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I Agree with Rush!!

As a liberal, I never listen to Fox news, nor do I pay any attention to the smears gushing from conservative radio hosts. What’s the point? They are filled with lies, distortions and just plain hatred for anyone expressing any kind of liberal idea. So imagine my surprise when today, I accidentally found out what Rush Limbaugh thinks about the Jefferson affair. I discovered that I AGREE WITH RUSH LIMBAUGH!!!

Please note, all I did is sit down to read the paper, the L.A. Times. Naturally, the Times continued its coverage of FreezerGate. The headline said: "House Leaders Want Return of Items Seized in FBI Search." House Judiciary Chairman F. James Sensenbrenner announced he would hold hearings about what the bad boys of the FBI did. Speaker Dennis Hastert - with, unfortunately, Minority Leader Nancy Pelosi - said in a joint statement:

"No person is above the law, neither the one being investigated nor those conducting the investigation."

Then, I read more, and before I could stop myself from reading it, I read what Rush Limbaugh said about this situation:

"In essence, they're asking for themselves to be treated as an imperial body."

The miracle of the century! Rush Limbaugh agreed with me! Rush Limbaugh was criticizing Republicans! For imperialism, no less.

How many emperors can the country afford? We have one emperor called George. Do we need to add 435 more emperors? With so many emperors how do we figure out who's boss?

I can't get over it: Rush Limbaugh and I agree. I did not believe that such an event was in the realm of possibility. And yet it happened. Does this unusual event have a special meaning for all of us?

Yes, it does. It means that sometimes our greatest antagonist may be right - just like we always are. It warns us not to call our opponents stupid; it's possible they may agree with us in the future and that will mean we called ourselves stupid. Worse, we may change our minds and take the position of our current opponent; this will force us into the stupid position. We don't want to be stupid, do we?

I agree with Rush - on one point. I never thought it would happen, but it did. It can happen to any one of us. This is the beautiful brilliance of our cherished free speech.

Posted by Paul Siegel at May 25, 2006 5:20 PM
Comments
Comment #151354

Paul

The Emperor just ordered all records impounded for 45 days.

Per chance do you agree with him too?

You’d be on a streak,you know.

Posted by: sicilianeagle at May 25, 2006 5:35 PM
Comment #151364

This is by far the most bizarre twist. Clearly everyone is up to their necks in the corruption and scared out of their wits that they will be next.

Posted by: Mental Wimp at May 25, 2006 5:52 PM
Comment #151368

Having the records impounded for 45 days is actually a decent move on Bush’s part. I certainly don’t think it will impede the investigation at all, but it will allow any questions of impropriety to be answered. A much worse option is to allow the seized papers to be used in building a case and then thrown out at trial, or worse, on appeal.

What’s interesting is how quickly the Repubs began shouting about search and seizure when it came a little too close to home.

Posted by: David S at May 25, 2006 5:57 PM
Comment #151373

David S

That is a bit disengenuous to say the Repubs began shouting about search and seizure when it came a little too close to home. The dems shouted at the same time. Try to be fair and balanced.

That being said I agree they are trying to put themselves above the law and I hope that any who act in these manners be they Repub or Dem should be thrown out and not in a nice way. If they broke the law throw them in jail. I do not care who they are.

Posted by: Randall Jeremiah at May 25, 2006 6:12 PM
Comment #151374

Oh yes,scary business,this…Republicans of power don’t like that investigation business at all.Not when the skeletons are all but bursting from their collective closet as it is.Now we’ll have checks and balances,won’t we?When it’s convenient.Yup.

Posted by: Theresa at May 25, 2006 6:14 PM
Comment #151376

Waitamminit!~

You want to search MY home? You want to listen to MY phone calls? That’s unAmerican. We won’t stand for it!

Posted by: Max at May 25, 2006 6:22 PM
Comment #151377

It warns us not to call our opponents stupid; it’s possible they may agree with us in the future and that will mean we called ourselves stupid. Worse, we may change our minds and take the position of our current opponent; this will force us into the stupid position. We don’t want to be stupid, do we?

