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The Bush Administration Evaluation

When it comes to performance evaluation of our leaders, it is only common sense that we weigh the positives and negatives of their overall job performance along with that persons ability to use a common sense cost benefit approach in their decision making. They must have the ability to handle the many different tasks that need to be performed for a large number of people with such diverse socio-economic needs as we have in the United States and abroad.

When we look at the policies of the federal government it’s becoming more and more difficult to make the assumption that they have our interests at heart, based on a simple cost benefit analysis of the Bush administration. It seems those with wealth and power reap the benefits and we the people are left paying all the costs.

Let's look at the winners and losers along with factors that may or may not have influenced the policies.

Environmental issues and Federal Government policies

Winners: Big Oil and energy companies.

Losers: The planet Earth and the people who live their.


The war on Terror

Winners: Iran (Who not only desire WMD, but are close to possessing them and hate U.S.)
N. Korea (Who have WMD and hate the U.S.)
Haliburton KBR and other Defense contractors.
Big Oil

Losers: Iraq(Who have no WMD)
American taxpayers
Our military and their families
All social programs that have been cut to support the war(Fin.Aid, Food Stmps. etc.)

Factors:
Cheney's 2000 income from Halliburton: $36,086,635
Increase in government contracts while Cheney led Halliburton: 91%
Minimum size of "accounting irregularity" that occurred while Cheney was CEO: $100,000,000 (One hundred MILLION dollars)
Number of the seven official US "State Sponsors of Terror" that Halliburton contracted with: 2 out of 7
Pages of Energy Plan documents Cheney refused to give congressional investigators: 13,500
Amount energy companies gave the Bush/Cheney presidential campaign: $1,800,000
* Cheney claimed that he supported the U.S. sanctions on Iraq, but the Financial Times of London reported that through foreign subsidiaries and affiliates, Halliburton became the biggest oil contractor for Iraq, selling more than $73 million in goods and services to Saddam Hussein's regime. (See http://gwbush.com/spots/postpage.html for a Washington Post article on the matter.)

"Conservation may be a sign of personal virtue, but it is not a sufficient basis for a sound, comprehensive energy policy." --Cheney, in a speech in Toronto, Canada, May 1, 2001.

The ongoing fracas over Cheney's Energy Plan ties together many of the themes of his working life: his corporate alliances, especially with energy companies; his view of oil as integral to U.S. foreign policy; and his insistence on secrecy for the activities of the Executive branch.

Chevron honored Rice by naming an oil tanker Condoleezza Rice after her, but controversy led to its being renamed Altair Voyager [8],[9], and [10]

She also headed Chevron's committee on public policy until she resigned on January 15, 2001, to become National Security Advisor to President George W. Bush
"What makes the new Bush administration different from previous wealthy cabinets is that so many of the officials have links to the same industry - oil.
The president, vice-president, commerce secretary and national security adviser all have strong ties to the oil industry. " From BBC News

Healthcare

Winners: Pharmaceutical companies

Losers: Poor and elderly who depend on Medicare and Medicaid
The uninsured
Children
Elderly

Factors:
Rumsfeld has served on the boards of pharmaceutical companies Gilead Sciences, Pfizer Inc., and Amylin Pharmaceuticals, according to Open Secrets (http://www.opensecrets.org/bush/cabinet/cabinet.rumsfeld.asp).


Chair of the Board of Directors at Gilead Sciences until named to the Bush cabinet and, like [Vice President Dick] Cheney, still has ties that bind to the 'old company.' Now isn't it an 'amazing coincidence' that the drug Tamiflu (http://www.gilead.com/wt/sec/tamiflu) patented by Gilead Sciences is being pushed by the National Institutes of Allergies and Infectious Diseases as the NUMBER ONE choice for flu, which, is sweeping through in one epidemic after another," Free Market News related (http://www.freemarketnews.com/Feedback.asp?nid=578) October 21, 2005, from a January 2004 web posting.

As of September 22, 2004, Rumsfeld held a "stake in Gilead Sciences Inc. worth $5 million to $25 million." [4] (http://www.boston.com/news/nation/washington/articles/2004/09/22/rumsfeld_sold_stakes_in_pentagon_contractors?mode=PF)

Incidentally, Newsday reported (http://www.newsday.com/news/health/ny-hstami224479997oct22,0,4136757.story?coll=sns-ap-nationworld-headlines&track=mostemailedlink) October 22, 2005, that, according to drug makers, Tamiflu "will remain in short supply for as long as a year because of the drug's complicated chemistry."


