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Report: Rove Indicted on Friday

According to an online report Karl Rove, President Bush’s most prized possession, was indicted on charges of perjury and lying to investigators.

The online report, TRUTHOUT, reports that Rove was indicted on Friday, yet no one else is reporting on it.

Sources said Fitzgerald was in Washington, DC, Friday and met with Luskin for about 15 hours to go over the charges against Rove, which include perjury and lying to investigators about how and when Rove discovered that Valerie Plame Wilson was a covert CIA operative and whether he shared that information with reporters, sources with direct knowledge of the meeting said.

If this is true, this should be huge. Maybe there's some backdoor deals that are holding off the official announcement.

According to Bob Cesca on HuffingtonPost, he's attempting to track down a confirmation.

But the truthout story states a delay in announcing the indictment will come out this week.

An announcement by Fitzgerald is expected to come this week, sources close to the case said. However, the day and time is unknown. Randall Samborn, a spokesman for the special prosecutor was unavailable for comment. In the past, Samborn said he could not comment on the case.

i wonder what this will do to both the upcoming election season (as Rove's role recently was reduced to a Party advisor) and Bush's approval ratings. One can only image how low the approval numbers could go.

i guess we'll see.

Posted by john trevisani at May 14, 2006 8:22 PM
Comment #148165

Best news I’ve heard in years…if it’s true. Now if we can only indict Bush, Cheney, and Rummy, we’ll be ok.

Posted by: PoliticalCritic at May 14, 2006 9:00 PM
Comment #148169

Wonder what the Spin will be?

“I have no knowledge…”
“It depends on what ‘is’ is…”
“This is a vast left-wing conspiracy…”
“This is all part of Executive Privilege…”

and so on…

Posted by: Aldous at May 14, 2006 9:05 PM
Comment #148170

Valerie Plame was not a covert agent. She was never “outed” by anyone. All who belive she was are just grasping at straws. Believe and promote something worthwile for a change. Maybe then someone will listen.

Posted by: Keith at May 14, 2006 9:06 PM
Comment #148173


yea .. right

Posted by: tony at May 14, 2006 9:10 PM
Comment #148177


Indeed. Too bad nobody bothered to tell the CIA Plame wasn’t covert. Then the CIA wouldn’t have asked the Justice Department to investigate.

Posted by: Aldous at May 14, 2006 9:16 PM
Comment #148178

And too bad Libby and Rove didn’t just tell the truth - since this was all a bunch of nothing - and then they wouldn’t be facing jail time.

Posted by: tony at May 14, 2006 9:21 PM
Comment #148182

Make sure someone tells the prosecutor, Fitzgerald. After all, he is a Republican.

Might be tough communicating with the CIA. The #1 and #3 have resigned under scandal after purging other CIA members who placed objectivity over political loyalty. The #2 person also resigned, for reasons unrelated to scandal.

Funny, for an administration committed to protecting us by spending money on “defense,” there sure are a lot of scandals related to corruption and war profiteering.

Hope no one is too fond of the Republican Chairman of the Armed Services committee, Duncan Hunter. He will be gone soon. Same with Republican Jerry Lewis, who chairs the House Appropriations committee. There is a veritable conga line of corrupt Republican congressman queing up.

They can spend their free time with Tom DeLay and the former Secretary of the Interior, Gale Norton. If nothing else, all these Republicans sure collected a lot of money at public expense. Paging Senator Ney… Paging Senator Ney…

We will see on Rove. Jason Leopold from Truthout has been wrong before. However, he is being awfully specific, and Rove just cancelled a speaking engagement for tomorrow. We will see.

Posted by: phx8 at May 14, 2006 9:35 PM
Comment #148184

Correction: Representative Ney. And just to clarify, unlike so many other Republicans, Ney did not trade his vote for a hooker, not even a gay hooker. Senator Ney is implicated in the Abramoff scandal. I do not think he received anything but money. It seems a shame, since so many other Republicans received both money and hookers. Makes you almost feel sorry for the guy. Oh wait. There were the trips & the gifts… & whispers of huge payoffs to one of his staffers, courtesy of Diebold, & whispers of deep involvement in fixing the Ohio election…

Posted by: phx8 at May 14, 2006 9:43 PM
Comment #148191

Slowly but surely the cabal of liars and thieves is falling apart. One can only hope that the American public will heed this wakeup call and not allow the Oval Office to be upsurped by “never do wells” again.