Paul (and the rest of the Blue Side),
Think about this the next time you decide to write an article about Bush.

Same goes for the Red side when writing about Democrats.

Posted by: TheTraveler at May 25, 2006 6:30 PM
Comment #151378

I wouldn’t be suprised if those records just magically dissapear after being in their 45 day long holding tank.

Posted by: einghf at May 25, 2006 6:45 PM
Comment #151379

“What’s interesting is how quickly the Repubs began shouting about search and seizure when it came a little too close to home.”

Seriously. And it’d be nice if ALL of Congress would now do the same for OUR rights under the Constitution.

“Think about this the next time you decide to write an article about Bush.”

No. Neocons deserve no such deference from anyone. Only true conservatives who know that Bush has nothing in common with them and with all our commonly and deeply held belief in the values and rights outlined in our Constitution deserve that kind of consideration. Bush and the rest of the Neocons have already proven what they are to us.

Posted by: Adrienne at May 25, 2006 6:45 PM
Comment #151381

I am not sure why so many here are focusing on the Republicans when it was a Democrat who was caught with $90,000 in the freezer. Now here is a question why would someone try to hide money in the freezer seems a bit cliche.

I would like those who are naming only Republicans in this scandal that is going on to be fair and say that so far the only one implicated was a democrat.

That being said I personally believe that corruption is rampant for both parties and that they all (with very few exceptions) should be thrown out on their tooshies.

Posted by: Randall Jeremiah at May 25, 2006 6:55 PM
Comment #151383

Randall:
“I would like those who are naming only Republicans in this scandal that is going on to be fair and say that so far the only one implicated was a democrat.”

A crooked Democrat. Who now needs to step aside.

Now, let’s see your side start admitting the same about Delay, Frist, and everyone connected who is to the Cunningham and Abramoff corruption scandals.

Posted by: Adrienne at May 25, 2006 7:03 PM
Comment #151386

If police could walk in your home at any time there would be nothing to prevent them from finding Rush’s heroin stash. I am outraged!

Posted by: Max at May 25, 2006 7:13 PM
Comment #151387

I will condemn anyone Republican or Democrat that is found guilty in these scandals that are going on now. I tend to think that there are many more on both sides. Remember there were many Democrats that also received money and favors from Abramoff. That being said I will wait for more evidence to come in to start slinging mud. i will sling when it does though no problem.

The only reason I say that the democrat should step aside is because of the money that was found. It is rather incremanating(sp) I do not think he should go straight to jail though just step down from his position temporary until it is cleared. Just like Delay did. I remember reading another Democrat who did that as well that is the proper way to handle these things until the are shown to be true or false.

Posted by: Randall Jeremiah at May 25, 2006 7:14 PM
Comment #151388

This ought to be something done rarely, when a strong case already exists, and alternative routes of investigation either strongly indicate there’s something to find, or no other choice to find out the truth. This is a move that should give us pause, if not chills down our backs.

I’m no fan of the guy. Lock him up, throw away the key. Same for any corrupt Democrat politician. Beam them up, too. I’d just as soon see my party clean of that kind of scum.

My point here, though, is that I will not trade corruption for tyranny. We don’t want Bush or future presidents blackmailing the legislative branch with threats of raids.

Posted by: Stephen Daugherty at May 25, 2006 7:15 PM
Comment #151389

Let’s face it, Bush is swimming in dirty money. I think it’s pretty lame that conservatives are crying now for their rights. What happened to “I have nothing to hide. People are welcome to search my home anytime.”

Posted by: Max at May 25, 2006 7:17 PM
Comment #151390

Once Rush got off the pain medications and the soft pastel glow of opiates began to remove itself from the Republican machine. It was obvious that as a rational man he would decry this foulness. It is unfortunate that he has been a boot-licking sychophant for so long that it really is on the same level as a mass murderer finally giving a sincere apology. Too little,too late.

Posted by: jblym at May 25, 2006 7:20 PM
Comment #151392

Stephen Daugherty

I agree. The judicial branch gave the search warrent only after i think about four months of asking (with a subpeona) for the documents but not receiving them. that is why they went into the office.

