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Feingold Rebuilds Democratic Party

Fighting Senator Russ Feingold is presenting 3 challenges - maybe more - to his Democratic colleagues in the Senate. The first was a resolution he submitted yesterday to censure President Bush for breaking the law. With their wimpy response, the Democrats muffed it and the issue was kicked to the Judiciary Committee. When the Committee drops the matter, as it surely will, Feingold will present his Democratic colleagues a second challenge by trying for a vote on his resolution in the Senate. If the Democrats don’t face the challenge then, he probably will challenge Democratic candidates on this during the primary.

In his resolution, Feingold stated:

"The President authorized an illegal program to spy on American citizens on American soil, and then misled Congress and the public about the existence and legality of that program. It is up to this body to reaffirm the rule of law by condemning the President’s actions."

Democratic leaders responded with fear. What will the Republicans say? Senate Minority Leader Harry Reid said he had not read the resolution. The resolution is short enough to read in a minute or two. House Minority Leader Nancy Pelosi said in a statement that she:

"understands Senator Feingold's frustration that the facts about the NSA domestic surveillance program have not been disclosed appropriately to Congress. Both the House and the Senate must fully investigate the program and assign responsibility for any laws that may have been broken."

In a situation where Democrats should be on the offensive, the Republicans are attacking. Senate Majority Leader Frist wanted an immediate Senate vote and Harry Reid objected. Reid acted like a frightened kitten. And listen to what the leader of the conservative Family Research Council, Tony Perkins, said:

"You know that Senator Feingold is out in left field when [House Democratic Leader] Nancy Pelosi [CA] is distancing herself from him. I mean, this is -- in a time of war, this is borderline treasonous behavior. I mean, this takes politics to a new low. I mean, this literally -- what he is doing -- puts our military and our nation at greater risk by sending the message that we're divided, that we're not intent on protecting our nation against terrorists. This is a bad move on his part. And you can tell."

Perkins and Pelosi on the same page?

What sort of Democratic Party do we have? When you don't stand up for anything you are not much of a leader. When someone like Feingold has the guts to do something, you don't hang him up to dry.

I hope that when Feingold gives the Democrats their next challenge, when he brings his resolution to the floor, maybe they will respond with more spine. Somehow, I doubt it.

We have only Feingold to fight for what non-elected ordinary Democrats want. We have only Feingold who is willing to rebuild the Democratic Party. We have only Feingold to make the Democratic Party the party of FDR again.

Howard Dean started the rebuilding. Russ Feingold will finish the job - if we work for his nomination and election as president of the U.S.

We need a bold Feingold, not a timid Clinton.

Posted by Paul Siegel at March 14, 2006 7:40 PM
Comments
Comment #133413

Forget Feingold, I think I’ve found a candidate all you liberals will ABSOLUTELY LOVE

Posted by: Duano at March 14, 2006 8:32 PM
Comment #133414

Try this LINK INSTEAD something went wrong with the last one. Believe me this is your perfect candidate. He embodies all the liberal values.

Posted by: Duano at March 14, 2006 8:36 PM
Comment #133415

The only reason on why the Republican Party has control of all three branches of government, is because the Democratic Party is in such a pitiful and crappy shape. Feingold is probably the Democrat’s only hope of winning the oval office, not Hilary who has made her “bones” off her husband. Feingold is exactly what most Americans should be looking for, a man with humble beginnings and who isn’t a flip-flopper, which many Democrats are. This man had enough balls to vote against the Patriot Act right after 9/11; he was the only one to vote against it at that time.

Posted by: greenstuff at March 14, 2006 8:37 PM
Comment #133418

Well, with the repuglican voting tendancy, democrats have their backs against the wall.

Posted by: tree hugger at March 14, 2006 8:50 PM
Comment #133420

its bout time we get some cheese in the white house, and feingold is about the only pure democrat left.

Posted by: Julian D. Curlin at March 14, 2006 9:09 PM
Comment #133421

Don’t forget Byrd.

Posted by: Aldous at March 14, 2006 9:11 PM
Comment #133424

Aldous,

You mean Byrd, the Klansman?

Posted by: Duano at March 14, 2006 9:17 PM
Comment #133427

Yes!! Please elect Feingold as the Dem Nominee in 2008. PLEASE PLEASE PLEEEEEEEEEZZZZZZ!!!

Oh, and keep giving Dean kudos too …

I respect the dems finally showing their true colors instead of their agonizing attempt to be moderate, god, even as a republican it was still painful to watch fellow Americans struggle so.

Of course, I don’t think such an easy opponent will necessarily be a good thing for the GOP. I’m a firm believer in tough competition because I think it makes everyone stronger. We’ll have to see if we are indeed handed a bye in 2008.

Posted by: Ken C. at March 14, 2006 9:21 PM
Comment #133428

Yeah, nominate Feingold. Liberal senators have such a proven track record in presidential elections, who else could you put up?

Posted by: Duano at March 14, 2006 9:24 PM
Comment #133431

Duano…….tell us what drives you to be so hateful??? Oh wait….silly me, I forget that you’re emulating you’re revered leadership and you have the bully moves down pretty good !

Posted by: Sandra Davidson at March 14, 2006 9:38 PM
Comment #133432

If you want Senator Feingold to run for President in 2008, please, come over to http://russfeingoldpetition.blogspot.com/ and sign the petition.

Thanks for your time.

Posted by: Kathleen Callon at March 14, 2006 9:47 PM
Comment #133433

Tony Perkins of the Family Research Council?

Another fascist rat that is operating from the sewers of the American religious community.

