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The GOP and Exxon Mobil

I read in the Washington Times that while congressional Republicans and Democrats in both the House and Senate promised to roll back billions of dollars in tax breaks for major oil companies, the House changed their minds on Thursday.
House Republicans refused to go along with a proposal that called on House members to accept a Senate-passed repeal of $5 billion worth of oil industry tax breaks.
A resolution urging House negotiators to accept the Senate tax proposals failed 232-190, with only two Republicans voting for it.


Meanwhile, in the Senate, GOP leaders unveiled a 10-point plan aimed at soothing the growing election-year public anger over high gasoline prices.
It included a $100 fuel-cost rebate for millions of taxpayers and proposals to rescind oil industry tax breaks enacted only eight months ago, and other measures.
But the plan also called for opening an Alaska wildlife refuge to oil drilling - a longtime goal of several large oil companies operating on the Alaska North Slope - to the consternation of many Democrats and moderate GOP senators, who long have opposed such a move. The drilling provision all but assured the package would have a tough time getting approved. (Nice try though)
Democrats, meanwhile, talked of suspending the 18.4-cent federal gasoline tax for two months to ease Americans' pain at the pump.
Energy Secretary Samuel Bodman said the Bush administration is “analyzing them.”
'' Bodman said, ``and everything that can be done, that we know that works, this president is doing.''
Despite the House vote, the oil industry tax breaks that were being negotiated between the House and Senate were ``still on the table,'' said Sen. Charles Grassley, R-Iowa, the lead Senate negotiator.
Senate Democratic leader Harry Reid of Nevada called the tax breaks ``unnecessary and unwarranted'' when oil companies are reaping billions of dollars in profits. The oil industry has strongly opposed the inventory tax change, arguing it amounts to a windfall profits tax.
Congressional anxiety in this election year only grew this week as major oil companies began announcing huge first-quarter profits. Exxon Mobil Corp. on Thursday said it made more than $8 billion during the January-March period, the fifth largest quarterly profit for any public company ever. (applause)
``While Exxon Mobil executives are popping champagne and celebrating their record profits, American families are popping antacids under the strain of searing gas prices,'' Sen. Bob Menendez, D-N.J., said.
Menendez proposed a 60-day suspension of the 18.4-cent federal tax on gasoline and 24-cent-a-gallon diesel tax. Revenue lost to the government, as much as $6 billion, would be made up by removing some oil-company tax breaks, he said.
The GOP and Exxon Mobil a Partnership for America’s Future

Posted by Andre M. Hernandez at April 28, 2006 5:01 PM
Comments
Comment #143948

“It included a $100 fuel-cost rebate for millions of taxpayers..”

I am puzzled by this. I thought the Republican party was against government spending. Did I miss something? How are we supposed to pay for this? Please tell me we will get it from Iraq. At least I have heard that lie before. I can’t handle any more new lies this week.

Posted by: Vincent Vega at April 28, 2006 5:41 PM
Comment #143949

In november we have an opportunity to send them all packing. I have begun making up “Will Obfuscate For Food” signs to give them as they depart.
Seriously, did anyone honestly believe that any of these legislators would stand up to the oil lobbies in favor of mere voters?

Posted by: Ted at April 28, 2006 5:42 PM
Comment #143951

It’s time to change the lackies running things in congress and the senate. These elected officials have done NO GOOD in years and it is only getting worse. It’s time for Americans to lash out and take control of this country once again. Vote for new candidates in November. Lets clean house!!!

Posted by: fuzzwart at April 28, 2006 5:48 PM
Comment #143954

“I can’t handle any more new lies this week.”

OK - here’s something I’m sure will feel right at home…

http://thinkprogress.org/2006/04/28/prostitutes-six-members

Now - THIS is the good old fashion DC behavior I’m use to. SEX FOR VOTES. YEA! It doesn’t get any more American that this!

Posted by: tony at April 28, 2006 5:52 PM
Comment #143962

Of course - to be fair - here’s a recent story of 5 DEM Congressmen being arrested:

http://www.mercurynews.com/mld/mercurynews/news/14453843.htm

Of course - they were protesting the genocide in Darfur - at the Darfur embassy. But they were breaking the law - so it’s the same as the “SEX FOR VOTES” thing, right?

Posted by: tony at April 28, 2006 6:34 PM
Comment #143965

MORE GOOD NEWS!
Rush limbaugh is under arrest for Fraud.
Life is good!
More GOP morality displayed.

Posted by: Norby at April 28, 2006 6:36 PM
Comment #143968

Norby:

Link on the Rush Limbaugh thing?

Posted by: Aldous at April 28, 2006 6:50 PM
Comment #143969

Aldous:

I got it as an email: CNN Breaking News.

Posted by: womanmarine at April 28, 2006 6:55 PM
Comment #143970

Aldous…see abcnews.com

Posted by: Burt at April 28, 2006 6:56 PM
Comment #143971

I watched the oil companies testify before a congressional committee (can’t remember which one). They ALL testified they didn’t need the tax breaks. So what’s the problem?

Posted by: womanmarine at April 28, 2006 6:56 PM
Comment #143973

Didn’t Rush just tout FDA findings on marajuana on his show?????