I agree any corrupt Republican lock him up and throw away the key. they degrade this great country we live in. This wonderful experiment that we are taking part of. I am most certain it is the corrupt that bring the division that we currently see in our country. the yell loud and long but lie in their speach. I look forward to the cleaning house for both Democrats and Republicans.

Posted by: Randall Jeremiah at May 25, 2006 7:21 PM
Comment #151406

NOTICE For any American . For our justice department that bought millions of E-mail and phone numbers that were paid for is no different than buying Known stolen property from any common thief’s Con. Any one should be prosecuted these new laws are not being designed for terror but for implementing fully the Gatt an NAFTA treaty that way we won”t get a chance to vote on them which is required by law .That change will make America an un sovereign Nation.

Posted by: David at May 25, 2006 8:48 PM
Comment #151409

“just step down from his position temporary until it is cleared. Just like Delay did”

Uh, delay only stepped down after kicking and screaming, trying to recind a law his own party passed, and continual denials of ANYTHING even mildly against the rules while claiming the prosecuter was working for Satan and it was all just an attack on his religion, while his party and followers fought to keep him in his post and exorciated the democrats for being on a “witchhunt”.
Not exactly similar to this situation.

Posted by: Norby at May 25, 2006 8:56 PM
Comment #151410

Randall J.: I could be wrong but I think you are. I don’t believe there is any evidence to suggest that Abramoff gave money and favors to democrats. He was strictly a republican agent who did everything he could to cut democrats out of the lobbyist money and jobs. However, many of Abramoff’s Indian tribe clients gave money to the democrats, in some instances, despite the objections of Abramoff.

If I am right about this, it is a minor distinction that doesn’t belie the fact most if not all of our elected officials take money from and are beholding to the corporations for the most part.

The fact that more republican officials are caught up in the favors for money and perks. is simply a result of the republicans being in control of Congress.

If any would doubt that the corporations are in charge, take a look at the immigration bill passed in the Senate.

One amendment introduced by Arlen Specter of Pa. at the last minute and passed call for consultations with the Mexican government before a fence can be built.

Posted by: jlw at May 25, 2006 9:01 PM
Comment #151412


I think that many on watchblog are realizing just how much contempt our elected officials have for their constituents. They have gerrymandered themselves for the most part safe districts. They are riding high on the gravey train and they shower their constituents with as much pork as they possibly can.

It seems to me that the search of Jeffersons’office was a wakeup call. I bet the paper shredders are working overtime and new hard drives are being installed.

Posted by: jlw at May 25, 2006 9:13 PM
Comment #151430

OR it is a continueing ploy to appear separated and independant of Bush for political reasons. They must figure GWB is dead meat. Good riddance to bad trash. Just watch out for the next neo-con they put up. Most likely a “maverick.”

Posted by: BillS at May 25, 2006 10:17 PM
Comment #151431

jc
Nonsense.Read a book.

Posted by: BillS at May 25, 2006 10:20 PM
Comment #151435

BillS,

You said: “Or it is a continuing ploy to appear separated and independent of Bush for political reasons.”

Right on the money but I think there is another factor too—Republicans are people not very well acclimated to thinking ahead. The preverbial “What if that happened to me” or “What if the shoe was on the other foot”. Unless ofcourse they’re mesmerized on the possibility of some gumshoe third world country half a world going to attack them with Nookya-ler capabilities.

I think Rush (republican media establishmentarian)not only wants to side with the republican constituency, lemme’ rephrase that, GROWING republican constituency that thinks Bush is a complete douchebag much the way we do. BUT also are seeing that the Republican movement especially in the Southwest are also very pro-privacy folk. Bush really lost ‘em when he began with the warrantless wiretapping because they really don’t want that so much either. They are very busy trying to sell automatic weapons illegally to school children in the name of Jesus and that would be too much of a speedbump. They hate anything that smacks of big gub’ment and Bush and all his activities smack of real big gub’ment, hence Rush is against it now—let’s play follow the ones who are following cuz they lost ‘em.

