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The Dems eke out leadership on Katrina

Every once in a while, the Democrats manage to demonstrate that they can muster a well thought out and workable action plan. Contrary to the GOP, the Dems have managed to trot out a plan for Katrina survivors that’s sum total isn’t “tax-relief”.

The Senate Democrats are taking action with their plan this week. Some highlights:

Ensuring health care for all displaced victims

* Immediate access to Medicaid for displaced victims.
* No need to prove residency or assets
* No copayments
* No penalties for failing to sign up for Medicare Part B in time.

The rest is in extended entry. Please don't skip it. At the bottom is Bush's response to Pelosi asking him to fire FEMA Director Mike Brown. You're gonna spit your coffee/pop/juice/water when you read it. (Hat tip to TJ on the Dem plan)

Getting victims housing

* Emergency housing vouchers for displaced victims
* Expedited application procedures with no red tape.
* No tenant contributions until they find work.
* Tax incentives for private families to take in victims.
* Identify federal facilities that can house victims.
* Relief for homeowners facing threat of foreclosure. . . .

Getting victims to family members and friends

Many of Katrina's victims have little or no access to transportation. Although FEMA has legal authority to address this, the agency seems overwhelmed and has proven unable on its own to meet the compelling needs of countless numbers of stranded victims. We therefore need to make this a White House priority and direct the President to lead a broad effort to quickly ensure that displaced victims can get to family, friends and others who can provide them with room and board.

Getting students into school

Many of Katrina's victims are children who need to enroll in a new school. To encourage schools to accept these victims, and alleviate some of the resulting burdens, we should provide funding to school districts that accept displaced children. This funding could be used to hire additional teachers, teachers' aides, or counselors, or to provide temporary expansions of classrooms. A similar program should be provided for institutions of higher education that admit displaced students. . . .


Getting victims cash to meet other basic needs

To ensure that victims can get cash for their basic needs, we should strengthen and expand the Disaster Unemployment Insurance Program and automatically extend any expiring UI benefits that victims are receiving. We also should give the President authority to increase the $26,200 statutory cap on cash assistance through the Individuals and Households Program, and should waive the 25 percent matching requirement for States in the Gulf region. In addition, victims should be allowed to withdraw funds from individual retirement accounts (IRA's) penalty-free, with extra contributions permitted later.

Providing financial relief to victims and National Guard

Katrina's victims, and National Guard involved in disaster operations, should not be obligated to make payments to the Federal government in the immediate aftermath of the disaster. There should be a short term moratorium on obligations such as:

Student loans
Individual and corporate income taxes
Small business loans

In addition, disaster victims filing for bankruptcy should be treated differently under the bankruptcy code in recognition of their particular hardship.

Requiring accountability

We should require the President to submit regular reports to the Congress on the status of recovery efforts, the number of victims who remain without decent housing, jobs, etc., and any additional resources or action needed to address the crisis.

The Dems are also coming out swinging on the feds disastrously slow response to aid New Orleans:

In a letter to the Senate's Homeland Security Committee chairwoman, Reid, the Senate Democratic leader, pressed for a wide-ranging investigation and answers to several questions, including: "How much time did the president spend dealing with this emerging crisis while he was on vacation? Did the fact that he was outside of Washington, D.C., have any effect on the federal government's response?"

At a news conference, Pelosi, D-Calif., said Bush's choice for head of the Federal Emergency Management Agency had "absolutely no credentials."

She related that she had urged Bush at the White House on Tuesday to fire Michael Brown.

"He said 'Why would I do that?'" Pelosi said.

"'I said because of all that went wrong, of all that didn't go right last week.' And he said 'What didn't go right?'"

Bush has been down there touring three times and he doesn't know what "didn't go right"?

Gawd.

Posted by Carla Ryan at September 7, 2005 5:24 PM
Comments
Comment #78843

Carla:

I’m supposed to trust Pelosi any more than Bush?

Gawd!