Posted by: David Lambert at May 14, 2006 10:13 PM
Comment #148192

Great, another Republican conspiracy to have to make excuses for.

It sucks being a Republican sometimes, but somebody’s got to do it, right?

Posted by: Alex Fitzsimmons at May 14, 2006 10:17 PM
Comment #148198

If Plame was not covert and therefore not outed why would anyone in W’s Administration lie and cover up? Just for practice?

Posted by: j2t2 at May 14, 2006 11:05 PM
Comment #148206


So why did Bush say he would fire whoever leaked the name? Speaking of… kind of funny timing him no longer working for the White House, huh? What a coincidence! If Bush was involved, do you think he should fire himself?

Posted by: Max at May 14, 2006 11:30 PM
Comment #148211


No need for them to practice lying… they’ve got it down to an art…. bad art, that is….

If we’re lucky, we’ll now be seeing the utter destruction of the GOP and its return to junk heap of history along with Hitler and the other fascists….

I guess these guys will at least be able to keep each other company in prison…. someone should tell them to be sure and bend over for the soap!

Posted by: Dr. Poshek at May 14, 2006 11:34 PM
Comment #148220

Also, they are re-investigating Cheney!

Posted by: Max at May 15, 2006 12:18 AM
Comment #148232


Thank you for this article.

I asked on Stephen’s last article,
“I wonder how accurate Truthout is on this?

Karl Rove Indicted on Charges of Perjury, Lying to Investigators


Posted by: KansasDem at May 14, 2006 08:48 AM”
Everyone was too busy arguing and debating about why and how much Bush & Co. are “over the line”.

Bulletin: It doesn’t matter “how far” over the line they are!

The line was crossed when they ignored the intelligence that could have prevented 9-11!

The line was crossed when they lied about the WMD threat in Iraq!

The line was crossed again when they “outed” a covert agent of the CIA to discredit a report exposing their lies.

The line has been crossed nimerous times regarding the FISA law.

The line has been crossed by implementing a “backdoor draft” and ignoring the needs of our brave fighting men and women.

My message to the NSA, if they’re listening is: “tell the President to resign”! Take Cheney with you! We’ll settle for a dumb ass country bumpkin!

How damn much is it gonna take?


Posted by: KansasDem at May 15, 2006 3:05 AM
Comment #148258

I was starting to wonder that there were no sexual scandles… I mean, there are always sexual angles to power related scandles… right? Then of course, HOOKERGATE came out… it all makes sense now. I was worried - kind of figured that given the extreme secrecy involved in all of these scandles… I thought that maybe they were keeping the blowjobs amonst themselves. (really bad visual - I’m glad it can be dismissed.)

Posted by: tony at May 15, 2006 8:10 AM
Comment #148259

KansasDem asked:

How damn much is it gonna take?

The Tree of Liberty is watered with the blood of Patriots and Tyrants; it is its natural manure.
- Thomas Jefferson

I have read a Fiery Gospel
Writ in burnished rows of Steel:
‘As ye deal with my contemners,
So with ye my grace shall deal;
Let the Hero, born of Woman,
Crush the Serpent with his heel,’
Since God is marching on.

- Julia Ward Howe

Find the cost of Freedom
Buried in the ground:
Mother Earth will swallow you;
Lay your body down
- Stephen Stills

Posted by: Betty Burke at May 15, 2006 8:15 AM
Comment #148263

I’d say - rather than giving these guys jail time - let’s send them Iraq, kind of the Dirty Dozen type deal. You guys survive active combat for a year, and you get to come home. They were so much in favor of this war when they had nothing at risk, let’s see how happy they will be to be real Americans - and fight in their own damn war.

Posted by: tony at May 15, 2006 8:40 AM
Comment #148265

Someone above asked what impact Rove’s indictment will have. The impact on November’s elections is likely to be devastating for Republicans. Just 6 weeks ago, I was arguing that the scandals were going to have an impact on the House of Representatives races. If however, Rove is indicted, I would now add that the GOP should fear for the Senate more than the House.

Gerrymandering directly impacts races for the House. But, its effect on state wide Senate races is far less. If there is a reverse coattail effect resulting from Rove’s indictment, I now believe it could catapult the already negative Republican polls into an effect that sends the Senate to Democrats. I have looked a the Senatorial Race map yet, so this is speculation and depends on how many contested Republican Senate seats are up for grabs and in what states.

