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AP,

Didn’t you hear those Dem Reps who were saying what the party needs to do is learn to talk about God? to learn to talk to the people in the red states? to be able to convince the ‘reds’ that they are really on their side?

It is the ‘reds’ who need to be afraid. The ‘reds’ who need not fall for the rhetoric of the ‘blues’ that know how to talk to them.

We all need to listen to the real message and know who the messenger really is.

Besides, as we’ve all learned, there is no biographical detail that the GOP can’t turn against someone. Clinton was from Arkansas, so he was an inbred hillbilly. Kerry was from Boston, so he is Mr. Fancypants. (Where do you real, salt-of-the-earth Americans live, anyway?) Now all the right-wing pundits are dreaming up snide things to write about Nevada. Which won’t be hard…

And, of course, they can always form Outhouse Veterans for Truth. Harry Reid isn’t being honest about that outhouse. It had air-conditioning. I was there!

But more to the point, I don’t see how choosing a bland pro-lifer is a winning strategy. What we need is a Newt Gingrich-type to present a clear alternative to Borg America. (Nice analogy, DR.)

Don’t know a thing about Reid besides those quotes I just read, but it sure does sound like an admission of defeat. “We’ll compromise, we’ll compromise, just don’t beat us no more!”

Pathetic.

Unless you want to count Pelosi, we’re officially leaderless.

I read where some people are trying to draft Howard Dean into the DNC chairman job. I didn’t agree with some of his positions, but the guy wasn’t afraid to stand up and talk about his principles. YEARGH!!

And what happened to Kerry? After the election he said he was going to take a leadership position in the party. Then he just kinda went back to being Jr. Senator from Mass. I guess once you lose an election you’re… well, a loser.

Maybe Pelosi will write a Progressive Contract with America.

AP

Your title and tone indicate why Democrats have trouble in (and with) the heart of America. You are right to point out that not many Americans are without indoor plumbing or electricity, but that is not the point. The people who voted for George W. Bush are on average richer and slightly better educated than those who went for John Kerry Although its not a big difference and Kerry’ support tended to be bimodal – higher with the very poorly educated and very well educated, Bush did better among the some college and college graduates see http://www.cnn.com/ELECTION/2004/pages/results/states/US/P/00/epolls.0.html.

The professor and the HS dropout who mows his lawn both voted for Kerry. The junior executive at the bank and the computer expert that keeps her equipment running were Bush supporters.

Democrats characterize Bush voters as either the Beverly Hillbillies or evangelical extremists. Most are neither, and until they start to respect the voters – all the voters – Democrats will continue their slow motion trip to oblivion.

Could someone please show me some ACTUAL, CONCRETE EVIDENCE that conservatives are humble and liberals think their sh%t doesn’t stink? It seems to be this is just a “big lie” that is repeated because it is useful to the people in power.

jack, I’m not really sure what you’re trying to say with all the stats, but most Democrats don’t think Bush voters are “the Beverly Hillbillies or evangelical extremists.” We just think they’re stupid or misguided. :)

And don’t worry, jack. Democrats aren’t going anywhere. ;)

AP my friend,

I think I posted my views on this in an earlier post,”Take us to our leader”?

In my humble opinion, from a nonpartisan political engineering standpoint, Reid is the worst pick possible for Dem’s on the left.
He’s quite moderate on most issues, He’s NOT from a “safe blue state”, He knows that if he don’t lead the party to the center, he can be “targeted” by the GOP and voted out of office, just like Tom Dashell was.

For moderate Dem’s he is a good choice and may help the party overall, however, He may anger those on the far left and might divide the Dem base.
He is very pro gun, (I like that) some on the far left, like Kennedy, will be unhappy.

I’m sure ,as a Rep, I’ll get bashed for offering advice to Dem’s, (I was before), but on this issue I think we agree, for Dem’s on the left he was a crappy choice.

AP

I think you are right “Democrats aren’t going anywhere.” But I would add, as long as they don’t change their attitudes. I suppose you are joking about Republicans being stupid or misguided, but many Democrats seem to hold that opinion in fact. What does that say about Democrats when they are consistently bested by the stupid and misguided?

What does that say about Democrats when they are consistently bested by the stupid and misguided?

One could say that the reason for that is that the majority of people are stupid or misguided — but I won’t say it. ; )

Alejo,

“One could say that the reason for that is that the majority of people are stupid or misguided — but I won’t say it. ; )”

By that statement did you mean highschool dropouts or the super educated that make up the Dem base?

Take no offence, that was joking, I couldn’t help myself.