But he does represent intelligent design at it’s best,ugh?

Posted by: expatUSA_Indonesia at March 14, 2006 9:52 PM
Comment #133434

Sandra,

What have I posted that is so hateful? I don’t exactly have the market on sarcasm cornered on this site.

Posted by: Duano at March 14, 2006 9:52 PM
Comment #133435

Feingold was the first politician that I ever got behind, as i was just turning 18 when he first ran for senate. And I have backed him ever since. He is exactly what our country needs, unfortunately, I think he has a tough battle for the white house for many reasons. The biggest being his religion, (sorry for any offense I am about to cause here) those god fearing christians that go around thumping their bibles at anybody that scares them will scream the loudest. Second, those republicans running around in decocrats clothing will cry that he’s too liberal.
But to hell with them he need to be in the White House, maybe he can open a few eyes out in the world. Sorry if this is rambled and doesn’t make sense.

Oh I have a question that maybe someone can answer for me… Why are so many people climbing on Hilary’s bandwagon? What has she actually done that was any good???

Posted by: Decemberpsyche at March 14, 2006 9:53 PM
Comment #133436

expatUSA’s comment wasn’t hateful at all now was it? Wait, we’d better get the opinions of rats on their being compared to Tony Perkins. Gotta keep it PC, you know.

Posted by: Duano at March 14, 2006 9:55 PM
Comment #133438

As for my true opinion of Feingold, I don’t like his politics, but I gotta respect the guy. He doesn’t try to dance around the fact that he’s a liberal like certain junior Senators from New York are famous for. At least he stands for SOMETHING, and that’s a huge improvement over what you guys have had recently. I think he’s got what it takes to get the nomination, but that’s about it. Warner is your best bet.

Posted by: Duano at March 14, 2006 10:02 PM
Comment #133443

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Feingolds religion might actually work to his advantage, bringing some people back to the party, who sometimes vote Rpblcn for economic or other reasons. People who vote Democratic are probably less inclined to prejudice, than the red state Rpblcns.

I do not think that Pelosi and Reid are wimping out now, they are just being realistic considering the current subservient makeup of Congress. Democratic senators did wimp out in 2000, not agreeing to challenge the Florida electoral returns. If Carol Moseley Braun had managed to kept her seat, things might have worked out very differently.
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Posted by: ohrealy at March 14, 2006 10:22 PM
Comment #133445

Just signed the “Russ Feingold run for President” petition. I can’t wait to see Hillary dig up the dirt on this guy.

Posted by: Duano at March 14, 2006 10:27 PM
Comment #133446

I like Feingold. He is an honest man who has the courage of his convictions. But he is a dreamer. As Duano says, Hillary’s smear machine would destroy him if he ever tried to run for president or even party leadership.

Posted by: Jack at March 14, 2006 10:33 PM
Comment #133448

Ken C.
You took the words right out of my mouth. Run Feingold, Run Dean again, run Kerry again!
Three facts still remain:

1 Every president in recent history has had popularity ratings in the 30’s.

2. No matter how bad the Republican’s are pictured, or even actually screw up. The democrats have still only presented two solutions (and those only recently, health care and ports).

3 The Democratic party cannot control the far left which always scares the independants.

Posted by: Scott at March 14, 2006 10:44 PM
Comment #133458

Dirt on Feingold? Actually, his record is remarkably clean. He has two huge negatives: 1) his religion, and 2) two divorces, with the last one quite recent. I imagine if one of his ex’s wanted to make it hot for him, they could do a number. We haven’t had a vengeful ex on the campaign trail yet, not counting Hillary. I have a ton of respect for Feingold… maybe if he could run against Giuliani, the ‘x’ factor would cancel itself out. A debate between ex’s? Reality tv shows could merge with politics, and take it to the next level-

Posted by: phx8 at March 14, 2006 11:08 PM
Comment #133461

1 Every president in recent history has had popularity ratings in the 30’s.

I’d like to see a scenario from you then Scott, where Bush recovers from such bad polls? How he fixes Iraq to the nation’s satisfaction and regains credibility?

2. No matter how bad the Republican’s are pictured, or even actually screw up. The democrats have still only presented two solutions

Those on the Right live in a censored bubble and would never acknowledge a stated platform from the Dems. Here’s a link to the DNC website, anyway.

The Democratic party cannot control the far left which always scares the independants.

The Independents have a fresh example of what the stranglehold by the far Right has done to the Republican Party.

Feingold is advancing an appropriate admonishment of Bush breaking the law. Do you have a clue what the new South Dakota abortion law says about your party?

Posted by: Bert M. Caradine at March 14, 2006 11:20 PM
Comment #133463

Bert,

Having been adopted in 1968 and lived a fabulous life! I have one thing to say about the abortion issue. My biological mother had the right to choose, the right to choose the responsible thing and not kill me. Each one of us has the right to swing our arm all over. That is until it hits someone in the nose. At that point our right to swing our arm ends.A woman has the right to choose what to do with her body. She has the right to use protection. Sher has the right to have sex. She does not have the right to kill a life because she does not want to take responsibility for her actions. Sorry, I know you all will disagree. But That was me in there at three weeks, three months and at nine months.

Posted by: scott at March 14, 2006 11:42 PM
Comment #133466

And if you want to bring rape and incest into it.. My best friend in high school had a father/grandfather. His grandfather got his mother pregnant. Nasty? YES! Was he nasty? NO! in fact an abortion could have killed our student body President. His mother choose to make lemonade out of her lemon. She is today very proud of her “little” Doctor

Posted by: s at March 14, 2006 11:46 PM
Comment #133476

Bert,
Ilooked all over the DNC website. I found about 90% admin bashing. I found this followed by all articles that were bashing:

Our nation stands as a shining example to all the world of freedom and democracy, a unique honor that comes with a responsibility to lead.

