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The Culture of Corruption Remains

The Republican Party is steeped in the culture of corruption, as I have repeatedly stated (here, here, here and here). I have also stated that Tom DeLay was the ringmaster who made corruption thrive. The only thing that will change, now that DeLay has resigned, is that there will be a new ringmaster to the same Republican rings of corruption: Rep. John Boehner. The culture of corruption will remain.

Even now, DeLay is boasting how he corrupted the Congress, as you can see in his remarks to the press:

"The Democrats hate the fact that their culture of K Street has been changed from a totally dominated Democrat K Street [lobbying community] to a totally dominated Republican K Street. Nothing illegal about that at all. And we built that. When we took over in 1995, the K Street contributions to elections was 70/30 - 70 percent Democrat, 30 percent Republican. Today it’s 60/40 - 60 percent Republican and 40 percent Republican. That’s a change in culture. Democrats and the left hate that, and they have worked very hard to destroy it."

He says the did "nothing illegal." But it sure was sleazy. I discuss some of the horrible things he did in a previous post. He was brutal, crude and effective in making K Street an extension of the Republican Party. So much so, that lobbyists were writing the bills that DeLay rammed through Congress.

If you thought there would be a more ethical House with the new House leader, listen to what Boehner says in response to DeLay's resignation announcement:

"Simply put Tom is one of the most effective and gifted leaders the Republican Party has ever known. He was a tireless advocate for his constituents, the state of Texas, and all Americans who shared a commitment to the principles of smaller government, more freedom, and family values.... He has served our nation with integrity and honor, and I'm honored to call him my colleague and friend."

Boehner thinks DeLay served with "integrity and honor." Maybe he thinks that DeLay's buddy Abramoff performed with "integrity and honor." Perhaps he believes that Republican House members served with "integrity and honor" when they voted for the "DeLay Rule" that allowed DeLay to hold his office even though he was indicted. I suppose he feels that the House acted with "dignity and honor" when it came up with the toothless lobbying bill that essentially maintains the status quo.

The Republican culture of corruption remains. It will not change until we throw the bums out. Let's do it this November.

Posted by Paul Siegel at April 4, 2006 6:05 PM
Comment #138020

I don’t get it. So no Dems were ever corrupt? Not to say that T.D. was a Saint, but the broad brush only holds up until a counter example is given (shouldn’t be hard to find).

As for Bohner’s comments - what else was he going to say - Deley is a total ninny and everyone is glad he is gone? Come on. Politicians always talk from both sides of their mouth. Be a bit more pragmatic about it. You got what you wanted anyway. Thought Id see a bit more gloating…

Posted by: b0mbay at April 4, 2006 6:30 PM
Comment #138024

I, personally, would have like to seen Delay continue running for his seat. He may have actually lost the general election to a democrat in a VERY conservative district. Now that he has stepped down any other republican will likely beat any democrat running.

Oh well, good ridance…I never cared for the slimeball anyway.


Sure there are and have been corrupt dems….I didn’t and don’t like them either. Corruption is corruption no matter what party. However, it seems in order to turn the tide in Washington the Repubs will do almost anything for money. I don’t mean all repubs….but look at the recent investigations by the SEC, the indictments, and prosecutions…..they lean very right.

Posted by: Tom L at April 4, 2006 6:57 PM
Comment #138030

Yes, Bombay, there have been corrupt Democratic politicians, no doubt about it. There are even corrupt Democrats in office now. BUT - if you remember back to 1994, the Republicans came into office crying that the Democratic party was completely corrupt top to bottom, and that there was no way to fix it except to kick them all out and replace them with Republicans. Plus, the Republican Party, or at least a significant portion of it, makes the claim that they are bringing Biblical teachings to the halls of government. From the day they took over, the Republicans claimed that THEY wouldn’t be corrupted by power, that THEY were in a word, better, than the corrupt Democrats that they were throwing out. And, of course, Tom Delay has tied himself to the religious right, appearing, if not actually saying, to be a “Man of God.” And of course, all that time, he and his cohorts in Congress have been doing everything that the Democrats did, but to the nth power. Instead of taking bribes, they’ve been extorting them from lobbyists. Instead of just bending the rules to favor their constituents, they’ve been throwing the rule book out the window and letting their constituents and favored interest groups simply write favorable legislation. They have betrayed their own supposed principles again and again solely to serve their political and monetary interests. The level of corruption in the current Congress is without parallel, and it’s no defense to simply say “Well, there’s someone on the other side who’s corrupt to.” The sooner they’re out of power, the safer this country will be. Hopefully the damage done can at some point be set straight.

