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Conservative Compassion

In his first presidential campaign, George W. Bush ran as a compassionate conservative. He pointed out over and over that though he was a conservative he was compassionate toward the little guy. To show he was a compassionate guy, he pushed hard to get Congress to enact the Medicare drug bill. Congress did. And now we see the results. Many seniors buy insurance policies and then find out they could get their drugs cheaper without the insurance!

As an eligible senior, I knew from the beginning the Medicare drug bill was a fraud. I paid no attention to the ads I was bombarded with. I paid no attention to AARP's propaganda. I kept buying my drugs at discount.

Today, I picked up the L.A. Times, and lo and behold, it confirmed what I have believed. The paper told of a 77 year old senior in California who had bought Medicare Part D insurance, going to Costco to buy blood pressure medication. Here is what he found out:

"The plan allowed him a maximum of 30 pills for $1.32 each. Without it, he could get 100 pills for $1.13 apiece."

This is not a singular case. As the article states:

"The finding [that the law is not much of a deal] has been borne out in a handful of surveys around the nation by program critics. For instance, a review by the Senior Action Network, a grass-roots advocacy group in San Francisco, found that Costco's prices on the top 100 drugs used by Medicare beat prices of all 48 plans in California in more than half the cases."

I don't have stock in Costco, but I got a kick out of this statement by David Grant, of the Senior Action Network:

"Seniors still ask, 'How come the drugs cost more with insurance than if I just go to Costco and buy them? Why is it better to pay more and get less?'"

Good question. Ask Bush. Ask all the compassionate conservatives. Yes, conservatives are compassionate toward pharmaceutical companies and insurance companies. Not to senior consumers.

If you want help in getting drug benefits and in improving the healthcare system as a whole, you need to go to people who are compassionate toward the little guy. You need to depend on Democrats. You will have a chance to do this next November.

Posted by Paul Siegel at April 18, 2006 3:58 PM
Comments
Comment #141508

If you want to be around long enough to get health care dont vote for these liberal bumms they are distroying this country.This genious paul siegel wants you to beleive that millions of senior citizens have been duped by GEORGE BUSH.lETS SEE WHERE THIS B.S GOES.

Posted by: saying at April 18, 2006 4:29 PM
Comment #141512

saying,

What a well thought out and considered reply. Typical. It’s a good thing the liberal mind-control device made Bush say he was a “uniter not a divider” didn’t believe in “nation-building” and wanted to be the “education president”. We control all the news too, which is why they backed Bush’s “evidence of WMDs” and 75% of our soldiers think they are in Iraq as payback for 9/11. It was all just to set Bush up for a fall, and what a spectacular fall it is.

Posted by: Max at April 18, 2006 4:35 PM
Comment #141513

saying,

Where are the fact to back up your assertions?

Way to go, Einstein.

Posted by: Mister Magoo at April 18, 2006 4:42 PM
Comment #141516

I have a dream that one day Conservatives will actually address the facts and the issues and not just call Liberals names!

Posted by: bobo at April 18, 2006 4:55 PM
Comment #141520

Paul,

Healthcare is out of control BECAUSE of socialism and lack of competition. If you went to buy a house, you would buy what you could afford. If Bill Gates were going to buy the house for you, you would get what he could or would afford. No one cares about costs when someone else is paying. It’s actually too simple for a complicated liberal to understand. That’s why Socialism Always Fails.

Posted by: David C. at April 18, 2006 5:01 PM
Comment #141526

Saying,
Just wondering, why shouln’t we believe Paul Siegal when he says that millions of senior citizens have been duped by George Bush? As far as I can tell, he’s right. Also, I think that your comment might’ve beeen taken more seriously had you taken the time to read through it.

Posted by: compost49 at April 18, 2006 5:22 PM
Comment #141527

david c.,

When you rely on a free market for anything there will always be winners and losers. Do you think it is ethical to allow a critical industry like healthcare to be run by corporations whose primary focus is profits and not the well being of it’s customers?

Could someone on the right please answer my questions:

1) Why does the Bush prescription drug plan not allow the government to negotiate prices with the pharmaceutical companies?

2) Why do we allow pharmaceutical companies to advertise on TV when we don’t allow cigarette manufacturers to?

3) Don’t you think a doctor would be better at prescribing the appropriate drug, instead of some idiot demanding they get prescribed drug X because they saw a commercial of two old people dancing in a wheat field?

4) Why do we allow drug manufacturers to basically bribe physicians with free gifts and trips in order for them to push their drug?

Advertisement costs are one of the reasons drug prices are so high in this country.

