050

Stephen I will not slack off until every liberal democrat in the United States Of America is ashamed to show their face in public.Which is getting easier every day>

Posted by: lookingout at June 15, 2006 12:04 PM
Comment #158067

“Fix the tax system so that instead of having the debt reduced by half by the time Bush is out you can do better. (The new estimates on tax income is so high the government yesterday announced the reduction in debt).”

Randall,

Search as I may, I can find no such newscast. Please inform me.

KansasDem

Posted by: KansasDem at June 15, 2006 1:24 PM
Comment #158083

I see that the EPI has undated it’s report:

What’s wrong with the economy?

http://www.epi.org/content.cfm/pm110

KansasDem

Posted by: KansasDem at June 15, 2006 2:10 PM
Comment #158090

What you are seeing on these blog cites today is a classic example of Cutting and Running by the liberal Democrats of the United States of America.If its good news for America the Liberal Dems.Dont want to talk about it.If you give them the House and Senate this is what you will see over and over again for they know not how to respond to serious matters.I’ve said all along the Dems. have no voice in this Country without the Liberal Media.Over the coming days you will see a complete turn around in reporting of the News as the media has been exposed.This is a good time to hold those responsible for the Lies coming out of Iraq and around the world.Do your part Block media outlets like MSMBC and A.B.C and C.B.S. from your televisions.Stop your subscriptions to all liberal News papers.Contact your REPs.and Senetors let them know that you are fed up and will not take it anymore.SEND A MESSAGE THAT YOU LOVE YOUR COUNTRY AND YOU bACK THEu.s.a. AND THE PROUD mEN AND wOMEN WHO SERVE.

Posted by: troll lookingout at June 15, 2006 2:34 PM
Comment #158096

Does anyone else hear that high-pitched whining sound? What the hell is that? Does it mean an earthquake is going to strike, or do we just need to swat some mosquitos?

Posted by: outlooking troll at June 15, 2006 2:49 PM
Comment #158108

Oops.

“I see that the EPI has undated it’s report:”

That should have been updated.

looking,

That whining may be your mind screaming at you to seek serious psychiatric help. I’m serious. Your posts get downright scarey sometimes.

KansasDem

Posted by: KansasDem at June 15, 2006 3:22 PM
Comment #158112

KansasDem,

Please don’t confuse me, outlooking troll, with troll lookingout! I am my own person!

I agree that troll lookingout’s posts are scary.

Posted by: outlooking troll at June 15, 2006 3:29 PM
Comment #158114

outlooking troll-Try to be a little more original.

Posted by: K.O.n5 at June 15, 2006 3:35 PM
Comment #158130

K.O.n5, How about setting an example? I don’t see your little post hemmoraging with originality.

Posted by: outlooking troll at June 15, 2006 4:19 PM
Comment #158149

Wow - so this is what it takes for REPs to rally around one of their own… HE DIDN’T GET BUSTED!!!!

So, it’s not about his intent (he did leak the name… he just forgot to tell the prosecutor about that particular phone call.) It’s not about integrity or bringing honor to the White House… it’s about winning - and that’s all it’s about.

Do - as far as I can see from posts here and elsewhere - I no longer have to prove that REPs have no interest in doing what helps anyone other than themselves - they have done it with their own words. Or would some REP actually like to take a swing at showing me where I am wrong with this?

After all - it’s not about doing what’s legal, it’s about doing what’s right.

Posted by: tony at June 15, 2006 5:04 PM
Comment #158153

Kansas Dem

I heard it on a news report but since it was on Fox I am sure it will get downplayed. I cant think of the name of the government office that handles that stuff but it should confirm it since they were the ones who published it and I think I was wrong about 50% heard it again last night and heard 2/3 not 50%

Tony

You seem rather sure of his guilt. Three grand juries and a prosecutor who really wanted his head could not do it. Please give them the evidence you have so they can finally catch him. I figure the way you are talking you must have a recording of that call he made. Post it on the net and be a hero.

Posted by: Randall Jeremiah at June 15, 2006 5:11 PM
Comment #158163

Randall -

Go read any news paper… he told a reporter about Plame and her husbands trip in a phone call after telling Fitzgerald that he had never had a phone call with the reporter. That was what he was going to get indicted for - and his excuse was that he forgot he had made that phone call - not IF he had made that phone call. Rove himself said that he was one of the sources for the leak.