“Pot” and Kettle………

Posted by: Ted at April 28, 2006 7:01 PM
Comment #143977

What’s amusing about this situation and the calls for suspension of gas taxes and tax breaks for Big Oil, is that it is a typically short-sided approach that mirrors the colossal short-sidedness of US energy policy in general.

The short-sidedness endemic to the situation? The belief that the Invisible Hand of the Market would dictate when we started the shift to alternate fuels. Because of the North Slope and North Sea discoveries of oil in the 80’s, the scare of gas lines and OPEC in the 70’s was forgotten, because oil got cheap again. Now, those discoveries are on their last legs, demand is going through the roof via the Asian economic boom, and oil discovery is not keeping up with demand. This is why many oil executives over the last 5-10 years have been quietly retiring, with their multi-million dollar golden parachutes. They know a losing propositon when they see one.

This is why capitalism cannot be expected to oversee government, and why government should always control business—capitalism worries about the next quarterly report, the investors at the end of the fiscal year. The foresight and planning needed to ameliorate the painful shift from oil to alternative fuels has not been forthcoming from the government ( and certainly not from the oil industry), in large part because of the corporate stranglehold on the federal decision-making process. An example: mass transit is going to be fundamental in any transition this country makes in the next 10-20 years. The unbelievable deterioration of the nation’s railways has now reduced this important form of mass transit to a conditon that, as James Kunstler has said, “Would be an embarrassment to even a third-rate nation like Bulgaria.” The Bush administration has consistently and myopically nixed any federal efforts to refurbish the declining rail industry—yet Bush blusters about getting the country off of Middle east oil.

This is why pure capitalism, like unadulterated communism is failing— the drive to make money superceeds everything—environmental law, individual rights, workers’ rights, the social contract, democracy, and even the simple belief that to live well, to live happily, entails living within one’s means.

We as a country are already behind by 30 years in our efforts to face this enormous problem. And we’re going to lose another 2 1/2 years until we finally get rid of Bush/Cheney and their pack of crony oil barons. Meanwhile, China is quietly lining up oil deals with Nigeria, Canada, Iran and Venezuela. And they hold nearly a trillion dollars in US treasury notes to boot.

Sure, lets give everybody a $100 to defray those nasty trips to the pump. Ludicrous!

Posted by: Tim Crow at April 28, 2006 7:11 PM
Comment #143979

Good lord! I come up with a link to a bizarre - front page kind of scandle, it’s only one a several…

Posted by: tony at April 28, 2006 7:13 PM
Comment #143996

the plan also called for opening an Alaska wildlife refuge to oil drilling
Posted by Andre M. Hernandez at April 28, 2006 05:01 PM

F*ck that bullsh*t, see

http://www.oilonice.org/
The oil from the Exxon Valdez has never even been completely cleaned up,
and someone from the UCSantaBarbara told me there is still goop on the ocean floor from way back in 1969.

Posted by: ohrealy at April 28, 2006 8:22 PM
Comment #144014

Enough of your Bulgaria bashing!

Posted by: BillS at April 28, 2006 9:46 PM
Comment #144021

the Rush Limbaugh link

and in other news Mexico just legalized Drugs for personal use.

Posted by: reed at April 28, 2006 10:10 PM
Comment #144031

Great post Tim Crow, I agree with you completely. The government on behalf of the people has simply got to sometimes lead the way by demanding what is wise and cost effective from the market. This is quite obviously true of good new energy alternatives which might drastically reduce our use of oil, and it is also true regarding the pressing need for affordable healthcare insurance and meds.

Rush Limbaugh (big, fat, idiot,), prescription drug addict. It looks like he’s definitely going to get off though. Does this mean that other ordinary people are going to be able to make use of the Limbaugh-Rehab Defense to keep themselves from going to jail when they are busted for abusing prescription drugs? Or will this only apply if one happens to be a famous rightwing loudmouth?

As for the new GOP sex scandal — Sex for Votes! (quicktime clip) That’s so catchy a phrase that maybe they can use it as a campaign slogan in November!

Posted by: Adrienne at April 28, 2006 11:45 PM
Comment #144043

$100, how long will it take you to spend that at the pumps? I recently took possession a 06 Hyundai Elantra that I had cosigned for. The 14 gallon tank was almost empty and took 13.5 gallons to fill. 13.5 X 2.889 = 39.01. 100 divided by 39.01 = 2.57 fill ups. A lot of cars have a bigger tank like my 300C with a 20 gallon tank. If it went down to a gallon left before being filled it would take 19 gallons to fill. 19 X 2.889 = 54.90, or 1.83 fill ups.
Sure eases the sting at the pump don’t it?
Meanwhile Exxon Mobil has posted an $8 billion profit for the first quarter of this year.
How many times will $100 fill the tank of a Rolls Royce?

Posted by: Ron Brown at April 29, 2006 12:21 AM
Comment #144057

BillS:

In my defense, it was Mr. Kunstler that “bashed” Bulgaria—and it was a rather round-about complement actually. I’m sure the train system around Sofia beats ours around Newark….

Posted by: Tim Crow at April 29, 2006 1:07 AM
Comment #144065

Peak oil, Fox News-style. If these people see a problem….


http://www.foxnews.com/story/0,2933,193624,00.html

Posted by: Tim Crow at April 29, 2006 1:54 AM
Comment #144107

Fox News is never right, they must be lying. There is plenty of oil, but they want us to believe there’s a shortage. They’re protecting BIG OIL…

Posted by: Cliff at April 29, 2006 8:53 AM
Comment #144108

Too bad Rush is a conservative, otherwise he would have been considered a victim in all this.