Government Accountability
Haliburton contracts, Abramoff scandal, NSA wiretaps and data mining, CIA agent V. Plame outing, Prison abuse at Guantanamo and Abu Graib, Secret prisons in Eastern Europe, No Defense spending oversight, Homeland Security inaction and monetary abuses, "Faulty inteligence" leading to war, underfunding No Child Left Behind, Downing St. Memos, 2000 Florida vote fix, Staged townhall meetings with hand-picked dupes, propoganda ads here and abroad.


Domestic policy
ex. Making FEMA part of Homeland Security and appointing a friend(Horse judge) to run it, Attempting to appoint unqualified long time friend to Supreme Court only to have the "far right" and his own party bully him into withdrawing her name and Social Security reform that was so ignored by the American people he just shut up about it, Terry Schiavo and the "culture of life" fiasco that highlighted the hypocrisy of the far right and this administration.

Winners: Bush's friends
His critics
"Right Wing" Kooks
Terrorist recruiters

Losers: The poor and middle class who live in Luisiana and Mississippi
Federal Government credibility
Terry Schiavo's family
The people who voted for Bush
The people who didn't
The Constitution


Factors:
Cronyism, hypocricy and underestimating American inteligence, oil dependency, power, wealth, a blatant disregard for civil liberties here and abroad.


Foreign Policy: Confused form of bullying that requires alot of explaining and apologizing.

Winners: Iran and N.Korea
Russia and China
India
Any Nation that hated us who's reasoning has been validated

Losers: American people
Our credibility
African nations we continue to ignore
Science and AIDS researchers
Any U.S. group who denounces human rights abuse in other countries

Factors: Foreign policy that is based on ignorance, fear and disrespect for the rest of the world

Anyone who says with a straight face that this administration is doing a good job hasn't been watching.


Posted by Andre M. Hernandez at January 19, 2006 10:53 AM
Comments
Comment #114620

Amen! I cannot think of one area that is better off for the common man since Bush took office.

Posted by: Vex at January 19, 2006 12:43 PM
Comment #114621

“Let’s look at the winners and losers along with factors that may or may not have influenced the policies”

Let’s look at [WHO YOU THINK ARE] the winners and losers along with [YOUR OPINION] on what may or may not have influenced the policies

One sided “evaluations” are like polls, you can make them look and say whatever you want them too but it doesn’t mean its representive of the whole issue.

We hear the lefts message:
Bush bad; ONLY liberals good.
Those who support Bush are stupid; ALL Americans should live how liberals want us to live and let liberals think for us.

Posted by: kctim at January 19, 2006 12:44 PM
Comment #114622

Andre:

It must have taken a fair amount of time to create your onesided list of laments. I’d love it if you would have taken a little bit more time to have made it more even handed.

There certainly are negatives in the Bush administration, as there are with any Presidency. But there are positives as well. Unfortunately, you haven’t looked at these, and even when many on the left see positives, they find a negative reason for them.

The economy is a great example, since many on the left have denied that the economy has improved. First it was a recession, then a jobless recovery, then the wrong kind of jobs, and then worries about inflation. Its always easy to find negatives if you want to. The difficulty is in finding a rational viewpoint of things, and you’ve failed to do so.

Posted by: joebagodonuts at January 19, 2006 12:53 PM
Comment #114625

Andre
Glad to see that the new year hasn’t done anything to change youe perspective on things..if anything you are even titing more left ,if that’s possible.

That’s ok.People with your outlook are vitially important in keeping the current administration in place for the forseeable future,I guess.

I will be happy to parse any one of your list out in full provided we can have an intelligent discussion and not bomb throwing…my new year’s resolution is to be a kinder,gentler,compassionate conservative…just like my president.

Which of the list grates you the most?I will be happy to exchange enlighteded ideas with you.

Posted by: sicilianeagle at January 19, 2006 1:11 PM
Comment #114631

Joe:
Much like Andre’s one-side approach to all-things-against Bush, you’re view of the economy is also, (maybe not so equally) one-sided.

Yes, for the investing community, the economy has rebounded from the recession. And yes, there are many people making money. In fact, i remember a little while back when the Oil Companies were pulled into congress about making RECORD PROFITS (while everyone else was paying through the nose); so, yes, some people think the economy is very good.

Remember the cost-of living and inflation has risen too. Health-care costs has gone up tremendously since Bush began. How many people fell off the insured rolls because of it?

But really, what does the average-joe think of their situation? Do you really think that the person that takes public transportation or commutes to a 9-5er everyday says, ‘Yup… i’m better off that i was when Clinton was in office.”?

Me? i don’t think so.

