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I missed a documentary on patio furniture for this?

I would like to apologize to all Republicans for the obvious insult to to your intelligence and the insult to your ability to interpret politics and understand current events. The Presidents’s speech last night was at the very least an outragious slap in the face to members of his party and his die-hard followers.

There were many Republicans waiting to hear the President make a stand. Waiting for their fearless and brainless leader to stand firm with them in their time of need. They were counting on Bush to finally take the lead on an issue near and dear to them, sealing the border and keeping those foreigners out. The Republicans and those who still support this clown, once again had their collective noses shoved in it.

His speech can be broken down to this: We are considering the idea of sending a stretched-thin National Guard presence"temporarily", maybe, to ease the stress on the Border Patrol Officers by allowing the stretched-thin National Guard to do "administrative" duties that will, maybe, this is not set in stone, allow our Border Patrol more time to patrol the thousands of miles of border.
The President must really think you folks are gullible.

If any of you, whether you support amnesty, a wall, armed militias, electrified fence, a "death" laser or open borders, believe that this issue is coming up and being mishandled by the President for any reason other than politics, his assessment of his party is more accurate than I would have ever believed.

This is the 2006 Gay Marriage, Abortion "hot button" issue that the dividers(I meant decider) need to hold power.
They are using "illegal aliens" the same way they use 9/11.
Fear is a powerful tool. Any day now we'll hear that the Democrats are soft on "Bird Flu."
If there is serious punitive, monitary and legal, ramifications against those who hire illegal, undocumented workers(existing laws) there would be no need for this excercise in stupidity that is the Presidents plan.
We have immigration laws that are ignored. Why not just stop ignoring them?
Because it will clearly demonstrate the Presidents commitment to corporate America and his failure to secure the border. It would hurt the businesses that pay our government not to enforce those laws.
What's next? Will he propose the selling of the border to Mexico and have them take the responsibility of securing it?
He tried it with our ports.
The hyping of border security is strictly political.
Let's practice our Trent Lott like chants for November: Democrats are soft on gay, terrorist, abortionist, illegal alien, terrorists. They want to invite them into our homes and have them kill us while we sleep with their foreign flags of evil.(Not the Confederate Flag of Goodness)
Let's not fall for the rhetoric.
Let's not vote based on emotional, hot-button issues that are meant to divide and conquer.
Let's vote with our heads in November.
If you want a fence, vote for the guy/gal you feel will fight for that.
If you want open borders, vote for the guy/gal who will fight for that.
If you want a "death" laser, vote for Dr. Evil, no not Dick Cheney, the other one.
We need to make major changes in our government and how our government does business.
This November is important for all Americans. Don't be distracted and deceived.

Posted by Andre M. Hernandez at May 16, 2006 8:13 AM
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Good post, Andre. No doubt Republican leaders are manipulating this sudden illegal immigrant crisis as a political tool, but here’s the funny thing: It’s backfiring on them.

Illegal immigration split the Republican Party so bad that they had to kill their own immigration reform bill last month.

Democrats are solidly in support of the Senate bill that locks down the borders and digs the illegal immigrants out of the woodwork, but Republicans just can’t get their act together.

Republicans could have passed an effective immigration reform bill last month, but they’re too busy… Christ, I don’t even know what they think they’re doing.

Posted by: American Pundit at May 16, 2006 11:17 AM
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Help me out here with your thoughts of what should happen with regard to illegal immigrants.

I know you don’t like the idea of a physical fence, and prefer the idea of a “virtual” fence, but you seem on track with the idea of stemming the flow of illegal border crossings in some fashion. I think I’ve got that part correct.

I’m unclear what you think should be done with the illegals in the country now. Deport them, grant them amnesty, phase them in….not sure what you consider the correct move.

If deportation, how? If phasing them in, how to do so without being unfair to those who have gone the legal route? What about illegals in the US who have children who are American citizens—what do we do with them?

IF you get a chance, I’d be interested in your thoughts. There undoubtedly are additional questions I haven’t asked—feel free to give your complete thoughts. Thanks

Posted by: joebagodonuts at May 16, 2006 11:29 AM
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JBOD, you got the first part right. We need to lock down the borders. As for what to do with the 12 million illegals already here, well, we just don’t have the money or manpower (or political will) to deport them all. And though I don’t favor instant amnesty like President Reagan did, I do think it’s beneficial for America to phase the working illegals into the system somehow (guest worker, work visa, long path to citizenship, whatever).

America will be stronger when the borders are properly patrolled and the illegals who are already working here start paying taxes and stop undermining American wages.