Posted by: indy at April 29, 2006 8:55 AM
Comment #144122


Indy: You should pay more attention to Fox News. Rush is a victim. So is the republican congress and the White House . They are victims of a vicious liberal press, vicious liberal prosecutors and vicious liberal judges. Where I live, several doctors have gone to prison for pill pushing. But, the pill pushers are getting smarter. They know that law enforcement doesn’t do much without at least a 6 month investigation. So, a doctor will roll into town,set up shop and then pack up and move to the next town in 5 months.

Posted by: jlw at April 29, 2006 11:08 AM
Comment #144126


The President and Congress will do a lot of talking but do very little because there is very little they can do. We the people painted ourselves into this corner and we must find a way out of it.
8 billion divided by 100 million cars = 80 dollars per car.

Posted by: jlw at April 29, 2006 11:26 AM
Comment #144127

“Meanwhile Exxon Mobil has posted an $8 billion profit for the first quarter of this year.
How many times will $100 fill the tank of a Rolls Royce?”

The question is: how much will the $100 add to next quarters profit? They are giving us $100 to spend at the pumps - right?

They will not recend the $5 billion is tax credit to the oil companies, and it seems most of their solution tends to add more profit to the oil industry…

hmmmm

Posted by: tony at April 29, 2006 11:56 AM
Comment #144128

Al Gore in ‘08.

He was against the war in Iraq.

He’s against the Patriot Act.

And you know he hates big oil and carbon dixoide.

Elinor Cliff seems to think he has a shot.

Posted by: bigkenzombie at April 29, 2006 11:59 AM
Comment #144144

Saying,
Whatsa matta?
Your hero is a druggie so you lash out at democrats?
I have PROOF rush is an addict.
You have any proof of YOUR accusations?
Didn’t think so.
You know, you’d fit in much better over at yahoo.
You could think up a real clever screename like “demssuck”. The level of debate over there is right up your alley.

Posted by: Norby at April 29, 2006 1:43 PM
Comment #144147

I would love to see Nancy polosi,Barbara boxer,Harry reed,Al gore,John kerry,Give up their medical record’s.Imagine the hundred’s of valium these folks must pop in a day’s time.Harry Reed pop’s them on the senate floor while on camera.How many times you think Rep. mckinney and al sharpton smoke crack a day?And hillery what’s her drug of choice? I’m guessing Absolute vodka straght.

Posted by: mystified at April 29, 2006 1:50 PM
Comment #144151

Mystified: I would love to see George Bush’s medical records. A cocaine and alcohol addict until the age of 40, then praise the lord born again. You do coke and alcohol for 20 or 25 years and your brain is fried. My father only did alcohol for 20 years and his brain was fried.

Posted by: jlw at April 29, 2006 2:06 PM
Comment #144153

8 billion divided by 100 million cars = 80 dollars per car.

Posted by: jlw at April 29, 2006 11:26 AM

Good point jlw. Now all they have to do is get it up to $100 per car.


The question is: how much will the $100 add to next quarters profit? They are giving us $100 to spend at the pumps - right?

They will not recend the $5 billion is tax credit to the oil companies, and it seems most of their solution tends to add more profit to the oil industry…

hmmmm

Posted by: tony at April 29, 2006 11:56 AM

And someone once told me your weren’t the sharpest knife in the draw. Reckon they were wrong.

Posted by: Ron Brown at April 29, 2006 2:13 PM
Comment #144155


Ron: $100 rebate= at least an extra billion maybe 2. They can give the rebate and then cut food stamps. Exxon needs the profit more than poor workers need food.

Posted by: jlw at April 29, 2006 2:47 PM
Comment #144158


I know, you can’t cut food stamps in an election year. Can you say republican raise the minimum wage bill in October.

Posted by: jlw at April 29, 2006 2:53 PM
Comment #144173

I heard a rumer that Exxon Mobil put its hand into its corporate pocket and found Bush and Cheney.

Isn’t that the subject we started on, not pointing fingers concerning drug use.

Posted by: C.T. Rich at April 29, 2006 4:28 PM
Comment #144185

If it weren’t so pitiful, this entire subject would be laughable. The oil companies feed the public garbage and our politicians + all the “it’s economics 101” fanatics regurgitate stupid.

Blame China, blame India. They’re sucking it up at an ever-increasing rate and it’s causing prices to rocket. Blame Hurricanes Katrina and Rita for the outtage of refineries and loss of drilling platforms. Blame the environmentalists and their insistance on special ethanol treatments. Blame the failure of congress to get permission to invade Alaska (speaking of which, whatever happened to that fantastic, never have to worry about oil again Alaskan Oil Pipeline?). Blame the auto manufacturers for failure to expedite more fuel efficient vehicles. Blame scientists for failing to speed up the alternative fuels arena and the feds for inadequate research monies. Blame the American public for being addicted to oil.

Did I miss anybody who’s to blame?