Posted by: Chi Chi at September 7, 2005 6:01 PM
Comment #78846

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I’m supposed to trust Pelosi any more than Bush?
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OK - get past that and discuss the issues. Can anyone explain why someone so lacking in credentials was given a NATIONAL post? And when he failed (along with others) isn’t given his walking papers? We’re not talking about some office assistant… jobs at this level carry - or should carry - very high expectations of performance. (Or should we push all that aside cause you like the guy who hired him?)

Posted by: tony at September 7, 2005 6:12 PM
Comment #78852

Craig:

As a Republican it is great to see the Democratic party FOR something. Way to go!!

Welcome back. The country needs you.

Craig

Posted by: Craig Holmes at September 7, 2005 6:28 PM
Comment #78860

If the Republicans want to go to hell than do so.

Just stop taking the rest of us with you.

Posted by: Pat at September 7, 2005 6:45 PM
Comment #78866

Hey, Democrats. Get on the bandwagon and stop the bitter stabs at your president. You guys are Un-American.

Posted by: Rene at September 7, 2005 6:55 PM
Comment #78868

Pelosi, what kind of name is that!

Posted by: Rene at September 7, 2005 6:57 PM
Comment #78871
The Senate Democrats are taking action with their plan this week. Some highlights:
…There should be a short term moratorium on obligations such as:
Individual and corporate income taxes
Sort of like Republican tax breaks, eh? Throw a bone to the poor to cover up the massive banquet you have set for your fat cat corporations. Hypocrites all. Posted by: jo at September 7, 2005 7:10 PM
Comment #78872

Fire Michael Brown? Democrats are so quick to demand that he be fired, but why have I not heard them ask for the New Orleans mayor’s resignation? He failed to request the evacuation in a timely manner and then, when he finally did, he failed to provide a way for the poorer citizens to evacuate (why are the city buses under water?). The mayor is the first person responsible because he was so lax in this crisis. I think it reasonable for the citizens to request his resignation.

Posted by: Michelle at September 7, 2005 7:13 PM
Comment #78884

Michelle-
Should you have to request transportation to get people out when the event is unfolding on national TV? Should the president wait to save lives and organize the relief effort until he’s done with his vacation?

I don’t find the reasons to be complacent about this that you do.

Posted by: Stephen Daugherty at September 7, 2005 8:31 PM
Comment #78890

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Fire Michael Brown? Democrats are so quick to demand that he be fired, but why have I not heard them ask for the New Orleans mayor’s resignation? He failed to request the evacuation in a timely manner and then, when he finally did, he failed to provide a way for the poorer citizens to evacuate (why are the city buses under water?). The mayor is the first person responsible because he was so lax in this crisis. I think it reasonable for the citizens to request his resignation.
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You should do a bit of reading before you lash out like that.

The evacuation was ordered 48 hours before the storm hit. Any sooner than that - you you might just be sending out of their homes and into the path of the storm.

The evacuation went like clockwork… an amazing exit of over 80% of the population. All the roads that needed to change over to all outbound lanes worked extremely well.

And then - there are the poor. They got left to sink with the ship. Unfortunately for those people - there are no easy answers. Local and State budgets got cut - Federal assistance got cut. No one could afford a fleet of buses and/or trains to be at the ready, in case of an emergency. Yes, there were some buses there - but hardly enough to make a big difference… and there were no people there with training to help these people evacuate.

There are quite a few things that must be worked on, and the Mayor should answer every single question… however, your unfounded ‘talking point’ attacks lack the facts or reality to take much time for consideration.

Posted by: tony at September 7, 2005 9:07 PM
Comment #78892

Bush won’t fire anyone, he dosn’t hire due to qualifications, is people only need “a good heart”. As for the disaster people down there need less finger pointing, and more help. Stop the GD ivestigations into who did what wrong. Someone told me how pissed they were Hillary wanted an investigation, at the same time Bush is starting his own (and sending Cheany down there. Why? I dunno maybe to shore up some reconstrution contracts for Halliberton) all I know is at least SOMEONE is trying to HELP the people instead of trying to point the blaim elseware, and it looks like the Dems are in charge of both departments.