Posted by: Bill H. at April 4, 2006 7:26 PM
Comment #138032

The culture of corruption is all throughout congress.
Both parties (the “In-Party” and the “Out-Party”) just take turns.
When one gets the majority, and becomes the “In-Party”, they abuse their power, and the “Out-Party” tries to sabotage of the “In-Party’s” goals.
The end result is dysfunction.
Over the long-run, they are not really that different, and it can be proven. Think back to when Democrats were the “In-Party” for so long.
The “In-Party” gives rise to the “Out-Party” so that the “Out-Party” can become the “In-Party”.
They just take turns, because both parties consist of irresponsible incumbents that work the system, and use and abuse the voters.
Voters, amazingly, empower the very same repeat offenders that keep running the nation into the ground.
It is a sad, sad situation.
Unfortunately, we are most likely in the last few steps of a cycle that repeats itself over and over.
We don’t seem able to learn from history, which is needed to break the cycle, and avoid having to learn the hard, painful way (again).
Please Stop Repeat Offenders.
Don’t Re-Elect Them !

Posted by: d.a.n at April 4, 2006 7:28 PM
Comment #138035

D.A.N - we agree. I remember when Billy was in office, Repubs were screaming over everything including the Lincoln bedroom getting pimped out for favors. Maybe instead of a partisan thread (Paul) we should all just agree that corruption in politcs is just as pervasive today as it ever has been.

Forget the conservative moral highground argument. Who cares if they are hippocritical - being corrupt is more damaging to us all anyway. I can find plenty of examples of hippocritical politicans (from both sides).

So, for once and for all, can we drop the partisan bull$hit? Now? Please?

Yes we all know how much you all hate Bush/Cheney/Rummy and the rest. Just don’t pretend your party is any different, especially when they are in power…

Posted by: b0mbay at April 4, 2006 7:53 PM
Comment #138039

Most politicians are honest. A significant minority are not. These guys will take what they can get. The only way to control them is to make it less profitable. Laws and restrictions won’t work. These guys write the laws. The answer is to shrink government so that it CANNOT grant favors as much.

Abramoff was a crook. How did he make his money? By selling access to government favors, favors government has no business granting in general. How did Enron make it’s money. Arbitrage because of government regulation. Take away that power.

We ask for more government to solve problems and injustice. But each solution creates more opportunity for corruption.

If you spread out bread, you get pigeons and rats. You can make a law against pigeons and rats, but the better idea is to remove their food source.

Look at all the pigs lining the New Orleans reconstruction trough. When we ask for government solutions, we get corruption.

Posted by: Jack at April 4, 2006 8:11 PM
Comment #138040

Paul, you are not offering a long-term solution— or even a short-term pragmatic one.

Most people will not vote out all Republicans based on the general feeling of corruption. The problem simply is not that big yet. Additionally, even if this were to succeed, corruption could still continue due to Democrats being human too.

Furthermore, in the long-term, the Democrats cannot expect to retain power, and so the problem of corruption— even if it were unique to Republicans— would continue on in America.

Posted by: Zeek at April 4, 2006 8:13 PM
Comment #138042

Ah yes… The “We are all corrupt defense”…

Republicans have always been hypocrites so I suppose this is nothing new. Still, crying “Vote GOP because we are all corrupt anyway” has to be a new low.

Posted by: Aldous at April 4, 2006 8:16 PM
Comment #138043

“Yes we all know how much you all hate Bush/Cheney/Rummy and the rest. Just don’t pretend your party is any different, especially when they are in power…”

Why does it always come back to us DEMS hating “____fill in the blank___”? Is no one on the REP side honest enough to admit that they backed a corrupt politician? When this first started, REPs kept bashing us for hating, and preaching to “wait for the jury to decide.” Is anyone fool enough to beleive that this wasn’t Delay’s only option based on legal matters?

I’ve heard the same about Abramoff and Libby… Still want to maintain that this all just hate and political games? Could REPs even consider the fact that they have been lead around by the nose by these… “leaders”?