Don’t you dare, however, blame our fearless leader or congress for their addictive natures demonstrated in silly little things like jetting to Crawford because some incompetent bumpkin forgot to order an absentee ballot. Or cute little friendship demos by our esteemed vice-president, like jetting to Houston to host a fundraiser for the Tom DeLay defense fund. I’d wager that fuel wasted by government employees (congressmen, presidents, vice-presidents, cabinet officials, etc. exceeds the consumption and money spent in the entire city of Houston, and that’s a pretty big city with lots of gas stations. Jimmy Carter at least wore a sweater and ordered thermostats turned down in federal buildings and the purchase of more economical gov’s. Bush gives one of his repugnant silly grins and lets you know there will be no sacrifices within the government ranks, thank you very much for not even suggesting such an insane idea. And whatever you do, do not blame the oil companies. Poor, pitiful scapegoats. Retiring CEO has $400 million whether you like it or not. It’s hard work to think of lie after lie to feed the public.

Unfortunately, I don’t like to travel the poppy-filled path to Oz that has been laid out by self-serving politicians and fanatically-greedy oil dynasties. Veering off the path and peaking behind the curtain of the master manipulators is a truly dirty scene of rape and pillaging of the American public.

It is not a matter of “how stupid is America”, but rather a matter of “what are you going to do about it, oh powerless ones”?

Reality. There has been investigation after investigation into oil company pricing, the most recent report published in 2002. The prognosis was something is amiss in oil land, but the committee could not quite put their finger on any illegal or unethical behavior. We do not need another investigation. The investigating has been done. There are no new answers to be had. There is, however, a different bottom line answer to be had. We are being gouged.

One would think our leaders were bastions of intellectual abundance (GW Bush excepted, of course). There are law degrees, business degrees, economics degrees, degrees ad infintum within the ranks of our renowned representatives in the District of Corruption. So why can’t they admit what we already know? Drum roll here, please. Caught Microsoft doing it, caught Enron doing it, caught electronics giants doing it, and went toe-to-toe, nose-to-nose in court battles. Price-fixing, price gouging, fabricated shortages, strong-arming competition.

Instead they come up with totally asinine solutions to try appeasing their constituents without angering big oil. $100 rebate for taxpayers? Mr. and Ms. Representative, we ALL pay taxes - at the pumps, at the stores, on property. Even poor folks who don’t make enough to file income taxes are still doling out large amounts for taxes. Why should you even consider taking America’s money to try and make up for the damage caused by big business? Go after the business. If they’re above-board, fine, eat it, America. But be honest. They are far from innocent of wrongdoing. Tax big oil more? Well, that’s really intelligent. They’ll just raise the prices higher to compensate for excess taxes, and the contribution is just more money to go into the Iraqi bottomless pit.

Wasn’t it the late 70’s when Jimmy Carter caught the oil boys holding tankers off-shore to manipulate shortages and gas hikes? Only difference between then and now is then they actually carried the pretense far enough to make it believable. Gas stations ran out of gas; long lines ensued; no matter the price, we just needed gas. Now they are not even pretending to give evidence of gas shortages. Other than a little ethanol problem on the East Coast and during Hurricanes Katrina and Rita when millions left town simultaneously, where are the shortages?

Why have refineries (big one in California comes immediately to mind) taken equipment off line and according to secret internal memos leaked to the press, artifical shortages being created?

If anyone argues the manipulation and strong-arming, get a retailer to be honest with you. I was astounded to hear several relate their tales of being threatened with supply cut-offs if they did not stay within a few cents of the other local stations. Ever wonder why we don’t have gas wars anymore, those fun things where a competitor sold gas below cost to attract new customers? I believe WalMart and the grocers still do that quite often. Be quiet, though. If they go into cahoots, we’re really screwed. No help from Congress, as demonstrated to date.

OPEC - nothing but an appendage of the oil giants. War, Iran, world shortages? Bull and hockey. Sure glad there’s no OPEC for other life necessities. Yes, oil is pretty much a life necessity whether you own a vehicle or not. It controls the price of everything else in life. It’s kind of hard to put the fresh produce on the mass transit system and ship it nationwide. That battery being charged to run that cute little prius. Wait, how many power plants rely on oil to supply the electric to charge the battery for that Prius?

Most everyone has worked with that person who appears to be busy all day long, but at the end of the day, you find they’ve accomplished nothing. Many of them wear brown noses and were born with excessive amounts of suck-up hormone. That pretty much describes our current federal government leaders.

Anyone who believes the evade and baffle ‘em propoganda put out by the oil thugs and forced on the public by the congressional do-nothings deserves George Bush as President.

Posted by: Kathy at April 29, 2006 5:07 PM
Comment #144233

Kathy,

You go girl, I applaud you. I’m just too tired and lazy.

My daughter and I sure got “dressed down” at the senior center today. There was a get-together equivalent to a father/son or mother/daughter school thing but this was to address the growing financial problems of the elderly and disabled in this community.

The first issue being addressed was the Medicare Part D Program. Well, guess who’s fault it is that the program’s a mess? The Democrats of course! This is Kansas. My attempt at speaking out about that revealed me as one of those vile liberals.

The next was home heating and cooling. Yep, all the Democrats fault. Same with the elimination of the monthly USDA food parcels. There was also ample time to blame us democrats for not supporting the troops.

The worst came over rising gas prices. My daughter is at the lowest possible level of “middle management”. She manages a regional group of convenience stores and three of her employees were there with their parents. Talk about getting lambasted, WOW!