Posted by: john trevisani at January 19, 2006 1:43 PM
Comment #114635

joebagodonuts- you seem concerned that Andre presented his list from a liberal POV. Personally, I believe there is no denying any of his points. However, I am willing to give you the benefit of the doubt. If you would, please explain to me how the Bush administration truly benefited the environment (in light of his refusal to continue with a number of global accords), war on terror (in light of invasions of other countries who had nothing to do with terror while ignoring Osama Bin Laden), energy policies (while allowing Cheney to keep his energy panels secret), healthcare (while cutting funding by giving tax breaks to the uberrich), services to the poor (while cutting funding by giving tax breaks to the uberrich), domestic policy (also, please explain the ongoing fiasco of Hurricane Katrina aftermath), etc.
Where I come from, when you hire someone for a job, they are expected to do the job. They are expected to report what they are doing, or they get fired. Apparently the guy that was hired for this job thinks he can do whatever he wants and not have to tell anyone what he is doing. Perhaps you can shed some light.

Posted by: Kathleen at January 19, 2006 1:54 PM
Comment #114637

For the folks who think the economy is one of Bush’s pluses, check this out.

http://www.epi.org/content.cfm/pm110

Posted by: Tim Crow at January 19, 2006 1:54 PM
Comment #114638

—But really, what does the average-joe think of their situation? Do you really think that the person that takes public transportation or commutes to a 9-5er everyday says, ‘Yup… i’m better off that i was when Clinton was in office.”?—

Average-joe here, only I work (with commute) 7 to 6 everyday.
And Yup, I’m way better off than I was when clinton was in office.

Jbod
“I’d love it if you would have taken a little bit more time to have made it more even handed”

Same here Joe. A fair approach would have left room for debate.
Instead, we get (yet again) another hate Bush piece based on opinions and assumptions.

Posted by: kctim at January 19, 2006 1:54 PM
Comment #114639

Joe- BTW, working for the King, Clown, or Kid flipping burgers doesn’t constitute a job to me.

Posted by: Kathleen at January 19, 2006 1:55 PM
Comment #114642

Andre doesn’t like Bush? I’m shocked, SHOCKED! it’s not like he’s posted his views on Bush before or anything…

Haven’t we seen enough “Bush sucks” articles? I doubt either side could change anyone’s mind about the Bush administration at this late date and even if they could, it wouldn’t matter in the long run, since he can’t run again.

Andre’s article is just a list of complaints that we’ve all heard before.
I’d like to see more articles like JayJay’s From the Past; The Fuel of the Future or Paul’s Fight Iran with Friendship.
They were forward thinking pieces that proposed ideas for the future.

Posted by: TheTraveler at January 19, 2006 1:57 PM
Comment #114646

“Where I come from, when you hire someone for a job, they are expected to do the job”

But there will ALWAYS be those in that company who don’t support the way the job is being done. No matter how good or bad of a job the hired person is doing.
Take you saying “Tax cuts for the rich.”
Andre used the same tired sentence.
Half the voters say tax cuts for the rich and the other half say, I got a tax cut and I’m not rich.
Its all about the different ways of thinking and what party the guy in office is.
Andre left no room for debate. You either agree with HIS opinions or you are wrong.

Posted by: kctim at January 19, 2006 2:06 PM
Comment #114666

Finally a great forum to get this question answered!

How has Bush improved the United States? We need specifics.

Posted by: MyPetGoat at January 19, 2006 2:36 PM
Comment #114686

kathleen:

I’m not sure it will matter much to you, since you seem to have a firm grasp on your opinions, but here’s a short list.

The economy has improved dramatically since the tax cuts were enacted. Many on the left said the tax cuts wouldnt work—now that they HAVE worked, those same people are saying that it wont work in the long term. That’s yet to be seen, to be honest. A good economy brings in money—-if it brings in enough money, then it will have worked. But notice the shift in the left’s version: first it was not going to work, but once it did work, then came the shift.

Katrina was a disaster of unprecedented proportion in the US. It wasn’t handled without mistake, but an even handed viewpoint certainly would not point the finger solely at the federal government. There were plenty of local and state decision makers who failed, along with the decisions made in NO for decades to essentially ignore the problem.

Ecology—that one, I’ll give you. I don’t think Bush has done a great job on that issue, though I agree with not joining Kyoto. So too did the previous administration, so its a bipartisan agreement there.

War on Terror: Well, there has yet to be a recurrence on US soil of 9-11. Thats one measure of success. I expect at some point there will be a reoccurrence—don’t know under whose presidency it will be, but I see it happening. Iraq is coming around, with the elections and Constitution. I know I know—-you don’t agree and thats okay….lets not rehash the whole Iraq thing yet again.

I’d appreciate if you could show me all the cuts that you claim have been made. I havent seen them—enlighten me.