Posted by: bushflipflops at April 18, 2006 5:23 PM
Comment #141529

Well if socialism always fails then why are the republicans so hard put out to keep pushing for more of it. More Socialism in the form of a perscription drug benifit. More in the No child left behind. Then you don’t even pay for it. Hell in no time soon the top cost of this government will be the public debt. Thanks alot at lest the demacrats pay for their social ideas.
You both keep pointing the finger at the other and guess what you are both right. You are both F*cked up. You want change in the system vote third party. Then they might actually have to listen to us.

Posted by: timesend at April 18, 2006 5:24 PM
Comment #141531

My parents are saving about $300 each month with the new program, and they get their drugs at Costco. They love it… (My dad is even a raving liberal and he likes it)

I do not understand what you are driving at here Paul…Accept that you hate everything Republican. Did I miss anything? (or was this just your 19 cents worth?)

Posted by: Cliff at April 18, 2006 5:28 PM
Comment #141559

What does these national heath care plans covewr for people like me who work day in and day out, having to fork out money for everything. I cant afford health care and make tooooooooo damn much money to be on medicare/medicaid. Right now, I can’t even afford medication (antibiotics) for a spider bite.

Posted by: lynn at April 18, 2006 7:54 PM
Comment #141564

lynn:

I suggest you hop over to Canada or Mexico and get your drugs. Capitalism at work!!!

Posted by: Aldous at April 18, 2006 8:53 PM
Comment #141595

Actually Aldous its illegal to buy drugs accross the border. Remember, Al Queda was planning on tampering with Canadian drugs so that seniors would be poisoned. I mean, there wasn’t any evidence, and various people from the administration said they didn’t know where the story came from, but it certainly made an excuse to shut that down.

Posted by: iandanger at April 19, 2006 12:03 AM
Comment #141598

Paul
Once again the Left is calling a Liberal and a liberal plan Conservative. There is nothing conservative about Bush or his medicare plan.
The reason that the same drug cost more with medicare than without it is because the drug companies are soaking the Government and the insurance companies.
It’s the same thing if you wreck your car. If the insurance company is going to pay to fix it the estimate will be about $1,000 or more higher than if your paying it out of your own pocket.

Posted by: Ron Brown at April 19, 2006 12:10 AM
Comment #141606

lynn i hope you do something about that bite. ive been bitten by a black widow spider and it was not very fun. i think a urgent care clinic will treat you if the bite is serious, dont put it off! they should discount the service.

Posted by: RODNEY BROWN at April 19, 2006 12:44 AM
Comment #141609

RON BROWN you got that right just a little example my accord (daily driver) was rear ended i have a friend who does body and painting he gave me a estimate for $3300. i called my agent they said you can take it to him but he was not contracted with them and if there was a problem they would not resolve it. they sent me to a contracted body shop they fixed it and the price $6,400 ! and they did a bad job!

Posted by: RODNEY BROWN at April 19, 2006 1:17 AM
Comment #141622

@David C. at April 18, 2006 05:01 PM
Here in The Netherlands we have the Third Way socialism. It’s socialism (not communism!) but there is still place for center-right parties. It’s just our type of government. People can only buy a house which they can afford themselves, so what you’re saying is just right-wing populistic crap.

Here everyone is obliged to have health insurance. As soon as someone can’t pay the 1100 euro per year, the government will do it for you. Also you can only buy (less) heavy medicines in special drug stores which are in every small town. This system works even for the social weaker. I just still don’t get it why they privatized the health sector that far in the U.S. Privatization is NOT a good thing. You get companies which want to make money over the backs of others, also over the backs of social weaker people.

Posted by: Ouwe at April 19, 2006 2:42 AM
Comment #141623

This is the same problem that I alluded to in Paul’s post about elitism.

It isn’t the evil Pharmacueticals, or even evil genuis Karl Rove.

It’s the corruption in Congress and K street. It’s the collusion of greed used to play the system to help politicians and help corporate profits.

Medicine is not a sector well suited to Free Trade thinkers. Health is not subject to Demand and Supply. When you are sick you need medicine, you cannot “choose” something else. This does not mean that viagra for all should be a policy.

There needs to be a two tier system here. A basic healthcare policy needs to be established, by doctors and constantly updated. It will include rationing. Resources need to be pooled and prices controlled here as a stipulation of licensing yourself to practice medicine. Practicing medicine does not have to be a license to wealth. This side should also be somewhat protected from lawsuits and regulated with open records about doctors and hospitals, etc. Insurance should not be a for profit game here. Pooling resources negates the need for an “insurance” game. Get rid of the profiteers.

A second tier of elective healthcare can be completey subject to free trade theories. Anyone can get rich here as long as they do their part for tier one. Insurance companies cah set up their scams here.

The reason that drug trade with Canada is illegal, and that there are so many “plans” is pure protectionist greed and attempts at deception.

The wealthy get their special treats and also subsidize standard healthcare in this way. Just stop throwing around labels and do the right thing.


Posted by: gergle at April 19, 2006 3:10 AM
Comment #141658

Yup.