My daughter doesn’t set prices or wages. She’s told me over and over how hard it is to keep help in these stores at the wages they pay. I know she’s tried and tried to get upper management to up the wages. Sheesh, she’s hardly overpaid, her salary is $42,000.00 a year and she uses her own vehicle with no company reimbursement for mileage or squat.

The complaints we heard from her employees were, (1) Having to drive 10 or 15 miles to work a 6 hour shift @ $6.25 per hour, (2) Having to put up with the complaints of customers, and (3) Having to pay nearly $3.00 per gallon for gas, like she can control the price.

Being “bashed” as hard as we were for being Democrats actually did amaze me though. I’m somewhat used to it, but the way they put my daughter on the spot was terrible. You would almost have thought she was being asked if she were a Nazi or something.

And it makes me sad that being outskoken about my liberal beliefs has probably harmed my family.

KansasDem

Posted by: KansasDem at April 29, 2006 9:11 PM
Comment #144247

Hate, fear & lies (swiftboating), the Republican way. Kansas feels it, as do all the red states. It’s not because you are outspoken, Kansas Dwm, it’s because they have a lynch mob mentality. Rove has won…there is no more America. That’s the way Cheney/Bush wanted it. Now, we all have to live with it.

Pretty soon Democrats will have to sew little donkey patches onto our clothing…Sieg Hiel!

Posted by: Marysdude at April 29, 2006 10:25 PM
Comment #144250

Kansas Dem,
Thanks for the interesting post. My father-in-law & I used to argue political issues- he’d take the part of the conservative Republican, me the bleeding heart Democrat- and as a first generation immigrant with a background in international business, he often tossed out interesting observations.

For example, one time he said:
‘I don’t understand why Iowa and Oregon are even in the same country. You have nothing in common, nothing.’

I replied with the usual, predictable things, but since then that statement by a first generation immigrant comes back me, and your comment makes me think of it too.

What is the matter with Kansas?

To Oregon’s immense credit, Democrat Senator & liberal Ron Wyden filibustered the Senate over the low pricing of oil royalties paid by corporations to the government. To Oregon’s credit, we have a high degree of literacy, a reputation for liberal thought, and mail-in voting, which prevents the Diebold vote rigging. In Oregon, the percentage of church-goers is lower than any other state in the union. We lead the way as science, education, literacy, and liberal thought roll back the shadows of supersticion and organized religion.

But Kansas is held in thrall to the ignorance of religion. The Republicans depend upon fundamentalist Christians, the Unification Church of Sun Myung Moon, and the Mormons, among other cults & sects, for social doctrine. This is cobbled together with an alliance of big business & the extremely wealthy. The corporatists don’t care about the social program- they can buy their way out of any silly restrictions- so they’ll let them have their way. The corporatists need the votes of the fundamentalists. Meanwhile, the fundamentalists need the money. They’ll offer their sons and daughters for crazy wars, as long as they can prevent gays from marrying, and so on.

By the way, my father-in-law saw the error of his ways. He and his wife became so disgusted with Bush, they voted Dem in 2004!

Posted by: phx8 at April 29, 2006 10:49 PM
Comment #144255

On April 18th, 2006 - at 10:04 PM (his time), Jack asked, sarcastically:

Okay

I know that Bush invaded Iraq to enrich Halliburton. Why does he want to invade Iran?

To which I replied:

To enrich Bechtel and Exxon.

But I see no need for that, now.

:o’

So let’s invade Iran to enrich Loral and General Dynamics!

Posted by: Betty Burke at April 29, 2006 11:40 PM
Comment #144257

jlw
You can’t cut food stamps anytime. But I wouldn’t bet against a minimum wage increase in the next few months. After all the idiots up in DC are trying to keep their jobs.


KansasDem
Did your daughter point out that it’s the employees problem they live as far as they do from their job?
Also as any employee of a convenient store should know, the oil companies set the price of gas. They tell the stores what to charge.
As for them having to listen to the customers gripe, that comes with the territory.
Your daughter has one thankless job there. She catches hell from the employees, and from the top.

Posted by: Ron Brown at April 30, 2006 12:19 AM
Comment #144287

Wanna scare the bejesus out of Exxon? Write in Hugo Chavez for every position.

Posted by: gergle at April 30, 2006 3:32 AM
Comment #144288

Posted by: saying at April 29, 2006 12:07 PM

Obvious effects of snorting righting horseshit, ugh?

Posted by: expatUSA_Indonesia at April 30, 2006 4:12 AM
Comment #144303

When neocons talk about gimmicks like the $100 fuel cost rebate to be paid out the U.S. Treasury it is obvious that they could care less about the little guy and are in the business of driving the federal government into bankruptcy and ultimately causing the collapse of the dollar and the destruction of the American economy. Greed is the opposite of good and will destroy us all.

Posted by: tim at April 30, 2006 12:07 PM
Comment #144306

The way to force down gas prices is simple. Everyone stop buying Exxon/Mobil (or Shell or BP). Once Exxon isn’t making any money they’ll have to lower gas prices to lure customers back and the other companies will follow suit to stay competitive or risk being boycotted as well.

Of course that idea has been floated around for at least a half a decade and people are to lazy to actually implement it. They’d all rather just whine about it than take any affirmative action (just like they all whine about Congress and come November very few seats will not be sat in by either a Democrat or Republican).