Democrats believe that strong international alliances are the cornerstone of our foreign policy.


I found no stated policy solving any current problems. My hosts file did seem to block some spyware however from tracker.measuremap.com

I also found this:
Democrats support fair immigration reform that keeps our borders secure. Democrats are also united to ensure that the world’s most dangerous weapons stay out of the hands of terrorists. We will expand the pace and scope of programs to eliminate and safeguard nuclear materials, enhance efforts to keep these and other deadly materials out of the hands of terrorists, and assist state and local governments in equipping and training those responsible for dealing with the effects of terrorist attacks involving weapons of mass destruction.

And other than invisble unexplained programs, now where is the solution? and how does it differ form the Republican platform.

I encourage everyone to visit:

http://dnc.org/

and look for yourself.


“The Independents have a fresh example of what the stranglehold by the far Right has done to the Republican Party.”

you just keep pretending that the far right is as out of control as the far left. The abortion issue is rather split pretty well so I wouldnt call it a far right issue.

A December poll conducted by Zogby International, a respected nonpartisan polling firm, confirms that, by a 53% to 36% margin, the public supports the statement, “Abortion destroys a human life and is manslaughter.”

Some 68 percent of Republicans agreed with the statement that abortion “destroys a human life and is manslaughter” while 43 percent of Democrats in the U.S. also agreed.
FROM:

http://www.zogby.com/soundbites/ReadClips.dbm?ID=6982

and as far as Bush getting out of “this mess”?

Ronald Reagan was accused of starting WW3:

BBC NEWS | Americas | Reagan voted ‘greatest American’
Former US President Ronald Reagan is voted the “greatest American” in a poll which … If the same poll was done before Reagan died it might have yielded a …


Ahh Look it up! You Google, You decide!

Posted by: scott at March 15, 2006 12:57 AM
Comment #133487

Scott
Have you adopted any unwanted children? If not,you have no moral aithority to speak on the issue. If you have,God bless you.

Posted by: BillS at March 15, 2006 2:20 AM
Comment #133491

Jack:

Funny how you accuse Hillary for smearing. Had any Black Babies lately?

Posted by: Aldous at March 15, 2006 4:46 AM
Comment #133501

phx8, the 2 divorces might be more of a problem than religion, if there is some underlying undisclosed problem. I live less than 50 miles from his state, and have heard him named fondly by some Jewish friends, repeatedly. I never thought twice about him until he started showing up on the news recently. He probably comes down into Rummys former district, a good place for a politician to make connections with prosperous people. Now I am wondering if I may have met the guy, and not even remembered. He looks familiar.

Posted by: ohrealy at March 15, 2006 7:55 AM
Comment #133502

ohrealy & phx8 need to dig a bit further…
Reagan was divorced, and in Wisconsin the co-author of the Marriage Protection Act is himself divorced!
I think the religion issue is not going to be as important for Feingold as it is for Gov. Romney of MA, he’s a Mormon!
As far as Wisconsin goes, we seem to be able to produce politicians of high quality. Gaylord Nelson authored the EPA and Earth Day; Bill Proxmire, who replaced McCarthy, brought to light the excessive waste of government with his Golden Fleece awards.
Feingold is not a rubber stamp, defends the law and refuses to allow any administration to trample on our rights.
If you want to keep giving up your rights, keep voting Republican then.
It’s OK.

Posted by: Joe at March 15, 2006 8:02 AM
Comment #133510

Kathleen Callon

I went to sign the petition and was REQUIRED to give up a friend’s email address to sign the petition. I also tried to make a statement but was limited to 300 characters.

Very obnoxious and poor form. I like the guy and will support him, but someone over there needs to learn a bit about online etiquette.

Posted by: tony at March 15, 2006 8:42 AM
Comment #133511

Feingold’s terrific and it’s true the Dem Party could use a backbone transfusion. But it seems unlikely that he’s a viable presidential nominee any more than Clinton is. The Dems need a smart moderate who can make the big-tent concept work, preferably someone with executive (that is, a former governor) experience.

Posted by: Reed Sanders at March 15, 2006 8:44 AM
Comment #133513

How about Bill Richardson?

Posted by: tony at March 15, 2006 8:55 AM
Comment #133524

If Senator Russ Feingold runs for office I would vote for him in a New York minute!!!
Finaly sombody with some B***s!!!
Hillery reminds me of a Replican in drag!!!

Posted by: Ice-T at March 15, 2006 9:45 AM
Comment #133528


Bill Richardson fits the ‘conservative Democrat’ idea, but… his record doesn’t seem particularly strong in any other way. Has he done anything good that I missed? If Feingold can neutralize some of the hot issues, maybe he’s a good choice.

Posted by: Squeaky at March 15, 2006 10:13 AM
Comment #133529

Joe, you are a little confused. I would not vote for a Rpblcn if he was kissing my ass while I was at the local Greek Orthodox church where I vote.

Feingold represents Wisconsin, where they export cheese and do not get much pork in return. It has been historcally easy for their reps to vote against expenditures that do not benefit their constituents.

2 divorces are different than 1 divorce, it is 100 per cent more divorces.

Romney is fooling himself if he thinks an LDS member can get the Rpblcn nomination. Just ask Orrin Hatch. That church is resented by their base, since it proves that a Joe Smith can make up his own religion, out of his imagination and scraps of freemasonry.