Texas for example, has been in recent a staunch Republican state. However, given the overwhelming success of independent candidates in overcoming their signature petition hurdles for getting on the ballot, it would appear Sen. Corynyn and Sen. Kay Baily Hutchison seats could be heading toward Democrat challengers, given Texan’s new sentiment embracing anti-incumbency and rejecting in ever larger numbers the Republican party on security issues like failing to secure our borders, the Dubai deal that wasn’t, and the failure of Republicans to make good on their words about the Iraq invasion and war.

Texans take security very, very seriously, and it is now up to Democrat challengers there to demonstrate they will be tough on Security including a border barrier to halt the illegals, and that they have a plan for exiting Iraq with some semblance of dignity for America still intact. A tall order, to say the least. But, 6 months ago, one could not realistically even consider Texas going Democrat again. Today, that is very much a question for debate.

Posted by: David R. Remer at May 15, 2006 8:45 AM
Comment #148267

I’ll believe it when I see it…

Posted by: Woody Mena at May 15, 2006 9:01 AM
Comment #148283


If we sent them to Iraq, many of them would have a heart attack during just boot camp, and I’m pretty sure that the goal was to punish them not to kill them (even if in some peoples eyes they deserve it). Not just that but you get a dishonorable discharge for adultry… They wouldn’t last a week.


Posted by: einghf at May 15, 2006 10:45 AM
Comment #148284

Just a couple of observations while you all try to destroy each other.

1. There has been no confirmation that the story is true. I would suggest we wait until there is an official announcement before we wet our little pants.

2. Even if the announcement is true, an indictment is not a conviction. At least, in theory. Actually, we love to jump from indictment to’s makes us feel soooo much better and far superior to the lying, scheming, lawbreaking (fill in your favorite party to hate).

Posted by: John Back at May 15, 2006 10:49 AM
Comment #148297

Even if convicted, he’ll get a pardon, just like the 140 felons pardoned by Clinton.

This practice is the epitome of the elitist, arrogant, and crooked government we have.

It does not even matter that some of those felons pled guilty.

And, we send these crooks billions in campaign money and keep re-electing them?

Instead, we need to start holding them accountable.

Do you think that would have any impact?

Posted by: d.a.n at May 15, 2006 11:26 AM
Comment #148304

It’s the same thing the Repubs did to Clinton. They hated him, and once they caught him lying under oath, they went after him for it. Didn’t matter that his “crime” wasn’t a crime at all.

Posted by: David S at May 15, 2006 11:53 AM
Comment #148316

Just a thought,

Given the BushCo ability to rapidly assualt, discredit, and otherwise slime anyone in the public areana who even suggests anything anti-BushCo (yeah yeah, long sentence…)
Why hasn’t the WhiteHouse attacked the rumor as untrue?
Perhaps they can’t hide from this one?

Are you implying that publisizing the name of an undercover agent of the CIA is not criminal?

Posted by: Dave at May 15, 2006 12:42 PM
Comment #148334

Just a thought, Bush Co is ignoring this latest development….they believe if they ignore it, it will just go away. They are not in touch with reality!

Posted by: tinkabell at May 15, 2006 1:27 PM
Comment #148347


Maybe Bush is clicking the heels of his Rovy Red slippers together as we speak?

Posted by: Dave at May 15, 2006 2:41 PM
Comment #148355

3:30 pm Eastern and NO Rove indictment. How surprising!

Here is the point where I knew this was wishful thinking and not real reporting:

“According to Bob Cesca on HuffingtonPost”

Everything after that is just fantasy.

Posted by: David C. at May 15, 2006 3:34 PM
Comment #148356

David S.

You’re right of course. Republicans, had they any balls whatsoever, would have indicted and convicted Clinton of treason for selling missle secrets to the Communist Chinese, via Loral. All it did was make their nukes 10 times more accurate than they previously were. Nothing for us to worry about. Besides, the head of Loral was a huge contributor to Clinton and the Democrats. That makes it A-ok!

Posted by: David C. at May 15, 2006 3:39 PM
Comment #148376

David C,

Clinton should still be doing time.
Now to address the club that this current administration and congress have placed in the hands of the Chinese.
Our current spending frenzy is being financed by the Chinese buying up our debt. They hold the lions share, and if they wish to topple us all they would have to do is unload all of it on the open market at the same time.

This is the hammer we put in thier hands. Much more effective than any missle and quite a bit easier to push through the international community.