Posted by: Don at April 30, 2006 12:24 PM
Comment #144317

Why are we all talking about this gas price issue?

It’s not going to keep anyone here from getting to work, or going to family outings. The only folks who will not be able to get to work are the folks who work in fast food, garbage collection, maid service, gardners, etc. America will survive without those kinds of things, i.e. we can haul our own trash, or just leave it to pile up, we can nuke our own fast food, plant our own landscape and mow our own lawns, and we can clean our own homes and offices…why in the world are we even discussing this gas thing?

Besides that, Jack says higher prices on fuel is good for us, we need to freeze a few folks this winter, starve a few more and send into homeless-land countless more, because it is good for the free-market system.

Posted by: Marysdude at April 30, 2006 1:36 PM
Comment #144323

Marysdude:

You make me smile!! Thanks for the laugh of the day.

Posted by: womanmarine at April 30, 2006 1:59 PM
Comment #144355

This reads like a yahoo post…

Posted by: Cliff at April 30, 2006 4:44 PM
Comment #144377

phx8:
Ah, another Oregonian. I can’t understand why other states don’t have mail-in ballots: like you said, that takes care of the touch-screen & paper-trail thing all in one fell swoop.

In Kansas’ defense, 140 years ago it was cutting-edge regarding the slavery issue, and even into the early 1900s it was pretty progressive labor and agriculture-wise.

Oregon has the lowest church attendance in the US, huh? I knew there was something that felt good here, that must be it—along with all the rain. And ironically, my dad was a minister—hee,hee!:-)

Posted by: Tim Crow at April 30, 2006 8:40 PM
Comment #144394

Oregon was home to The Magic Forest Farm commune which I spent time on in the summmer of 69 or 70. I was asked to leave with the onset of winter as was the case with many ‘summer guests’. I move up onto Mt. Hope behind the Takilma commune where two buds were finishing building an A-Frame cabin. One had to leave and the other needed a replacement bud for the winter. I stayed on, helped out lived on a mountain with no roads through a winter. It was a place and time forever etched in my memory as one of the most adventurous and eye-opening experiences of my life besides joining the Army.

Oregon has a lot going for it. Others should look to their urban planning successes, and educational success, and how they resolved their issues with the timber industry. There voting system appears to work as well or better than most in the U.S. Others should take heed.

Posted by: WatchBlog Managing Editor at April 30, 2006 10:01 PM
Comment #144404

This post is entirely off topic (so maybe this will end up in the “byte bucket”? Could be…), but have ya’ll heard Neil Young’s latest yet? It’s an old school political-music rant — and as usual, his playing totally kicks ass (IMO). You can go listen to/download it for free for your ipod (He wants you to). You can also support Neil if you choose by buying it on Amazon. It’s already number three, but it could possibly make number one.
LET’S IMPEACH THE PRESIDENT!!!
Neil Young is purely and simply: perennially cool/brilliant.

While I’m here, and being as off topic as can be, I might as well go for broke. Have you yet seen the video of Stephen Colbert ripping the president a new one at the White House Correspondent’s dinner? It really is True Genius — and from what I’ve gathered, the President and Laura were not the least bit amused.

Cheers, Lefties!

Posted by: Adrienne at April 30, 2006 10:46 PM
Comment #144419

Giving a $100 tax credit to taxpayers (to be used for gas), without having any way to pay for it, is just another example of the method being used to cut out all social programs. This is the end that is desired by the neocons. Put our budget in ruin and use that excuse to take away every good social program ever passed by the dems. Raise the debt and prevent future programs from being started.
This admin has been doing it all along. Keep the corporate welfare going strong, but cut individual assistance of any type, until they are all gone. Can’t pay for the war, so food stamp program budgets are cut. Can’t pay for the deficit, so education budgets are cut. Can’t pay for homeland security, so medicare is cut. It goes on and on.
This is why this admin won’t even consider removing the tax breaks for oil companies. It’s also why we are not suing the oil companies for those billions in royalties that they are not paying for drilling on federal land.
The neocons are craftier than we are giving them credit for. Instead of just not being able to balance the budget, they are intentionally bankrupting the government to get what they want.
The dems won’t be able to fix the mess that they have created because we’ll be too busy trying to be fiscally responsible by paying off the debt and reducing the deficit.
In the meantime, we can’t even use any leverage against China, because we owe them too much money. It’s like threatening a loan shark who is holding your IOU. Soon we’ll be at the mercy of the nations who hold our paper, if we’re not already at that point.
We can’t get rid of the repubs soon enough.

Posted by: Cole at April 30, 2006 11:59 PM
Comment #144421

Adrienne-
I watched the Steven Colbert bit, and it was hilarious! I especially enjoyed the “Helen Thomas chase scene”.
I wish there was a second camera pointed at Bush for the whole thing.

Posted by: Cole at May 1, 2006 12:01 AM
Comment #144426

In Oregon, the percentage of church-goers is lower than any other state in the union. We lead the way as science, education, literacy, and liberal thought roll back the shadows of supersticion and organized religion.