Posted by: Betty Burke at April 19, 2006 9:31 AM
Comment #141750

MAX Sadam was a weapon of mass distruction you moron.Have you ever seen the mass graves in iraq?Or do you think we went to war in iraq to protect Max?Get over yourself.

Posted by: saying at April 19, 2006 3:56 PM
Comment #141829

Seniors? Little guys/gals? Let’s speak in terms of the liberal…woman’s rights! Sorry, that was a little out of line.
To the point, my husband and I are the little guy. We are self-employed…blue collar. We could not afford health insurance for years, so we gambled. We told the Dr.’s office we didn’t have insurance, could we get a discount? Answer: “You must have insurance to get a discount.” Now, we pay $5000/year to get a discount. I am just a blue collar worker with a family…I’m just trying to get by and give my children the best I can. Don’t get me wrong, I love seniors…including my parents. We can’t blame one guy for the problems of insurance that have been there since Mr. Blue Dress.

Posted by: Cindi at April 19, 2006 9:36 PM
Comment #141841

Hospitals used to be run by THE church, or the county. The nuns were not paid to work, they did it for the church. The county hospitals were paid for by taxpayers. Low cost health care. Then everyone decided that THE church was bad, and that the ‘welfare queen’, low income people were baddddd. Now everyone has to pay for health professionals other than nuns. Hmmm.

Posted by: Vern at April 19, 2006 10:07 PM
Comment #141863

Cindi has the problem down right! Health care is reaching the point where only certain people can afford it. Those who can’t afford their own coverage pay for those who can. Very bad situation. Many years ago I tried to negotiate price with a hospital because my coverage lapsed during my son’s hospital stay. It was insane that an insurance company could pay less per day than I’d have to pay, but that’s how it was.

I’ve benefited greatly by this new Medicare scrip plan. I save no less than $100.00 per month. OTOH many of the widows in their 70’s and 80’s that I see at the senior center are now paying more or in some cases they’ve just stopped taking their meds all together. Now the government is even eliminating those monthly food parcels for the elderly.

I honestly wonder if there isn’t some underlying plan to eliminate the poor through deprivation of neccessities. The only other answer would be total stupidity.

KansasDem

Posted by: KansasDem at April 20, 2006 12:05 AM
Comment #141908

>>We can’t blame one guy for the problems of insurance that have been there since Mr. Blue Dress.

Posted by: Cindi at April 19, 2006 09:36 PM

Mr. Blue Dress?

Posted by: Marysdude at April 20, 2006 10:39 AM
Comment #142148

She’s referring to Bill Clinton. You see, she would rather suffer her Health Care Expenses than allow someone whose husband got a blowjob in office to fix them for her. She is a “security mom” and her husband is most likely a “NASCAR dad.” They are bought and sold by Karl Rove and Faux “News” - they are lost; part of The Problem - forget about her and Move On…

Posted by: Betty Burke at April 21, 2006 2:41 PM
Comment #204064

The pharmaceutical companies every year increase sales volumes who it supervises? WBR LeoP

Posted by: Leo at January 19, 2007 8:14 PM
Comment #204173

Where can I lead medical health insurance companies, Blue Cross, Blue Shield, Aetna, Humana, Unicare, Anthem, Carefirst, and more! Thanks. WBR LeoP

Posted by: Leo at January 20, 2007 5:07 PM
Comment #223108

Bush has done his damndest to destroy our economy and has succeeded. Anything he says he will do, look for him to do the opposite.
He still won’t explain how outsourcing our jobs to communist China is good for our economy. It is not good for our economy, it is good for the communist economy!
He still won’t explain why he gave up on finding and destroying bin Laden and al Qeada, and decided that iraq was more of a threat to us.
You right wingers can be happy with the relentless destruction of the United States, but you DO NOT have any right to criticise anyone of us for being against it.
You people kicked us out of work and told us we have no right to work, then tell us to just go find a job, even though Bush wants the illegals to have the jobs that were not outsourced.
You tell us we have no right to an education, then tell us to go get one if we want to earn more than minimum wage. Well, I have 3 diplomas but I can’t find any work for what I was trained in. I can’t find other jobs because I am overqualified or else too old (I am 53).
No one gives a damn about my veteran’s status.
I have a disability that prevents me from hevy lifting, confirmed by an orthopedist. but Social Security, on orders from Bush, decalred that nothing is wrong with me on the basis of a 3 minute exam performed at a general clinic. Bush really needed that money to give a tax cut to millionaires who never paid Social Security taxes. That is MY money that I paid for 35 years, but Bush refuses to let me have it, even though he says it’s MY money.
So much for compassionate conservatism, which is defines as just feeling sorry for people in need without taking any action to help them.

Posted by: RRCook at June 13, 2007 4:13 PM
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