Posted by: Matt at September 7, 2005 9:43 PM
Comment #78895


I’m supposed to trust Pelosi any more than Bush?

Absolutely.

Or do you really believe that…

1. 9/11 is Clinton’s fault
2. No WMD in Iraq is the CIA’s fault
3. Valerie Plame’s outing is Joe Wilson’s fault
4. Understaffing/underequipping in Iraq is Clinton’s fault, part 2
5.Terri Schiavo’s vegetative state and subsequent congressional intervention is Michael Schiavo and activist judges’ fault.
6. Upticks in Iraqi insurgent activity is Cindy Sheehan’s fault.

How many mulligans are you going to give Bush, anyway?

Posted by: carla at September 7, 2005 9:57 PM
Comment #78899

The repubs are the ones calling the shots in the power seat so they must face the music and the criticism that is coming their way…goes with the territory. As for Mr. Brown now here is a questionable political appointee if I ever saw one, and Pelosi is right on target about him. Even a casual observer would have to concede that a failed Arabian Horse Association official doesn’t have the credentials let alone experience to run an organization like FEMA…but he is. Now why is that? Knowing this makes me sleep better at night.

In most endeavors where mistakes are made, plans are not successfully executed, or performance is not achieved (basic corporate America 101) heads roll…now throw in the mix thousands of lives lost and billions of dollars of relief required. Should we not demand some form of accountable action from our elected leadership or do we wait for another trajedy to strike before we take action?

Posted by: Bill at September 7, 2005 10:14 PM
Comment #78902

Let’s get back to reality here, people. Michael Brown will be going nowhere - unless it is to a promoted position.

This White House doesn’t fire people for enormous failures or lack of judgement, it retains them (Rumsfeld), promotes them (Wolfowitz, Rice), or gives them a medal (Tenet, Bremer).

Don’t be surprised to see Michael Brown nominated to the Supreme Court this week.

Posted by: Burt at September 7, 2005 10:26 PM
Comment #78906

Burt

Unfortunately I think you are probably correct. Trying to inject logic into what seems like a stright forward decision when it comes to Mr. Brown flys in the face of the Bush doctrine for promoting or rewarding the incompetent, liars, deceivers, and the other snake oil salesman of the past few years.

So the answer is what? Suck it up? Make the best of it? I say smack them at every turn and have fun….

Posted by: Bill at September 7, 2005 10:50 PM
Comment #78913

The Democrat’s “plan” contains some good ideas, a fair number of things already being done—such as freezing of interest on loans and the extension of additional loans and grants (which are little more than jumping on the bandwagon), and some pretty unrealistic and impractical ideas. No need to prove residency to get benefits? Sounds like a perfect set-up for abuse.

Posted by: sanger at September 7, 2005 11:15 PM
Comment #78922

Its frightening to hear Republicans so loyal to a party that they ignore truth and logic. How much more lattitude can we give this President who is a proven liar, not once but many times, started a war based on lies and whose every domestic program is a failure. It seems that thee only group in America benefitting from Bush’s agenda is corporations making record profits. For the first time in America we are bombarded by propaganda launched by Bush and his minions, shameful! No I don’t care if Bush was a democrat its past time for him and his administration to go.

Posted by: Gary Hankin at September 8, 2005 12:37 AM
Comment #78929

I agree Bush has done a poor job for this country. His decisions have been off the mark a number of times with the American people and some have been mentioned above. The Republican lead Congress has not done much better. They seem to fall in line without question and both sides vote on party lines. How about a little compromise? How about actually representing the people that put you there? However, until the other side actually gives me a candidate that I can vote for I am in a difficult position. I wonder just how many people in the US voted against someone instead of voting for someone. Congress is finding it’s voice a week after Katrina. Are Republican’s speaking out because America is not happy and they are worried about the next election? Right now my vote would be - I am voting against anybody that is currently in office. My vote would not be for someone it would be against the current office holder. I wonder how many people are in the same position that I find myself in.