Question: With all of the literacy, liberal thought and low percentage of church-goers, isn’t it interesting that Oregon also has the HIGHEST SUICIDE RATES? (btw - literate one supersticion is spelled superstition)

Posted by: LLE at May 1, 2006 12:12 AM
Comment #144437

Just a little “side-note” about how the business of politics is run in this Kansas County. I swear this could have come straight from Karl Rove’s own playbook:

“Marion County Commission Chairman Dan Holub said Monday at the end of the regular commission meeting that he was fired earlier in the day from his job in the parts department at Deere Trail Implement Inc. because customers opposed to his position of loosening zoning requirements to allow more rural housing on small acreages threatened to take their business elsewhere.”

Holub said, “I was given an ultimatum: I could work for Deer Trail, Inc., or be a county commissioner, but not both, and was given the rest of the week to make my decision. As of this morning, just prior to leaving Deer Trail for this meeting, I gave them my decision, and was fired.”

http://www.zwire.com/site/news.cfm?newsid=16467151&BRD=1163&PAG=461&dept_id=103377&rfi=8

Evidently no progressive ideas are welcome here.

KansasDem
PS: Colbert was at his best. I laughed so hard it scared the dogs.

Posted by: KansasDem at May 1, 2006 1:19 AM
Comment #144447

“The neocons are craftier than we are giving them credit for. Instead of just not being able to balance the budget, they are intentionally bankrupting the government to get what they want.”

Cole,

I think you’re exactly right. You’ve heard of the Sunset Commission proposal:
http://www.ombwatch.org/article/articleview/3378/1/308?TopicID=1

KansasDem

Posted by: KansasDem at May 1, 2006 2:10 AM
Comment #144451

LLE,
You are wrong about suicide rates. When you make up statements like this you are telling a lie:

“…isn’t it interesting that Oregon also has the HIGHEST SUICIDE RATES?”

Please don’t lie. You’re right about the correct spelling of superstition. I admit, I spelled a word wrong. However, my spelling a word wrong does not give you license to lie.

http://www.suicidology.org/associations/1045/files/2003statedatapgc.pdf

Numerous sites give similar statistics. I’m pretty sure you confuse the total numbers of death by euthanasia with the total numbers of all suicides; still, that doesn’t excuse lying.

Posted by: phx8 at May 1, 2006 2:35 AM
Comment #144457

Adrienne:

Neil Young is awesome(as are, in their own ways, his friends Steve, Graham, and David)!

I watch Colbert 4x per week. He is the Mort Sahl of the 21st Century!

Do you know when C-SPAN will be re-airing his appearance?

Posted by: Betty Burke at May 1, 2006 3:25 AM
Comment #144490

Dear Socialists,
Let me say this just once, and then you can ignore it and get back to Bush bashing. On some issues, I will even join you, just not for the same reasons.

CORPORATIONS DO NOT PAY TAXES. They send money to the government, but that money is collected from their CUSTOMERS. If you raise taxes or remove tax breaks (otherwise known as raising taxes), you increase the costs of the corporation. They then raise the price of their goods, and WE pay those taxes. Now I’m ok with removing tax breaks, for every business in every sector, it would cut down on the money wasted on lobbying. Lobbying for all you Marxists who don’t understand economics is simply a protection racket, both parties excel at it.

So when a grandstanding Senator says they want to hold off on collecting the Federal Gas tax for a few months (great idea, how about forever?), but “pay for it” (why is it spending cutbacks are ok for everyone but the gov’t?) by eliminating tax breaks for oil companies (bad idea unless it’s done across the board), which as we just learned increases their costs and thus increases the cost of gas, he is really proposing…nothing. He is playing a shell game, and only idiots fall for shell games.

BTW, not to beatify Exxon or anything, but that HUGE $8.4 billion profit eveyone is so worked up about? That is about 9% of their market capitalization. They made 9%! That is not gouging. It’s not even a very good return for their investors. Many of your favorite leftist companies, Google, Starbucks ect… earn up to DOUBLE that return for their investors. Is Starbucks gouging? Hell yes! But if we are all dumb enough to pay $4 for a cup of coffee, then I refer back to the great PT Barnum.

While we are at it, during that same period when eeeevil Exxon made $8.4 billion. they paid, I’m sorry WE paid, they just collected the money for us, about $18 BILLION in taxes. So Exxon makes 9 cents per gallon in profit, WE PAY about 45 to 50 cents per gallon in taxes (federal and state, sometimes more if you live in a friendly, socialist green state :), you tell me, if we have to cut something, WHERE IS THE FAT?

Posted by: David C. at May 1, 2006 10:06 AM
Comment #144492

More good news, Brett Favre is being arrested for drugs! Oh, it’s ok if he does painkillers, he’s not a Republican. Never mind.

EVEN ON DRUGS, RUSH IS RIGHT! lol

Posted by: David C. at May 1, 2006 10:08 AM
Comment #144513

Dave C,
Actually, I think what you say about corporate taxation deserves consideration. The problem is that, doing away with corporation taxation also requires doing away with corporate tax breaks.

That sounds great, but doing away with corporate tax breaks can do harm. Capital investment is spurred by writing off the investment through depreciation. Government can target breaks to encourage, say, investment in alternate energies.