That’s the gist of the Senate immigration reform bill that the Republicans authored and all the Democrats supported. Too bad Republicans couldn’t get their act together to pass it right then. Now months will go by as Republicans argue amongst themselves and who knows if they’ll ever get around to dealing with it.

Posted by: American Pundit at May 16, 2006 11:46 AM
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BTW, I’ve been hearing analysts (and Republicans like Hagel) all day saying the National Guard plan is unrealistic and will probably never happen.

Posted by: American Pundit at May 16, 2006 11:49 AM
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American Pundit,

Exactly. This President must think we’re all morrons.

Posted by: Andre M. Hernandez at May 16, 2006 11:59 AM
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The base cause for illegal immigrants is illegal immigrant employers. Until the US is serious about making it economically painful to the employers, the demand for the illegals services will not abate. As long as there is demand, there will be supply regardless of how many National Guards, vigilantes, or others try to seal a border which has been porous for centuries.

Set up stiff fines on business which could lead to imprisonment and you’ll see only legal immigants employed with both paying their shares of taxes, SS, and insurance.

Posted by: texex at May 16, 2006 12:22 PM
Comment #148647


Thanks for the response. I’m reasonably in agreement with you, though one concern I have in allowing existing illegals to become citizens is that its unfair to those who have waited and waded through the legal version. There ought to be some reward for doing things the right way, not the wrong way. But I don’t see booting all 12 million illegals (or whatever number) out of the US, either logistically or economically.

Thanks for helping me understand your thoughts.

Posted by: joebagodonuts at May 16, 2006 1:34 PM
Comment #148659


Unfortunately, the right way to “get in” is no way. You can’t get in without “special skills” and cleaning 6 rooms an hour doesn’t cut it. It was left this way specifically to enable certain classes of businesses to get poeple to work at below market wages.
If you want to get illegal immigrants to move out, remove the incentives:
(a) No automatic citizenship for being born in the US. (Maybe require your parents be citizens.)
(b) Punish the employers.
When incentives are gone, so will the problems.

Posted by: Dave at May 16, 2006 2:34 PM
Comment #148661

Sorry… jbod

Posted by: Dave at May 16, 2006 2:35 PM
Comment #148703

Andre, good advice to the public, “don’t be deceived”. Absolutely right. They should not be deceived into thinking immigration troubles will go away with Democrats in office. Democrats will just exchange one set of horrendous national problems with another set. Their ideological wing will guarantee that as the ideological wing of the GOP has done to Republicans.

First up, if Democrats get in, don’t look for bipartisan solutions, LOOK FOR PAYBACK. Don’t look for real campaign finance reform or real ethics reform, Dem’s and Rep’s are in bed together on those. Don’t look to Democrats to balance the budget, there’s all this pent up desire to save Medicare, Social Security, Schools, Veterans, Immigrant workers legal and illegal, and of course repacking the Supreme Court. Don’t look to Democrats for a solution to Global Competition, they were all for NAFTA, GATT, and other free trade agreements which were always followed by deepening trade deficits, and export of American jobs.

See, Democrats are beholding to special interests and wealthy donors, and lobbyists just like Republicans, and Democrats will put their power before the nation’s needs or her people. That is why there is a 3rd Party/Independents column which thrives and carries its own weight on this WatchBlog site. Democrats are not the answer to all of American’s needs any more than Republicans. Almost 50% don’t vote, and the majority of them are not lazy. They just don’t believe they have a viable ballot choice for a better future for them and their children and their grandchildren.

Power corrutpts. And it only takes one election after achieving power to begin corrupting the party in control. Now if Democrats would address that issue in their reforms, they might find they outnumber Republicans 5 to 3 in this country. But that ain’t gonna happen. 50% don’t vote, and Dem’s, and Rep’s fight over a 2 to 3 percent difference in voters (swing voters) between them.

Posted by: David R. Remer at May 16, 2006 5:20 PM
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Frankly, I think this is all a shiny watch, like Andre says, to distract you. After the noise, and the Republican victory, nothing will be done differently.

Walls have never worked throughout history. If you want to shut down the border, reinstate the draft and deploy the marines.

As politically distasteful as it is to the campaign coffers, going after the employers will solve the illegal problem. Amnesty after a period of showing worthiness to be a citizen is fair and realistic. We don’t need a guest worker program, we need employers to stop screwing their employees, and being offered subsidies to outsource slave labor.

Posted by: gergle at May 16, 2006 6:04 PM
Comment #148752

The Mexican portion of immigration issues are Clinton’s fault because of NAFTA.

“Any day now we’ll hear that the Democrats are soft on Bird Flu.”
This is also Clinton’s fault, the memo was on his desk – “Contryless Avian Terrorist Determined to Strike Within the United States” and he did nothing.