Posted by: ohrealy at March 15, 2006 10:14 AM
Comment #133531

To me, it comes down this. To us DEMS, Bush violated the law with his NSA spying program, and we should be able to have solid representation from our DEM politicians. Right now, it seems like most DEMs in office right now would rather stay in office that do what is right.

If that’s the case - then I say let’s throw the bums out.

Posted by: tony at March 15, 2006 10:16 AM
Comment #133533

scott-

Not to get dragged into this abortion debate, but you should look up more figures…

FOX News/Opinion Dynamics Poll. Feb. 28-March 1, 2006. N=900 registered voters nationwide. MoE ± 3 (for all registered voters).
.

“Recently the South Dakota legislature passed a law that bans abortion in all cases other than to save the life of the mother. Would you support or oppose this law in the state where you live?”

.
Support Oppose Unsure
% % %
ALL reg. voters 35 59 6
Democrats 26 70 4
Republicans 49 47 4
Independents 32 58 11

Posted by: AParker at March 15, 2006 10:20 AM
Comment #133536

Off Topic
The abortion ban in South Dakota is the first step in a process that will also ban birth control, make the sale of condoms illegal, and force young girls who become pregnant to marry the father of the child. I am not kidding or being sarcastic. That is what the sponsor of the bill advocates. He was on The News Hour with Jim Lehrer on PBS last week.

Posted by: ohrealy at March 15, 2006 10:31 AM
Comment #133535

Off Topic
The abortion ban in South Dakota is the first step in a process that will also ban birth control, make the sale of condoms illegal, and force young girls who become pregnant to marry the father of the child. I am not kidding or being sarcastic. That is what the sponsor of the bill advocates. He was on The News Hour with Jim Lehrer on PBS last week.

Posted by: ohrealy at March 15, 2006 10:31 AM
Comment #133538

Feingold?
I thought the left wanted to win the next election.
Why not choose a Democrat to represent the Democratic party?
Many of us would welcome that.

Posted by: kctim at March 15, 2006 10:32 AM
Comment #133550

STOP BITCHING START A REVOLUTION!

Posted by: Lauren at March 15, 2006 11:44 AM
Comment #133575

ohrealy,

That’s as absurd as NRA advocates saying if the gov’t bans grenade launchers or .50 cal sniper rifles, the next thing banned will be personal hand guns for the home.

Extremists on both sides need to return to their hovel and let the rest of the people run the country.

Posted by: Ken C. at March 15, 2006 1:25 PM
Comment #133576

Paul, nice article.
Unfortunately, aside from a handful of intelligent posts (you people know who you are ;^), the responses in this thread really suck overall.

Feingold is simply the best there is in the Senate. Who doesn’t admire a guy who isn’t afraid to stand up for what he thinks and believes?
I personally relate very strongly to liberal politicians like him because in my own life, I’ve always tried my hardest to do the same. So do many, many other liberals, and I’m getting the distinct impression that there are more of us average liberal folks who agree with Feingold’s motion to censure, than approve of the cowardly reaction that has occured from the rest of Democrats in the Senate.

It seems to me, Congressional Dems, with only a very few exceptions, have been allowing to the Republicans to scare them away from standing up for what they believe. In fact, they’ve done this so often in recent years that many of us are unsure what the hell they actually do believe in at this point.
As I was recently reading in a blog I sometimes visit:

The term “reasonable” has no objective meaning, at least in the realm of politics. Whether an idea is deemed “reasonable” has little to do with the merits of the idea and everything to do with the prevailing political climate as interpreted by our national media. GOP strategists like Karl Rove long ago realized that the national media will treat any talking point that is repeated by enough people as ipso facto “reasonable,” and conversely, will treat any idea that is not repeated by a sufficient number of people as “unreasonable” or “extreme,” no matter what its objective merits. It’s a very crude calculus and one that is easily manipulated by shrewd partisans.
What Republican strategists have learned is that when a party speaks in unison, it has the power to define what is considered reasonable in the eyes of the national media, and in turn, the American public.

Democrats, however, cannot seem to internalize this idea. They approach politics as if the rules of reasonability and civil discourse are immutable or have been set by some neutral referee. When someone like Howard Dean steps over this arbitrary line, Democrats join the GOP in immediately calling “foul.” When a Republican steps over the line, however, more often than not his Republican colleagues act collectively to move the line. Suddenly we find ourselves in a debate over whether outing a CIA agent is actually a good thing, or whether a law that has been on the books for three decades and repeatedly reaffirmed by this President should be violated. It doesn’t matter what the consensus was five minutes ago. Talking points that would have seemed totally absurd days earlier suddenly become credible and reasonable, and for no other reason than they are being repeated by a chorus of Republican politicians, pundits, and bloggers. In this way, the definition of “reasonable” can be changed dramatically overnight.

For those of you who want to read the rest of this piece:
Sen. Feingold’s Censure Resolution is Moderate and Reasonable

I get the feeling that Feingold was testing the waters with his motion to censure — and that he (and we) have received an extremely dismal and cowardly answer. I think he did this to see whether his collegues could finally find a way for once to stand together in agreement. And I have a feeling that had he received enough support, the next collective step for the party would have been to declare that this president needs to be impeached for violating the Constitutional rights of American citizens.
But in their cowardice and fear, the Dems simply couldn’t do it.