So, it sounds great, and its simplicity appeals on an emotional level, but doing away with corporation tax breaks and taxation actually includes many risks…

Posted by: phx8 at May 1, 2006 11:38 AM
Comment #144548

“In november we have an opportunity to send them all packing.”
Ted - you couldn’t have said it better. This november will be a great opportunity for all of us who have seen the destruction caused by the Republican party to get to the polls and make a change…we may not be able to get bush out of office for another painful 2 years, but we can give democrats the seats they deserve in congress and give them the opportunity to clean up this mess. I am appalled that hard working American families are paying so much money just to drive to work and these ridiculous gas companies and the Republicans in congress can’t get rid of an 18 cent tax to ease our spending…where are the Republican constituents now? Do they not care that their representatives are turning a blind eye to gas companies record profits???? I am at a loss for words…this whole thing is absurd

Posted by: tyla at May 1, 2006 1:09 PM
Comment #144594

phx8,

I agree with you completely. However, being on the Dem blog, I was oversimplifying on purpose. I did not want to over-defend Exxon, and I know there are some corporate tax breaks that serve a purpose, and some that are egregious pork.

I wish people in this country were smart enough to realize that the No. 1 reason for the price of gas (and oil), is the rapid industrialization of India and China. Those two countries contain about half the world’s population, and now they want air conditioning and cars. We, the US, George Bush and Exxon, have absolutely no control over that. It’s just a political football for the left.

Posted by: David C. at May 1, 2006 3:53 PM
Comment #144637

Tyla,

Thank you for your comments, and yes there is a circus of the absurd. I have come to believe that it started years ago.
I have had it with all of the current crop of legislators. They have all ceded thier authority to the highest bidder. They no longer see us as thier employer! They do not respond to us, but bow to those that fill the coffers. This fall I see an opportunity to begin to get thier attention. This will be difficult because they will begin with misdirection and any divide causing issue in late august or early sept. The more they get the spotlight on a visceral, emotional issue (abortion and gay rights tend to be the most polarizing) the less they will have to answer for scandals, graft, corruption, deficits, and pure incompetence. I just have no faith in any currently elected official, from the President down to my local councilman…

Posted by: Ted at May 1, 2006 6:47 PM
Comment #144702

Betty Burke,
We already enriched Loral in the 80’s when President Clinton allowed them to sell missle technology to China. That would be Communist China. Loral made several generous offers to Mr. Clinton’s PAC’s and other umbrella Democratic organizations in return. This technology allowed the Chinese to perfect targeting their missles, the ones with nukes on them. A feat they had never accomplished before. THIS is why Mr. Clinton should have been impeached, removed from office, and tried for treason. If China ever does launch a nuclear weapon at us, it will most likely hit it’s target with great accuracy due to this sale of technology. Oh, and they are now free to sell this technology to whoever they want.

As for Halliburton? There is only one other company on earth with the size and expertise to handle a job as large as Iraq. or the Katrina cleanup for that matter. It’s Schlumberger. A French company. Maybe that’s ok with American socialists, but to the rest of us who still care about this country, prefer that whenever possible, the US gov’t contract American companies. Especially if it involves even a minute connection to security. Before you make baseless charges like that, it would be helpful if you educated yourself a bit. Halliburton isn’t perfect, and if they overcharge or screw up they should be punished (usually economically with holdbacks or chargebacks), but for large scale jobs, they are all we have right now.

Posted by: David C. at May 1, 2006 11:24 PM
Comment #144708

Norby,
Here is a more accurate story regarding Rush.
http://ap.washingtontimes.com/dynamic/stories/L/LIMBAUGH_PAINKILLERS?SITE=DCTMS&SECTION=HOME
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The silence is defeaning from the left when it’s Brett Favre or Stephen Baldwin, or any other socialist entertainment favorites. Painkillers? Nah, Mr. Baldwin was caught holding cocaine. The prosecuter “neglected” to press charges. No muss, no fuss, no battles, he just decided not to enforce the law. Basically in Rush’s case, he screwed up, which only makes him human, and the prosecuter attempted to make a career out of the case. Unfortunately, it is extremely rare for anyone to be prosecuted to the degree Rush was for that offense, and by over-reaching, the prosecuter lost the case. Yes, he lost it. No conviction for the felonies you were pursuing? Guess what dude, that means you lost. What Rush is going through is typical for most first time prescription drug addicts, and that’s what should have been done from the beginning.

Millions spent on defense attorneys to protect yourself from an overzealous prosecuter? Ouch. Your name and reputation dragged through the mud? That hurts. Crushing the liberal media (check out the Pugh Report) and helping to elect a Republican President, and Congress while doped up on enough Oxicontin to kill a horse? PRICELESS!

Posted by: David C. at May 1, 2006 11:42 PM
Comment #144802

David C.-

I’m sure that nearly everyone would give Rush Limbaugh a break if he were not a sanctimonious, judgemental ass. His constant criticisms of so many on the left for any personal foible left him particularly vulnerable to criticism. I don’t recall Brett Favre or Stephen (not Alec) Baldwin constantly criticizing people over the airwaves.
Rush should learn that “people who live in glass houses should not throw stones”. He deserves every bit of criticism he is getting for his “doctor shopping” plan which he intentionally used to illegally obtain drugs for his addiction. Had he been a more charitable or gracious individual, I (for one) would be happy to be more gracious and charitable towards him. But he wasn’t and isn’t. He was and still is an ass.

Posted by: Cole at May 2, 2006 12:12 PM
Comment #145243

David C.:

Treason, you say?

Posted by: Betty Burke at May 3, 2006 11:17 PM
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