Posted by: tony at April 4, 2006 8:18 PM
Comment #138054

hey im not saying dont call a spade a spade, but come on! who made this into a partisan issue anyway - not me! jeezus. Clinton was selling favors left and right. travelgate, lincolngate… hillary was right there in the tick of things too! I dont think one sane person would revote for someone who they knew was corrupt.

Aldous - you have got to be kidding me. That is a joke right? please tell me it is…

I am giving you guys the “gloat away” card. Use it - freely. The repubs sure did when Clinton was at his lowest (not to say he didnt deserve it…)

Posted by: b0mbay at April 4, 2006 8:46 PM
Comment #138073

Culture of corruption applies to both party.

Posted by: Reporter for Doody at April 4, 2006 11:19 PM
Comment #138077

Clinton was proven INNOCENT of TravelGate and LincolnGate.

The only thing you have is lying about a blowjob. Everything else is spin.

Try again.

Posted by: Aldous at April 4, 2006 11:38 PM
Comment #138081


Neither Tom DeLay nor Scooter Libby have been proven to be guilty of ANYTHING, even blowjobs.

Judging by the way the Republicans are scrambling to accomodate the liberals on the immigration issue, I’d say it’s more like a CULTURE OF CAPITULATION.

Posted by: Duano at April 4, 2006 11:51 PM
Comment #138084

Jack said: “Most politicians are honest. A significant minority are not.”

I used to believe that too, Jack. Until I finally understood the nuts and bolts of priority shuffling that takes place when freshman have been in office for a year. Tell me if you think this is honest?

Joe runs because in his heart he knows the system must change not only for his constituents and the future of the nation, but for his own kid’s futures as well. He runs with conviction on this theme and is elected to the House.

After he has been in the House for a few months learning the parliamentary procedures and rules governing committees and such, and the ropes on how a freshman can reach that position where they can actually propose and whip up support for legislation, something else also occurs. I call it indoctrination by the Party.

While he is learning the ropes, he is also being asked to vote on bills in the House. Some of them he doesn’t agree with, AT ALL! But, the Whip assures him that if he plays ball on these bills and follows the party line vote, his turn will come when he has legislation pending that reflects the changes he campaigned on. So, he goes along.

After a year or 18 months, he now has a voice on one or more committees and is thrown a bone to craft a bill that will be meaningful to his constituents and the promises he made. He got this far because he voted for or against perhaps dozens of bills which he would rather not have seen passed as they did, just in order to get to the point that he could craft something worthwhile.

Is he still honest? Is it honest to vote against your good conscience on a host of bills as the price to get to the point that one, two, or three bills that might do some good can be crafted in committee? Then, the bill he crafted has to be modified and compromised with the Party leadership and other representatives whose constituents may have a different take. And it may have to modified to meet the objections of campaign donors, special interest funders, and lobbyists.

Now his two years are up and he is facing reelection. Is he honest in going back to his constituents telling them if they vote for him he will continue to work for them? Knowing full well it is not them he spends each day working for but the party leadership, lobbyists, and donors who all threaten to pull the rug out from under his reelection campaign if he actually tries to work for his constituents. Afterall, time and again what his constituents demand is inconsistent with the demands of the donors, lobbyists, and party leadership.

Is he still honest by the time he runs for reelection? Joe Scarborough was such an honest politician, which is why he quit the Congress rather than sucker his constituents, and cheat the nation out of what it so desperately needs, yet again.

And its all well and good to say that, Well, that is the system. But, the plain truth is, it is only half the politician’s fault. The other half belongs to the voters for reelecting incumbents while watching the nation’s problems worsen. When the voters see things aren’t right in government, election after election, but, continue to vote the incumbents back in regardless, the responsibility has to also be laid at the voter’s feet.

This is the market forces at play on the voters resulting from a republic. They have no perceived direct responsibility for the product of government. They rightly rationalize, I elected him/her, now it is up to them to take care of things. Where in a more direct form of democracy, the responsibility for the product of government is more directly linked to how voters voted.

I am not advocating for direct democracy, government of necessity has grown far too complex for that. But, systemic improvement can only take place if the voters take responsibility for the results of governance and hold politicians accountable at the polls when they see the country is not moving in the right direction. So, far, however, that has not happened, we just play musical chairs between the two major parties without effecting the priority shifts that need to take place in politician’s minds.

Do well by the people and get reelected, failing that, losing the reelection bid. That is the priority system that must be installed. If it doesn’t, the country’s future will not improve.