Shame on them! Every single one of these bums should now be forced to vacate their positions for allowing our Constitution to be so thoroughly abandoned and shat upon by this Administration and Congressional Majority.
Feingold was merely solidifying a fact that many Constitutional scholars and lawyers have already acknowledged: Bush’s warrantless wiretap program is ILLEGAL, and falls easily within the impeachable category of high crimes and misdemeanors.
Even the Republicans have unwittingly acknowledged that he broke the law, because they now want to pass legislation that will make the President’s actions retroactively legal and acceptable from here on out.
But sadly, it seems the idea of publicly chastising this president for his illegal actions, as well as the illegal expansion of presidential powers, will never happen — due to the utter corruption and lockstep partisanship of the Republicans, and the complete and total cowardice of the Democrats.

In my opinion, true Liberals who aren’t afraid to stand up against the Republicans, and for what they honestly believe, are in desperate need of a new party. And it’d be nice to think that a few liberals like Feingold and several others (people with guts and intelligence) could be persuaded to be a part of such a movement.

Posted by: Adrienne at March 15, 2006 1:26 PM
Comment #133581


Bill,

“Have you adopted any unwanted children? If not,you have no moral aithority to speak on the issue. If you have,God bless you.”

And what moral authority do you maker this statement from? But besides that, I have no children but have helped countless people throught the process of adopting, and being adopted myself alone gives me authority to speak out on this. No one had the “right” to kill me.

AParker.
Your polls only prove my point even more. I said the issue was rather evenly divided. My point was that abortion is not a far right issue as bert was trying to make out.

Posted by: Scott at March 15, 2006 1:34 PM
Comment #133627

Hey,
Tom Harkin just joined Feingold into calling for censure of the presidents illegal wiretapping!
Last night I e-mailed every Democratic Senator (except for Liberman, who I consider a worthless GOP bootlicker) and asked them to put aside their fear and join him in defending our Constitution. Maybe if more people demanded this, more of them would find their spine and join Feingold?

You too can e-mail the Senators!

Posted by: Adrienne at March 15, 2006 3:40 PM
Comment #133640

Adrienne.. I’m from Ohio…. :( …sorry, I had nothing to do with the state giving away the election…….but I contacted my Repub senators anyway……bet I can tell you where that email will end up !!

Posted by: Sandra Davidson at March 15, 2006 4:33 PM
Comment #133641

Sandra:
I’m from Ohio…. :( …sorry, I had nothing to do with the state giving away the election…

This is totally off topic Sandra, but by any chance have any of your local news outlets made any sort of mention of this story?:

Hart InterCivic Whistleblower Warned of Texas, Ohio E-Voting ‘Fraud’ Concerns in 2004!
100,000+ Votes Were Errantly Added by Hart Machines in a Single County in Last Tuesday’s Primary via Flawed, Paperless ‘eSlate’ Touch-Screen System!
Former Hart Employee, Tarrant County TX Election Worker Notified State, Legal Authorities in 2004 About Serious Voting Machine Problems, Procedures…All Warnings and Complaints Ignored

Continuing in an exclusive BRAD BLOG series of Voting Machine Vendor and Election Fraud whistleblowers, another insider, from yet another voting machine company, has now come forward to reveal a myriad of known problems inside both the company and in several states and counties with whom they do business.
Posted by: Adrienne at March 15, 2006 4:53 PM
Comment #133652

Thanks Adrienne….I just checked it out and saved it so I can read it a little more liesurely later. Also sent the info off to a good friend of mine who works for my Congresswoman, and am quite sure they will find it most interesting. This admin. here in the State is every bit as crooked as the ones in D.C….as I’m sure you’re aware.

Posted by: Sandra Davidson at March 15, 2006 5:26 PM
Comment #133656

Adrienne,
What Senator Feingold has written on his garage door actually made me remember your name. I’m hoping you would reiterate. I’d like to see campaign finance reform be reduced to $1 or $10 a person. Simple enough to be written on a garage door.

It’s funny, Everyone was talking about his religion and I was wondering what his religion is until this post. I feel like such a, what? A putz? (insert chuckles here)

He got elected by adhering to a law written on his garage door. Why couldn’t anyone else?

Posted by: Weary Willie at March 15, 2006 5:37 PM
Comment #133657

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Feingold
That’s as absurd as NRA advocates saying…blah blah blah Annunaki cakes… Posted by: Ken C. at March 15, 2006 01:25 PM
Nonetheless, that is exactly what the anti-abortion movement is about. No Kidding, No birth control, no condoms, and shotgun weddings. Watch the real news, not Fux propaganda broadcasts.

On the 2008 election front, watch out for:
police roadblocks outside polling stations, intimidating poll workers, voter rolls that eliminate the names of valid voters, confusing ballot designs, faulty machinery with 4 per cent discard rates, and jammed phone lines to county election supervisors offices to confirm eligibility.

In my first election at my current precinct, I had to vote by affidavit, after I called the states attorneys office. When I registered, I was not aware that the legal name of the street where I live is actually quite different from what is posted on the street signs.

Democrats should go to the polls with all the information about where to call if they are challenged in their right to vote again. Otherwise we are only going to get three fifths of a vote.

Posted by: ohrealy at March 15, 2006 5:39 PM
Comment #133659

ohreally,

“Nonetheless, that is exactly what the anti-abortion movement is about. No Kidding, No birth control, no condoms, and shotgun weddings. Watch the real news, not Fux propaganda broadcasts.”

keep it up! I stand behind you 100% it is that kind of rhetoric that keeps the politicians having to try to straddle the fence with the far left and the rest of the democratic party.

and keep trying. the latest nielsons has fox with more viewership than cnn and msnbc combined.

Posted by: Scott at March 15, 2006 5:50 PM
Comment #133664

http://feingold.senate.gov/~feingold/releases/05/03/2005316855.html

Posted by: Weary Willie at March 15, 2006 6:11 PM
Comment #133667

A bunch of stuff there!

