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July 19, 2005

Response Will Show True Character

During the 2000 election George W. Bush stated that, “He would restore honor and dignity to the Oval Office. “He also stated, “people would be held to account.” Both were references to the Clinton administration. The republican party felt that Clinton did not share their values and he was not honest with the American people. Here is Bush’s next opportunity to prove his moral character.

Bush has another oppotunity to show his true character to the people who support him and his detractors.
His first came when on 9/11 terrorists flew planes into the Twin Towers and the Pentagon. The world was in shock. We needed to take action(Rove would have you believe different). We needed to go after the people responsible(Not those who share an ideology). We needed a global effort to combat terrorism. Instead he sold the country on Iraq's weapons capabilty and the imminent threat they posed to American citizens due to the attempted purchase of plutonium from an African nation. He showed the world photos of secret labs and mobile launch systems.He dismissed most of our allies and went in without world support.We now know that not only did Iraq not pose a threat but that this administration was gathering logistical information on an Iraq invasion before 9/11. His true character became clearer.

Now he is faced with another opportunity to show his character.
These are the simple facts.

1) 1/2003 President says in State of the Union adress that Saddam tried to purchase plutonium from African nation.
2) Shortly thereafter Joe Wilson wrote a commentary that says this is not true.
3) Robert Novak writes column that "outed" Joe Wilson's wife.
4) An angry Joe Wilson accuses Karl Rove of retaliating because of the op-ed piece.
5) White House denies any involvement.
6) Federal investigation begins.
7) Matt Cooper reveals Karl Rove is the leak via e-mails and saved his own butt from jail.
Will George W. Bush restore dignity and honor to the White House or will he throw away another opportunity to show the world he is a man of character?

Posted by Andre M. Hernandez at July 19, 2005 04:17 PM
Comments
Comment #67559

Andre:

His first came when on 9/11 terrorists flew planes into the Twin Towers and the Pentagon. The world was in shock. We needed to take action(Rove would have you believe different). We needed to go after the people responsible(Not those who share an ideology). We needed a global effort to combat terrorism. Instead he sold the country on Iraq’s weapons capabilty and the imminent threat…..

One small point of clarification. We did, in fact, invade Afghanistan where the Taliban and Al Qaeda were located. I agree with your premise, but it is important to provide all the information, not cherry pick to support your view. Leaving out obvious facts or information lessens your point.

I agreed with the quick, strong strike in Afghanistan. I did not agree with the war in Iraq. Again, I agree with your basic assertion that Bush can prove he has a pair of cajones by sticking to his word about Rove and the Wilson debacle. But in your lead up to your point, your missed info important to make a fair decision.

Posted by: Chi Chi at July 19, 2005 06:00 PM
Comment #67568

He’s a character alright! One of the worst Presidents since Herbert Hoover, and with probably the same outcome.

Posted by: David R. Remer at July 19, 2005 07:23 PM
Comment #67569

Make the worse outcome. The U.S. recovered from Hoover.

Posted by: David R. Remer at July 19, 2005 07:24 PM
Comment #67576

David,
With the likes of Johnson, Carter, and Clinton. You call Bush the worst president sense Hoover?

Posted by: Ron Brown at July 19, 2005 08:14 PM
Comment #67586

You mention facts not in evidence. A special prosecutor is looking into it. See what the results. Until then, read what the liberal media said about the ">http://www.bakerlaw.com/files/tbl_s10News/FileUpload44/10159/Amici%20Brief%20032305%20(Final).PDF”> security implications of the Plame case

Posted by: jack at July 19, 2005 09:33 PM
Comment #67617

Jack, are you citing a plea by Miller’s co-workers as proof that there was no national security breach? That’s really stretching, don’t you think? After all, it was the CIA that called for the investigation, not Democrats.

Posted by: American Pundit at July 20, 2005 02:33 AM
Comment #67627

Bush: Define “honor and dignity”.

Posted by: Var at July 20, 2005 03:50 AM
Comment #67648

Chi Chi,

Did you really feel that Bush was focused on Afghanistan after 9/11?

Think back, sending troops to Afghanistan was treated by the Bush administration as something neccessary but not nearly as important.

His sole focus was to implement his plans for regime change in Iraq.

Where is Osama Bin Laden?

Why does Bush say he is now unimportant?

Why stay the course in Iraq, but not the hunt for those responsible for 9/11?