Posted by: europheus at May 16, 2006 8:13 PM
Comment #148753

As for Bush’s main offering on immigration:

“Well, the National Guard is really, first of all, not trained for that mission,” Chertoff told O’Reilly. “I mean, the fact of the matter is the border is a special place. There are special challenges that are faced there.”

Chertoff added that that it would take a huge amount of National Guard troops, that they would need new training. But couldn’t the National Guard pull it off, O’Reilly asked?

“I think it would be a horribly over-expensive and very difficult way to manage this problem,” Chertoff said. “Unless you would be prepared to leave those people in the National Guard day and night for month after month after month, you would eventually have to come to grips with the challenge in a more comprehensive way.”

Posted by: tony at May 16, 2006 8:16 PM
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Step 1. Stop sending information as to the whereabouts of the minutemen to the Mexican Government.
Step 2. Cut out the nonsense about bio cards and go after the employers of illegal aliens.
Step 3. Keep going after the employers of illegal aliens. Raise wages,benefits by law. Stiffen penalties, jail time for the corporate bosses that dont get the message.
Step 4. Get a couple units of our new and improved “quick strike” military units to be on call for the times the drug smugglers and Mexican military cross our borders. Fight them with a vengence, shoot first, stop them now, send the message we will not tolerate this crap for another day.
Step 5. Beef up the local and state police to fight the gangs that have infiltrated the country. By beef up I mean support with national guard, military and additional police to fight these people. They are in this country illigally they have no rights, if they do pass alaw to take them away.
Step 6. To catch those that are trying to come across the border and havent got the message, Use the border patrol to supervise and train, let the politicians that came up with the idea to use the National Guard, as “backup for administrative issues”, non violent volunteer inmates from the Prison system to asist in tracking down the runners. Give em good time for there effort reduce there sentence and fill their cells with the gangs and smugglers.
7. And for goodness sakes pass some decent laws that will allow people to immigrate legally even if they dont have advanced degrees. Look at the numbers if we need more people to keep our economy going decide as a nation to up the numbers of people allowed in so we can have a more crowded but economically strong country or look a a substainable economic policy and say the country needed immigrants for the last 200+ years but now we dont.

Posted by: j2t2 at May 16, 2006 10:23 PM
Comment #148794

Step 8 as the people return and cross the border back to Mexico and points South, give a gun, a little training and some special forces to assist and let them fight for a Democracy in their home Country, yes export a democratic revolution to Mexico, Central and South America. let them run Fox and his corrupt aristocracy out of Mexico.
I know, I know they are a democracy of sorts but would you want to live in that 2 tiered economic system if you were in tier 2?

Posted by: j2t2 at May 16, 2006 10:29 PM
Comment #148866

The immigration issue is just another way for Bush to keep the fingers pointing somewhere else. Maybe if it didn’t take a decade or more to become a legal citizen less people would hop the fence. Why wait in line to get in the club if the back door is propped open. How many American companies have hopped the fence going into Mexico, maybe we should charge them with treason for abandoning American workers for cheap labor and far less stringent emission laws. I live in an area teeming with immigrants, and they are proud, hardworking people. I am friends with many and if I were you I would be far more afraid of the thugs in the white house than the poor, challenged souls trying to find a better life in our wonderful country.

Posted by: Scott Burgoyne at May 17, 2006 6:55 AM
Comment #148886
I would like to apologize to all Republicans for the obvious insult to to your intelligence and the insult to your ability to interpret politics and understand current events.

I’m sorry, Andre, but I’m afraid that Apology just won’t do for Conservatives.

(Too many multi-syllable words.)

Posted by: Betty Burke at May 17, 2006 8:03 AM
Comment #149168

If you think these mexicans are poor think again!
they just live within thier means No $500,000.00 mortage, No wallet full of credit cards,No
living pay check to pay check to keep up with the people next door.
Actually going on a summer vacation with the children!
If the illegal’s are doing the jobs americans wont do and the jobs that make up the middle class are moving to other countrys…..what’s left?
AMERICA… FOR SALE….to the highest bidder!
And it doesent matter who is in the elected office’s…they are going to do whatever it takes to get in for another term

Posted by: george at May 18, 2006 8:34 AM
Comment #149175


Rumor has it (See Pennsylvania)that the anti-incumbent movement is upon us.
I hope so.

Betty Burke,

I try to be nice.


Everything is Clinton’s fault, right?

Posted by: Andre M. Hernandez at May 18, 2006 9:04 AM
Comment #149540

An amusing little editorial from the heartland.

Posted by: Tim Crow at May 19, 2006 4:43 PM
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