Posted by: Hereford at May 25, 2006 10:51 PM
Comment #151439

Paul Siegel,

Agree with Rush all you like but he’s only saying what he’s saying because little Republican peep has lost it’s sheople (they’re hangin’ out with the libertarians at this point I guess). They know this country has been going in the wrong direction and sliding a bit to the left is actually honing in on where middle might be along with their flock. Rush will undermine his own words in a week or two to support GW Bushit in whatever nonsense he’s embroiled in that week. He is not an indy player.

Posted by: Hereford at May 25, 2006 11:09 PM
Comment #151442
Hey Paul; its about time you guys realized that Rush spouts more common sense than anyone (liberal or conservative) on the air waves. Once you get through the obvious liberal baiting you will find he is the most intelligent fair and ballanced host on the radio.

Really? Even though he was high on a heroin-based drug the whole time? That he was doing enough of to go deaf?

Posted by: Max at May 25, 2006 11:20 PM
Comment #151447

Hey JC; You have really got to wake up, man. I have been getting the rap on this conservative-republican method of doing things since I was 5 years old back in the 50’s. IT STILL DOESN’T WORK! My point being, WHY DO I NEED TO LISTEN TO AN ASSHOLE LIKE RUSH LIMBAUGH TELL ME THE SAME SHIT I’VE HEARD MY ENTIRE LIFE! NONE OF THEIR IDEAS HAVE EVER WORKED! They do not know the meaning of the words compassion, compromise or tolerence. sk

Posted by: sk at May 25, 2006 11:51 PM
Comment #151452

JC,

Hey Paul; its about time you guys realized that Rush spouts more common sense than anyone (liberal or conservative) on the air waves. Once you get through the obvious liberal baiting you will find he is the most intelligent fair and ballanced host on the radio.

There’s always has o be one guy in the crowd that carries things one step over the edge of the sanity cliff. I sincerely hope this was sarcasm.

Posted by: gergle at May 26, 2006 12:06 AM
Comment #151466

They are filled with lies, distortions and just plain hatred for anyone expressing any kind of liberal idea.

Kinda like the liberal talk shows huh?

Yes, it does. It means that sometimes our greatest antagonist may be right - just like we always are.

You got that turned around there. ha.

You seem to be in the minority Paul, most liberals think that the FBI should’ve never investigated Jefferson to start with, much less raid his home and office.
Of course now, if he were a Republican that would be another story with them.
NOONE IS ABOVE THE LAW! Not you, me, the cops, the judges, the DAs, Congress, or the President.

Posted by: Ron Brown at May 26, 2006 12:47 AM
Comment #151467

Regarding “jc” I do not believe you can walk on water .Would like you to try something new. Do some research and discover why the Republicans have not controlled all branches of government for over, almost 80 years. If you have any intellect you will enjoy what you discover.

Posted by: David at May 26, 2006 12:48 AM
Comment #151470

I actually wish Rush Limbaugh were back on TV but still fat as hell. Am I the only one who wants this? The guy was frickin great and the ties were so gay looking for all his all white angry heterosexual male racist audience to buy up!

Whatever happened to the biased vitriolic monologues of the 90’s, must they always be on the radio now? We need a return to Rush or some other (hopefully fat as hell) bobble-minded Republican making our arguments for us without any opposing party and just blathering on about all them “liberals” like we swam here from some far away uncharted island were we all form drum circles throw money at each other. Like we aren’t Americans when in truth if we got rid of the electoral college they would never even see the oval office.

I yearn for those days but now it always has to have a dem in one corner—Viva la Rush el dim-witto!

Posted by: Hereford at May 26, 2006 1:00 AM
Comment #151472

Regarding “jc” I do not believe you can walk on water .Would like you to try something new. Do some research and discover why the Republicans have not controlled all branches of government for over, almost 80 years. If you have any intellect you will enjoy what you discover.I must have been (Rep)Bugged. Do you really think the voters will make the same mistake a third time.Have you ever heard of Tar and Feathered

Posted by: David at May 26, 2006 1:04 AM
Comment #151478

Ron Brown???