Posted by: Andre M. Hernandez at July 20, 2005 08:35 AM
Comment #67674

Take heart Democrats and Liberals, in January of 2009 you guys will seize control of the government at virtually every level. At that point you can begin to undo all the wrongs that have been committed against mankind here at home and abroad.

It will be a massive undertaking but you will have many years to get it done. The Republicans/Conservatives have alienated people to the point where another one couldn’t get elected for twelve years at minimum.

We will all be much safer when this happens because our borders will be secure, 100% of all incoming shipments will be inspected, every American, legal and illegal alien will have full health care, many illegal drugs will legalized and sold at the corner newstand, prescription drugs will be available to everyone at minimal cost, the big corporations and wealthy will pay all the taxes except for token amounts paid by the general citizenry.

Donations for political campaigns will be limited to $10.00 per individual, company and special interest group.

We will never clear anymore land or chop down a tree to uncover a natural resource. (There will no longer be a need for treehuggers).

Ghettos and blighted areas will flourish in the interest of personal property rights. The crime and disease that results will be dealt with in the most humane way.

There will be no need for gun control laws because the manufacture of guns will be eliminated. Military equipment will be produced like a LEGO set so that you can be prepared for a conflict in any location under any circumstances merely by assembling the appropriate parts.

One of our primary responsibilities, irrespective of cost will be to heal the world’s sick and afflicted.

We will not have any wars or conflicts because we will send people to talk with and negotiate peaceful settlements to all scenarios. The terrorists, Chinese and North Koreans are very open minded when it comes to having good solid relationships with the US.

If there ever is a conflict and we are backed into a corner and actually have to take a prisoner he will be assigned one of the attorneys that are travelling with our troops and read the military equivalent of his Miranda rights on the battlefield. Once taken to the nearest Hilton he will be interrogated at his convenience.

Posted by: steve smith at July 20, 2005 10:30 AM
Comment #67680

Steve Smith,

That was hilarious.

You left out that the president would be a gay woman and that our borders would be secured by all of the “tree huggers” holding hands to form a “Peace Wall.” Oh yeah, you forgot the soy fueled automobiles too.

Just because we question this administration does not make us “Bleeding Heart Liberals.”

Your post was still very funny.

Posted by: Andre M. Hernandez at July 20, 2005 11:05 AM
Comment #67684

Andre,

That was really the only intent of my post, to inject a little humor. When it’s all said and done I honestly don’t think (although we would never admit it) that for the most part all American citizens want what is best for all of us.

It is natural to disagree, throw stones, criticize, question the integrity of, etc. each
other. Unfortunately, doing so very often causes discussions to become personal. I have fallen prey to that myself. After a little bantering I sit back a realize how silly it is.

Political “power” if you will allow that term for descriptive purposes only is going to change from time to time, that’s the way of things. As a result about 45-49% of the people will be unhappy and/or on the defensive from time to time.

Once we all realize that it will never be a perfect world, we will all be better off.

Thanks for appreciating the humor in my previous post.

Posted by: steve smith at July 20, 2005 11:16 AM
Comment #67695

steve smith~

Another shining example of your humor that I enjoy so much!

After our Republican reign of terror, I will certainly expect no less than the results posted above, and will except no substitutes or excuses either!

Posted by: Traci at July 20, 2005 11:42 AM
Comment #67717

Steve,
I want just want a President that doesn’t suck,regardless of party affiliation.This administration is terrible. I know we differ on that point but I just have way too many questions that I don’t feel I would get answered by this administration. Clinton will not go down in U.S. history as a great leader or moralist but to say that we can allow this administration no accountability based on past mistakes made by Clinton is not something I’m willing to do. Give me a list of Clinton’s top 3 screw ups and we’ll compare them to George Bush’s.
It’ll be fun.

Posted by: Andre M. Hernandez at July 20, 2005 01:47 PM
Comment #67722

Andre:
“Will George W. Bush restore dignity and honor to the White House or will he throw away another opportunity to show the world he is a man of character?”

Andre, puppets don’t have any character but that which is provided by the hand up their ass. Karl Rove IS the hand.

Traci:
“I will certainly expect no less than the results posted above, and will except no substitutes or excuses either!”

That’s strange, I was thinking that maybe you guys might actually appreciate ANY small shred of improvement in your lives rather than the nothing that Bush has given you.