Posted by: C.L.O. at September 8, 2005 6:38 AM
Comment #78932

If the Democrats do have such a plan, they are in no hurry to implement it. Are the Democratic congressmen and senators going to the floor to tout their plan? Of course not. They are making the same boring anti-Bush speeches with the same old boring talking points.

As Ive written before, the Democrats are so fixated on opposing Bush that they have little time for any actual leadership. Their strategy is not to win on their plans, but to win on being the opposition. Unfortunately for them, Bush is no longer the one to beat. He is a second term president who will not be running for political office again.

Katrina illustrates the Democrats problem. The American people have seen failure from both political parties at all levels of government. Yet the Democrats have been trying to blame all the problems on Bush.
The people have seen Bush handling the situation. He hasnt done the best job, but hes been doing something. What have they seen the Democrats doing? Theyve seen the Democrats trying (and failing, according to the polls) to use the tragedy for political purposes.

If the Democrats truly wanted to eke out some actual leadership, they would ignore Bush altogether, since theres really nothing to be done about him. They should have ended the anti-Bush thing with last years election, and started being pro-Democrat. The correct political strategy would be to put together plans for the future and focus all their energy on them. Instead of whining about Bush, show the people that you can do better. Unless maybe you want to remain a diminishing minority. I wouldnt, but then again, Im not a Democrat.

If the party doesnt get over its fixation on Bush by 08, its going to be a guaranteed Republican victory. The people will be looking for a vision for the future, not a rehash of the previous eight years. Kerry may have come close by being anti-Bush, but thats because he was running against Bush. The next candidate wont be.

Posted by: TheTraveler at September 8, 2005 8:49 AM
Comment #78941

TheTraveler

Of course the dems are fixated on Bush and his policies and those of the repub majority in both halls of Congress. They haven’t actually done a stellar job across the broad front in advancing the interests of all Americans.

I think the Dems did trot out a plan that shows vision (see Carla’s comments above). But the old adage - visions/plans are cheap and execution is everything - pertains more to the party in power that gets to actually pull the strings, in this case the Bush repubs. Politics is all about poking holes in the other guys tent and always has been. We may not like it but that’s the game.

Don’t worry, the Bush repubs will not be power too much longer and then it will be your turn to rip the dems a new one.

Posted by: Bill at September 8, 2005 9:51 AM
Comment #78948

Bill,

They haven’t actually done a stellar job across the broad front in advancing the interests of all Americans.

Then why cant the Democrats win, even though they spend most of their time pointing it out? Because they havent even tried to prove to the people that they can do better.

How will the Democrats come to power if Carla is the only one willing to talk about their plans? All the others are focused on useless Bush-bashing. Yes, useless. In terms of politics, pointing out what Bush does wrong doesnt help you unless you are able to prove to the people that you can do better. Simply not being Bush isnt enough. Youd think the Democrats would have learned this after the last two elections.

Bush has been elected for the last time. You no longer need to “poke holes in his tent,” as you put it. The Dems need to advance their own causes, if they have any.
The only cause theyve been putting any support behind is Bushs removal from office. But thats going to happen automatically without your help. Someone else will be running next time. The Dems will not be able to beat that person (and they probably wont do very well in 06 either) if they keep focusing on Bush instead of their own plans for Americas future.

Posted by: TheTraveler at September 8, 2005 10:37 AM
Comment #78970
If the Democrats do have such a plan, they are in no hurry to implement it.

LOL! Traveler, the minority party doesn’t implement anything. Republicans control both houses of Congress, the executive branch, and now the judiciary. Democrats can’t pass gas, much less legislation.

That said, they’re doing a great job shaming Republicans into taking action. America is watching.

As I?ve written before, the Democrats are so fixated on opposing Bush… Unfortunately for them, Bush is no longer the one to beat.

I can’t believe you guys are so stuck in partisan politics that you don’t get what’s going on. You guys are so perplexed that Democrats “bash” President Bush when he can’t be re-elected. It never occurs to you partisans that Americans might just be outraged with the complete incompetence and indifference displayed by the Bush administration.