What liberal talkshows? I don’t know of any where there is just a Democrat or a group of them talking without opposition. You must have a different type of radio or TV than I do. We aren’t allowed to be represented anywhere in media because the corporations have deemed us not in keeping with what they want to do with or to this nation. We Mainstream Dems have no voice other than the internet anywhere.

If you by, liberal talkshow mean “Regis and Kelly” ummm Ron, that’s not really a Democratic talkshow.

Posted by: Hereford at May 26, 2006 1:17 AM
Comment #151480

And meanwhile in Louisiana, Democrats, Republicans and all the rest, are being admirably represented by a low life scumball who is hiding under alot of high sounding words and great concerns. Who cares? Afterall, it’s just for a month and a half. It’s not like he’ll use these 45 days to get his affairs in order and cover up his little bit of cronyism and corruption. It’s not like Louisiana needs to be getting ready for the hurricane season which starts on June 1st.

Oh wait, it is. Oh well, screw you Louisianians. Quit moaning about your legislative representation, there is a crusade to protect the crook who has been selling your interests and tax revenue for money and influence. If we don’t protect this crook, the other crooks in Congress will be vulnerable too and that is more important than any citizen rights.

Does that about sum up the real politic of this issue?

Posted by: goodkingned at May 26, 2006 1:33 AM
Comment #151495

It’s easy to see where this is going! Republicans surge to the fore to defend an obviously guilty Democratic Congressman Jefferson to prepare a screen for their own defense of malfeasance.

Posted by: telwidit at May 26, 2006 4:49 AM
Comment #151500

First of all, let me say I think Jefferson ought to resign his seat IMMEDIATELY. He says he didn’t do anything wrong, but apparently there are tapes to prove otherwise. If he IS innocent, he will be doing his party and his country more good by resigning and fighting his prosecution with everything he has. A not guilty verdict will be the equivilent of a guilty verdict on the executive branch that prosecutes him. Everyone assumes he’s guilty, and from all I’ve heard, I’d have to agree. BUT we haven’t heard everything yet. Oh what a dream come true if it came out that he was set up and guilty of nothing. In any event, he needs to devote his all to his defense.

On the other hand, if he’s guilty, he should resign immediately to minimize the dishonor he brings to his position and his party.

The raid on his office however is quite another issue. It was a clear violation of seperation of power. The legislative branch has it’s own powers of investigation, subpoena, search and seizure. By circumventing the constitutionally prescribed protocol for such an investigation, the president has once again displayed his arrogance and disrespect for the constitution.

That the Jefferson sting failed to maintain an arms length distance from Congress, as Abscam did in 1980, makes one wonder if the search of Jefferson’s office was REALLY a search for evidence in the case or something more politically sinister. The appropriate measure would have been to submit a subpoena and warrent to Hastert and have him initiate congressional warrants to seize specific materials. This would have kept the matter bi-partisan and preserved the sanctity of the seperation of powers, the same evidence would inevitably have been seized, and the risk of being judicially tainted would be nil.

Demanding the return of the documents does NOT express a desire to be treated as an IMPERIAL BODY… just as one of three seperate and co-equal bodies of American government.

Posted by: Thom Houts at May 26, 2006 5:44 AM
Comment #151504
I can’t get over it: Rush Limbaugh and I agree.

That just makes you both wrong, Paul. Remember this when — God willing — we get the House back and President Bush now has the power to seize any documents he wants from Congressional offices on whatever trumped-up charge he wants (some secret terrorist connection, no doubt).

President Bush’s action is un-Constitutional for a reason.

Posted by: American Pundit at May 26, 2006 6:01 AM
Comment #151512

Hereford
Did I say Democratic or did I say Liberal?
The problem is there aren’t really any conservative talk shows. We have plenty of Republican shows. But none of them are all that conservative.

Posted by: Ron Brown at May 26, 2006 6:56 AM
Comment #151515

Hereford,

Ever heard of AirAmerica? How about an entire network of Dems shooting their mouths off WITHOUT OPPOSITION. Since no one listens, though, I hear they may be going under.

Posted by: Duano at May 26, 2006 7:21 AM
Comment #151522

There’s always NPR, a publically funded liberal mouthpiece for at least thirty years.