Posted by: David R. Remer at April 4, 2006 11:55 PM
Comment #138088

here we have a few republican concessions, and the best the democrats on here can do is rub their noses in it?

this is pathetic. if we are “very lucky”, the democrats will take back congress. then while everyone heaves a collective sigh of relief, they will go back to their (less?) corrupt ways, and we will all be too grateful to notice that nothing has changed.

Posted by: diogenes (i) at April 5, 2006 12:23 AM
Comment #138106

interesting to note the Aldous is an anagram for


I think you are missing an “s” in your name.

Posted by: b0mbay at April 5, 2006 2:14 AM
Comment #138118

>>interesting to note the Aldous is an anagram for


I think you are missing an “s” in your name.

Posted by: b0mbay at April 5, 2006 02:14 AM


Right on the right track, just like many right-wingers…attack the messenger…leave the message out.

Posted by: Marysdude at April 5, 2006 7:13 AM
Comment #138147
b0mbay wrote: … Just don’t pretend your party is any different, especially when they are in power …
How true. Thank you!
Jack wrote: Most politicians are honest. A significant minority are not.
… followed by …
Jack wrote: If you spread out bread, you get pigeons and rats. … and … Look at all the pigs lining the New Orleans reconstruction trough. When we ask for government solutions, we get corruption.

Jack, are you contradicting yourself ?

OK. Who are the honest incumbent politicians? Can you name any? Can you give us 10, 20, 50, 100, or even 268 (half) of the 565 in Congress that are honest?
Do you really know?
Have you really researched our Congress persons?

Jack, perhaps you are simply afraid of the way things are shapin’ up, which is why you keep makin’ excuses for irresponsible incumbents.

You say your own senators and representative are “good guys”, but you ignore the many questionable votes and unethical things they do (as was listed in the rose-colored column … your Senator, George Allen (R-VA), often mentioned for the Republican Presidential nomination, loaned $470,000 to a Union President with whom he was having an affair. Reports indicate that Senator Allen forgave the loan recently, while toying with the idea of running for Governor of his home state. The same Union has recently endorsed Allen for Governor. Both Allen and the female union President deny any connection between the forgiveness of the loan and the endorsement).

The “In-Party’s” (i.e. Republicans’) turn at being irresponsible and unaccountable is coming to an end (for a while), and Republicans did just about everything they could to hasten it. There are good reasons why people think of “Republicans” when they think of “Culture of Corruption”. The truth is though, that it is merely a result of being the “In-Party”. Incumbents of all parties are not that different. This is exactly what politicians are hoping for. But, I’ll give you this…it would be difficult to find anyone more dedicated to lead the rose-colored column.

So, I keep asking, but few answer:

What good, honest politicians?
Let’s keep the good ones (if there are any).

[] Who is it that has a record of being responsible and accountable?
[] Who in Congress has not voted for pork-barrel?
[] Who in Congress rejects or voted against their greedy, unfair, cu$hy retirement perk$ far superior to those of the tax payers that fund them?
[] Who in Congress rejects money from big-money-donors?
[] Who in Congress rejects soft money and gifts?
[] Who in Congress truly promotes campaign finance reform?
[] Who in Congress has not looked the other way?
[] Why do they reject One-Purpose-Per-BILL and many other badly-needed, common-sense, no-brainer reforms?
[] Who in Congress is really a responsible person, because I think they would stand out drastically, like a bloody sore thumb?

  • We have tried this party, and that party.
  • We have tried conservatives, moderates, and liberals.
  • We have wallowed in the partisan warfare, and despised those that fuel it.
  • We have tried power and corruption, and we have forgotten transparency and accountability.
  • We have tried to live at the expense of everyone else, but complain about the danger of the growing deficits and National Debt.
  • We have tried to reduce waste and pork-barrel, but keep voting for those that bring the pork home, and bribe voters with the voters’ own money.
  • We have tried to ask government to provide for us from cradle to grave, but complain that bloated government meddles too much in our lives.
  • So, after we have tried everything else, why don’t we finally try the one simple, common-sense, no-brainer, non-partisan, honest, and responsible thing we were supposed to do all along?
  • Vote out all irresponsible incumbents, always, every election, until:
    • no more irresponsible incumbents exist,
    • government finally agrees to pass the many badly-needed, common-sense, responsible reforms that incumbent politicians have refused to pass for many decades,
    • and our many pressing problems are finally addressed, instead of being ignored and allowed to grow in number and severity, threatening the future and security of the nation.
Posted by: d.a.n at April 5, 2006 9:51 AM
Comment #138180

