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Human Rights Leadership?

Bully Bush bullied Bully Bolton into the UN. Bully Bolton bullied and bullied and bullied until he destroyed the name of the U.S. as a world beacon of freedom and human rights. After shooting his mouth off telling UN ambassadors how to form a new UN Human Rights Council, the UN adopted a different approach. Now that Bully Bolton did not get his way, he did what all bullies do. He told the UN he will take his marbles and go home: U.S. would not run for a seat on the Human Rights Council. This is called human rights leadership?

I felt sick and outraged when I saw this:

"UNITED NATIONS - The United States, which has been lambasted for human rights abuses both by members of its armed forces in Abu Ghraib prison outside Baghdad and by U.S. law enforcement officials in the Guantanamo detention facility in Cuba, has backed out of a hotly contested race for membership in the newly-created U.N. Human Rights Council (HRC)."

Some diplomats say America backed out because it was afraid it would not win approval. Oh, what an awful day, to hear such a message. Still, I'm sure America could have gotten a seat if it worked on it. And what is more important than getting a seat on a council that monitors human rights around the world?

Then I read that Cuba, China, Iran and Libya are all candidates for membership. The day feels worse. The world may need to depend on these "beacons of humanity" instead of the U.S. What has happened to America, the land of the free? Our reputation of feverishly favoring human rights is in tatters. Bully Bush talks incessantly about democracy, but he tears apart human rights without which a democracy is worthless.

Pyllis Bennis, a senior fellow at the Institute for Policy Studies, rubbed it in:

"Anger over U.S. hypocrisy and double standards towards other alleged human rights violators (sanctioning Cuba and Iran, while protecting Saudi Arabia and Egypt, all the while embracing Israel) runs high in the United Nations, and other governments may be unwilling to support Washington's bid.... But even beyond those reasons, the U.S. simply does not deserve to be a member of the new Council, whose mandate was specifically designed to exclude human rights violators."

This is the biggest insult of all: America does not deserve to be on the Council because it is "designed to exclude human rights violators." I think I'll feel terrible for a long time after hearing this. What a calamity!

I don't know if it is too late, but I think we should change our mind. U.S. MUST seek a seat on the Human Relations Council and we MUST work our diplomacy to assure winning it. Once a seat is won, we MUST work hard to spread human rights around the world.

We MUST get our American pride back. We can do it by exercising true human relations leadership. Let's start by getting rid of Bully Bolton.

Posted by Paul Siegel at April 7, 2006 5:50 PM
Comments
Comment #138876

Paul………..
It’s about time we got someone in the
U.N.(american) with the balls to stand up to this useless ,corrupt orginization I’m glad he walked out and sent the message that were not going to be used,and abused anymore….get a spine and quit whining…………..we need to be tough with the rest of the world and not rollover because we think people “wont like us” I’m proud of the”bully Bolton” and I hope he keeps it up!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!And I’m proud of our president!!!! Get a spine

Posted by: phillip at April 7, 2006 6:32 PM
Comment #138886

We US Citizens go through our daily lives, with absolute certainty that the USA would NEVER commit acts that were in violation of human rights. Not us! We would never do a thing like that.
Then along comes the Bush administration. The group that thinks that a law against torture is wrong. That thinks that it’s ok to abuse prisoners for such a just and honorable war where we are “spreading democracy” around the world. That thinks it’s ok to violate the constitution and eavesdrop on our own citizens, and then lie about it to those very citizens.

Now, as a proud US citizen, I’m ashamed of our government for doing exactly the things that we have fought so dearly against for over 200 years. This administration is a complete disgrace to the United States, and has brought dishonor upon us all. They are a fetid pool of corruption, abuse, and lies.

Yes, we must get Bolton out of the UN, but first we must get Bush and his cronies out of our government so that we may once again walk into the UN and hold our head high in front of all other nations. We must set the example for others to follow. Not stoop to equal the lowest of them as Bush has had us do. Bush is guilty of actions that should be criminal. If this republican controlled congress were worth spit, they would be doing something about it.

Posted by: Cole at April 7, 2006 7:08 PM
Comment #138889

phillip-
I think we have enough spine already. Question is, do Republicans like you have thick enough skin?

Frankly, that is the whole problem with the way the Right engages in foreign policy. They can’t stand to compromise or make deals, to see America’s will (or their own, if you will) not done to the degree they want it. What they and you fail to see is that this with us/against us B.S. makes it very difficult for us to cultivate the kind of soft support that greases the gears for foreign policy.

Von Clausewitz spoke of the concept of friction in war, in other words the forces that made things more difficult to fight. A lack of soft support can make it more difficult to get under the table deals, favorable terms in negotiation, silent aid in intelligence, and lesser resistance to our foreign policy abroad.

