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I subscribe to the Sierra Club’s e-newsletter, RAW: uncooked truth, beyond belief, and was a little disheartened to find a disturbing but not altogether surprising story by Megan Lewis on the forgotten heroes of 9/11. She begins with this heroic description:

On September 11, 2001, Paramedic Marvin Bethea was buried in debris when the first World Trade Center tower fell, but he got out, and returned to provide aid to others. Demolition supervisor John Feal oversaw and carried out recovery work at Ground Zero until his foot was crushed on site, hospitalizing him for two months. U.S. Air Force Captain Mike McCormick worked at Ground Zero through the first six days of the rescue effort, at one point unearthing the World Trade Center towers' flag, which was later displayed at the Olympics. Structural Ironworker Jonathan Sferazo performed search and rescue and burned iron to reach lower areas of the pile in the search for survivors. He did this grueling work for more than 30 days.

Inspiring, no? Of course the Bush administration would like to have you believe everyone did a noble job and went home, happy and healthy, to their loved ones. The truth is much darker.

. . . life hasn't gotten any easier for these men. Bethea suffered a stroke attributed to 9/11 stress, and later was diagnosed with adult-onset asthma and chronic rhinitis. Half of Feal's foot was amputated, and his respiratory system became impaired. McCormick now suffers from respiratory illness and gastro-esophageal reflux disease. Sferazo has lost 31 percent of his lung capacity, and is unable to work.

Ground Zero was a war zone when these brave people went in to help their fellow Americans and everyone knows that in rescue work there is danger. But, one would think that the government and its officials, sworn to protect the citizens of this land, would do everything in its power to assist those helping the victims of any tragedy. But that wasn't the case four years ago, and to make matters worse, that wasn't the case four months ago.

What they were told about the air pollution around Ground Zero and what was the truth are now emerging as two very different tales. Five days after the attacks, the EPA, under the White House's direct supervision, released the following statement: "The new samples confirm previous reports that ambient air quality meets [Occupational Safety and Health Administration] standards and consequently is not a cause for public concern." But soon 9/11 workers and residents started experiencing serious respiratory problems, a condition now called "the World Trade Center Cough." Thousands of rescue workers are sick, and no one knows what long-term health impacts may arise in the future.

Americans cannot rest assured that the missteps of Ground Zero are in the past. In fact, the same errors are being repeated in the Katrina disaster area. A Sierra Club report finds that the Bush administration's new National Response Plan even incorporates some of these missteps as federal policy.

The frustrations of those who sacrificed life and limb are growing, and with due cause. The homepage of the EPA boasts, "35 years of protecting human health and the environment". How can a few men, who are with every passing day being proven the worst kind of leaders, make a puppet out of an organization whose mission is to protect us and our environs? Lewis concludes with:

Americans involved in disasters need strong, effective action from their national government. There are already too many forgotten heroes asking the same questions as John Feal: "They called us 'Heroes'! But where are our heroes? We are the ones that need the help now. Where is it?"

The number of people suffering in this country because of misinformation is growing at an alarming rate. The heroes of 9/11 need a spokesman, a martyr, their own hero, to step up and make it known to the world that in a once-a-generation moment, when a government can truly rise up and help a country heal, it let the very people picking up the pieces suffer the most.

Posted by Vihar Sheth at January 6, 2006 11:27 AM
Comments
Comment #110643

Like I believe anything an enviro wacko group says!
There is danger in seach and rescue work. And if these people were injured in any way, then they do need to be taken care of by the Government. But if it is true that they are suffering from these illineses why aint the liberial media all over it? And not just one enviro wacko group?

Posted by: Ron Brown at January 6, 2006 11:43 AM
Comment #110648

But, Ron, you give benefit of the doubt to Bush? And stop with the liberal media bull already. If telling the truth, pretty or not, is liberal, then that is the surest sign that your President isn’t (liberal).

Posted by: Dave at January 6, 2006 12:06 PM
Comment #110649

If there were “heroes” of the 911 disaster (and I think the people of which you speak certainly were among those heroes) they did not stop to think at any point in time of risk to themselves of any kind. They had a lifesaving mindset.

I don’t know what they were told about the air quality in which they were working at the time and, I don’t think anybody else does either.What I suspect however is that it would not have deterred a single one of them from their self motivated mission.

The fact that there are now people suffering after affects of their efforts is indeed sad and, IMO they should be compensated as necessary. They didn’t do it to get rich but they are certainly entitiled to medical, rehab, disability, etc. assistance.

But we can’t seem to let anything escape the dark cloud of White House incompetance. Are there no ends to which people won’t go to create a political earthquake?

Somewhere, before this thread is over we will see evidence of some poll or article that links the fact that the Republican rescue workers with mean incomes above such and such account got better treatment than the Democratic workers. We will certainly be reminded that instructions regarding the rescue efforts failed because the Fundamental Right Evangelical Christians were part of the process.

How many times will we see reference to President Bush sitting in the classroom when he got the news and failed to leap to his feet, scare the hell out of everybody and race to the disaster sight.

I love the reference to the information about the air quality at the time of the disaster is now contradicted by NEW INFORMATION surfacing several years later. What were they waiting for.

Posted by: steve smith at January 6, 2006 12:10 PM
Comment #110651

The wacko medical community seems to know it exists too. Here’s another article article regarding the long-term effects.

And I agree with Dave. If the media were truly liberal and not owned by all of Bush’s cronies more of the truth would be heard and Bush would have been long gone. Only hiding the truth, say by calling people and telling them not to pulish things like one President does, has protected Bush for so long.

Posted by: Vihar Sheth at January 6, 2006 12:11 PM
Comment #110655

Steve, are you arguing that because the incompetence is so beyond comprehension that it should be ignored? Clinton’s promiscuity was all over the news for years. How many times did we see the famous blue dress? And that had nothing to do with the healthy and safety of American citizens. While you complain about how much the topic is harped on people are still suffering but not being given the time of day let alone the proper treatment to heal from their wounds. I agree most would have gone in to help anyway, but lying to public and the rescue workers is a heinous crime. If the poor air quality was made known masks and other equipment would have been brought to the scene faster and that would have saved many people from being affected.

Posted by: Vihar Sheth at January 6, 2006 12:16 PM
Comment #110657
Like I believe anything an enviro wacko group says!

Ron,

Besides the Oil Companies telling us that they’re doing wonderful things to keep the environment clean, are there any environmental groups that, in your opinion, are NOT “wacko”?


Posted by: bobo at January 6, 2006 12:17 PM
Comment #110659

“But if it is true that they are suffering from these illineses why aint the liberial media all over it? And not just one enviro wacko group?”