Posted by: Ted at May 15, 2006 5:43 PM
Comment #148378

Get over the Chinese. We hold the exact same hammer over them as they hold over us. We are becoming so tightly entwined with the Chinese economy that we cannot function without them, and they cannot function without us. It is an economic version of MAD, Mutually Assured Destruction. Globalization works.

Posted by: phx8 at May 15, 2006 5:47 PM
Comment #148383


OK, I am willing to learn. Do you have any numbers for this?
I understand that we are thier major market but would the be able to survive an econmic retaliation after such a first strike?

Posted by: Ted at May 15, 2006 5:59 PM
Comment #148384

Sorry, poor education.
Let’s try “economic”

Posted by: Ted at May 15, 2006 6:01 PM
Comment #148394

This is from a US gov site:

“U.S.-China Economic Relations
U.S. direct investment in China covers a wide range of manufacturing sectors, several large hotel projects, restaurant chains, and petrochemicals. U.S. companies have entered agreements establishing more than 20,000 equity joint ventures, contractual joint ventures, and wholly foreign-owned enterprises in China. More than 100 U.S.-based multinationals have projects in China, some with multiple investments. Cumulative U.S. investment in China is estimated at $54 billion, through the end of 2005, making the U.S. the second-largest foreign investor in China.

Total two-way trade between China and the U.S. grew from $33 billion in 1992 to over $285.3 billion in 2005. The United States is China’s second-largest trading partner, and China is now the third-largest trading partner for the United States (after Canada and Mexico). U.S. exports to China have been growing more rapidly than to any other market (up 28.4% in 2003, 20% in 2004, and 20% in 2005). U.S. imports from China grew 18% in 2005, bringing the U.S. trade deficit with China to more than $200 billion.”

In addition, the Chinese hold large amounts of US debt. Someone joked that if the Chinese invaded Taiwan, the US would have to borrow the money from China to defend Taiwan; and the US has already borrowed so much, the Chinese would have to agree to lend the US funds to defend Taiawan against China.

A good book on the changed relationship between the US & China is by Thomas P.M. Barnett, “The Pentagons New Map.” It is a book about strategy in the 21st century, and you can probably find it in the library.

Posted by: phx8 at May 15, 2006 6:32 PM
Comment #148401


Thank you,
I will see about the book.
I still have a great deal of doubt ( maybe my own anti-communist “boojums” are still coloring my judgement I did enlist in the eighties)
Actually one of my chief concerns is to have so much tied up with the worlds only long-term planners.

Posted by: Ted at May 15, 2006 6:48 PM
Comment #148411

I have to say that the Barnett book changed my thinking about China. Like you, I served @ 20 years ago, & automatically viewed China as an enemy. Although I will never trust that government, I am convinced China is not an enemy-more like a competitor, one who is not necessarily a good sport.

Posted by: phx8 at May 15, 2006 7:13 PM
Comment #148432


Your wrong on this one. If you go back two weeks to Meet the Press, you will find an interview with Mr. Wilson and a CIA employee. The CIA employee said, when Valire Plame was outed by the administration, our country lost a huge section of our inside info on Iran’s weapons system. Plame was one of our country’s foremost experts on Iran and their desire to make WMD’s.
The insider further said, Mrs Plame’s cover was that of a CEO of a large company doing business with Iran. (Of course this was a dummy company) Not only was Mrs. Plame’s life in danger, but so were all of the spy’s working for the dummy company.
We want to think because she wasn’t working on WMD’s for Iraq that she wasn’t under cover, nothing could be further from the truth. Plame was undercover and we know less today about Iran because Bush and company played politics with the war and Plame.
We can argue as to the importance Plame played for the CIA and if the president violated any laws. But saying Palme wasn’t undercover is like saying the stripper in this Duke investigation was only a stripper so therefore it is “OK” to rape her…

Posted by: Rusty at May 15, 2006 8:12 PM
Comment #148479


Oh yeah, and its: “NUCLEAR,” not “NOO-KEW-LUR.”

Christ, if you can’t even demonstrate Awareness of the language how the hell are we to believe you aren’t ignorant about everything else, as well?

Posted by: Betty Burke at May 15, 2006 9:48 PM
Comment #148504

I stand corrected.
I appologise for my poor spelling.
It might interest you to know that my right wing credentials are as lacking as my command of the english language.


Posted by: Ted at May 15, 2006 10:31 PM
Comment #148530
It might interest you to know that my right wing credentials are as lacking as my command of the english language.