Pelosi is absolutely right to demand Brown’s head on a platter. I can’t believe President Bush had the gall to ask her “What didn’t go right?” That’s just crazy ugly. What’s the death toll on the Gulf Coast?

Posted by: American Pundit at September 8, 2005 11:28 AM
Comment #78976

I am a bit confused about the approach that some have suggested which is to vote for the non-incumbent at all elections for some period of time. My questions/concerns are :

[1] What if an incumbent is doing a good job
[2] Do you have to change party affiliation or, form a new one because if you are a Republican and the incumbent is a Republican, you are voting for the Democrat, and vice-versa.
[3] Does this concept include every level of elected official
[4] With the exception of, for example a Senator who is not up for re-election, if everyone simply votes for the non-incumbent do we pretty much wind up with a reversal of majority

Posted by: steve smith at September 8, 2005 11:56 AM
Comment #78985

LOL! Traveler, the minority party doesn’t implement anything. Republicans control both houses of Congress, the executive branch, and now the judiciary. Democrats can’t pass gas, much less legislation.

Then talk up your plans to the people! If they like what they hear, youll become the majority and be able to pass them! The last two elections have shown that Bush-bashing alone wont get you elected. Take the plans we keep hearing about and show them to us. In detail.

Its your job as Democrats to show the people that you are better than the Republicans. So far, youve only showed us that you are against what they stand for. Why not show us that you are for something better? You said in another thread that Democrats have ideas up the wazoo. Well pull them out and put them in the lime light! Stop putting your former opponents name in the news and focus the press time on your plans, not your opinion of Bush.

You guys are so perplexed that Democrats “bash” President Bush when he can’t be re-elected. It never occurs to you partisans that Americans might just be outraged with the complete incompetence and indifference displayed by the Bush administration.

I’m perplexed because you dont seem to understand the basics of politics. If the people are already so outraged, then you dont need to bash bush do you? You need to show that youre better.

Kerry campaigned on being anti-Bush and a Viet Nam hero. When we asked about his plans for the future we were told to see his website. You told me that yourself, AP! He did come close, but being anti-bush only works when youre running against Bush!

In 08 the Republican candidate will be not Bush just like the Democratic candidate. If the Democrats campaign on being not bush, it wont be enough to win. The Democrats can win in 08 (and maybe even in 06 if they put their minds to it) if they campaign on their vision for Americas future, and tell the people how they plan to achieve it. Clinton did it, Carter did it, Kennedy did it, Roosevelt did it. Kerry didnt do it. Complaining about an already unpopular president is not a winning strategy for beating someone else.

Posted by: TheTraveler at September 8, 2005 12:16 PM
Comment #78997

Pelosi is absolutely right to demand Brown’s head on a platter. I can’t believe President Bush had the gall to ask her “What didn’t go right?” That’s just crazy ugly. What’s the death toll on the Gulf Coast?

Perhaps Bush just wanted specifics? After all, he can’t just fire somebody “because of all that went wrong (as Pelosi put it).” He probably wanted her to give specific problems that could be attributed directly to Brown.
So, did she give him an answer? Or was she just trying to set him up to say something that she could use in her press conference?

Posted by: TheTraveler at September 8, 2005 12:52 PM
Comment #79012
Then talk up your plans to the people! …The last two elections have shown that Bush-bashing alone won?t get you elected.

Traveler, we were all about issues in the last two elections. If you aren’t hearing them, it’s because you don’t want to. FOX News and Rush certainly aren’t going to promote the Democratic agenda.

Did you know that Democrats made a big energy policy announcement before the energy bill was passed? Of course you don’t. The media totally ignored it. God, I wish the media had a liberal bias.

Perhaps Bush just wanted specifics?

Oh, c’mon! Bush gave Pelosi the same answer my 3-year old boy gives me when I catch him doing something wrong. That kind of speculation on the part of Bush-fans is why there’s no accountability, and no one in the administration takes responsibility for anything.