We live not in a culture of corruption but a culture of deception.This culture of deception was born on the day abortion was made legal.The liberal’s FOUGHT to make the murder of babies a way of life.They are to this day fighting to make it legal to kill even closer to birth babies.The liberals beleive the majority which is in fact the minority the white male which by the way are in fact the minority.since every other group of human’s have minority status.never the less they beleive that the white male is the roots of all evil.Thats why we have generation after generation of welfare recipiants.Thats why congress reps. can assult police officer’s as long as the police officer is white.This is not racial this is fact.THE LIBS.beleive that a parent don’t have the right to correct their children thus children grow up having no respect for authority.A good example is Rep. mckinney.THEY BELEIVE that instead of being a good parent they should be a good friend.I could go on for day’s but the truth of the matter is that every serious matter that face’s this country today can be traced directly back to the democrats!!!Every bad peice of legislation that has been shoved down the throats of the american people by liberal democrats are coming back to haunt us!There is good news as in past history the people that are hated the most will be the same people who clean up the mess that the liberal’s have made.

Posted by: justwondering at April 5, 2006 12:40 PM
Comment #138197


I hate to resort namecalling as well, but take a look at his previous posts before you jump all over me. Maybe read my previous posts as well and you will see that i am taking a rather fair minded and concilliatory approach to this topic.

More than I can say for others…

Posted by: b0mbay at April 5, 2006 1:52 PM
Comment #138199

Nobody here says that the current crop of Republicans are not corrupt. All I hear is that the Democrats are just as corrupt. Not possible, since they are not in power.

The Democrats HAVE BEEN corrupt. Yes indeed. But I think it took them about 40 years to become so bad that they were thrown out by Republicans. Republicans reached this terrible state of corruption in only 10 years in power. This makes the Republican Party the winner of the corruption sweepstakes.

Let’s kick the bums out.

Posted by: Paul Siegel at April 5, 2006 1:55 PM
Comment #138201


What 40 years are you referring to? Think logically about this for one second. Deep breaths. Any administration in power has the probablility of becoming corrupt for the simple fact that they wield power. Clinton was just as bad as the current crop. Remember pardongate?

Oh and, lets not forget - it wasnt about the blowjob, it was about the lying under oath (just thought Id clarify for the rewriters out there).

Posted by: b0mbay at April 5, 2006 2:01 PM
Comment #138203
Nobody here says that the current crop of Republicans are not corrupt. All I hear is that the Democrats are just as corrupt. Not possible, since they are not in power.
Ahhh. Clever, but no cigar. The “In-Party” usually is more corrupt. When Democrats get their turn to be the “In-Party”, they will be equally corrupt. History will back that up.

But, parties are not the problem or the solution.
All the partisan bickering is a clever distraction.
It is a powerful distraction, because too many are all too fond of wallowing in the petty, partisan warfare.

While each party is demonizing the other, the nation is going down the tubes.

Posted by: d.a.n at April 5, 2006 2:13 PM
Comment #138206

>>I hate to resort namecalling as well, but take a look at his previous posts before you jump all over me. Maybe read my previous posts as well and you will see that i am taking a rather fair minded and concilliatory approach to this topic.

More than I can say for others…

Posted by: b0mbay at April 5, 2006 01:52 PM


I looked back and found what I thought was a fairly even exchange. Aldous is somewhat of a satirist, and that is reflected in nearly all his posts. Perhaps it is you who should re-read this thread…

Posted by: Marysdude at April 5, 2006 2:23 PM
Comment #138208

aldous can be a satirist, but i got a clever little quip in there, and Im the bad guy?!?


BTW - D.A.N. so right you are.

Posted by: b0mbay at April 5, 2006 2:27 PM
Comment #138226


We can all clearly see it’s broken. Let’s fix it.
We have a system in place that creates and rewards corruption. We need to take back our government not from the Republicans but from all who are corrupt. At that point we can make changes to the system that are the root of the problem.
Just my $.02

Posted by: Andre M. Hernandez at April 5, 2006 4:40 PM
Comment #138231

And a very valuable 2 cents worth.