Posted by: joebagodonuts at January 19, 2006 3:11 PM
Comment #114900

joebagodonuts, kctim and sicilianeagle,

If there is information that you can prove inaccurate in this post please do so.

The environment is being disregarded in favor of “Big Oil”.Is it coincidence that this entire administration has ties to that industry?

Domestic policies that have made alot of Americans question their confidence in our leaders. NSA spying, FEMA, cutting programs for the poor and elderly, relying on the pharmaceutical companies to dictate healthcare policies that benefit them and screw the people who rely on medicaid and medicare, Abramoff.
You can disagree but these are not just meaningless bitches by the left. They’re real concerns that are continuing to pile up.

Posted by: Andre M. Hernandez at January 20, 2006 12:22 PM
Comment #114903

You’re right, Andre.
Tim Crow — excellent link.
Judging by the responses to this article so far from folks on the right, it seems that they’re getting pretty weary under W., and very tired of hearing those of us on the left evaluate his performance. Personally I think that many of them actually know he’s doing quite a crap job as president, they just don’t like to talk about it.

Posted by: Adrienne at January 20, 2006 12:31 PM
Comment #114909

It is hard to believe that there are still people that believe that Pres. Bush is doing a great job.
Look at what is happening right now- Bid Laden is at it again. I feel we should have taken care of him first before we attacked Iraq. As a mother of 2 sons who are in the military, I am angered by the actions of Pres Bush. Yes, my sons volunteered,(after 9-11 alot did). However, they did not volunteer to go to war ill equipped, without justification and serving 2 tours in Iraq. Some units have gone for more.
Economy - Do you really think everything is ok? Lets see - more jobs going overseas - pensions not being honored, in some cases companies will not offer them. Yeah, you can get a job, min-wage, and you struggle with that.
No, as far as I’m concerned this Pres. should be impeached for lying to the American people.They tried to impeach Pres. Clinton for having an affair. No lives were lost. You can’t say the same for Bush.

Posted by: Norma at January 20, 2006 1:01 PM
Comment #114918

For the record:

I don’t hate Bush, I hate Bush’s performance. It’s never been a personal thing. Don’t know him, don’t want to know him. Why does everyone keep whining on and on about Bush haters. (I’m guessing these are similar to freedom-haters and evil-doers… Really poor attempts and creating a biased labeling scheme.)

Please explain to me how criticizing the way someone is doing their job is equal to hate. Get it right, at least: we hate the job Bush is doing.

Now that we’ve settled that, can you find fault with us being critical of Bush’s performance? In light of every horrific failure of this administration, he deserves to be harshly reprimanded.

I could see your point clearer had these all been discussions on his choice for SC Justices, or ideas on Social Security. Those are differences of opinions and beliefs, and are open for discussion and interpretation. We are discussing Bush’s Administrative failures. FAILURES. Doesn’t that word ring harshly with someone you voted into office and have avidly supported? Don’t you expect better? If you truly feel that the Republican platform has more to offer the common person, the economy, the moral center… can’t you demand better of those who speak and act for you?

Does Bush suck? Don’t know, ask his wife. Does his performance suck - yes. If you think otherwise, please explain. Either way, stop this whining about us on the left being hateful… we’re not, we’re incredibly disappointed and concerned.

Posted by: tony at January 20, 2006 1:40 PM
Comment #114945

tony, well said.
I think too many on the right have tried to portray the left as doing nothing but personally attack this administration simply for partisan purposes. Now, I won’t claim I haven’t made some snide remarks about W. personally from time to time (after all, who could resist?), but it really is their overall rotten performance and their blatant dishonesty that truly upsets and concerns me the most.

Posted by: Adrienne at January 20, 2006 3:46 PM
Comment #115015

So much error. So little time. Let me take only the last one - foreign policy. Let’s go through your categories.

Winners

Iran - I expect you are right so far. You no doubt advocate a more aggressive, less multilateral approach. It seems to me that the President in Iran has been following exactly the type of policy liberals claim to advocate.

North Korea - is about the same as it was under Clinton. Nuts is nuts.

Russia - also about the same.

China - our relations with China are much improved. If that makes them (and us) winners, that is good.

India - relations are also much improved. The improved relations with India and Japan are one of the really big trends of the last few years. U.S. - India partnership. India and the U.S.

Losers

American people - don’t think so. That category is too broad. I guess the robust economy, 4.9% unemployment etc are suffering.

African nations

We have never been so engaged in Africa. Clinton talked; Bush acts.

some new initiative toward Africa.

Aid to Africa has almost doubled under Bush. The U.S. provides 33% of all the funding to fight AIDS and TB. We are CAPPED at 1/3. We were prepared to spend more, but we had agreed that the U.S. would pay no more than 1/3 of the world total. Is it too much to ask every other country in the world to pay their share?