—Ignorant American Jan. 6th 2006

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“I lost 31 percent of my lung capacity,” said Jonathan Sferazo, an ironworker who spent four weeks cutting through debris at the trade center site. “You people lied. Look in my eyes. You lied.”

Oppelt said the EPA would start recruiting people to participate in the testing program early in the new year.

WNBC channel 4 News New York City, Dec.13th 2005

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“The bottom line is nobody cares,” said Mike McCormick, a paramedic who found the U.S. flag in the smoldering rubble that later flew over Yankee Stadium and was carried by the U.S. Olympic team.

McCormick, who blames his respiratory and vision problems on the toxic fumes from The Pit at Ground Zero, was denied workmen’s compensation by bureaucrats who said he couldn’t verify his presence at the site - despite personal letters of thanks from President Bush and Gov. Pataki.

NY Daily News July 22, 2005

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Marvin Bethea saw the twin towers collapse up close after being dispatched to the site as a paramedic. He suffered a stroke five months later.

BETHEA: “Since then I’ve been diagnosed with asthma and post-traumatic stress disorder. I have not worked since 4 january 2004 and I won’t be going back to work and yet I’m still fighting for workers’ compensation.”

WNYC 93.9FM radio New York City 9-18-05

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Respiratory problems called RADS (Reactive Airways Dysfunction Syndrome) were the most common complaint of the workers, but John Feal, a construction supervisor, lost half a foot to infection.

“Shame on everybody who opposes helping us,” said Feal, of Nesconcet, L.I.

New York Daily News July 22, 2005
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Posted by: grrl_aex at January 6, 2006 12:18 PM
Comment #110660

But, Ron, you give benefit of the doubt to Bush? And stop with the liberal media bull already. If telling the truth, pretty or not, is liberal, then that is the surest sign that your President isn’t (liberal).

Posted by: Dave at January 6, 2006 12:06 PM

Where have I given Bush ANY benifit of the doubt in this?
The medias IS Liberial, even Fox News. And they lie all the time.
Bush lies too. He’s a politician after all.
And HE IS Liberial.
The reason I asked why the Media aint all over it is because they don’t miss a chance to bash Bush.

Posted by: Ron Brown at January 6, 2006 12:22 PM
Comment #110662
But, one would think that the government and its officials, sworn to protect the citizens of this land, would do everything in its power to assist those helping the victims of any tragedy.

I disagree that the govt can afford to help the victims of any tragedy. But surely there was enough money donated for this tragedy to cover needs ten times over. I guess it was spent making multi-millionaires out of already upper class relatives of victims. When the Red Cross tried to use money for people that actually needed it - heads rolled. Heaven forbid.

Posted by: Schwamp at January 6, 2006 12:27 PM
Comment #110663

“How many times did we see the famous blue dress? And that had nothing to do with the healthy and safety of American citizens”

No it didnt, but how about the govt’s “a-one” attention they gave vets with Gulf War Syndrome?
That probably doesn’t count over here in the blue column though, unless there’s a way to blame GW for it.

This isn’t some new way govt deals nor is it anything we haven’t heard before.
What kind of treatment do you expect from a govt who owns us.

Posted by: kctim at January 6, 2006 12:29 PM
Comment #110664

“When the Red Cross tried to use money for people that actually needed it - heads rolled. Heaven forbid”

For real.
http://www.apfn.org/apfn/WTC_red-cross.htm

Posted by: kctim at January 6, 2006 12:33 PM
Comment #110668

Ron,

Besides the Oil Companies telling us that they’re doing wonderful things to keep the environment clean, are there any environmental groups that, in your opinion, are NOT “wacko”?


Posted by: bobo at January 6, 2006 12:17 PM

No! And that includes the Oil Companies.

grrl_aex
Thanks for the insult, That’s the nicest thing anyone has called me all week.
So the local NYC media has covered it. Where is the National Media on this? Given their love for making the Bush Administration look bad, wouldn’t you think that they should be all over this like ugly on an ape.

I’m not un sympathetic with the suffer of these guys if they’re really suffering from these problems due to 9/11. And I’m not going to say they aren’t. If they are then they deserve to be taken care of just like our Military Personel.
I’m just wondering where yaall’s Liberal Nation Media is. Why aint they all over it? After all here’s another chance to make Bush look bad. They should be making it the top story for the next 4 or 5 months. And maybe even making things up ala Dan Rathers style.

Posted by: Ron Brown at January 6, 2006 12:49 PM
Comment #110671

“When the Red Cross tried to use money for people that actually needed it - heads rolled. Heaven forbid”

For real.
http://www.apfn.org/apfn/WTC_red-cross.htm

Posted by: kctim at January 6, 2006 12:33 PM

And folks wonder why I don’t give to the Red Cross or the United Way.

Posted by: Ron Brown at January 6, 2006 12:57 PM
Comment #110673

Hey Ron, you’re welcome! NY media is available in a mouseclick. And the ‘liberal media’ is not ‘all over it’ true enough! Maybe…because the mass media aren’t as ‘liberal’ as you have been brainwashed into believing? Just a thought—(so you can see what one looks like…) ;)

Posted by: grrl_aex at January 6, 2006 1:06 PM
Comment #110679

grrl_aex said:

Maybe…because the mass media aren’t as ‘liberal’ as you have been brainwashed into believing? Just a thought—(so you can see what one looks like…) ;)

These kind of insults are not tolerated here. Please comply with our Critique the Message, Not the Messenger policy, or lose your participation privileges here. —

Posted by: Watchblog Managing Editor at January 6, 2006 1:46 PM
Comment #110680

For the person who doesn’t believe “wacko enviro groups”, you should know that: (1) this is far, far, far from the first report—there have been multiple reports, some on mainstream media about this. (2) The administration ACTIVELY stated that it was safe to go without protective equipment while working on the twin towers. (3) You underestimate how much of the press is owned by the right and prevented from reporting this stuff, and you underestimate the profound disdain the White House has for the constitution and constitutional freedoms. (4) As they continue to bleed the economy out in Iraq (who had NOTHING to do with 9/11—but Saudi Arabia DID), they are treating our veterans with as cavalier an attitude as the 9/11 workers—any problems they have “couldn’t possibly be from 9/11 or the Iraqi war”. Get a life.

Posted by: Penny Duff at January 6, 2006 1:48 PM
Comment #110684

The problem here is that we have a rightwing constituency more interested in fight a culture war than keeping an eye on their politicians. The behavior of the right has become very protective of the Republicans in power.

This is part of most of its current problems, for that constituency’s first impulse is loyalty to their side’s politicians. They are not as willing as folks on the left are to question their own when the cloud of suspicion is cast on them.

Instead, they will often attack the “Liberal” Media and critics on the Left, turning any and every subject into a purely political subject, a move that does less to change the minds of people, and more to stifle any internal debate about the subject. After all, if you buy this “liberal” propaganda, you must be lacking in your resolve and your loyalty to your own.