Posted by: d.a.n at April 5, 2006 5:09 PM
Comment #138290

>>and Im the bad guy?!?

Posted by: b0mbay at April 5, 2006 02:27 PM


Who said you were the bad guy? I just hinted at a couple of things I thought you should be aware of. Sorry.

Posted by: Marysdude at April 5, 2006 10:28 PM
Comment #138297
Oh and, lets not forget - it wasnt about the blowjob, it was about the lying under oath (just thought Id clarify for the rewriters out there).

My memory fails me but can any tell me what crime Clinton was charged to be dragged in front of a grand jury where he supposedly “lied” under oath.

Last I checked adultery wasn’t a crime. I’m not sure even getting a blow job is illegal.

Posted by: reed at April 5, 2006 10:41 PM
Comment #138317

>>Last I checked adultery wasn’t a crime. I’m not sure even getting a blow job is illegal.

Posted by: reed at April 5, 2006 10:41 PM


Both are if you are far enough right on the scale of ‘reasonable’ to ‘unreasonable’.

Posted by: Marysdude at April 5, 2006 11:50 PM
Comment #138372

I just love all this bickering about the ills of this party or that party: While you bicker and debate the planet dies.Hundreds of assorted deadly toxins pour into our oceans,air,soil and even our own bodies as I speak. The polar caps are melting while we drive our SUV’s. WMD’s are in the hands of Religious Fanatics.The US has thousands of miles of unprotected borders.Sooner rather than later some troubled soul or group will smuggle in a WMD and release it in one or more of our cities. An avian superflu is brewing.Overpopulation is causing us to kill each other and drown in our own filth. 90 percent of US wealth is controlled by 2 percent of the population. If the nuts or the toxins don’t eradicate us, the climate changes will.I address this to all the posts in this blog.Tunnel vision will kill us all.We are dying now. We just haven’t stopped twitching yet.
So argue all you want about politics and corruption. It is all pointless. The picture is so big that almost no one can see it. Enjoy the last decades of human dominance of the planet earth. Alas,she was beautiful once.

(sung to the tune of America,the beautiful)Thank you George Carlin.

Oh beautiful for smoggy skys/incecticided grain/for strip mined mountains majesties/above the fruitless plain/America,America, man sheds his wastes on thee/And hide the pines with billboard signs/from sea to oily sea!

The extinction of humanity is upon us…We all have bigger fish to fry!

Step1:Drastic population control.
Step2:Call a global meeting addressing all matters regarding pollution and deforestion.
Step3: The vast majority of resources must be split into 2 fields of endeavour: Slowing the death of planet Earth and the other:Getting off the planet while there is still time. Everything else is moot.

You may now go back to running your mouths while earth dies and man dies…Quick or slow.

Posted by: Mark at April 6, 2006 9:56 AM
Comment #138455

>>You may now go back to running your mouths while earth dies and man dies…Quick or slow.

Posted by: Mark at April 6, 2006 09:56 AM


Uhh, any suggested solutions? How many do I have to kill to make all this stop happening?

Posted by: Marysdude at April 6, 2006 2:22 PM
Comment #138468

marysdude do you eat with that filthy mouth?

Posted by: justwondering at April 6, 2006 3:11 PM
Comment #138765

Mark, I have to agree with you. I wish it wasn’t true, but it is. Humanity as a species is a failure. It’s not so much that I’m a pessimist, but the facts all point to this conclusion. We’re destroying the environment at an increasing rate, we can’t stop breeding so we’re crowding out other species, and most of us believe in a bunch of irrational bullsh@t.

Look at the news and you’ll see how stupid we are. Idiots blow themselves up because they want 72 virgins in a made-up paradise. I daresay fundamentalist Christians also believe in irrational things (although at least they don’t blow other people up). If we were successful we wouldn’t still be at war after thousands of years and we would be more rational and intelligent.

Ultimately I think a lot of this stems from how we evolved. We’re supposed to live in small groups in a world with very few humans. Part of the reason we destroy the environment is because where we evolved only a few humans existed, the savannah and forests were nearly unlimited. We didn’t develop with the need to conserve resources. The fact that we can now run out of the stuff we need is not something most people can get their heads around.

Unless we can really change somehow (such as developing a new philosophy or way of life), we’re probably eventually doomed, it’s just a matter of when.

Posted by: John at April 7, 2006 12:55 PM
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