Posted by: goodkingned at May 26, 2006 8:16 AM
Comment #151524

HOPE! That is what agreeing with Rush L. gives me. Imagine a country so fractured that the opposing parties start believing the SAME thing. It’s time to stop the name calling and back biting and get rid of the corruption and abuse of power. If this is the way it happens fine - whatever gets the job done. Now we can go back to a rational debate on running the country not running the country into the ground.

Posted by: kp at May 26, 2006 8:22 AM
Comment #151533

goodkingned,

Do you ever actually listen to NPR? They have a pretty peculiar format format for political argument: a intelligent, articulate liberal (or someone who against the Iraq War, etc.) dukes it out with an intelligent, articulate conservative. There is a moderator whose job it is to basically say, “Doesn’t Joe have a point, Jane? What do you think?” People speak at length and rarely interrupt each other. It’s freaky.

Posted by: Woody Mena at May 26, 2006 9:10 AM
Comment #151567

Off thread,sorry but now we have a CIA director that is legally obligated to follow Rumsfelds orders.Great, just great.

Posted by: BillS at May 26, 2006 10:45 AM
Comment #151585

Dincha hear,man? Hayden will be in no way under orders from the pentagon! Oh yeah,there’s a bridge in Brooklin going up for sale if you’re interested…

Posted by: Theresa at May 26, 2006 11:32 AM
Comment #151695

Duano,

Ever heard of AirAmerica? How about an entire network of Dems shooting their mouths off WITHOUT OPPOSITION.
It’s called fair and balanced. Conservatives have been shooting their mouths off WITHOUT OPPOSITION on radio for 10-15 years now.

Everytime I hear the rumor that Air America is going under, it reaffirms my belief that they’re here to stay.

Posted by: Introspective at May 26, 2006 3:48 PM
Comment #151770

I find it ironic that our congress is up in arms over this FBI action against one of their own, but for the most part silent about the NSA wiretapping our phone and e-mail.

Posted by: Ken Juakkuri at May 26, 2006 8:17 PM
Comment #151773

GOOD KING NED & RON BROWN,

Air America is on the internet only isn’t it? (either that or I can’t find it in my area) NPR is not “liberal” and PBS has an entire show devoted to the right-wing rantings of Tucker Carlson since those damn Republicans have threatened to cut PBS’s matched funding because apparently Sesame Street is teaching kids tolerance and multiculturalism or something. Okay so that leaves us with Bill Moyers and Frontline and I don’t think Moyers is on the air any more so there’s frontline which is not a talkshow.

So where is all this supposed “Liberal Talk” I keep hearing so much about?

Posted by: Hereford at May 26, 2006 8:22 PM
Comment #151776

Hereford,

Air America is on the internet only isn’t it?
No, Air America currently has 86+ stations around the country, and is also broadcast on XM Satellite radio.
Posted by: Introspective at May 26, 2006 8:31 PM
Comment #151973

Paul Seigal

There is a cure for the Limbaugh Syndrome. It’s called Al Franken!

Posted by: ulysses at May 27, 2006 5:46 PM
Comment #151975

William Jefferson, democrat, Louisianna for president! I like crooks that look like crooks, smell like crooks, and walk like crooks….if not president at least Hillory’s running mate! William Jefferson “cold cash on hand in freezer” is the man! If he can’t buy it no one can. Just think HIllary and Jefferson snuggling up to a long nite of poundering on long hard issues important to americans, like Wealth care, illegal borderjumping, free chicken in every voters pot, selling america to mexico for $20 bucks as long as we get to be in the senate for one more term, maybe we need to shitcan both parties and start all over.

Posted by: bill clinton at May 27, 2006 6:02 PM
Comment #152107

MABY THE REASON THE REPUBLICAN ADMIN ARE GOING AFTER A DEMOCRAT IS TO SHOW ALL CORUPTION IS NOT JUST ON THE REPUBLICION SIDE OF THE ISLE, THEY ARE TRYING TO OFF SET THE CORUPTION ANGLE SO THE DEMS CANNOT USE IT IN UP COMMING ELECTION.

Posted by: papa at May 28, 2006 10:32 AM
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