People like Bolton make it more difficult for people abroad to side with us without looking like they’re betraying their own interests and their own country. People like Bolton legitimize Anti-Americanism by confirming the worst stereotypes about us, and undermining our claims of moderation.

I know its easy for you to approach this from a standpoint of American primacy, of our forcing our will down everybody’s throat, but really, we have done better in this country by our subtle manipulations of the world, than by any particular conquests or diplomatic thuggery.

Posted by: Stephen Daugherty at April 7, 2006 7:24 PM
Comment #138898

“get a spine and quit whining…………..we need to be tough with the rest of the world and not rollover because we think people “wont like us” I’m proud of the”bully Bolton” and I hope he keeps it up!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!And I’m proud of our president!!!! Get a spine

Posted by: phillip at April 7, 2006 06:32 PM”

Phillip,

I’ve been reading here for several months, posting here for a few, and I can absolutely guarantee you that Paul “the soaring” Siegel has more spine than you’ll ever muster.

Please, follow the rules and attack the message, not the messenger. Disagreeing on issues and speaking our minds is American, demeaning each other is neither American or acceptable on this blog.

To all, if I’m speaking out of turn I apologize in advance.

KansasDem

Posted by: KansasDem at April 7, 2006 7:38 PM
Comment #138908

Cole, nobody is eavesdropping on americans Were intercepting communications between the USA and possible terrorists..was YOUR telephone line tapped? of course not, noones was but if you had phone calls from a possible terrorist nation than I hope it was monitered!

Stephen, people like you make it more difficult
to deal with people abroad.because you DO COMPROMISE because when it comes to principle and standing strong you’ll whimper so others will “like you” I dont care what Von clausewitz says I care that the USA starts being tough with the rest of the world and quit letting “the global community” walk all over us.

As far as torture….if it takes twisting some arms and depriving people of sleep,or putting panties on someones head I say twist their arms,break them if you have to If it means getting information that will save ONE american life then DO IT….At least they have heads to put panties on…………unlike Nick Berg and the rest of the hostages that were beheaded wer’e dealing with fanatics here AND DIPLOMACY DOESN”T WORK!!!!!!!!!!!!! If I offended anyone here TOO BAD

Posted by: phillip at April 7, 2006 8:03 PM
Comment #138913

My question is this: Why is the United Nations still squatting on some very expensive New York real estate? Aren’t any of those high-paid U.S. government lawyers capable of issuing an eviction notice?

The current secretary-general, Kofi Annan, and his son are swindlers and thieves on an epic scale. Nobody will probably ever know how many billions of dollars they scammed out of Iraq’s oil for food program.

The overwhelming majority of UN member states are either socialist, marxist or communists and large numbers of those are dictatorships or totalitarion regimes who, if the truth were ever known, are probably responsible for more deaths over the past 60 years greater than all the people killed in World War Two.

In 2005, over one-fourth of all resolutions passed by the General Assembly were directed against Israel. Coincidence? I think not.

Last year, some idiot UN administrator called the United States a “stingy nation.” Well, lets look at the numbers.

The United States, Japan and Germany contribute nearly 52 percent of the UN’s annual budget, with the U.S. coughing up the lion’s share, 22 percent. According to the U.S. General Accounting Office, the Department of State and Department of Defense gave the U.N. $3.45 billion in direct contributions to conduct peacekeeping operations between 1996 and 2001 and an estimated $24.2 billion in indirect contributions to help support 33 U.N. peacekeeping operations in 28 countries during that five-year period.

Stingy indeed!

And the Democrats are worried about what the UN thinks about us? Just proves all the idiots aren’t in the UN.

Posted by: slowthinker at April 7, 2006 8:13 PM
Comment #138947

Wow, how easy it is to see the divide between right and left. Paul always manages to bring out the truth.

Evidently the right believes we (the USA) can shun the entire world and play the “my way or the highway” card because we’re the biggest kid on the playground. Play by our rules or we’ll getcha!

OTOH the left, IMO, thinks we’ll all fair much better if we all learn to play by the rules. That means we’re all judged from the same “rule book” and we all respect each others autonomy.

BTW, the “Blue Rule Book” includes such things as human rights, the rule of law, respect for life and the environment, etc.

What does the “Red Rule Book” consist of? Stay in power no matter the cost?

KansasDem

Posted by: KansasDem at April 7, 2006 10:32 PM
Comment #138957
nobody is eavesdropping on americans Were intercepting communications between the USA and possible terrorists

And you know this how? Isn’t it likely that the person on the USA end is a US Citizen? Then that IS wiretapping citizens, no matter how you spin it.

It defies any logic that people believe we (the US) are so much better than any other country that we can’t work within the world community except for our own benefit. We are an arrogant nation, and becoming moreso.

Our downfall will be painful when the countries that currently hold our national debt come to collect.