Posted by: Weary Willie at March 15, 2006 6:14 PM
Comment #133671

……bet I can tell you where that email will end up !!

Posted by: Sandra Davidson at March 15, 2006 04:33 PM

Is that why you’re in a swing state? I’ll bet you know where that e-mail ends up, too.
Not really, just being snotty.

Did you hear the NPR story about Blogs. It said Bloggs aren’t news-worthy. Not like a journalist interviewing a person. Du.
I’ll bet blogs get more research done on a certain subject than any congressman or senator staff can get done in the same amount of time.

Any bets on that?

Posted by: Weary Willie at March 15, 2006 6:34 PM
Comment #133684

Willie…..what I would be willing to bet is that if anyone took the time to check these hated blogs out, they’d get an absolute read on the pulse of the country. Of course what it doesn’t provide is the geography…. and as for the swing state thing, this was a real eye-opener for me because I came from California….and we didn’t give a rip that they were posting results before we could even get home to vote….we did our own thing.

Posted by: Sandra Davidson at March 15, 2006 7:08 PM
Comment #133685

O really, Do you watch “Cops”?

Posted by: Weary Willie at March 15, 2006 7:10 PM
Comment #133686

scott…

“and keep trying. the latest nielsons has fox with more viewership than cnn and msnbc combined.”

Guess that’s why so many of you are so misinformed……..

Posted by: Sandra Davidson at March 15, 2006 7:13 PM
Comment #133687

Willie…..are you asking me about “Cops”? I’m not sure how relevant that might be, but no….I don’t.

Posted by: Sandra Davidson at March 15, 2006 7:15 PM
Comment #133688

Sandra,

I think that means the majority likes to have debate and choose themselves. Do you wonder why radio america is majorly failing and has yet to make any profit and is being dropped by even new york city?

Posted by: Scott at March 15, 2006 7:17 PM
Comment #133690

Scott…….nope, guess I just figgered radio was going the way of dominoes in the parlor.
I don’t think debate is close to the right word to use….because there is usually a sense of fairness to some degree in a debate. Most neo-cons don’t ever want to accept the fact that there is another opinion out here. If you push hard enough, yell lound enough and close your ears to sound, then you just think you’ve automatically won.

Posted by: Sandra Davidson at March 15, 2006 7:27 PM
Comment #133696

Thats funny,

Google dominoes and you will find that they have had a very large comeback in the last two years.

And I find most Fox News screamers rarely watch it. I believe a quick google will also show “fairness too. Again all Look for your selves. There are groups that check these things you know. Look and see what you find.

Posted by: Scott at March 15, 2006 7:41 PM
Comment #133698

Who, Russ Feingold?

What is he? Apparently he’s Jewish. Unconfirmed as yet.

Where is he? In the state that Mondale was from.

When? 2008.

How?

Call the current president a criminal.

Remember how Ross Perot made sense? Did you see him on TV pointing at things that made sense?

The media couldn’t ignore him because he was paying the bill.

We ended up with a Governor from Georgia. A no-name no-body from Georgia. And he got elected, and nothing got fixed.

We did it their way for 93 years, so far we’re still fighting with each other.

Would Senator Feingold support the repeal of the 16th ammendment?


Posted by: Weary Willie at March 15, 2006 7:47 PM
Comment #133699

driving home at 6.30pm on those freeways that everbody loves well we have our radios! hell i still have to vote! 6.45pm a announcement on the radio well folks this is blah blah blah on klos 95.5 los angeles ca , ( with a listening audience of 5.5 million,) well folks it is all over al gore is the predicted winner and the next president of the united states.

Posted by: RODNEY BROWN at March 15, 2006 7:49 PM
Comment #133704

How about a Feingold/Obama ticket ? THAT ought to get the mudslingers into high gear! Personnally, I think this country should be looking in a new direction with something like a Feingold/McCain ticket or vice-versa. Do away with the Republicans and Democrats as we now know them. Any comments?

Posted by: smitty at March 15, 2006 7:58 PM
Comment #133708

I am for a Feingold/Feinstein ticket,
or Feinstein/Feingold, representing both ends of the party, but really, this is just a cookie test, I’m having a problem with this site.

Posted by: ohrealy at March 15, 2006 8:08 PM
Comment #133712

Sandra:
“Also sent the info off to a good friend of mine who works for my Congresswoman, and am quite sure they will find it most interesting.”

Cool. Passing these things on to each other seems to be the only way liberals can get the news out these days, unfortunately.
For all the news about election reform/fraud/ongoing legal actions, etc., I can’t recommend that blog highly enough. Brad Friedman always keeps abreast of everything concerning those subjects, and does quite a bit of good, investigative journalism on it, as well.

“This admin. here in the State is every bit as crooked as the ones in D.C….as I’m sure you’re aware.”

My condolences. :^/

“this was a real eye-opener for me because I came from California….and we didn’t give a rip that they were posting results before we could even get home to vote….we did our own thing.”

I’m posting from Northern Cali, myself — and I agree with this statement completely.

Btw Sandra, Scott doesn’t know what he’s talking about here:

“Do you wonder why radio america is majorly failing and has yet to make any profit and is being dropped by even new york city?”

Air America Radio president Gary Krantz: Air America A-OK; O’Reilly Criticisms False

PS. to Weary Willie, I don’t mean to be unecessarily rude sir, but as I mentioned the other day, your posts just never seem to make a lick of sense to me.