This is the trap that the modern Right Wing folks have fallen into. It’s not that Republicans are immoral, it’s that they’ve been convinced for so long that the good of the party equates with the good of country and the people, that its difficult for these people to consider that maybe their leaders are seeing more good come from this than they are.

It’s time to stop treating the problems out there as Conservative/Liberal clashes. It’s time to look at the situation and see what actions can be taken that are consistent with the demands of our character.

Posted by: Stephen Daugherty at January 6, 2006 2:11 PM
Comment #110688

Wow! For once I agree with something on the blue side!

Only a small percentage of people who responded to 911 had long term health problems but there were still quite a few.
Personally, I think New York State should spend some of its budget surplus to help these people. This doesn’t have to be an issue for the national government. The trouble is, they both seem to be ignoring it.
I also agree with Shwamp (another first) that more of the money we all donated should have gone to the responders.

Posted by: TheTraveler at January 6, 2006 2:36 PM
Comment #110690

Stephen:

I’d beg to differ with you. What I see in Watchblog is a quick rush to judgement from many on the left, claiming guilt on the part of the Bush administration before even waiting for evidence. I won’t bore you with the myriad examples of this—-you’ve been reading along, so you should be well aware of them. In some cases, charges of wrongdoing don’t even need to be made in order for the Bush administration to be convicted in the Watchblog court of opinion.

While I see some of this (in reverse) from the conservative side, I also see many who welcome investigations and who state clearly that anyone found guilty should be properly punished.

From the left, I’ve seen a litany of claims—almost always negative. While there is usually some level of truth in the claims, they are often overstated. And eventually you can be right in doing that——in the same way that if a better were to have bet against USC 35 straight times, they would have been right…….ONCE.

The media IS biased…sometimes to the left, sometimes to the right, but always to the story selling side. 4 years of no attacks on US soil doesn’t sell many papers, but an attack does. A day without any attacks in Iraq doesn’t sell papers, so highlight the attacks when they do come. And so on.

Lets look at the economy as an example: The left first claimed Bush talked down the economy during the 2000 election. The left blamed Bush for a downturn that began BEFORE he was elected (no one has ever pointed to any policy that created the downturn). Then it was the lack of jobs. Then it was that the jobs being created weren’t good enough. Now it is that inflation might enter the picture.

The point is that with the economy, as with life in general, there are always goods and bads. The economy is on a tightrope—-when it is going great, inflation becomes a concern. When its not going great, that in itself is a concern. So there will always be a concern.

Many on the left have become the boy who cried wolf. If they get a good job, they worry they might lose it. If housing sales go up, they complain about the prices of housing. When jobs are created, they complain about the kind of jobs.

One can be continuously negative, but not continually right. But that hasn’t stopped many of them.

Posted by: joebagodonuts at January 6, 2006 2:42 PM
Comment #110693

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Like I believe anything an enviro wacko group says!
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The Sierra Club is enviro wacko? You might want to read up on them before attacking… they are so plain vanilla with regards with regards to the real enviro wacko groups I support…

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I’m just wondering where yaall’s Liberal Nation Media is. Why aint they all over it? After all here’s another chance to make Bush look bad.
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I think Bush manages this task very well on hiw own.

Posted by: tony at January 6, 2006 2:53 PM
Comment #110695

Well said, Joe…

Posted by: THC at January 6, 2006 2:55 PM
Comment #110700

Vihash:

I don’t hold the Sierra Club up as the official arbiter of the truth in this case. Nor am I disputing their claims completely. There is a lot of information out there regarding 911 and “World Trade Center cough”.

What I’ll say clearly is that those who were involved in the rescue operations and the following weeks and months deserve our country’s gratitude. Those that responded immediately despite the dangers are heroes, and should be treated as such.

There will always be anecdotal evidence in which someone feels they didn’t get what they deserve. We saw that front and center when funds were being disbursed to 911 victim’s families, and we saw the greed and furor that infiltrated those decisions.

But the bottom line is that we need to take care of those people whose health in risk or whose health has deteriorated as a result of their valor in the days following 9-11. There will undoubtedly be those who try to foist off unrelated problems as 911 related (we’ve seen that happen already re 911 and Katrina), and these people should be dealt with as harshly as possible.

But we should not allow any of the true heroes to not be repaid with our gratitude, and sometimes gratitude takes the form of just compensation.

Posted by: joebagodonuts at January 6, 2006 3:25 PM
Comment #110702

So what we can infer from mr. bagadonuts’ post is that we should all just lay back and wait for even MORE evidence before getting upset about veterans and first responders being ignored by our current representatives in the White House and various government agencies who are usually staffed via appointment from the White House. If we rush to judgement, we’d run the risk of appearing too negative. He reinforces his point by declaring the media sensationalist and the economy cyclical.

Man, what an epiphany…this guy could be president. Or director of FEMA. Or the EPA.

Posted by: macsonix at January 6, 2006 3:38 PM
Comment #110707

It is easy to talk about bad news and even easier to predict bad things in the future. Most of the bad predictions don’t happen. People forget they were ever made. Even worse, even after the bad thing does not happen, people believe it has.

We should take care of health problems anyone got answering the call of duty. But you do have to be careful about what you believe. In any given year thousands of people will develop health problems. Many will be difficult to explain. You can’t jump the analysis phase and just jump to the conclusions.

I know I am treading on sacred ground, but we should not treat the victims of large disasters differently. A firefighter who dies in the line of duty putting out an “ordinary” house fire deserves the same respect as one who died in the World Trade Center. Both these guys are heroes.

We have developed the bad idea of late that somehow we need to do something special for victims of big things. Consider this. Would the family who lost a father at the World Trade Center be any worse off than one his colleague who was killed in a car accident on his way to work at that same building the week before? Yet the one family might get millions while the other would get only what insurance they had before.

So let’s reward those who have done great and good things. Let’s care for those who have sacrificed for their country and their fellow Americans, but let’s not create special classes of people bases only on where they were standing at a particular time.

Posted by: Jack at January 6, 2006 4:26 PM
Comment #110713
We have developed the bad idea of late that somehow we need to do something special for victims of big things. Consider this. Would the family who lost a father at the World Trade Center be any worse off than one his colleague who was killed in a car accident on his way to work at that same building the week before? Yet the one family might get millions while the other would get only what insurance they had before.

Sacred ground or not, I agree. I dont like the idea of compensating grief with cash. Can there be more grief than a parent losing a child to cancer? It happens every day.

