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Bonus footage of our Moron-in-Chief (running for governor of TX).

It doesn’t really bother me that he’s giving someone the finger, but he seems so amused with himself. What is this, grade school?

I wasn’t that impressed though it is timely and I like his “army” marching into the polls. White America was better.

What turned me on is his dramatization of the idea of the vote being a peaceful means of revolution.

Yeah, that was powerful. I just didn’t like all the “me,” “I,” “don’t listen to them, listen to me,” stuff. And the beat wasn’t that great.

COmpare to any other political messages.
Its better than some stupid bush or kerry commercial

Its funny that this should be the first thing I see in WB today, because news of this video was also the first thing in my in box this morning which I’d received as a link from from a rap-obsessed friend of mine. And it blew me away, too.
For Slim Shady (the guy who has never seemed to give a sh*t about anything) to get pissed off enough to make rhymes like those, well, I think its safe to say that the tide has definitely turned with our disaffected youth.
I really like the brooding beat and the menacing atmosphere of the song as much as I like the image of the urban army marching together with a clear and urgent purpose. Its great that just when you think they’re going into the Whitehouse to destroy, you see that what they’re really doing is taking back the power with their votes.
I give it five stars - for intelligent rhymes, clever use of imagery, and amazing art direction.

Yo check out this site. www.cafepress.com/DancinBear Knowledge goes a long way.

Your right. I loved it.
But yet, why was the Stolen Honor video wrong again?
Oh well, cant wait to get the CD.

It doesn’t surprise me. Eminem is a genius at what he does, rapping and marketing. He stands firm against Bush, but doesn’t support Kerry. It’s the MTV way of saying lets get Bush out and try this other guy who we really don’t like. If proven effective it will show the strong influence MTV and the P.Diddy’s of the world have on the youth. They want you to be heard! A ‘loud’ follower? Eminem creates controversy and I applaud him for that. Freedom of speech will never change NO matter who our President is. It’s up to us to educate ourselves with the facts, not just what is spoonfed to us through the media. Clear Channel is a huge supporter of Bush. I would have more respect for Eminem if he refused to play his songs on their stations. At the end of the day, Eminem is a smart man and knows how to make money. Just like P.Diddy utalizing a site to sell T-Shirts. It wasn’t until recent that actual content was on the Vote or Die site. I don’t blame these people for making money, it’s capitalism at it’s finest! However, no one should ever buy your vote, but today’s artists have found a way to sell it to you! Don’t pay for a vote! You don’t need a shirt or album to be heard! Whoever you vote for, if you vote, make sure it’s your vote! Not theirs! The entertainment industry breeds enough sheeple, don’t become one. Be a leader! Know the BS from both sides and make a decision based on your feelings! However you choose, you will NOT loose…..or die! (whatever that is suppose to mean) Your vote is your own! So own it!

I sometimes wonder if we lived in the some country. Eminem is doing as much damage to young people’s soul as that teletummy things to kids. We in the SBC always pray for you liberals to accept the Good news and not listen to this rap thing. If you do, you will know how great our President Bush is as both the Commander-in-chief in the war against the terrorists and a born-again Christian! you will realise that the Bush’s presidency is indeed a blessing. He is picked by the Almighty to serve this great nation.

“this rap thing” where have you been Maggie?
Your right though about whether or not you live in the same country. I can only imagine where you live, hidden away from life’s realities.
Rap has been around for a long time and represents the reality of todays world.
You can pretend that it is just “some thing.”
But it symbolises all the things you dont see or choose to ignore.

Rap is definitely more than “a thing,” but representing the reality of the World is merely an opinion. It’s definitely a reality for a lot of people and that shouldn’t be overlooked. Rap definitely has beat the ‘test of time’ and isn’t going anywhere. Sometimes there’s a difference as to what the lyrics say and what they mean to you. That doesn’t mean they have the same representation to all. To each their own!

What i meant is that it is one of the realities.
Not the reality.
Crime, drugs, violence and poverty, often the subject of rap/hip-hop aren’t made up.
These things are real and expand much further than U.S. borders.
I don’t know where you live, but it’s more than an opinion where i’m from

I can’t tell if Maggie is making a serious comment or parody.