Posted by: Adrienne at July 20, 2005 01:56 PM
Comment #67752

Andre,

You want a President that doesn’t suck. As do I. We have one that arguably does suck and one that got suck_ _.

You would win by far in the listing of screw ups Clinton vs Bush. Other than the White House pipe cleaning incident I can’t think of too many things that I didn’t like about Clinton. My # 1 dislike would have to be Hillary.

I am one of those people who roll with the punches when it comes to which party is in power. I know I can complain, and I do but, I also know it’s not forever so I just make the best of it.

Adrienne,
The President doesn’t give anything to anyone that improves their lives. People improve their own lives by using the good sense, ability, motivation and belief in something. In my case GOD.

Posted by: steve smith at July 20, 2005 03:36 PM
Comment #67776

Andre:

Chi Chi,

Did you really feel that Bush was focused on Afghanistan after 9/11?

Focused? Not really. But I still think you need to give what credit is due. The first instinct, whether with or without an alterior motive, was to hit the terrorists where they live, and rightly so. After the fact, he got “distracted” by his woody for Sadam.

His sole focus was to implement his plans for regime change in Iraq.

I disagree. I think his ADHD got in the way of completing the task at hand. Once the battle in Afghanistan appeared won, he started (prematurely in any respect) his plans based on the aforementioned woodrow for Sadam, which horribly overstretched our forces and, if anything, lacked any sensible focus at all. I don’t think it was his sole focus. Also, I honestly think he believed his own poor intelligence on WMDs. It’s sad, I know. I don’t think he is the one pulling the strings there, and he acted on what he thought he knew.

Having said all this, keep in mind that I make no excuses for the Bush admin. It has had numerous failures and contradictions. But, again, in fairness, I think we still have to give him at least a small amount of credit for his initial response.

Posted by: Chi Chi at July 20, 2005 05:33 PM
Comment #67781

steve:
“The President doesn’t give anything to anyone that improves their lives.”

Yeah well, why don’t you get back to me once you’ve finally sat down to research that medicare prescription drug benefit info that you were so curious about last week, okay Steve? Then maybe you’ll change your mind about how far your own “good sense, ability, motivation and belief in something” will to get you when sound, altruistic, and logical presidential policies go missing.

“In my case GOD.”

Well, with our current leaders making so many illogical decisions, if there is such an entity that actually involves itself with all the cares and trials of humanity, on this wee dust speck floating in vast and unknowable space — may it help us all.

But in my opinion, wishing and praying for things, or events, or conditions obviously doesn’t make them so. Instead, our brains developed by attempting to think logically and analytically — to follow progressions of cause and effect — rather than drown in bewildering and unsolvable mysteries.

Posted by: Adrienne at July 20, 2005 06:15 PM
Comment #67783

Adrienne,

I have put in more research on prescription drug alternatives than you can possibly imagine. I can tell you the cost for every prescription drug that my wife and I take from out of country pharmacies, AARP pharmacy, (which is not at all bad BTW) mail order/internet pharmacies, etc. Right now I have a COBRA plan that covers prescription drugs for another 18 months.

If you think for one minute in your lifetime you are ever going to see a prescription drug program that makes them truly affordable for all who need them IMO you are sadly mistaken.

Believe it or not the people who are best off when it comes to prescription drugs is people who own absolutely nothing and have no resources to speak of. Of course none of us want to be in that position but it is the truth.

With respect to what makes my life better being GOD, nothing could be more true. HE provides what I need at the time that I need it, HE answers prayers and protects my family and, HE sent HIS only SON to die on the cross for my sins so that I will have everlasting life.

Posted by: steve smith at July 20, 2005 06:43 PM
Comment #67860

steve s,

Why do you dislike Hillary so much? I understand she lacks charm, but what about her is so offensive to so many people?

As for prescription drugs, have you looked into the procurement system for the Veteran’s hospitals? In my opinion, this is the best presc. drug policy we have in the nation that is operating right now. What do you think? I can’t understand why we can’t do more to implement that policy on a larger scale.

Posted by: Julia at July 21, 2005 01:23 PM
Comment #67949
If you think for one minute in your lifetime you are ever going to see a prescription drug program that makes them truly affordable for all who need them IMO you are sadly mistaken.

Why? Why not make prescription drugs affordable? I’m sure you agree that they’re over-priced right now - otherwise you couldn’t explain the low prices of the “out of country” drugs you’re buying.

Posted by: American Pundit at July 22, 2005 04:52 AM