Posted by: Schwamp at January 6, 2006 4:37 PM
Comment #110719

macsonix
I’m not denying that these folks are suffering from these conditions.
I’m questioning the Liberial Media. Why are they being inconsistent on this? They do everything else to discredit Bush. Why aint they all over this?
I’m all for anyone suffering bad effects from the rescue efforts getting the help they need. Maybe like Traveler said. The State of New York should be doing something for them. Maybe both New York and the Federal Government.

Posted by: Ron Brown at January 6, 2006 4:42 PM
Comment #110720

agreed. I think the fact that these folks were first responders on 9/11 just lends a sad, pale irony to it all.

Posted by: macsonix at January 6, 2006 4:43 PM
Comment #110735

Just some thoughts:
I’m wondering why the rescue worker in Oklahoma city (1994 Federal building) did not get all these disorders that the world trade center people. If guess people only get odd syndromes with a Republican in the white house?

I is sorry that the President didn’t tell people working in a dust filled enviroment to wear a mask. I suppose people with cavities better blame bush for those too.

The fire and police all have excellent healthcare and disabilty benefits. So what is this about, getting Paid! With the tobacco suits getting settled, they need new “victims” to collect 40% torts for.

Posted by: have_a_beer at January 6, 2006 5:01 PM
Comment #110757

Hey Ron, you’re welcome! NY media is available in a mouseclick. And the ‘liberal media’ is not ‘all over it’ true enough! Maybe…because the mass media aren’t as ‘liberal’ as you have been brainwashed into believing? Just a thought—(so you can see what one looks like…) ;)

Posted by: grrl_aex at January 6, 2006 01:06 PM

Sense I don’t live in NYC I’m not that interested in what’s going on up there. So why should I be trying to get news from there?
News from Atlanta is only a mouse click away too. Do you try to get news from there? Or Chicago? What about Dallas?
New York isn’t the only place that news happens.

Posted by: Ron Brown at January 6, 2006 5:39 PM
Comment #110774

FYI the amount of particulates and carcinogenic material in the air around ground zero had to be at least 1000 times greater than OKC. Remember the towers were both 110 stories, to say nothing of the other buildings in the area that dropped. And the Fed building in OKC did not fall down, either. The senior Army Corps of Engineers staff on the scene were called in specifically because of their expertise and know-how gained in their experiences in OKC. Unfortunately, they were absolutely at a loss trying to figure out how to do their jobs (how to safely conduct rescue ops first, then knowing what areas and in what order to try to remove debris) due to the immense differences of scale. No one with any sort of experience on the ground there had seen anything even close to that kind of destruction before. I know because I was a Brooklyn resident at the time and for two weeks after 9/11 my school in lower Manhattan was shut down - so I volunteered at ground zero handing out water and such.

The EPA, not the Prez, made multiple official statements and staged multiple press conferences where they consistently assured all of us that the air was safe as houses. Most of us knew better from the smell and from the crap coming out of our nostrils in the shower when we got home…everyone used what they had, most of the time one of those cheap nose and mouth masks you can get three for a dollar at the hardware store. It sure would have been nice if all those guys had been provided with the proper, tight-fitting particulate masks, though. What I couldn’t figure out was with the age of the buildings, there was certainly going to be plenty of asbestos to go around, but the EPA hacks kept insisting everything was peachy keen.

Posted by: macsonix at January 6, 2006 6:39 PM
Comment #110789

Ron said: So the local NYC media has covered it. Where is the National Media on this? Given their love for making the Bush Administration look bad, wouldn’t you think that they should be all over this like ugly on an ape

It’s not the media that makes Bush look bad.

have_a_beer:So what is this about, getting Paid! With the tobacco suits getting settled, they need new “victims” to collect 40% torts for.

Here in Ohio, our wonderful Gov. Taft took the states share of the money from tobacco suits and put in into the E-check, an auto emissions reduction program. The money was put into the program last summer and the last E-check center closed for good on Sat. Dec 31st. A little OT but it shows where their priorities are.

Posted by: MyPetGoat at January 6, 2006 7:34 PM
Comment #110821

Ron Brown

You actually wrote:

The medias IS Liberial, even Fox News. And they lie all the time.

You actually wrote that?… well Fox News or as we say, Faux News does lie all the time… you are right about that.

The national media give George Bush’s scandals about one tenth of the media that they deserve. But the media needs inside sources and they aren’t going to get them if they come down too hard. The Bush Administration has played that card especially effectively. I always talk about how incompetent they are - on reflection, I do have to acknowledge that they are good at some things. As others have pointed out the media is much less liberal than most conservatives think. It is owned by big money - mostly Republican big money - some of it is marginally liberal in spite of that - some main stream - some extremely conservative (can you say Fox). The overall slant is toward the right. The New York Times is liberal but even they allowed Judith Miller to carry water for the Bush Administration.

Joebagodonuts,

You wrote in response to Stephen Daugherty:

I’d beg to differ with you. What I see in Watchblog is a quick rush to judgement from many on the left, claiming guilt on the part of the Bush administration before even waiting for evidence. I won’t bore you with the myriad examples of this—-you’ve been reading along, so you should be well aware of them. In some cases, charges of wrongdoing don’t even need to be made in order for the Bush administration to be convicted in the Watchblog court of opinion.

Of course I agree with Stephen but I do agree that some of us liberals - me anyway - are quick to assume the worst about Bush. There many reasons that I am that way. Part of it is just irrational gut instinct. The man is an evil lizard. That was my emotional reaction to to him from the very start. Then he (his campaign to be accurate - but he was responsible) lied about McCain and denigrated his brave service to our country. That is where it started. Since then the list is endless. There are all kinds of facts. There has been all kinds of incompetence. There have been all kinds of clear conflicts of interest. There have been all kinds of suspicions. There have been all kinds of smoke. So some of us (me), are convinced - granted without real proof - that there is fire everywhere. Real proof would be impossible to obtain without real investigations - which have been continuously blocked and stymied by the Republican majority - except for Plamegate - which did seem to find at least a little fire and whole lot of smoke, in spite of obstruction of justice. And it isn’t over yet. We can hope for great things - makes me salivate. I am drooling - can you see me drooling. But… like a dog in Pavlov’s cage, I am probably going to be disappointed. So yes, I am quick to assume that Bush is guilty. This is a reasonable assumption under the circumstances - but just an assumption. I am sure that he is not guilty of everything that I suspect him of - on the other hand he could well be guilty of things that even I haven’t even dreamed of. Although, I don’t claim guilt as you suggested. I believe guilt, but I don’t claim it. It is intuitively obvious to me that he is guilty - but it is just intuition. There is plenty of hard evidence to suspect him though. I do claim gross incompetence - that seems redundantly proven. I do try to point at the smoke and try to get you Republicans to see that there is reasonable suspicion and that we desperately need to get to the bottom of these issues. We need real investigations. It falls on deaf ears of coarse because as Stephen wrote:

Instead, they will often attack the “Liberal” Media and critics on the Left, turning any and every subject into a purely political subject, a move that does less to change the minds of people, and more to stifle any internal debate about the subject. After all, if you buy this “liberal” propaganda, you must be lacking in your resolve and your loyalty to your own.