So - he got a pass for omitting information to the jury. Who cares… really. He did what he originally said that he did not do - he was one of the two White House sources (the other was Libby.)

Ask youself one question: to you agreee with his actions? Does it bother you that he was one of the main backers of false information that lead us into the Iraqi war - and that the one who was telling the truth (Wilson) - Rove attacked him because the war was more important than the truth?

Posted by: tony at June 15, 2006 5:31 PM
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Tony:

The information we used to go to war with Iraq came from when Clinton was in office. The Senate and House committees that oversee our country’s espionage saw all the same information that the white house saw. That is why they are oversight commitee’s. The intelligence commitee members agreed with the assesment Democrats and Republicans alike. If I remember correctly Rockefeller agreed publically but behind the scenes desented or at least said he did.

I realize that the further away we get from all that people seem to forget where the information came from. (Clinton) If Bush lied then so did Clinton since a large amount of the intelligence came from his time in office.

I think we can all say that intelligence can be wrong. Obviously it was. There is a concept out there that maybe the stuff was spirited out since it was mobile anyways. They had months to get it out of the country. For your information I do not give a lot of credit to that theory but it is defiantly possible.

Posted by: Randall Jeremiah at June 15, 2006 7:07 PM
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Randall…

Wow - old arguments that have been disputed for so long, I can not imagine how they are still alive…

1 - Ever heard of “screwball”? Absolutely no connection to Clinton, however the large majority of intelligence that was used to support the Iraqi war came from him (yes, one person.) Did Clinton say that Iraq was trying to buy uranium from Niger… no, because it only exisited in someone’s warped imagination.

2 - Clinton did not take us to war on false intelligence, Bush did. I know it’s hard to face the fact that he is ALONE in making that decision, but he was. Congressional oversight… really??? They saw limited versions of the cherry-picked intelligence for 48 hours. They screwed up bad by writing the legislation that they did, but again they simply gave Bush the option of military force as a last option — where do you see them declaring war???

Yes, you are right, the further we get away from it all, the more people forget how things played out - but what I’ve stated above are fact. Read it - and stop trying to insuate that I speak falsly unless you provide specifics and proof.

Also, if you remember Colin Powells statement before the UN “Not only do we know that they have these, we know where they are.” If the WMDs were taken out of the country before the invasion - how do you justify such insane incompetence from the administration to let such dangerous material to simply slip away. Talk about taking your eye off the ball.

Posted by: tony at June 15, 2006 8:00 PM
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“Please don’t confuse me, outlooking troll, with troll lookingout! I am my own person!”

From where I’m sitting it feels like the attack of the clones.

KansasDem

Posted by: KansasDem at June 15, 2006 8:08 PM
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Really, everyone. I just have to do it. Ban me if you want.

What you are seeing on these blog cites today is a classic example of Cutting and Running by the liberal Democrats of the United States of America.If its good news for America the Liberal Dems.Dont want to talk about it.If you give them the House and Senate this is what you will see over and over again for they know not how to respond to serious matters.I’ve said all along the Dems. have no voice in this Country without the Liberal Media.Over the coming days you will see a complete turn around in reporting of the News as the media has been exposed.This is a good time to hold those responsible for the Lies coming out of Iraq and around the world.Do your part Block media outlets like MSMBC and A.B.C and C.B.S. from your televisions.Stop your subscriptions to all liberal News papers.Contact your REPs.and Senetors let them know that you are fed up and will not take it anymore.SEND A MESSAGE THAT YOU LOVE YOUR COUNTRY AND YOU bACK THEu.s.a. AND THE PROUD mEN AND wOMEN WHO SERVE.
This is the main reason why it’s illegal in most cases for cousins to marry. Posted by: joshuacrime at June 15, 2006 8:14 PM
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Tony

Just because someone says something is not true does not mean that it is not true.

I fully trust Collin Powell infact I would vote for him if he were running for President. I do not blame Clinton for the bad intelligence I just say that it was gathered during his reign and it was accepted then as credible and why would that suddenly change.

Even Kerry admitted voting for it but now wishes he did not. Yes most of the Congress was behind Bush for going to war with Iraq.

It has been said many many times from the President himself that Congress saw they same intelligence he did.

By the way Peter the President is allowed to de classify something. He holds the highest office in the land and he has the control in the end to declassify it if he chooses to. I am not saying he did we do not know and my never know.