Posted by: Jack at January 20, 2006 10:08 PM
Comment #115069

All

What good did the president do?

Good question.Very good question.

For me(and for virtually all Americans) September 11 was beyond shocking.

Like the day that John Kennedy was assassinated(yes,even though I dupm on Ted every opportunity I can,his brother was a LOT different),I can remember exactly where I was when I heard the news about the Twin Towers.

When the president addressed the nation that night,and later when he addressed the Congress,there was a determination of spirit,a sense of profound anger that I think reflected most of the sentiments of Americans….at least this American.

When we began the bombing in Afganistan and began to see the Northern Alliance on those grainy CNN reports,my view was that we should bomb those bastards to rubble not once but twice.

I was heartned when we kicked the shit out of the Taliban and within three weeks made their management team into cave dwellers.

I emotionially likked the Taliban’s activities to Saddam.

The Taliban sucked,I thought,and so did Saddam because he hated America and what it stood for.That bastard was annilatng his own people I reasoned,what’s to stop him from from throwing one of those WMDs at us I thought.

On CNN and in every papers that I read(and believe me I was deep into this thing,one announcement after another came out:Britian says that Saddam has WMD’s.The Egyptian imntelligence confirms WMDs.Russian confirms WMDs.Isreali Mossad confirms WMDs.George Tenent says “slam dunk”.

In those days,with the dust of the twin towers still on us and with our nationial psyche still deeply injured,a significant portion of Americans,in light of the above information that was hitting us on a daily basis came to the conclusion that Saddam too should be bombed to ruble once and for all.

My reasoning at the time,and something that I still agree with today ,was that if the president didn’t act…after getting bombarded with all this info confirming wmds,that he would be criminally negligent.

Imagining how I would act on a new job only 9 months before Sept.11 ,and bearing the responsibility for the greatest nation on earth,I would make that same decision again and again.

As time passed,the wmd thing blew up based on faulty intelligence.By that time the politicial process was getting untracked.a presidential election was underway and the mantra of”Bush lied” began.

I was furious because I didn’t see a “lie”…I saw a decision based on bad intel,but not a lie.

I saw the president age a decade every month.How he had the force of strength ,the will to put forth that unflinching determination as hyneas came forward,I will never know.

After Saddam was found in the rat hole,after Turkey failed to give the 4th ID permission to use their air space,the remanants of the Republician Guard started their fear campaign ,compounded by tribal affliations,religious differences and general confusiuon along the way(along with a whole list of very bad decisions made by Paul Bremer and others) that created a shit storm.

Nonetheless,a democracy…no…two democracies were emerging and that is a good thing.

So count me among the president’s supporters.He is a good man that was burdened with an impossible task coumpounded by the fact that politics in this country is a vicious,corrupt and dirty profession and that our Congress is filled for the most part by vicious dirty and corrupt men and women who look for every opportunity to push forth their agendas,whatever they may be.

Posted by: Sicilianeagle at January 21, 2006 6:41 AM
Comment #115083

The history of the world did not begin the day President Bush was elected,but,the Democratic party has been in control of the government and the Congress longer than the Republicans have and yet everything wrong is some how Bush’s fault.He is the President,he does not make law,Congress does.He signs or vetos what he is sent and both parties put junk in the legislation that gets passed in order to get some good he has to pass the bad.Line item veto would prevent this,or not allowing earmarks to bills presented that have nothing to do with the main reason for the bill.These earmarks are what the campaign contributions from special interests (bribes) are for.This is abuse of power by both sides and it does not matter who is in the majority.This has been happening long before a Republican was ever elected President,but party has ever tried to stop this practice.

Posted by: RDAVIDC at January 21, 2006 8:32 AM
Comment #115084

Sicilianeagle -

Thanks for the thought put into your reply.

I’d agree with you that 9/11 was horrible day for everyone, however I fail to see how this excuses his failures. I know many will quickly shoot down this analogy but: the President is the Captain on our ship, and when it runs into ground, you can’t hold anyone else but the Captain responsible. (OK, the previous Captain may have set a dangerous course, but as Captain… if it’s on your dime, you own it.)

I’ll agree with you that some people think he is a good man, but I don’t know him and I’d guess you don’t know him. Most of what we see of the President is rigidly controlled through exceptional PR professionals (I know a lot about this area.) However, even if I give him the benefit of the doubt, he still has failures - and likable failures are still just that, failures.