In case Maggie wasn’t kidding:

Theocracy Watch

The Godly Must Be Crazy
(Why care about the environment when Yawey provides all and Jesus will save us?)

Bush Hides Global Warming Evidence

Bush’s Crimes Against Nature

Red-Heifer Days
(More on those whacky Armageddonists)

“I sometimes wonder if we lived in the some country. Eminem is doing as much damage to young people’s soul as that teletummy things to kids.”

It is my hope that one day religious Americans will begin by asking themselves what kind of anger they may be inciting in their kids by denying them a culture of their own, before they ask themselves what damage popular culture may be doing to their kids. The reason I say this is because most of the people I know who’ve had a strict religious upbringing either ended up hating their parents or doing wildly rebellious things in protest against religious militancy.

“We in the SBC always pray for you liberals to accept the Good news and not listen to this rap thing.”

You should save your prayers for those who need them. We can save ourselves, thanks-very-much.

It is also my hope that one day religious Americans learn to take the “Good News” with the bad news, and not close themselves off from what is happening in the country, or in the world. That they see that it might be a good idea for them to read from a few other sources in order to round out their intelligence. And so, sitting beside their bedside table next to the bible I hope will be the writings of Thomas Jefferson, because that would be the best place for them to begin the beneficial expansion of their knowledge about our country - by getting inside the mind of one who helped more than any other, to shape it.

“If you do, you will know how great our President Bush is as both the Commander-in-chief in the war against the terrorists and a born-again Christian! you will realise that the Bush’s presidency is indeed a blessing. He is picked by the Almighty to serve this great nation.”

And it is my fervent hope that religious Americans never turn the halls of our government into the aisles of a church, because our founders never intended for church and state to be one entity with We the People addressing our leader as the Reverend Mister President. Nor did they intend for our struggles to ever be couched in terms that would in any way, shape, or form, resemble “holy war”.

If the Almighty is listening, then God knows these hopes of mine are only intended for the good of my country and her people.

Joseph wrote:
“I can’t tell if Maggie is making a serious comment or parody.”

I couldn’t either, Joseph. I felt the need to do my rant anyway though, because even if Maggie’s views aren’t for real, there are plenty of others out there who say things just like that and actually mean them.

Check this pic out… comparison of top 16 colleges vs the electoral map. pretty funny.

http://www.wondrousworlds.com/images/misc/maptop16title.jpg

It wasn’t until recent that actual content was on the
> Vote or Die site. I don’t blame these people for
> making money, it’s capitalism at it’s finest!

Nick,

I don’t begrudge you your cynicism, but as an insider who knows the deal I thought I’d just set the record straight.

I worked on P. Diddy’s speech and launch event for Citizen Change, and my little design firm built the Citizen Change Web site. We and the Citizen Change staff added content to the site as fast as we could, but money was tight and almost everyone was donating their time!

The t-shirt proceeds go entirely to Citizen Change itself, not to P. Diddy. Citizen Change is an independent non-profit corporation. All of the stars involved, including P. Diddy, are unpaid. The startup costs were paid by Sean Combs and a couple of big donors, and the ongoing funding comes from Combs, wealthy donors, and individuals buying t-shirts. The t-shirt sales fund the oranizations’s activities, including posters, events, billboards, ads, etc.

Also, 20,000 people have volunteered via the Citizen Change web site. That’s mighty impressive.

Of course this is, in part, a marketing ploy for P. Diddy, but so is every non-Anonymous philanthropic gesture I’ve ever heard of, from the Ford Foundation to the Nobel Prize. I assure you that Puffy’s heart is in this 100%, and that he really sincerely does want young and minority voters to increase their participation in voting.

-Cf

Parody?

To be honest, in our quiet community, Pickerington, OH, we are all appalled by this rap thing. These kind of ‘culture’, if you will, is just a gangster and drug thing sold to young people as pop culture. Our young kids here just do not feel the need to express their feeling through the rap thing. You know, it is all because our community is so pround of our American tradition: being decent, honest and hard-working men and women, stay away from crime and drug and be pious in private lives.