Posted by: Ted at May 15, 2006 05:43 PM:

Clinton should still be doing time.

Gee, you could’ve fooled me…

President Bush-1 bailed out the Savings and Loan Industry, including nearly 2 Billion Dollars for his son, Neil Bush - and yet you think President Clinton should “still be doing time” for lying about a Blowjob in a Deposition (not a Trial) in a Civil Case not a Criminal one) which was subsequently summarily dismissed by the Judge for lack of evidence.

Yeah, you’re hardly Right Wing. Sure.

Posted by: Betty Burke at May 15, 2006 11:39 PM
Comment #148554

Keith, are you working for Karl Rove!

Posted by: Jim at May 16, 2006 7:07 AM
Comment #148581

David Corn heard the story as well. He decided to take a stab at Rove during a recent Q&A.

Here’s a link to a video showing Corn’s Q&A.

Here’s David Corn’s account.

Posted by: john trevisani at May 16, 2006 10:05 AM
Comment #148645

A mainstream news organization is now reporting on this story. MSNBC is reporting:

At a Michigan Trial Lawyers’ Association dinner Saturday night in Dearborn, Mich., the group’s vice president Robert Raitt announced — according to the Detroit Free Press — that President Bush’s longtime strategist had just been indicted.

But when i continued my research, i found that the dinner reception did occur on the date and time that the MSNBC piece says. i also found that Hillary was in attendance (she was keynote). And Robert Raitt is a VP of the lawyers association and that he announced it to the crowd after Gerry Acker, a Southfield trial attorney and prominent Democratic fund-raiser, mentioned Rove’s indictment. And evidently, by Sunday, Acker told Brian Dickerson of the The Detroit Free Press that he had passed along the report of Rove’s indictment after hearing it from Mark J. Bernstein, an Ann Arbor lawyer whose resume includes a stint in the Bill Clinton White House.

Posted by: john trevisani at May 16, 2006 1:31 PM
Comment #148656

Alex Fitzsimmons,

I used to think that way too…not anymore. It isn’t necessary to be Republican at all anymore. they’ve more than blown it. Join us on the left. You will find a great deal more reasonable, thoughtful, practical thought about how things ought to be solved for greatest benefit of every aspect of the country than you might expect based on what the right has been dishing out for so many years. Join us in the light of day. The wacky aspects of the Dems are no where near as dangerous or narrow minded as the wacky aspects of the right, now are they? Join us.

Posted by: RGF at May 16, 2006 2:28 PM
Comment #148685


I do not excuse Clinton’s lies to the grand jury any more than I excuse this frauds lies and excesses.
I hold them to the same standard. Whether a politician is someone I voted for or not I do not deffend malfeasence in public office.
As far as the doing time thing, I cannot think of one president in the last 40 years that should not have left the oval office for a 6x9.

Posted by: Ted at May 16, 2006 3:46 PM
Comment #148761

“I hold them to the same standard.”

My wife just hit the nail on the head (after discussing our current politic al mindset - fighting people who are so concerned with whether this is all illegal or not/let the court’s decide):

“It’s not about being legal, it’s about doing what’s right.”

OK - you can argue whether what Rove and Libby did was legal or illegal - but who can argue whether it was the right thing to do?

Laws and jurys effect the individual - doing what is right (or not) affects us all.

Posted by: tony at May 16, 2006 8:39 PM
Comment #148770


Thank you. That is all I have ever done.
The illegalities of their mis-deeds are probably never going to put them away, however, we can still judge them by simple right or wrong standards and hold them accountable to us.

Posted by: Ted at May 16, 2006 9:16 PM
Comment #148776

So what GIVES, Has he (Karl the doll) been indicted or not????
When will we know ??

Posted by: Bob Kraham at May 16, 2006 9:24 PM
Comment #148884

Tick… Tick… Tick…

Posted by: Betty Burke at May 17, 2006 7:59 AM
Comment #149357

10:33 pm Thursday May 18;
Still waitin’ on that indictment fellas. What’s up? Ok, we’re gonna go to the Home Depot, you know if we have time… Keep me posted!

Posted by: David C. at May 18, 2006 11:35 PM
Comment #204051

the liberal appeasers are still crying because they cannot come up with any solutions to combat the terrorists. Bash, bash, bash is all they have.

Posted by: paul barnes at January 19, 2007 6:50 PM
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