Posted by: Adrienne at March 15, 2006 8:24 PM
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The top of this thread started with a promo for an idea. Albiet, not the author’s intention.

I’m going to interject my idea.

Talk to Adrienne about campaign finance reform.
Talk to d.a.n. about efficiency.
Talk to Remer about appearance.
Talk to Willie about cement.
Talk to Feingold about putting a face on it.
Talk to the media about documentation.
Talk to the media about verification.

Fiengold could get elected if he thought of only his garage door. If he did he would have the strongest garage door in the world.

We should ask Senator Feingold if higher local taxes would result in lower federal taxes.

Could he describe an environment that can accomodate the old, middle aged, young and offspring?
All at once?

Would he consider abandoning the notion the federal government is the answer if a local government solution was at hand?

Posted by: Weary Willie at March 15, 2006 8:31 PM
Comment #133724

Adrienne…..how far north?? I was in Sacramento…I miss what Ca. has to offer, mostly the ocean, but not the cost, traffic, smog and etc….
Guess that it comes as no surprise that the link Scott provided on the Air America BS is a conservative news & opinion site.
I have Friedman’s site marked now, so will check it out regularly….thanks again.
Willie…..just what is it you’re talking about?? I read your posts and just sit here scratching my head……

Posted by: Sandra Davidson at March 15, 2006 8:57 PM
Comment #133729

I’m so glad to see our gloating Republican brethren out in such great numbers. True, we will probably run another dog (or worse a blue dog) in this election and be faced with a Frist or Brownback presidency, but guys, be careful what you wish for you just might get it.

Posted by: Newmanae at March 15, 2006 9:14 PM
Comment #133730

I forgot.

Talk to the media about, Zero emotion.

Posted by: Weary Willie at March 15, 2006 9:19 PM
Comment #133731

J’expliquerai le café fini

:)

Posted by: Weary Willie at March 15, 2006 9:28 PM
Comment #133737

adrienn!

“Btw Sandra, Scott doesn’t know what he’s talking about here:”

Sandra!
“Guess that it comes as no surprise that the link Scott provided on the Air America BS is a conservative news & opinion site.”

Google it! you will find all kinds I just gave you some place to start! Everyone search for themselves.

Better yet. Show me a source on how much profit they have made, and another on what their listenership ratings are! Ill be waiting for a source.

Posted by: scott at March 15, 2006 9:44 PM
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Kansas:

I think I put a link right below it. And just google it.

Pat
“Why is it Scott that its okay to push prayer in Public Schools as long as you’re not praying to Allah or Buddah?”
Who said that? I didn’t!

“There is no such law that prevents a farmer from farming his land to save a rat…”

Happened in Bakersfield- Google it!

“The Republicans don’t want to build on empty lots thats why they changed the Eminent Domain Laws.”

Starting with the supreme court- then on to around the country to find out who is behind this!
Google it!

“It is better to keep your mouth shut and appear stupid than to open it and remove all doubt.” Mark Twain.

Posted by: scott at March 15, 2006 9:48 PM
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Indeed. Samuel Clemmons was a remarkable man.

Posted by: Weary Willie at March 15, 2006 10:11 PM
Comment #133746

Scott. Do your own research.

Posted by: Weary Willie at March 15, 2006 10:15 PM
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Sandra:
“Adrienne…..how far north?? I was in Sacramento…I miss what Ca. has to offer, mostly the ocean, but not the cost, traffic, smog and etc…”

I’m in the Bay Area. Live in Oakland at the moment, but I just closed on a house in Berkeley, so I’ll be moving soon. I’ve got several very good friends who live in Sac who I enjoy going to visit with — I love the old part of that town.
As for living here, I agree it’s extraordinarily expensive. A person has to keep strictly to their budget if they want to live here happily, but if you really love the area, that doesn’t seem like such a terrible thing.
Mind if I ask what part of Ohio is home for you, Sandra?

Scott:
“Show me a source on how much profit they have made, and another on what their listenership ratings are! Ill be waiting for a source.”

Didn’t you read the article on the Billboard Website I provided?
Gary Krantz, president of Air America said:

Air America’s ratings “went up substantially” in the Fall 2005 book and its affiliate base has grown from 36 affiliates in January 2005 to 90 across the country, including internationally on Armed Forces Radio, Krantz said.

“Financially, Air America is significantly stronger than ever,” he added. “As of today, our booked and pending business for 2006 represents 83% of the entire revenue generated in 2005. We are also up to date on all of our financial obligations. Most importantly, we have a dedicated board and investors who support our business.

They went from 36 to 90 affiliates in ONE YEAR. They are financially stronger than ever.
Sorry to inform you of this, but no matter what kind of lies O’Reilly or Michelle Malkin, or some other rightwing pundit has been feeding you instead of the truth, Air America isn’t failing at all.

As for not doing well in New York, you’re wrong there, too:
AIR AMERICA RADIO RECEIVES BOOST AT FLAGSHIP STATION
Statement: New York - January 13, 2006

If all this isn’t enough info for you, I suggest you take a bit of your own advice: Google it!

Posted by: Adrienne at March 15, 2006 11:08 PM
Comment #133804

I only like Al Franken on Air America. I found most of the other DJs annoying. I used to listen to it while I was online, but I lost interest.

Posted by: ohrealy at March 16, 2006 1:22 AM
Comment #133807

I did google it. it is easy to add stations with big donations behind it. They are finacially sound with big money behind it. But are they making money? What about viewership?

Posted by: scott at March 16, 2006 1:42 AM
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Ohrealy,

Feinstein just recently called the NSA wiretapping program “an impressive program” as she is one of the dem leaders briefed in on the program. Feingold doesn’t know thing one about it, which I’m personally happy about by the way.