Once he set things in motion from 9/11, he (or those truly in control) used the patriotism and the anti-American label to do whatever they felt should be done without reproach or dissention… and the result of this was Iraq. We were not allowed to have an open and informed discussion. We were told ‘not only to we know that they have them (WMDs) but we know where they are.’ We were told ‘either you’re with us or against us’ and warned about ‘mushroom clouds.’ They also used the ‘how dare you question the President during a time of war’ (Afg.) to push us prematurely into Iraq. At this time, we were no longer under the immediate pressures of 9/11. We were engaged with the Taliban and Al Qaeda… And by everything we’ve seen, Iraq was a strong temptation to the President – but can only be loosely connected to the engagement of ‘freedom-haters.’ The main argument was WMDs – the democratic Iraq idea came out only after the WMD was seen as collapsing. And the main failure in our Intelligence was the failure to ‘think twice, act once.’ Bush made his decision, and it was wrong. (When you run a corporation and you ignore the Asian market, that’s wrong. When you run a country and over 2000 people die and 10000+ are wounded for life – that’s inexcusable.) He failed us – and that’s part of a job at the level of the Presidency – failure at that magnitude should be immediate termination from the Board of Directors. Just because our Board has no balls, does not mean the President did not fail.

Since the invasion of Iraq, the President’s response to disaster (both natural and political) has been ‘the boy in the bubble.’ Everything is fine. ‘Mission Accomplished!’ ‘ Bring ‘Em On!’ That’s an argument for his PR team to make, but not his. We are facing enormous issues, and our leader should be engaged and actively working on solutions, and that’s impossible for him to do when he’s main complaint is that everyone always says things are going bad. He seems to believe that by saying things are going well, that they will somehow change and start going well. It all seems to similar to the arguments an alcoholic makes. I’m not going to suggest that we’ve not seen small successes, we have, but that is all we will ever see (small…) until our President accepts that he has made poor decisions and wants to see the real picture. Only then will he have a real idea of how to change things for the better.

This Administration has failed with the 9/11 report and their suggestions – and that should seem key to implementing to avoid another attack here. I don’t buy that successes have occurred that have prevented an attack – they caught one guy at the Canadian border and the guy with the shoes just before blowing up the plain. The main reason – based on track records – Al Queda requires 3-6 years to plan an implement an attack. They were successful in Spain, and then London. It’s horribly premature to take credit for success… And it seems to boastful and ignorant. If you want to share specific examples… OK, that’s fine… But to just suggest success simply because an attack has yet to come … That belongs in a bar room fight, not our Country’s leaders.

This gets to our latest scandal – NSA spying. This seems the only focus against terrorists… One that can not be measured or facts disclosed… And the same boasts ‘we’re stopped countless attempts from terrorists by implementing this program’ ring completely hollow. Sorry – but trust me can not be substituted for facts… Not in something of this magnitude. If they can fail so badly at the 9/11 Commission suggestions, how can they be trusted so easily with something that flies in the face of our Constitution.

Posted by: tony at January 21, 2006 9:18 AM
Comment #115167

N. Korea (Who have WMD and hate the U.S.)
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The North Korean government is certainly one of the strangest on earth. It is a one-man dictatorship, but you can vote for him when you’re only 17. Kim Il-sung is designated in the constitution as the country’s eternal President, although his son, Kim Jong-il is now in charge. Is anything sounding familiar? It has a terrible human rights record, with detention camps and the use of torture. Sounding more familiar? Their flag looks suspiciously like the Texaco logo or the Texas state flag.

Posted by: ray ohrealy at January 21, 2006 3:44 PM
Comment #115220

OK folks. Here’s the deal. It really doesn’t matter what Bush has done, or in his case hasn’t done, during his reign. What does matter is the future of this country. Does anyone care what happens to the people??? If so, then at some point we are all going to have to quit throwing stones and try to find some common ground on the biggest issues. Economy, environment, equality, etc. I do not like Bush nor would I ever in a million years call my self Republican. However, this proud Texas Democrat does realise that eventually we all have to quit having temper tantrums and grow up!!! Anyone who’d like to respond to me is more than welcome to do so.