Posted by: womanmarine at April 7, 2006 10:58 PM
Comment #138970

I couldn’t agree with Phillip more. America is criticized for nearly every action it takes. Abu Grab was unfortunate but no one was beheaded or assasinated on television.

The members of the UN that are speaking against the USA and our commitment to Human Rights obviously live here in the USA a lot of the time. It is certain they can not speak the way they do in their own countries about their govenment without the loss of their lives or a family member.

Would this forum be alive in any of these countries? No!

The divisiveness of opinions within USA’s politics only serve to bolster the people in countries like Libya, Cuba, Iran,China, etc. I guess I should be in ahh of the North Korean government for their advancement of human rights for the world.

Wake up people, there is more to our actions than politics.

Posted by: John at April 7, 2006 11:15 PM
Comment #138987

The UN has not been friendly to the U.S. since the 1960s. Remember how that “bully” Moinihan made his reputation. The human rights group has always included people like Cubans, Chinese etc.

The UN does good work in specialty agencies. The political part is not good and not effective. And it does not represent the world any more than the owners of professional sports teams represent their team’s home states.

We need not feel bad if the UN gives us a hard time. They do nothing about it.

Talking against the U.S. is a cost free activity. It is like many of you liberals on this blog. They can say bad thing about Bush and call him a threat because they KNOW he won’t do anything to them, because they know what they are saying is not true. It is hypocritical, but it works. When some third world potentate gets up on his hind legs and criticizes the U.S. he can pretend to be brave. Maybe we should be quickerr to take offense.

Posted by: Jack at April 8, 2006 12:29 AM
Comment #138994

Phillip,

Apparently you have not heard the latest from Alberto Gonzalez, when let it slip that some completely, totally, domestic wiretapping was going on.

There is another shoe waiting to drop on this subject, and the clue has already been revealed.

Posted by: Cole at April 8, 2006 12:54 AM
Comment #138999

Jack,

I would simply argue that if the UN had not been created in the 40’s we wouldn’t be here. Instead of facing decades of “cold war” there would have been a very damn “hot war”.

Bolton, as a representative of Bushco, is not trying to “reform” the UN but rather replace the UN with the USOAN (united states over all nations) and we’re hardly the first to think we can control the whole damn planet.

Somehow we’ve decided that being the greatest, and possibly only, “super-power” has made us invincible and we actually put an administration in power to further the whole notion that we are the “almighty, one and only, super power of all super powers” and we’re not the first to make that mistake.

But, we may be the last.

KansasDem

Posted by: KansasDem at April 8, 2006 1:14 AM
Comment #139024

The UN seems to have one guideline for selecting the participants in the Human Rights Council:

It takes one to know one.

Frankly, the US lacks the creditials to be considered as a UN human rights monitor, not having engaged in genocide or institutionalized torture.

Posted by: goodkingned at April 8, 2006 2:56 AM
Comment #139027

“Frankly, the US lacks the creditials to be considered as a UN human rights monitor, not having engaged in genocide or institutionalized torture.


Posted by: goodkingned at April 8, 2006 02:56 AM”

Uh, wrong on both counts.

#1. We committed genocide on the American Indian before the word had been coined.

#2. Remember Bush’s speech after he signed the “no torture” law with McCain.

Too much Red Kool-aid fogs the perception and obviously the memory too.

KansasDem

Posted by: KansasDem at April 8, 2006 3:17 AM
Comment #139031

KansasDem:

We’ll have to agree to disagree on the US role with the native americans. I don’t think that is an accurate term for the US policy.

Regarding the issue of the US and torture, are you seriously equating the interrogation tactics used in a minimal number of cases with institurional torture?

Do you really believe that the US is less ethical than the current governments chosen by the UN to monitor human rights?

Posted by: goodkingned at April 8, 2006 3:33 AM
Comment #139036

Kansasdem,

I know you were satirizing with the USOAN idea, but it sounds like a plan to me. If the entire world were like the United States, a lot of people would be rich and the poor people would all be fat.

Posted by: Duano at April 8, 2006 4:50 AM
Comment #139037

“Do you really believe that the US is less ethical than the current governments chosen by the UN to monitor human rights?”

I think we’re quickly closing the gap. Besides what standard do we want to be measured by? The “we don’t torture as much or as bad as them” standard?

KansasDem

Posted by: KansasDem at April 8, 2006 5:17 AM
Comment #139038

Duano,

So, it’s a sin to be gay. What is it to hate the poor.

Come clean man are you a member of Westboro Baptist Church?

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Westboro_Baptist_Church_(Topeka)

KansasDem

Posted by: KansasDem at April 8, 2006 5:27 AM
Comment #139081

KansasDem:

The posting established the standard of comparison between the US and the other nations competing for inclusion on the Human Rights Commission, not me. I’m secure in the fact that it is patently ridiculous to smear the US on the basis of our human rights record. Any nation will have some incidents of governmental abuse. In the US, these incidents are extremely rare and the country has an excellent record of acknowledging and ameliorating incidents when they are discovered. If you prefer the records of Libya, China or Cuba, I guess that’s a matter of opinion.