Posted by: Ray G. at January 6, 2006 10:41 PM
Comment #110827

Ron Brown,

Thank you. After reading this:

>>>The medias IS Liberial, even Fox News. And they lie all the time.
Bush lies too. He’s a politician after all.
And HE IS Liberial.
The reason I asked why the Media aint all over it is because they don’t miss a chance to bash Bush.

Posted by: Ron Brown at January 6, 2006 12:22 PM

I made an appointment with my psychiatrist today. Obviously my misconception of Hannity and O’Reilly indicate that my neurocognitive decline is much greater than originally diagnosed.

KansasDem

Posted by: KansasDem at January 6, 2006 11:16 PM
Comment #110886

have a beer:

I’m wondering why the rescue worker in Oklahoma city (1994 Federal building) did not get all these disorders that the world trade center people. If guess people only get odd syndromes with a Republican in the white house?

Everything else aside–you don’t actually believe that those two situations are comparable, do you? Two giant towers collapsing into rubble versus a much smaller building being partially destroyed by a bomb?

Posted by: mattLaw at January 7, 2006 4:06 AM
Comment #110932

I’m not sure if anyone here knows this, but there is another huge story of people who were first affected by terrorism and later poisoned by the negligence of our goverment and medical establishment. Fortunately, this issue in non-partisan, neither Democrats or Republicans are to blame…both are at fault. This issue, at its heart, is more humanitarian than it is political and requires immediate attention. Unfortunately, this story has received almost no press.

During the Anthrax scare of 2001, exposed postal workers and other goverment employees were given a drug, Cipro, to protect them against the attack. Many of these people were severely hurt after taking the 60 day course prescribed to them. An aide to Senator Max Baucus (D-MO), John Angell, was injured to the point where he was forced to leave his job permanently. Him and many of the people who were given this drug are still suffering horribly to this day.

Cipro belongs to a class of drugs called fluoroquinolone antibiotics. More information on these can be found at FQResearch, Drug Victims, T. Boomer Study, FQVictims, and, saddest of all, an Apria news article on clinical pediatric trials: Pediatric Trials.

This class of drugs can cause severely disabling, non-diminishing, sometimes permament side-effect months or even years after a person stops taking them. This means that many of the people who take them and suffer adverse reactions never know the cause of their ailments.

I myself am a victim of these drugs, though my prescription was not a result of anthrax, but of a routine case of bronchitis. The last year of my life has been nothing but mental and physical torture, constant pain, inability to walk, and the loss of my life as I knew it.

I share this all with you, One: because I think it bears well on the discussion already in progress, and Two: because my New Years Resolution was to try and bring more attention to these drugs and stop other people from being hurt.

There are thousands of people like me, we are being ignored, and need the help of healthy people who are government-minded and willing to help put a stop to this travesty. Please at least visit the sites I listed above and read the peoples stories there. If I can prevent even one of you who reads this from becoming another victim, then at least my post wasn’t in vain.

I am deeply sorry if this is not allowed on this site, but I know of nowhere else to turn.

Thank you for listening to me, and a late Happy New Year to you all.

Posted by: Suffering at January 7, 2006 8:42 AM
Comment #110933

Ray G.
It aint just Fox News that lies. ALL OR THEM DO!
If you don’t think the media doesn’t miss a chance to make Bush look bad, you need to take off the rose colored glasses your wearing.

Posted by: Ron Brown at January 7, 2006 8:43 AM
Comment #110937

Agent orange, depleted uranium, cuts to veterans benefits! And now..the health issues of 9/11. this story has actually been touched on several times since 9/11, as the Sierra Club article wasn’t new information to me. Our history isn’t impressive when it comes to caring for those suffering the fallout of their heroism.

Posted by: renobee at January 7, 2006 8:49 AM
Comment #111019

Steve Smith,

I don’t know what they were told about the air quality in which they were working at the time and, I don’t think anybody else does either.What I suspect however is that it would not have deterred a single one of them from their self motivated mission.

Most probably. But at least if someone, EPA “experts” for a start, had told them that any building from 1960-1990 years were full of asbestos, Ground Zero rescuers and workers would had used masks and eventually saved their lungs…
But maybe someone feared that such warning could impact badly first responders will. Dunno.

Posted by: Philippe Houdoin at January 7, 2006 5:07 PM
Comment #111020

As a nation we have a poor track record of
careing for our heros be they veterans
or local service personel. I find it
unforgivable. We can give a millionare
a tax break for investing in a second
home or a yacht he evan gets credit for
moveing his company overseas. Why are
we not throwing a fit about the mistreatment
that our heros recieve after the pat on the
back has worn off.The american attention
span just don’t seem to last that long.
The leaders we elect can not see past
the steak dinner some lobbyist has payed for. There is no
reason the American people in all there
good hearted patriotic ferver should allow
this type of shabby goverment treatment
to go on. When any hero or vet is allowed to
get the swift boat treatment. America should
stand up and say SHAME ON YOU we do not want
your kind in office. The land of the free
and the home of the brave takes care of
any and all who serve it with pride.


A KING USES HIS PEOPLE/A LEADER SERVES THEM.

Posted by: Honey P at January 7, 2006 5:18 PM
Comment #111028

Ray G.
Until recently I didn’t get Fox News because I didn’t have satallite and the cable company won’t comw out this far. So I didn’t know why yaall didn’t like them.
But now I know. Yaall don’t like them not because they’re Conservitive. Because they aint. Yaall hate them because they’re Republican. I don’t matter to yaall that Republicans are just about as liberial as Democrats. They are Republicans so they’re to be hated.

Posted by: Ron Brown at January 7, 2006 5:35 PM
Comment #111042

KansasDem
O’Reilly is not a Conservitive. He’s a Republican. I’ve never heard of Hannity so I cann’t say anything about him/her.

Posted by: Ron Brown at January 7, 2006 6:09 PM
Comment #111047

Suffering
Sounds like Cipro needs to be pulled from usage.
You and everyone else suffering side efect from this not only have my deepest sympathy, but my prayers also.
I’m going to write my Senators and my Congresswomen about this. The FDA needs to do something. And if they won’t on their own then they need to be forced too.

Posted by: Ron Brown at January 7, 2006 6:19 PM
Comment #111061

Ron Brown,

I don’t think you really understand what a liberal is, probably because you are so far to the right that even the radical right appears distant to you. You can’t see the left side of the spectrum at all; it is hidden beneath your horizon.