pusspuss1981@sbcglobal.net

Posted by: Andrea at January 21, 2006 5:48 PM
Comment #115236

When I was a Democrat I hated Republicans,too,But I had only what the Democrats said to go by.They have had a majority for decades and THEIR ideas have failed and a majority in America know it now because we have the internt and other people who can now get the other message out.I’m not a Republican,but I am not a Democrat either and I will not be either until they both use common sense about spending and remember they work for ‘US’and work together and remember the MAJORITY rules.Right now the Democrats are saying Bush is using his power wrong,but,past Democrats have also abused their powers,right now there are’Big Businesses’ behind the Democrats and supporting them with money just the same as ‘Big Businesses’ are supporting them.They are different,but they are still “special interest groups”and they do not always have our best interests in mind,so we who actually voted for them are left out.I support the President,but Congress makes the laws and they are the ones who make this mess as I said in my previous post.If we can stop the pork by all the parties we would see Fedral Government shrink and the State Government get back their powers and we as citizens would have more control.We need to stop depending on the Feds who only take and depend on ourselves and help each other and let the Feds do what the Constitution says they are supposed to do,PROTECT us,that is the Presidents chief responsibility and that he is doing.The pasts Presidents talked to long and did little or no good.We may have a repeat of a 911 event,but,only if we stop doing what has worked and I know there are many who disagree on what is being done,it is over there not over here and that is good not over here which is bad.Each congressman should be careful not to weaken our efforts to eliminate the threat of terrorism and should co-operate with the Majority President in every way and not leak this or that because that impedes his efforts.Remember,you will not be exempt from their wrath if they succeed in taking over the world as they have stated that to be their intentions.They are not left or right Dem or Repub,they are MURDERERS.They attacked the Pentegon,and the Towers,but by the Grace of GOD and some BRAVE poeple you CONGRESS PEOPLE were spared and you owe them and AMERICA the same co-operation you would get and have gotten in the past when Democrats were the majority and Repubs and others were the minority.Americans in the past did not fight for our independance and to keep it just to loose it.The world would be better off without terrorists,not just the USA and we are not the only ones fighting them over there.If you want our people home like I DO,give the President and our people all the money and support you can reroute from the pork.

Posted by: RDAVIDC at January 21, 2006 6:44 PM
Comment #115242

Sorry about the misssspelled words.

Posted by: RDAVIDC at January 21, 2006 6:49 PM
Comment #115250

Sicilian Eagle,

Your words, “So count me among the president’s supporters.He is a good man that was burdened with an impossible task coumpounded by the fact that politics in this country is a vicious,corrupt and dirty profession and that our Congress is filled for the most part by vicious dirty and corrupt men and women who look for every opportunity to push forth their agendas,whatever they may be.” imply to me that if confronted with lies Bush & Co. must prove themselves better liar’s, if confronted with corruption they must show they’re able to overcome the corruption by being more corrupt.

Let’s start with one little thing (Ok not so little). Bush has already outlined his “fix-all” for healthcare. How does increased participation in HSA’s help a couple with 2 kids that each work for $7 to $9 per hour and have no group plan through work? Who pays when one of their kids, or themselves, gets so sick they have to go to the ER? The ER’s frequently treat patients that could have avoided an ER visit with a $65.00 visit to a clinic and $200.00 worth of medication, but they just couldn’t afford it. So, who pays?

If, as I expect, you pay taxes and pay for healthcare, YOU PAY! OK these deadbeat healthcare abusers that don’t care enough to provide for their own or their childrens healthcare can be sued for non-payment of the ER debt. Ever try to squeeze blood out of a turnip? Of course there are possible cures for this. We could go back to the era of debtors prisons. Or we could send all children of poor folks to foster homes, that’s already proven to be an excellent system. Of course YOU would have to pay taxes to pay the foster parents and the kids would then undoubtedly qualify for Medicaid. We could even put the parents in prison. Oh, but then YOU’d have to pay taxes to pay for the prisons.

Well, I guess we could turn to the “Soylent Green” era. (I loved when someone brought that up recently) Now, I know I’m gonna’ hear, “what about Bin Laden”? “What about Saddam”? “What about the economy”?

My answer is, “what about healthcare”? If we can keep this “thread” alive long enough I’ll be glad to discuss each and every topic. I just hate to overload anyone that obviously had trouble with those “connect the dot” books.

KansasDem

Posted by: KansasDem at January 21, 2006 7:15 PM
Comment #115268

It`s nice to see all this energy a-flow,
democracy on full throttle!

This brings me to a question!
Why are/do we consider ourselves to be left/right, Conservative/Liberal, Dem/Rep or any other label(we place upon ourselves)? It is time to wake up to what is truly at force here!

I have had the (pain &) pleasure of serving in the Armed Forces(20yrs), Currently I work in the offshore financial industry! This gives me a unique perspective at this day and age. One that allows me to see exactly what fuels this (lack of) debate within our own Congress! Oh, and by the way, offshore is where most of Cheney and Bush operate financially (see Carlyle Group)!
Where am I going with this?