Posted by: goodkingned at April 8, 2006 12:59 PM
Comment #139087

If anyone is interested, we COULD control the whole damn world if we chose to. But we choose to use our power in more benign ways.

What other great power in history not only gave back the lands they won in battle, but helped restore them to even greater prosperity?

Answer: None.

The United States is not perfect, nor are its leaders and its people. We are not immune from the seven deadly sins. It is the price we pay for being human.

But I shudder to think what the world would look like today if the United States did not exist.

What the future holds for this planet, I know not. But this I do know. If human beings ever finally achieve lasting peace and prosperity, history will record that it was because of the sacrifice and courage and leadership of the United States, not the United Nations.

Put that in your little blue book.

Posted by: slowthinker at April 8, 2006 1:53 PM
Comment #139099

Bravo slowthinker Bravo!!!!!

Posted by: phillip at April 8, 2006 2:35 PM
Comment #139109

Kansas

The UN does lots of good things. We need something like the UN. But that doesn’t mean we need to feel respect for its disfunctional nature. It needs a major reformation. Bolton can’t hurt it and his toughness may improve things.

Posted by: Jack at April 8, 2006 2:59 PM
Comment #139125

Yo’ SlowThinker,

Are you certain that the U.S. could “control the world” as you suggest?

Then riddle me this: why did we choose to invade a nearly defenseless nation whose biggest weapon was probably it’s insane dictator firing off his rifle on his back porch, rather than an IRAN, NORTH KOREA ,or some REAL threat, hmmm?

Let me suggest one example of a war that I KNOW the U.S, nor anyone else could win: a land war with China … the whole planet would run out of bullets before China could run out of soldiers. Even a nuclear war with China would have an uncertain outcome, because of the sheer size of their military … wipe-out a million Chinese and you’ve only done them a favor by cutting down on their surplus population.

And, how about the oil to run that military machine, hmmm?

Yes, the U.S. military is the greatest in the world, but even a great military REQUIRES a competent commander … and G.W. Bush is anything but competent. Bush can’t locate his own butt-cheeks.

Now place that tidbit in your little Red book. Speaking of Redbook, isn’t that a woman’s magazine?

“Mission Accomplished” & “Bring It On”

Posted by: DA at April 8, 2006 3:52 PM
Comment #139163

DA

Checked out your blog site. Take out the profanity and you don’t have much of a vocabulary, do you?

I bet you were the kid pulling wings off of flies. Of course, I’m sure the flies were registered Republicans and had it coming, huh?

Did you ever consider an anger management program?



Posted by: slowthinker at April 8, 2006 6:03 PM
Comment #139283

>>Did you ever consider an anger management program?

Posted by: slowthinker at April 8, 2006 06:03 PM

slow,

It’s okay…Cheney/Bush authorized anger at Repubs at the same time he authorized declassifying classified stuff that had to do…or not…with Judy Plame Wilson Miller…

Posted by: Marysdude at April 9, 2006 2:20 AM
Comment #139329

Phillip said:

“….At least they have heads to put panties on…………unlike Nick Berg and the rest of the hostages that were beheaded wer’e dealing with fanatics here AND DIPLOMACY DOESN”T WORK!!!!!!!!!!!!! If I offended anyone here TOO BAD”

I just think its funny how we can paint our actions in pretty colors by comparing ourselves to the terrorists we are supposedly fighting against. Wow, we have truly reached the standard of standards here! We are more humane than raving lunatics who behead people! Break out the bubbly! Hell, I’m proud of our president too!

By the way, the man’s name who was beheaded is “Nicholas Berger”. If you respect the people who have been murdered at all (and not just for your own talking points), you should care enough to read their entire name.

Holy Cow, we are just begging to get our arrogant asses kicked.

Posted by: Beijing Rob at April 9, 2006 9:34 AM
Comment #139341

marysdude

Gee, thanks! I wondered who authorized that.

DA

Sorry! I didn’t know the anger and profanity was
sanctioned by an Executive Order from the White House.

Everyone

Just to clear the boards, Nancy Pelosi and Harry Reid signed my authorization to post at this site. (Bill and Hillary were out of town at the time.)

Harry said something about this site needing some comic relief.

Posted by: slowthinker at April 9, 2006 12:13 PM
Comment #139530

>>Harry said something about this site needing some comic relief.

Posted by: slowthinker at April 9, 2006 12:13 PM

slow,

You’re not very comedic and you provide damned little relief, so it’s okay if you don’t post, but thanks for your efforts anyway.

Posted by: Marysdude at April 10, 2006 9:45 AM
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