It must get lonely out there.

Posted by: Charles Wager at January 7, 2006 7:06 PM
Comment #111081

Ron Brown,

Thank you for responding, your sympathy, and your prayers. But most of all thank you for your willingness to take the time write on our behalf. I am sure that if the other victims of this could read your post, it would warm their hearts.

I realized that in my post I didn’t clarify the drug I took, it was Levaquin, not Cipro, but they are both fluoroquinolones, and the effects I mentioned are a class effect of these drugs. A complete list of all of them can be found here.

Unfortunately, the FDA receives approximately 5,000 Medwatch reports per drug in this class every year, and the FDA itself approximates that only 10% of adverse reactions ever gets reported. They haven’t done a thing. Even after being petitioned by Public Citizen in 1996 to require more warnings to doctors about the dangers of fluoroquinolone antibiotcs, nothing was done.

They are actually expanding the number of people who take them to include babies. As the article I posted earlier talks about, they are currently allowing clinical trials to be undertaken for Levaquin for children as young as 6 months old. I have lost more sleep over this knowledge than I care to think about.

I have written senators, congressmen, and everyone else I can think of; so have many other people who’ve been injured. Apparently, we just aren’t important enough, our lives aren’t important enough for anyone to do anything but pay lip service about how reform is needed at the FDA.

That is why I am trying to enlist the help of as many people as I can; the victims of this are, for the most part, suffering too badly to really take our cause anywhere. Most of us are too worn down or are in too much pain to really fight.

Again, I humbly ask that people please at least glance at the links I posted above.

Thank you again.

Posted by: Suffering at January 7, 2006 8:38 PM
Comment #111087

It must get lonely out there.


Posted by: Charles Wager at January 7, 2006 07:06 PM

Not really, I have serveral Conservitive friends.

have_a_beer
How many beers have you had today. Youv’e been all over this bolg. If you have one every time you post, you must be feeling pretty good about now. ha!

Posted by: Ron Brown at January 7, 2006 9:13 PM
Comment #111091

Suffering,

Ron Brown is - to put it nicely - a long ways out there. He is incorrect about Republicans being liberal. It is true that both Republicans and Democrats are somewhat sold out (for want of better words), sold out to big money, including the pharmaceutical industry. The Republicans are far more sold out to big business like the pharmaceutical industry, than the Democrats. All politicians need money to get elected - hence they have to play ball. As I have explained at length in other post, the Democrats get money from big labor unions like, for example, my own union the UAW. Big labor of coarse also has its own special interest agenda. It also has a proud and noble heritage of fighting for the common man and the disenfranchised. So big labor’s money gives the Democrats more freedom to resist selling out to big business as much as the Republicans have to sell out to it.

The Republicans have set it up so that the FDA is funded by the pharmaceutical industry. So the bureaucrats at the FDA know who pays the bills - they know which side their bread is buttered on and they are far to lax in their oversight of the pharmaceutical companies.

We need public funding of elections so that politicians both conservative and liberal are free to stand up for their noble values instead of having to sell out.

Short of that we need to run the Republicans out of town. Until that happens there will be no chance of really reforming the FDA and reigning in the corrupt pharmacutical industry.

Posted by: Ray G. at January 7, 2006 9:26 PM
Comment #111100

Ray G.,

I see what you are saying, but I believe that the issue I presented transcends any political/partisan frames of mind. I think that we are in a sad state when the poisoning of thousands of Americans becomes a political/financial issue, because at its heart, it is not. It is a humanitarian issue.

The precursor to the first fluoroquinolone antibiotic was created in the late 1960’s, followed in 1978 by norfloxacin, the first true fluoroquinolone. Cipro was approved in the 1980’s and was second generation, Levaquin, the drug that I took, is considered third generation and was approved in 1996.

The history of these drugs spans decades, over many different political parties rule. I would consider myself more liberal in my politics, but I do not want that to play into this issue in any way.

When the government commits acts of torture upon detainees, the media is all over it, and rightly so IMO. Unfortunately, when pharmaceutical companies makes billions of dollars off of casting people into a hell-on-earth like the one I and the other victims of this now inhabit, no one even bats an eye, be they democrat, republican, or independent.

Sitting here, at 24 years of age, with varying degrees of damage to every joint in my body and even my mind, I find that I am less concerned with whose fault it is than I am with trying to fix it. Thus far, Ron is the only one who has expressed a willingness to help, and I am thankful for that to the point where I dont care about his views on other issues right now.

I completely agree with you on the issue of public funding though, and think that it is sad that the FDA receives much of its operating costs from the industry it was created to regulate. A conflict of interest that huge should not be allowed to continue.

I look at what at this drug did to me, a fully grown man, and I recoil in horror to think of what it could do to a small child. This is the issue, the reason I am typing this. It is a travesty of monumental proportions, greed giving rise to torture chambers that are contained entirely within their victims. There are thousands of us, and we are victims of, in my personal opinion, an egregious crime against humanity. Be they liberal, conservative, Christian, Muslim or atheist, I dont care…we are human and we are suffering, ignored.

Thanks

Posted by: Suffering at January 7, 2006 10:21 PM
Comment #111129

Suffering,

I hear you and am glad Ron is trying to help. However, I am suggesting that the solution on a broad scale is partly political - and that money is a corrupting influence on both parties. Humanatarian problem, yes, human suffering always is, but that still requires a political response. On a personal scale for you and possibly others, the solution could be - wholistic / naturopathic since main stream alopathic medicine may not have anything to offer for your problem. I usually go with the alopathic solution if there is one - but I try to avoid antibiotics because they are dangerous - many drugs are far more dangerous then we are led to believe. I also keep my medical doctor informed when I try alternative medical options.

The problem is also cultural. Your writing about the problem will alert others to the danger and help to create a more cautious and questioning culture regarding modern medical treatments.

Posted by: Ray G. at January 8, 2006 1:55 AM
Comment #111151

Charles Wager, your comments above violate our Critique the Message, Not the Messenger policy. This will be your only caution to comply with our policy or lose participation privileges here at WatchBlog.

Posted by: Watchblog Managing Editor at January 8, 2006 9:41 AM
Comment #111225

Hero Dead at 34; thanks for all the help with the medical bills…

HoustonChronicle 01/07/06 NEW YORK - “A retired New York City police detective who worked more than 450 hours at Ground Zero died Thursday from brain and respiratory complications that his family insists were linked to the World Trade Center cleanup….After leaving the department, Zadroga was responsible for his own medical bills. His parents said he left behind $50,000 in medical bills. They also said neither the city nor the police department has ever acknowledged to them that their son’s illness was tied to Ground Zero.”

Another Bush policy corpse to add to the count.