Posted by: American Pundit at September 8, 2005 1:44 PM
Comment #79020

There’s no time like the present to be pointing the finger of blame. Shaming the party in power seems to be the only effective means of accomplishing anything useful, and the American people are LUCKY of that works. Unless the republicans can guarantee there won’t be any terrorist attacks or natural catastrophes between now and the time the Katrina emergency has passed, it’s imperative that we do what we can to find out what went wrong and fix it as fast as possible.

Posted by: THOM HOUTS at September 8, 2005 2:12 PM
Comment #79030
I’m supposed to trust Pelosi any more than Bush?

Clearly, my comment was misunderstood. Those who are accusing me of blindly supporting Bush obviously have not read any of my other posts. My comment meant why should I trust her any more than just about any other incumbent legislator?

Will you honestly try to tell me that her comments were not at all politically motivated? Of course they were. Just as any other incumbent politician who can score air time will make some sort of comment also.

You partisans have got to get your head off of the party web site, throw away all these talking points, and get in the game. Stop the finger pointing until the victims are safe, fed, clothed, permanently relocated, or placed back in their old neighborhood after rebuilding.

There will be plenty of time to point fingers, investigate and fire. Right now, humans—Americans—are still dieing. Get it done.

Then, I suggest we do everything we can to promote booting out the bums and pushing independents hard. No more of this marrying yourself to a party at all costs—as is all too often demonstrated here. There is no more original thought coming from either party—just piss and vinegar.

Posted by: Chi Chi at September 8, 2005 2:47 PM
Comment #79035

Traveler, we were all about issues in the last two elections.

Oh, yes. Kerry said ‘I have a plan’ a lot. Never went into much detail, though. Even you had to point to his web site when asked about specifics.

If you aren’t hearing them, it’s because you don’t want to.

Of course I want to. I did read Carla’s article didn’t I? But the people doing the actual campaigning seem to spend more time talking about Bush than their plans. So do the people writing on WatchBlog.

FOX News and Rush certainly aren’t going to promote the Democratic agenda.

No kidding! Whodathunkit?

Speaking of their agenda, the basic premise of it has to do with opposing Bush no matter what. I know this because the focus of most of their speeches is on Bush, not promoting their own plans.

Did you know that Democrats made a big energy policy announcement before the energy bill was passed?

No, I didn’t, actually.
A big policy announcement, eh? Wow!
Personally, if I were running the party, I would take these ideas and use them in the campaigns. I�d have the candidates talk to the voters about them. Tell the people that the democrats have a plan on this issue and here�s what we�re going to do step by step.
But perhaps I�m wrong. Maybe making an obscure policy announcement and having the candidates talk about what Bush is doing wrong is a better Idea. I don�t see how, though

By the way, I�d like to read the announcement if you have a link. See, I�m interested…

Oh, c’mon! Bush gave Pelosi the same answer my 3-year old boy gives me when I catch him doing something wrong. That kind of speculation on the part of Bush-fans is why there’s no accountability

So you agree with Pelosi that Brown is responsible for �all that went wrong� and �all that didn’t go right?� I don�t. There were problems in many places at all levels of government. By both parties, I might add. If you truly want accountability, firing Brown isn�t the answer. Not the only one at any rate. It�s certainly not something to do on the spot. Even Pelosi couldn�t link a specific problem dirrectly to him.

Posted by: TheTraveler at September 8, 2005 3:03 PM
Comment #79222

Back to my original question: why just ask for Michael Brown to be fired? There was failure at every single level. The Demos would have lashed out at Bush no matter what he would have done in this crisis. They nitpick at every little thing he does and try to distort facts to fool the general public. I actually laughed when, at the beginning of this crisis, Bush was actually blamed for global warming! Do you know how stupid and hateful you Demos look right now. Why do you think you lost the 2004 election? Becuase most people are smart and actually see you for who you are: hateful, spiteful people that are not in tune with the how the average American thinks and feels. Get a clue. Your party needs some serious overhauling if you want to start winning over more people.