In any case, my point is that you’ll never see the Fein/Fein ticket since they differ on the #1 issue which has highlighted Feingold.

Posted by: Ken C. at March 16, 2006 4:30 AM
Comment #133860

I’m all ready sporting my “Feingold ‘08” button (cafepress.com) After the vote on the Patriot Act extension I decided he’s our best and, sadly, last hope. Barney Frank once said “Given the choice between a republican and a republican, people will vote for the republican every time.” Biden, Obama, Clinton, Kerry, Kennedy, Boxer, etal are all spineless cowards. Russ or bust!

Posted by: wobblie at March 16, 2006 11:02 AM
Comment #133907

scott…… you seem to have a tough time comprehending anything that you don’t write…perhaps you could concentrate on the incoming a little more. Thought the info you were given in adriennes last post was pretty clear.
adrienne…..I’m in a small town east of Toledo. Gotta say that it is most pleasant to live here after the big city/state atomosphere. My heart and soul, as well as my very best friend are still back there, though. I don’t see this as a forever thing.

Posted by: Sandra Davidson at March 16, 2006 1:53 PM
Comment #134004

FEINGOLD / OBAMA ‘08

Posted by: Jeff at March 16, 2006 8:37 PM
Comment #134059

Sandra,

“scott…… you seem to have a tough time comprehending anything that you don’t write…perhaps you could concentrate on the incoming a little more. Thought the info you were given in adriennes last post was pretty clear.”-

The put down was not necessary but ill try to explain. In common terms.

I have a million dollars in the bank. I open a doughnut shop. It cost say 100,000 a year to run. I am financially sound even if I dont ever get a customer. I can open three and be financially sound for three years without a customer.If I run out of money, my friend can give me another million.

Then one week I have 10 customers. I have “substancially increased my customer base. From Zero

Air America is financially sound. But it is not because they are making a profit. They have big Money behind them.

I have owned two bars. I didnt gauge sucess/failure by my bank statement. I gauged it by how many people walked in the door and wether ther reciepts that were comming through the till covered my costs. Its called a P & L or profit/loss.

Its common knowledge but you can google it and find lots of mainstream media that will show Air America has yet to get close.


Posted by: scott at March 17, 2006 2:35 AM
Comment #134133

>>it is easy to add stations with big donations behind it. They are finacially sound with big money behind it. But are they making money? What about viewership?

Posted by: scott at March 16, 2006 01:42 AM

Scott,

If I were going to open a radio station or a network, wouldn’t I be smart to infuse a large investment in it? What good to try to open a business with a small investment? Maybe I just didn’t understand this posting???

Posted by: Marysdude at March 17, 2006 1:29 PM
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WHAT COUNTRY DO YOU IDIOTS LIVE IN OZ?PLEASE COME BACK TO THE REAL WORLD.REMEMBER 2004 YOU CHUMPS AND LIBERAL POLLS HAD G.W.PACKED AND HEADED FOR TEXAS.DONT YOU EVER GET TIRED OF BEING WRONG?

Posted by: john counts at March 17, 2006 2:50 PM
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I agree that Feingold has the best credentials of anyone in the Dem Party.

But I don’t think he can win.

See, the Republican candidate always has at least three built-in advantages when it comes to elections.

1. He can raise more money because corporations know they can always trust the Republicans to do right by them in exchange for some generous campaign contributions.

2. He has the votes of the unthinking, robotic, idiots of America behind him; that’s a pretty big bloc of people who ALWAYS go to the polls and who he can always count on.

3. He can always find a Willie Horton or Swift Boat Veteran to throw a bogus issue into the campaign and divert people’s attention away from real issues — such as, why have our real wages been decreasing (except for that blip during the Clinton years) since 1972?

Besides, that idiot voting bloc gets REALLY energized when those Willie Horton issues come up.

So, the Democratic candidate starts out behind the 8-Ball. He has to hope for:

1. A real disaster in the economy (nowadays, it seems, that would have to be something along the lines of the Great Depression to counteract the power of the idiot vote)

2. A monkey-wrench thrown into the Republican works (as Perot was tossed into the Bush Sr. works in 1992)

3. Incumbency (Clinton in 96).

In the usual absence of those happenstances, there is only one surefire way, I believe, to counter these automatic deficits: charisma!

Some say Clinton got elected in 92 on charisma. I’m sure his charisma did help, but Perot helped even more. No, the candidate must have more charisma than that.

Alas, Feingold just ain’t got it. He’s just a little more exiting than Kerry. And that’s the same as saying he’s a little more exciting than watching milk curdle. Hillary has some charisma. But she simply pisses too many people off.

Democrats, if you want a surefire winner in ‘08, convince George Clooney to run. Guys admire him and women adore him. He’s smart, he knows the issues, he’s got liberal credentials, and, despite those credentials, even some Republican idiots might be tempted to vote for him.

Ronnie parlayed his charisma in 80. And the Cloon has got one big quality that Ron hadn’t: he’s got a brain to go along with that charisma.

Posted by: Martin at March 17, 2006 7:02 PM
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Censuring Bush is a bit too little too late. He’s a lameduck president. I would much rather see impeachment proceedings than just a slap on the hand. This president has no, absolutely no regard for the common American. He is in a fairey land led by a bunch of old men who have no conception of what is going on in the world….who care more about becoming a name in the history books. I for one are looking more to our Good Neighbor to the North …..they are more democratic than America……..

Posted by: Bruce at March 20, 2006 12:47 PM
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