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Plamegate: The Leak That Keeps On Leaking

It was reported today by the Raw Story that Valerie Plame was not just another CIA agent, but was in fact the Directorate of Operations for tracking the distribution and acquisition of weapons of mass destruction technology to and from Iran.

These new revelations take the seriousness of this leak to a whole new level. It is no longer a case of political retaliation on one of Bush's dissenters, it is now known that the leak has caused severe damage to U.S. intelligence gathering in Iran and has put the country in a very dangerous position.

According to the Raw Story article, "Several intelligence officials described the damage in terms of how long it would take for the agency to recover. According to their own assessment, the CIA would be impaired for up to "ten years" in its capacity to adequately monitor nuclear proliferation on the level of efficiency and accuracy it had prior to the White House leak of Plame Wilson's identity."

It has become even more important that we find out who the leaker was; this was an act of Treason.

Posted by JayJay Snow at February 14, 2006 5:02 PM
Comments
Comment #125095

Of course, if this is true anyone who actually had a such knowlege and talked to journalists about it committed a more serious crime than the person who actually outed Plame, since they would have revealed not only one person, but also given details of operations.

Posted by: Jack at February 14, 2006 6:34 PM
Comment #125141

Its just another example of this administration shooting themselves in the foot. The CIA should disappear Novak, Rove, and Libby, send them to Uzbekistan for interrogation, and then to Guantanamo.

Posted by: ray ohrealy at February 14, 2006 7:54 PM
Comment #125199

“It was reported today by the Raw Story that Valerie Plame was not just another CIA agent, but was in fact the Directorate of Operations for tracking the distribution and acquisition of weapons of mass destruction technology to and from Iran.”

#1 - Some journalist, yet again, damaging the security and intelligence efforts of the country that allows him/her to use certain rights they purportedly honor. I’m now completely convinced most American journalists would simply prefer a quick transition to reporting for Pravda or Al Jazeera.

#2 - If this is accurate (a gigantic “IF”), why wasn’t Plame on post? Why was she in Asia at cocktail parties with her husband? As someone who helped defend our nation’s freedoms, I don’t recall hanging out with my spouse drinking cosmopolitans during duty. So, perhaps this revelation has several tentacles most of which would rather be wished away by Plame.

Posted by: Ken Cooper at February 14, 2006 9:29 PM
Comment #125256

So let me understand your point Ken,

We’re suppose to believe CIA Director Porter Goss when he says the NSA leak to the New York Times on Bush’s illegal wiretapping has caused serious harm to our security, yet we’re also to question his Agency’s veracity when it confirms Plame was covertly running a highly sensitive operation, regardless of her whereabouts in the past few years?

This reminds me of Republican House Intelligence Comte. Chairman Pete Hoekstra on Sunday’s Meet The Press demanding an investigation of the New York Times’ reporter that broke the wiretapping story. However, when Tim Russert asked Sen. Pat Roberts if then Dick Cheney should be investigated over sworn testimony from Scooter Libby that the Vice-President authorized similarly leaks of NSA Intel, such an idea became frivolous and unnecessary.

A Bush White House PR offensive may succeed in swaying just enough polled Americans. Yet nonetheless, with Bush’s worsening credibility, Congressional Republicans cannot justify breaking the law in an election year.

Posted by: Bert M. Caradine at February 15, 2006 12:19 AM
Comment #125258

Ken:

Plame is a spy in the James Bond mold. No low key trenchcoat activities for her. The best place to hide is right out in the open. Her office was in spy central.

Perhaps she could have avoided this if she had followed Mat Helm’s model of espionage. He worked out of his apartment and seldom did interviews.

Seriously, I agree with Jack that if this leak is true, the “journalist” has done a great deal of damage to America’s espionage program.

Posted by: goodkingned at February 15, 2006 12:25 AM
Comment #125296

Only in the republicans’ opinion is the outing of Valerie Plame not important. OF COURSE IT’S IMPORTANT!!!.
Let’s not allow this spin to degrade the seriousness of this action.

Posted by: Cole at February 15, 2006 3:05 AM
Comment #125338

What would her being at a cocktail party have to do with the White House making her a target for other countries?