Hey Jack,
Ever hear of a phrase “ignorance of the masses”. Come on man, good people do stupid crap. Lets look at the Nazis. Most Germans under the Nazi regime were decent people, but they were ignorant and misguided and duped by an eloquent speaker whom they identified with. I’m, of course, not saying Bush is Hitler, but it is a good case study in how easily uninformed people can be tricked. Liberals (I am going to avoid using the word Democrat from now on since I no longer identify with them…thank you Reid) don’t think Republicans are stupid and that “our S doesn’t stink”. In fact, we are fully aware of the prowess of the leaders of the Republican party. The difference is that we are able to see through their B.S. (not saying everything Republicans say is B.S.) and the psychological games that the neo-con operatives use to confuse the electorate. I mean lets be honest here, I was very involved in this year’s election and even I got confused from time to time. An uninformed voter is like a horse in a stampeding herd. They don’t care enough to actually delve into the facts; they’re going to beleive what they are told on TV.
By the way, this is absolutely in no way indicitive of their education. My uncle is an accountant (meaning college educated) and he believed most of the lies from the Swifties. It has nothing to do with education, simply priorities. Most people could give a flying fluff about politics. To them, this is a once every 4 (or 2) year event.
Democrats will do themselves a great injustice by continuing to slide to the right. We don’t need yes men in our midst; we need someone who can put a new face on our policies not completely change them.

The junior executive at the bank and the computer expert that keeps her equipment running were Bush supporters.

BTW, if there’s a Democrat in California who is proud of their principles, and is willing to fight for them, run against Feinstein in 2006. You’ve got my vote.

Ideas for name of new party:
1. Progressive Party
2. Liberal Party
3. YEARRRRGGGGHHH Party :-)

Hey guys! This is the very first time I see this blog. Wow! I love it! What passion! THAT is EXACTLY what this party needs. No pandering to the center. Those there need a new name or maybe the left should just become the “Liberal Party”? We can not and we should not depart from what we believe in. What we believe in is just fine with 48% of the population. Maybe that isn’t enough to win, but let’s face it, there were areas where we just didn’t fight the good fight. We didn’t respond the Swifties quick enough. We allowed Bush to stay on his fear message way too long. Then we allowed him to use propaganda tacting of namecalling! For instance, we allowed the flipflopper name to stick. We allowed the “gay marriage” issue to dominate. Most gay people (that I know) aren’t necessarily interested in the institution of marriage, but rather the protections it grants. We could have earlier on explained how becoming more educated on a subject could change one’s mind. That changing you mind is not a sign of weakness, but that being bullheaded is! We could have stated the government should not and can not tell a free individual who they should love (with the exception of children). The government should not be in the business of deciding a women should give birth to a child they do not want. This issue alone is not black and white. No one can say (no rational person)”I am against abortion under any circumstances!” Most can make exceptions for rape or incest or even some can consider the mother’s life. My point is, we have to decide if we are staying lefties to our demise if necessary or becoming centrist and no longer Democrats. America chooses every two years. We just have to educate them better. I can’t imagine they are ALL “Stupid”!

I suppose you are joking about Republicans being stupid or misguided

Actually, I wasn’t. The smiley emoticon represented a fraternal love and concern for all my stupid or misguided Bush-voter brothers and sisters. :)

Seriously Jack, let’s at least admit that each side thinks the other is stupid or misguided. I fully believe that John Kerry would have been a much better president, and I feel that his, and by extension the Democratic Party’s, values and goals are the best for this country.

Now tell me how I’m wrong in a way that’s not just a long-winded euphemism for being stupid or misguided. :)

Apparently, I spoke too soon on Kerry giving up his bully pulpit. I just got an email from him,

…on the first day Congress is in session next year, I will introduce a bill to provide every child in America with health insurance. And, with your help, that legislation will be accompanied by the support of hundreds of thousands of Americans.

There are more than eight million uninsured children in our nation.

That’s eight million reasons for us to stay together and fight for a new direction. It is a disgrace that in the wealthiest nation on earth, eight million children go without health insurance.

Normally, a member of the Senate will first approach other senators and ask them to co-sponsor a bill before it is introduced — instead, I am turning to you. Imagine the power of a bill co-sponsored by hundreds of thousands of Americans being presented on the floor of the United States Senate. You can make it happen. Sign our “Every Child Protected” pledge today and forward it to your family, friends, and neighbors:

http://johnkerry.com/EveryChild

This is the beginning of a second term effort to hold the Bush administration accountable and to stand up and fight for our principles and our values. They want you to disappear; they are counting on that. I’m confident you will prove them wrong, and you will rewrite history again.

Here is what I want you to know. I understand the strength, commitment, and passion that are at the core of what we built together — and I am determined to make our collective energy and organization a force to be reckoned with in the weeks and months ahead.

Let’s roll up our sleeves and get back to work for our country.

Sweet! That’s exactly the kind of leadership I’m talking about.