Posted by: Michelle at September 9, 2005 12:52 AM
Comment #79253

Michelle, it’s because Brown was appointed to his post. If you want to fire Nagin or Blanco, you have to wait until the next election. It’s the same reason nobody’s trying to fire President Bush.

Posted by: American Pundit at September 9, 2005 4:02 AM
Comment #79257
Speaking of their agenda, the basic premise of it has to do with opposing Bush no matter what.

Rubbish. Here’s a transcript of the first presidential debate where Kerry talks about his plan to fight terrorism, win in Iraq, secure loose nukes, secure chemical and nuclear plants, increase the number of first responders and make sure they have the equipment necessary to do their jobs, his plans to deal with Iran and North Korea (which the Bush administration ended up following, finally), and nuclear non-proliferation.

Here’s a transcript of the vice-presidential debate where Edwards talks about the plans Kerry put forth in the first debate then adds plans for Israel and Palestine, creating jobs, ending poverty, balancing the budget, middle-class tax cuts, ending frivolous lawsuits, the AIDS epidemic, creating a unified terrorist watchlist to keep terrorists out of the country, improving public education, healthcare, and fixing the Medicare prescription drug benefit.

Here’s the second presidential debate where Kerry lays out his plans for education, middle-class tax cuts…

I think you get the picture, Traveler, but I suspect you’re making your argument as a partisan attack. Unfortunately there are people gullible enough to believe what you’re saying even though it should be totally obvious it’s a crock.

Posted by: American Pundit at September 9, 2005 6:50 AM
Comment #79258
So you agree with Pelosi that Brown is responsible for �all that went wrong� and �all that didn’t go right?

Pelosi never said that, and neither did I. It’s kinda sad you have to resort to making stuff now. There’s plenty of blame to go around, but it’s obvious that Brown’s FEMA screwed up, and voters will remember Republicans as the party that protects and promotes incompetence.

Posted by: American Pundit at September 9, 2005 6:55 AM
Comment #79263

AP,
I saw those debates. Kerry talked about a lot of plans, but wasnt very specific.
Kerry presented his plans to us in a certain way and lost. That way was to continually compare himself to Bush. In his speeches and the debates he should have focused more on what he would do in the future and less on what Bush had done in the past. If you look at the history of your party, others (Roosevelt, Kennedy, Johnson, and to a lesser extent Clinton and Carter) won by talking about the future, not the past.

I think you get the picture, Traveler, but I suspect you’re making your argument as a partisan attack.

What partisan attack? Im trying to help the party win for a change. Im trying to tell you how to campaign more effectively because their current strategy doesnt work. Bush is already unpopular. The key here is to make the Democratic Party more popular.

Pelosi never said that, and neither did I. It’s kinda sad you have to resort to making stuff now.

Why would you acuse me of making it up? Pelosi quoted herself as saying that. Its in Carlas article and she posted a link to the press conference as well:

“He said ‘Why would I do that?’” Pelosi said.
“‘I said because of all that went wrong, of all that didn’t go right last week.’ And he said ‘What didn’t go right?’”

Id be interested to know where the conversation went from there, but unfortunately, Pelosi didnt go into more detail. Apparently, once she got Bush to say something she could use against him, the rest of the conversation ceased to be important.

Posted by: TheTraveler at September 9, 2005 8:27 AM
Comment #79332
I saw those debates. Kerry talked about a lot of plans, but wasn?t very specific.

I think he did a pretty good job in 90 seconds for each. You could have also read more detailed analyses in the newspapers, all the major papers carried them before the election.

John Kerry also sepcifically said the plans were available on his website in complete and excruciating detail — as you mentioned, I reminded you of that. Hell, Senator Kerry published his entire book, “Our Plan for America”, online for free. It goes into all the hairy detail you want.

Another really good full-length book on Democratic policy is James Carville’s book, “Had Enough?” It’s brilliant, inspirational, and makes me proud to be a Democrat. The Border’s book store here in Singapore still sells through several copies a month.

Posted by: American Pundit at September 9, 2005 1:38 PM
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