Posted by: Randall Jeremiah at June 15, 2006 8:49 PM
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“Just because someone says something is not true does not mean that it is not true.”

What’s your point?

“By the way Peter the President is allowed to de classify something. He holds the highest office in the land and he has the control in the end to declassify it if he chooses to. I am not saying he did we do not know and my never know.”

Again, I’m not sure this is in reference to… The classified information that contained Plame’s name? That was declassified 10 days after Rove had his conversation with the reporters. Which brings an interesting point: since Bush declassify this information, why was he so baffeled as to who was involved with the leak of Plame ID? He knew who he gave permission to to distribute the information. Another lie or simply incompetence?

Posted by: tony at June 15, 2006 9:02 PM
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One can only hope the Wilon/Plame cabal is stupid enough to file a civil lawsuit against Rove. What do you suppose discovery would find? Can you just imagine the Liar Joseph Wilson being cross examined under oath by Rove’s defense Attorneys? I am willing to bet anything, these cowards will never face Rove in court. It would be the opportunity of a lifetime to put the lying face of the left on what they have tried to do. Criminal charges would follow. By the way, how do public servants affort the lifestyle the Wilson’s seem to enjoy?

Posted by: Zelsdorf Ragshaft III at June 16, 2006 6:13 AM
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Zelsdorf -

Very good - Rove would be proud. Throw accusations around, call people a liar and other names… ignore any facts or proof.

Hey, maybe if you continue to slam Wilson… maybe (just maybe) the uranium purchase in Niger will come true.

Please - replace the trivial name calling and baseless accusations with proof, and I’ll listen.

Posted by: tony at June 16, 2006 6:42 AM
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you know it really doesn’t matter…
at the end of the day… we all wake up and face our self in the mirror! we have to face our crimes & guilt. If we can take the blood on our hands then so be it! if we can’t we admit it and take our punishment like a human!

I believe that the Bush Regime is the worst thing that has hit this Country since The Mayflower!
we who lived here did no harm !
we followed natures way & we did not murder children or set up wars for profit. We did protect our families & our lands.
We obeyed the laws of nature.

Religion has been the cause of all wars, & mankind or MEN have been the ones to use it as their WMD … smallpox blankets ring a bell?
Trail of Tears mean anything to you republican assholes on this democratic liberal board? you blind idiots!
just because some one gets off because he is being investigated by one of his own.. doesn’t mean crap!
My people are the longest living people’s living in war camps in the world!
so don’t give me that AMERICAN FREEDOM CRAP again

we ZOOLANDERS know the TRUTHINESS……..
GUILTY AS CHARGED THE GOPERS SHOULD BE JAILED UNDER THE JAIL……..STARTING FROM THE RESIDENT DOWN TO THE LOWEST RUNG OF THE GOP LADDER… of idiots!

all you people do is : do as I say not as I do

meanwhile.. all you 18 to 50 year-old bastards on this board get off this computer & get your ass’s over to Iraq & kill……………NOW.. put your mouth where your ass is

zooly

Posted by: zooly at June 16, 2006 4:09 PM
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I always thought that Karl Rove looks like a closet lesbian!

Posted by: garbo at June 19, 2006 10:52 AM
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wow! zooly, that was quite a rant. so violent and judgemental. maybe religion isn’t the only cause for war since you are willing to kill your enemies for purely secular reasons.

war and conflict in general, arise from groups with competing needs for the same resources. in many cases a compromise may allow amicable settlements, but there are situations and conflicts in which neither side is willing or able to yield, such as when lifeways conflict. We are in a conflict like that now. The settlers who displaced the natives were also in a conflict over lifeways. As were the raiding indian tribes who slaughtered the agrarian tribes prior to the American/Indian conflict. Some lifeways can’t coexist under any circumstance so don’t lay war on the Republican doorstep. War and general injustice would still exist if there were no Karl Roves or George Bushes. The only difference now is whether we end up on the side that wins.

Posted by: goodkingned at June 20, 2006 4:36 AM
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BTW Zooly,

That whole infected blanket story is not true. Smallpox can’t be spread like that. It is true that native americans did contract diseases from contact with the european settlers, and vice versa, contagion was the unintentional result of exposure to new, unfamiliar strains of disease.

Posted by: goodkingned at June 20, 2006 4:40 AM
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