BTW—to the “watchblog editor”…as to “These kind of insults are not tolerated here”, point taken…but obviously insulting *nameless* people *is* tolerated here and I wonder why that is? —-or did the —instigative— ‘whackos’ comment elude your disapprobation? I find this a rather oddly applied policy I must say…

Posted by: grrl aex at January 8, 2006 3:59 PM
Comment #111233

ron brown
“why aren’t the liberal media all over it/”

can you be specific about the liberal media. you mean rush limbaugh, hannity or o’reilly?

Posted by: ec at January 8, 2006 4:33 PM
Comment #111267

Ray G.,

I see what you are saying, and totally agree that the solution is, unfortunately, political and financial; such is the way of our society. That is why I decided to post this here, to a group of political-minded individuals. I just dont like to frame this issue in such a manner, especially one that favors one side, or is in any way adversarial, because I feel that it cheapens my cause.

The only reason I responded to you the way that I did is because I felt that you were laying the problem on the republican side of the aisle, which isnt totally fair. The number of pharmaceutical lobbyists is obscene, and both parties want to get their filthy little hands into that cookie jar.

As to natural medicine, many people Ive corresponded with have tried just about everything under the sun to try and cure the afflictions caused by these drugs. Nothing works to a great degree. I myself take a few different supplements, some of which help to a small extent; some of what Ive tried has made things worse, but thats how it goes. Fluoroquinolone antibiotics actually damage certain enzymes that help to break down foreign substances, so many of us find ourselves hyper-sensitive to what we put in our bodies.

Allopathic medicine has even less to offer us, only pills. I find it somewhat frightening that so many members of our society have no problem taking a pill, and then having to take another pill to combat the side-effects of the first pill, and so on until our medicine cabinets are full and our wallets empty. The design of such a self-sustaining system would be awe-inspiring if it wasnt playing with our lives and health.

Your last paragraph did hit the nail on the head though. I write about this issue as often as my hands will let me type in hopes that I can one day make a difference.

Posted by: Suffering at January 8, 2006 10:31 PM
Comment #111294

grrl aex,

I agree with your assessment. The WatchBlog managers are seriously hit and miss when it comes to enforcing their “don’t critique the messenger” policy. I’ve had way more abusive comments tossed my way before, with the WatchBlog managers sitting idly by…

Ron Brown,

I probably should have left off the “You must be lonely out there” comment. If that offended you, I apologize, although you seem to have taken it in much better stride than the WatchBlog managers.

Posted by: Charles Wager at January 9, 2006 4:32 AM
Comment #111435

ron brown
“why aren’t the liberal media all over it/”

can you be specific about the liberal media. you mean rush limbaugh, hannity or o’reilly?

Posted by: ec at January 8, 2006 04:33 PM

Any media left of me.
Really, try CBS,NBC,ABC,CNN,and FOX. All these are liberial. Why aint they jumping all over this?
Limbaugh and O’Reilly are idiots. I wish they’d just shutup and go away. They give Conservitives a bad name. Hannity I’ve never even heard of until the other day. I cann’t make any judgements on him until I learn more about him.
Coulter cen shut her yap too as far as I’m concernd. But they do have their right to do what they’re doing. And I’ll defend that right, even though I wish they’d go away.

Charles Wager
It takes a whole heap to offend me. If I wanted a love in there are alot of other websites I could go to. But then I wouldn’t get to argue with Liberials. One can lean a lot by getting other pionts of view. May not change my mind, but I learn what others are thinking and hopefully why.

Posted by: Ron Brown at January 9, 2006 2:56 PM
Comment #111451

Well, Ron, at least you can tell the difference between stupid and conservative. But, what is your definition of “liberal”? Fox = Liberal is a real stetch, unless you call Limbaugh liberal too…

Posted by: Dave at January 9, 2006 3:17 PM
Comment #111893

i read all your comments,and it seems most of you,allthough intelligent dont grasp what we are going through.i dont consider myself a hero for being hurt or getting sick.but thats the title given during a time of something tragic.my body of work since 9/11,like advocating,lobbying,and fighting for the rights of thousands who cant speak out makes me more of a hero then 9/11 ever could.i have now co-founded a not for profit group called unsung heroes helping heroes.with all do respect to each of you.find better time for yourselfs and make a difference.life is to short to comment on something you are not part of.make a difference in someone elses life and then add your opinions.thank you john feal

Posted by: john feal at January 10, 2006 12:58 PM
Comment #111894

if anyone has any question or comment please feel free to contact me at feal13@aol.com i will be more then happy to share your thoughts and opinions.but please in the future never doubt what these braves souls did for there country and new york.bash the media,the politicians,etc…….. but never disrepect the thousands i repersent,until you can live a day in our shoes.shame on anyone who opposes us and helping heroes of 9/11,katrina and any future disaster.thank you,john feal

Posted by: john feal at January 10, 2006 1:05 PM
Comment #111945

SD
“They are not as willing as folks on the left are to question their own when the cloud of suspicion is cast on them”

LOL! Do you not remember the 90’s?
The LEFT “chose” to ignore the concerns of the right and engaged in name-calling. Right wing wackos, extremists etc…
And NOW they don’t like it when its them on the receiving end.
Get real. The left “chose” to make excuses instead of doing whats right for the country.
To expect the right to do differently is naive.

Posted by: kctim at January 10, 2006 4:11 PM
Comment #111982

Well, Ron, at least you can tell the difference between stupid and conservative. But, what is your definition of “liberal”? Fox = Liberal is a real stetch, unless you call Limbaugh liberal too…

Posted by: Dave at January 9, 2006 03:17 PM

Fox news is Republican. And as I’ve stated several times Republican is just another name for Liberial.
There are a number of things that make someone Liberial. One of these is lack of fisical conservitivism. Republicans lack this. That makes them Liberial.

Posted by: Ron Brown at January 10, 2006 5:16 PM
Comment #112412

My name is Marvin Bethea and I was featured in the documentary 9/11 The Forgotten Heroes. I have read everyone comments and I must say I am glad to see people are talking about what happen to us. I don’t agree with some of the comments that were made, but everyone has a right to there own opinon.

Here are the facts in my own words. I was a NYC Paramedic that worked for St. Vincents Catholic Medical Center- St. Johns Hospital. In NYC you have private hospitals like St. Vincents, Lenox Hills, New York Hospital, Flushing Hospital just to name a few that have an ambulance department within the hospital. These ambulance departments are part of the NYC 911 EMS(emergency medical service)System. We are highly trained EMTs(emergency medical technicians) and Paramedics, we are not ambulance drivers. I received a call at 8:46am on my radio that I was being assign to the WTC for a plane crash. At the time of 9/11 I had 23 years on the job. My partner James Dobson had 30 years on the job. We knew going to the WTC that there would be injury and death. I have had a gun pointed at my head twice and I have been shot at once. Let me tell you nothing could compare to a 110 story building come down on you. I knew I was dead.