Posted by: mary at February 15, 2006 6:57 AM
Comment #125387

She was not a covert operative and does not fit the requirements of the law supposedly broken,and after 2 years of investigating by competent people they have yet to prove a crime was committed and have admitted they did not look into whether or not she was covert or not before charges were brought.Millions have been spent on a witch hunt to get a top official guilty of anything they can pin on them to prove all the false accusations are true.The Dems hate Repubs and will do anything to get back at them because they want there power back and they forget the voters chose the Repubs over them because they said what they were going to do and did almost everything they said they would in spite of the anchor dragging efforts of the Dems.They are like children who lost their sand box priveledges because of their bad behavior so they destroy the sand box.They demand the Repubs work with them while they are publicaly are trying to ruin them.This country had been run by Dems for 60 years and we are worse off.I was a Dem and I watched them take away our controls of our local schools and our children are not better off.We did not have the problems we do now because we had control locally and our children learned more useful skills to be able to work and support themselves,but,we have raised several generations who look to the government to support them by taking from the ones who work for their living and give it to people who in most cases can work but won’t or aren’t educated in a skill so they could support themselves or the think that some jobs are beneath them so they won’t take them especially since they would have to give up the free support.We as individuals have the obligation to take care of ourselves and our governments job is to create an environment where we can.That is in the constitution,nowhere does it say the government shall provide our daily bread.The order of things have been changed by people who believe it is wrong to be successful if there is anyone in the world who is not.Success of some causes others to be successful,taking from the successful and supporting others hinders the successful and makes slaves of recipients of the free aid.It is the duty of each person to take care of himself and his family the best he can on his own,but the successful are not barred from helping,but, it should be voluntary,not forced.Communism and socialism take and redistribute creating a government run welfare system.Requiring all who can work to do so for their wages or assistance and helping those who can’t work to learn how do do something productive as they are being helped will result in a stronger nation of people in America.Not what we have now.This has all been said before and now more people believe in Christian principles even if they are not Christians.America was founded so an individual could be free to be successful and enjoy the fruits of their labor,not be restricted so they cannot be successful or have their fruits taken form them and the government take a big bite and give the rest away on their vote buying projects.We had this done to us in the countries our ancestors came from and the same kind of thing has been creeping into our government since the founding of the USA and now is being challenged.We are at war with those who say they are fighting for our rights but their laws have slowly taken them away and given them to the government.I will support any person who not only says they want to protect our rights but are actually doing things to give the ones we lost back to us. Just a side note to my President,If I am talking to a terrorists or you even suspect it,listen in,I have nothing to hide.If I have something to hide,I deserve to be caught.If you don’t do all you can to protect us none of our rights will matter.

Posted by: RDAVIDC at February 15, 2006 9:47 AM
Comment #125392

So, RAVAVIDC, what the hell does your post have to do with the topic other than your first two sentences?

Here goes the “spin zone” again.

Michael M.

Posted by: Michael M at February 15, 2006 9:58 AM
Comment #125395

By the way, in yesterdays Sacramento Bee it was noted that the Bush Administration has spent over ONE Billion, on PR efforts. Now, RDAVAIDC could not that money been better spent on our schools that you are so worried about?

Just wondering.

Michael M.

Posted by: Michael M at February 15, 2006 10:03 AM
Comment #125433

When will you people stop covering this admins ass? They screw up just about everything, including a simple game preserve hunting trip, lie about it, cover it up, try to ignore it, and basically do whatever they damn well please with no accountability. And all you people do is argue pointlessly in defense of pure stupidity, arrogance, and incompetance. Is this some Pavlovian prepubescent male response to a strong father figure? I just don’t get why anyone with a modicum of individual intellegence can’t see it.

Michael,
Did you actually read the rant? (full disclosure, I didn’t get past word five, much less sentence two)

Posted by: Dave at February 15, 2006 12:09 PM
Comment #125551

RDAVIDC

PROOF THE REPUBLICAN PARTY HAS BECOME A
CULT.

WITH - FOX / RUSH / OREALLY.

BEING THERE PREFERED BRAND OF
KOOL AID

There is no limet they will
not go to in order to defend
the madness.

If you can not tell what party
your reporter belongs to they
might be a real reporter and
not a politicl advertisement.