At the end of the day, you guys are the little mice on the wheel, running to a place you will never reach. Only to feel you`ve arrived when you are told so by your LEADERS! Example: Debate amongst yourselves all day, til you`re blue in the face, its healthy! It keeps you focused
(kept under control). Some of you will begin to see where this is going. Those that are ready to question the system have a leg up and are considered a threat, radical, so forth and so on! They usually get shut down or labeled by the powers to be(Example;CIA leak). Those that need to be lead in this time of distress and fear are themselves to the manipulation that allows them to be controlled. They`re no threat to anyone but themselves! Take a look at the big picture.
In conclusion:
“In framing a government which is to be administered by men over men, the great difficulty lies in this: you must first enable the government to control the governed; and in the next place oblige it to control itself.”
James Madison wrote in the Federalist Papers (Circa 1867)

YOU ARE THE GOVERNED TO BE CONTROLLED!! NOW THIS GOVERNMENT CAN`T CONTROL ITSELF! This is what we should fear!

Posted by: Rick at January 21, 2006 7:58 PM
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Wow! I have a tough time believing anyone who is so close-minded. How can your facts be believed when all you do is bash? Anyone who is so close to being fanatical must be doubted. Andre, you need to look at more than one side of the equation of life. I’d hate to see you in charge.

Posted by: Chris at January 21, 2006 8:59 PM
Comment #115338

At least I didn’t vote for him…..
Kind of figured this would be the way it went.

Posted by: nqarg at January 21, 2006 10:38 PM
Comment #115377

Oops, guess we shouldn’t of fooled with these safety measures:

http://news.yahoo.com/s/ap/20060122/ap_on_go_pr_wh/mine_safety;_ylt=Av2u1my2PvRCop7HLnT_uWOyFz4D;_ylu=X3oDMTA5aHJvMDdwBHNlYwN5bmNhdA—

One more failure?
KansasDem

Posted by: KansasDem at January 22, 2006 1:49 AM
Comment #115831

sicilianeagle,

The United States Federal government has ignored environmental issues in favor of oil and energy, allowed price gauging by oil companies and it’s just a coincidence that this administration is connected to “Big Oil?”

Healthcare is being highjacked away from the poor and elderly and handed to the large pharmaceutical companies and HMO’s and Rumsfeld’s connection to these companies is a mere coincidence?

Haliburton does a study on how to privatize and profit from war then by coincidence we are in a war with Iraq that was based on faulty inteligence(Those responsible were handsomely rewarded,I guess this is another coincidence?)and Haliburton KBR has profited immensely. The fact that Cheney is the Vice President is mere coincidence?

This administration has rewarded 3 industries and or companies that they have a close relationship with and I’m supposed to not connect the dots and chalk it up to weird coincidence?

Posted by: Andre M. Hernandez at January 23, 2006 9:35 AM
Comment #115841

Andre

Let’s take them one by one.

Environmental Issue:
On the one hand we have a clean environment to worry about and on the other we have high gas prices,crushing the ecomony and threatening security.
This morning Ford announced a lay off of 20,000 plus.Add in all the ancilary businesses and perhaps 75,000 jobs are lost…75,000 federal tax paying jobs.

The Haliburton thing
Andre,you are a smart man.A conspiracy of that nature is baloney,and you know it.Haliburton has tens of thousands of grannies cashing those dividend checks every quarter and I bet your portfolio(You’ra a teacher,right?) has Haliburton in your state’s teacher retirement fund mutual fund…most do.

Believe me,the presidentt made many mistakes but I do not think he has a black heart as you suggest my friend.
One side says well,that’s Ford’s problem they failed to give us a car that is cheap and economicial to run.The other says that we are energy pigs and we deserve what we get.
Walking the line between business and the environment is the president.
I don’t think you can make both sides happy,no matter how pragmatic he or anyone can be.I know that we need our own oil supply though and that this country must break its dependence on foreign oil.
However their are dems to blame too.Look at the oppostiion to a giant wind farm up the Cape…led by JJohn Kerry because a couple of birds will die.Tough call but I support the president here.

Posted by: sicilianeagle at January 23, 2006 10:00 AM
Comment #115886

Sicilianeagle,

What about loosening pollution regulations?
Ignoring global warming?
Allowing price gauging?

Halliburton KBR received hundreds of millions of dollars under this administration. They’ve been allowed to do business with Iran and Libya. They’ve overcharged our government. They have wasted billions. That’s O.K.?

Bush and FEMA director don’t have T.V.s to see people stranded for days?

Those who are responsible for false intelligence get Medals of Honor? Sounds like rewarded for doctoring to me. Chilabi is now the oil broker.

Healthcare has been turned over to those who will profit the most by screwing those who need it. That’s O.K.?

Posted by: Andre M. Hernandez at January 23, 2006 1:58 PM
Comment #202490

this is onesided by a long shot. the bush administration has many flaws however they have had some benifits while in office as well. take some time to commend the good as well

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