What was it like, picture this you went from day to night time within seconds. Now at night you can still see. During the towers falling you couldn’t see at all, it was like being blind. Also imagine some one pouring a big bucket of dirt down your throat at the same time. If a beam was falling you never saw it coming you just got wacked. We were blowing small pieces of concrete out of our nose. I went threw this ordeal twice. I just knew I was dead. I lost 16 people I knew between EMS, police and fire departments.

I went back to work the very next day because I was scared to be a lone. I wasn’t sleeping and having nightmares. Mind you the only medical history I had was ulcerative colitis since I was 15 and taking two medications. I was 41 when 9/11 happen. I also cried every day for at least 40 days in a row. How can you not forget the people walking around with pictures lookin for their love ones. If any thing good came out of 9/11, it was all of you people who are disagreeing on this sight you all were on the same page right after 9/11. It was so nice to see the City of New York as well as the United States all as one. As time has passed we have forgotten that.

I went back to Ground Zero on 9/14/01 to look for survivors. We only found body parts. On the day on 9/11 we didn’t have the proper masks on the ambulance for this type of emergency.It wasn’t required they wouldn’t put mask on the ambulance that wasn’t required. What business you know would go out of their way to ensure the employee safety with a piece of equipment that is not mandatory? The mask that we did have we gave them away to the public. You must understand we save lives, that is what we do. We were trying to save as many lives as possible. Yes we are trained never to put ourselves in harm way. We didn’t know at that point the building was going to fall down. You must understand that the police ,EMS and the fire department are all on different radio frequencys so know one can talk to one another during a disaster. You would have hoped after 9/11 that issue would have been a top priorty and settled, but it hasn’t.

Five weeks to the day the stress of 9/11 became to much and I had a stroke which I lost the use of my right arm and leg with slurred speech. Lucky for me I was working with Paramedic James Dobson who was the one to find me after the second tower had collaspe. Let me explain what happen with the second tower falling. You see when the second tower collaspe I had just pick up a woman who came out of the second tower and had collaspe in front of tower. Then the tower started to fall down on us. We dove into the Hilton Hotel in front of the WTC to be burried by debris. Having another bucket of toxic dirt poured down our throats. Getting back to the stroke I came back to full duty 3 months to the day. I truly believe that if I had a stroke and not gone threw 9/11 I wouldn’t have recovered as well. My mind set was if I can survive two towers falling on me , I can beat a dam stroke.

I recall most elected officals on a state and federal level from all across the country did there sound bite at Ground Zero that “we will never forget and we are going to take care of you”. I would like to know what has change? Myself,John Sferazo,Mike McCormick and John Feal made numerous trips to Washington D.C. to lobby to get back the $125 million that congress wanted to take back because the money hadn’t bent spent. It is hard for victims to spend money that we have never had access to. We were about to become victims of 9/11 twice by having $125 million taken away from us. We were successful in getting $125 million restored.

What am I talking about? In May 2002 my employer St. John’s Hospital during EMS Week gave myself and five other from the ambulance department awards for our heroic actions on 9/11 plus we received an award from NYC Council. I had a letter from the Vice President of St. Johns Hospital stating that I was assign to the WTC by NYFD. My worker compensation case to this day haven’t been settle. At a worker comp hearing last year the attorney for the insurance company representing the hospital raised the issue if I was actually there and if I was there what was I doing down there. That’s very insulting. To me that was worse than calling me the N_ _ _ _ _ word. These insurance companies have made our lives miserable. They look for any excuse not to meet their responsibility. I am taking 14 different medicine now(on 2 medicine before 9/11). They are denying worker comp claims from 9/11 at a rate of 2-3X times greater than non 9/11 claims. I have been diagnosis with asthma, rhinitis and post traumatic stress disorder.I have been seeing a psychiatrist since 7/03 once a week. I do collect social security now and received some compensation from the 911 Fund. I am not trying to be greedy, but to get what I am entitle to. However to get my disability pension from my union I had to sue my employer St. John’s Hospital twice to turn over what I made over the last 10 years so the union could figure out what my disability pension would be. Some of you are saying why not just supply your 1040 Form. Answer the rule is the information must come from the hospital and overtime is not allow to be figured in. What did the hospital do, they gave the union the wrong amount so I had to sue them again to get them to give the right amount to the union. O yea and on one court appearance they didn’t bother to show up. How is that right?

The thought that we are all healthy and being taking care of is a great lie. It is my opinon that the goverment really don’t give a dam about us. You ask why isn’t the liberal media isn’t all over this story? How many time is the media is going to cover this story. Just look( google search) up my name or any other of the heroes name and you will see plenty of stories about what is going on. The system in my opinon want us to just die or commit suicide so they can say , well we just got rid of another one. What is the goverment thinking to say people are not entitle to the 9/11 Compensation Fund because you weren’t injuried within 96 hours like John Feal? Is there any doubt that his foot wasn’t crush at Ground Zero? John Feal, Mike McCormick, John Sferazo cases are not extreme. There is thousands of cases like this.

Remember a few things it was no fault of our own that we were injuried or ill now and can’t work. If we get attack again why should any of the rescue or recovery workers respond? Here is an idea let the elected officials go down there and dig for 6-8 months. Remember the words of John F. Kennedy ” My Fellow Americans Ask Not What Your Country Can Do For You Ask What You Can Do For Your Country”. Well myself and my fellow rescuers, recovery workers did for our country on 9/11, the weeks, months and years following 9/11. Now we ask for some assitance, I don’t think we are asking for to much.

We the Forgotten Heroes of 9/11 have form a not for profit foundation “Unsung Heroes Helping Heroes”. We will be rasing money to assist victims of 9/11 in help paying some of their everyday living expensives, health insurance, assist programs providing health care monitoring and treatment, and to education the victims of the programs that are available to assit them. We are a certified corporation of New York State. Our phone number is (631) 427-0259, web page www.unsunghhh.org(will be running in a month), email address unsunghhh@yahoo.com. Any type of assistances that you could give would be helpful. Assistance could be in the form of a donation, goods or sevices. I like to thank each and every one of you for taking the time to read this. God Bless each and everyone of you and God Bless America.

Posted by: Marvin Bethea at January 12, 2006 4:52 AM
Comment #129261

I was just wondering if anyone looked into the background of John Feal and verified his medical records. I’ve known him for many years and he is the ultimate con-artist. He has swindled people that I know personally out of thousands of dollars. He is a compulsive liar. He had faked an injury on the job that he got playing flag football so he could milk the government for disability. I wouldn’t be surprised if he purposely injured himself at 9/11 to try to milk the government out of more money.

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