Posted by: Honey P at February 15, 2006 4:26 PM
Comment #125554

two more words.
KEN STARR

Posted by: Honey P at February 15, 2006 4:30 PM
Comment #125659

RDAVIDC,

My God. Where to start? What a diatribe. There has been about a measly 1 million spent on Plamegate and the investigation has been completely professional and non-partisan. The only reason that Fitsgerald did not investigate Plame’s status is because justice was obstructed by the Bush regime and he could not effectively investigate the original crime. You Republicans spent over 70 million in a highly partisan investigation that was directed deliberately at crippling the Clinton Presidency and now you want to cry crookadile tears over 1 million - please. Sure - Clinton was a scruvy dog - so am I - but - you did succeed in crippling his Presidency to the point that when he knew where Osama was at, he was too politically weak to launch an attack against him - and so he failed to protect us, and 911 happened. He failed - sure - because of his weakness - sure - because he was a scruvy dog - yes - but also because of your 70 million dollar partisan Republican attack on his Presidency - so please - no crookadile tears now.

I agree, Johnson’s “Great Society” was a well intentioned but ill conceived attempt to help the poor and disinfrachised. It did not work. It was never going to work. It certainly was never going to work in the middle of a war… That is ancient history. The Democrats gave up thw welfare state decades ago. Bush is now trying to create a great “Great Society” for the rich and privledged - you know the people who can shoot someone - and not be bothered to have to talk to the police until 14 hours later - after they have sobered up. Bush has given the rich tax breaks exactly equal to the excess Social Security Payroll taxes paid by the working class and just like Johnson he is doing it in the middle of a war. Then he wants to cut our Social Security - that we have worked our whole life to earn.

And there ther is this idiocy about: “I have nothing to hide so let Bush spy”… I am just going to import part of something that I wrote in my blog at: www.rayspoliticalblog.blogspot.com so the article will probably have a lot format problems - if it is too hard to read you can just go to my blog and read it there - go there anyway.

We must fight to force Bush II to accept the rule of law…
to accept that he must not spy on Americans
without Constitutionally mandated oversight
from the Congress and the Judiciary.

Under the evil genius Karl Rove, the Bush Regime has became superb propagandists. They have used demonstrably misleading, false, repetitious, “proto-fascist big lie” style talking points to confuse many Americans into believing that we must chose between being tough on terrorists and protecting our Constitutional Fourth Amendment rights against being spied on without a warrant… without judicial oversight… without any checks on unbridled executive authority. The FISA Court would allow everything that Bush claims that he is doing, so, why does he want to set himself above the law, and claim this excessive, and unconstitutional executive power for the Presidency? Does he want to be King?
For the sake of argument, lets ( you) assume the very best. Assume that Bush really does just want this power in order to protect us from terrorists. Assume that he will not use this excessive Unconstitutional power to spy on political rivals, and use the information to political advantage, there by undermining our Constitutional Democracy. Assume that he will not use this excessive Unconstitutional power to spy on journalists in order to get advance warning of negative news stories so that he can be prepared to lie and politically spin the situation, there by undermining our Constitutional Democracy. Assume, if you must, that Bush will not use this massive Unconstitutional executive power to spy on powerful politicians, Supreme Court Justices, Journalists, high government and military officials, and business leaders, in an effort to find embarrassing or incriminating evidence that he could use to black mail them, there by undermining our Constitutional Democracy. Go ahead… you naive and foolish Republican… make all of these foolish and dangerous assumptions… fool… “Power corrupts.” Excessive power corrupts excessively. “Absolute power corrupts absolutely.” Bush probably is abusing this power… but even assuming that he is not abusing this power… Once this awesome, massive, unbalanced, excessive, Unconstitutional power is successfully gathered into the Presidency, do you really want to trust that some future President - like maybe Hillary - will not abuse this power… you idiot Republican… Do you really want to trust Hillary with that kind of power? I am a Democrat, but it would scare the bahgeebees out of me to think of Hillary or any other Democratic President having that kind of power - with no Judicial oversight - with no Congressional oversight - with absolutely no checks and balances… Bush is probably abusing this power, but if he is not, some future President will… some Republican… some Democrat… The power will be abused. Our Constitutional Democracy is hanging by a frayed thread. Are you Republicans daft? I say again… Where were you? Why weren’t you marching in the streets with us?

Posted by: Ray G. at February 15, 2006 9:46 PM
Comment #125695

Paragraphs please my friends. Paragraphs, paragraphs, paragraphs.

I’m too feeble minded to follow long, non-stop posts.

Just trying to lighten things up. Everyone keep posting however they please.

KansasDem

Posted by: KansasDem at February 15, 2006 11:23 PM
Comment #125731

Holy Crap!

Cheney Says He Has Power to Declassify Info:

http://news.yahoo.com/s/ap/20060216/ap_on_go_pr_wh/cheney_cia_leak_10

What the hell is this? Think about it, this is the same administration that fought tooth and nail over releasing info about the Katrina response.

Have I ever mentioned arrogance?

I’m feelin’ pretty dumb right now for suggesting to Paul Siegel that we “take the high road” regarding Cheney’s “shooting incident”. Now I know why he shot that lawyer!

The lawyer told him his legal rationale sucked and Dick musta’ said, “Go F*** Yourself”. Like, uh, that’s never happened before. Yep, that’s gotta’ be it, then his gun misfired.

I no longer think Bush, Cheney, & Co. should be impeached. They should be tried for high treason, PERIOD! Then they and all those who aided and abetted them should at the very least be forever EXILED after stripping them of all their ill-gotten wealth.

KansasDem

Posted by: KansasDem at February 16, 2006 12:55 AM
Comment #125868

Kansas Dem, I’m with you.

Cheney’s claim is so bloody outrageous. But of course he’ll be allowed to get away with it — after all, they’ve gotten away with everything else, haven’t they?
Meanwhile, over at the Dept. of Injustice, Gonzales is Withholding their Plame Emails. Oh, and they’re also going to be probing their own role in the spy program. No doubt that’ll work out well for them.

Btw, have you heard about how Sen. Arlen Specter as part of his work on the Senate Appropriations Committee earmarked almost 50 million dollars over the past four years so it would go to the husband of one of his senate aides?
Wasn’t that sweet of him to do?

There seems no end to this unethical behavior. Really makes me wonder how much lower these crooks can sink…

Posted by: Adrienne at February 16, 2006 10:53 AM
Comment #125936

KansasDem,
Thanks for link. I think it is outrageous to say that the V.P. claims to have the authority to declassify information that aids and abets our enemies. The law of the land (the U.S. Constitution) begs to differ. The leak of Valerie Plames identity has set our intelligence gathering capabilities in Iran back 10 years. What was the reasoning behind the authorization to declassify this information? Why has this revelation only come to light now? If the V.P. has such authority then why wasn’t that brought up at the beginning of the investigation, instead of covering it up?

Posted by: JayJay Snowman at February 16, 2006 1:19 PM
Comment #126094

Could you explain to an ignorant, brainwashed conservative how the Plame leak is more damaging to the country than the NSA wiretap leak. Outing an already outed CIA agent or letting Al Qaida know we’re listening. I don’t get it.

Posted by: Duano at February 16, 2006 7:41 PM
Comment #126193

Duano,

Much of the answer to your question is implicit in the second half of my post above which clearly explains how the warrantless NSA wiretaping represents a massive, dangerous threat to the very survival of our constitutional democracy… therefore the NSA leakers are possibly / probably simply whistle blowing patriots - but I don’t care - investigate - find them - hang them out to dry - but in the process we need to get to the bottom of this illegal unconstitutional power grab by this megalomaniac President / facsist King.

Furthermore, there is no evidence that the warrantless NSA wiretapping is the least bit effective in protecting us.

Finally it has been common public knowledge that the NSA had the technical ability to listen to thousands of phone conversations and data mine keywords and phrases for the last 20 years. I have seen a number of articles describing this in the last twenty years - and so Osama already knew that - the only knew info is that they are doing it to Americans without a warrant.

Posted by: Ray G. at February 16, 2006 11:58 PM
Comment #126202

Duano,

The NSA wiretap leak wasn’t about the wiretapping itself (which I’m sure didn’t come as a surprise to any terrorists or anybody else for that matter), it was about wiretapping Americans without a warrant. Terrorists’ knowing that does nothing to put us in danger. If you think terrorists felt secure in their electronic communications and didn’t already suspect they were being listened to, then you are brainwashed, dude.

The leaking of Plame’s identity on the other hand put our Iranian intelligence gathering capabilities in jeopardy. We have lost time and intelligence gathering on Iran because of this leak. That is serious.

Posted by: JayJay Snowman at February 17, 2006 12:24 AM
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