Usually we respect you liberals’ freedom of speech. Many of us just sigh when they read the distortion of truth by Kerry over internet. However I just feel so strongly that I want to let you know how wrong you are. It is just unAmerican to attack our troop when they fought so hard in the war!

We always pray for you and hope you guys somedays will realise how wrong it is believe in this Kerry. Anyway I am sure with the Father’s blessing, Bush will win. No one down here takes Kerry’s spin really seriously.

I was upset when I saw my kids watching an Emem video where he worked in a restaurant and spit on the food of the patrons. All of us who eat in restaurants should think about that one.

However, my first contact with the great white rapper was when I heard that he was in trouble for his racist and sexist remarks, but Emem is no dummy. He quickly understood that he could buy his way to respectability by doing the politically correct thing. It worked. He is still paying off his liberal masters, who control awards and contracts.

I tuned into the new video via the link you provided. As I was watching, my two boys (fans of this sort of thing, unfortunately) came by. They asked me why I was watching Emem, since “you hate him so much”. They also told me that they had seen this video on television and they said it sucked.

I suspect that the audiences for this particular video are rich liberals, not the Marshal’s usual audiences. Once more he is outsmarting “the man” (the liberal establishment) and buying establishment approval so that he can continue to glorify raping and beating women under the protective aegis of political correctness. Emem is no dummy. I am not so sure about some others.

Jack,

Well, who am I to argue with your children.

Your comment about “liberal masters” is a joke. If liberals could dictate what music young people listened to, it wouldn’t be Eminem.

Maggie,

If you are really thinking that it is God’s will for Bush to win, then I hope you are prepared for disappointment. I am not saying that I am certain Kerry will win, but I think he has at least a fifty-fifty chance.

Jack, Eminem was originally signed by Dr Dre but after his first album, he basically had enough to roll his own, as it were, with Shady Records. Dre is not your stereotypical “liberal master” anyway. Unless your talking about some vast left-wing conspiracy I don’t know about ;).

His early lyrics were inflammatory for a reason but it certainly wasn’t because he was some homicidal misogynist. As he has often pointed out, he wouldn’t have been allowed to retain custody of his daughter had this been the case.

And as far as promoting domestic violence, Eminem will never compare to the Super Bowl.

I used to be an eminem fan based on his music however, this time he has gone too far! He casts stones at the president yet is far from a model citizen. If confronted today he would probably blame society for all of his drama and problems, while others who have had similar experiences have been gracious and appreciated their success. Yo EM, when you finally grow up and act more mature, make music that reflects your maturity, and stop promoting violence, maybe I’ll give your opinions some thought. Until then stop brainwashing the kids that look up to you.

Maggie,

I appreciate your concern but I think you underestimate the intelligence of people who can decide for themselves what kind of lives they lead (and what they think of Kerry).

Your opinion as to what constitutes our American tradition is biased toward your choice of lifestyle and doesn’t represent a comprehensive view of American history. Gangsterism is a primary aspect of our nation’s cultural values and heritage (it has even served us in times of war), as much as the WASP work ethic. The railroads weren’t built by saintly capitalists. The Robber Barons were not a myth. Much of the “old money” in this country was not gained by faithful observance of Christian values.

Modern inner-city gangsterism is not unique. If there weren’t so much opportunity in such criminal activity then maybe our nation’s children wouldn’t be so attracted to the lifestyle. The drug war is one of the principle reasons why drug crime pays, and pays well. The marginalization of this culture is also what makes gangsterism so appealing. When mainstream culture doesn’t want one, one tends to gravitate toward those cultures that are more libertine. A sense of communal belonging is a primal human need and satisfying it won’t always follow logic or decency.

Pickerington may be nice and quiet but it is likely because you don’t have those nasty breeding grounds of gangsterism like ghettos filled with vast populations of disenfranchised poor minorities. This may point to an inherent superiority to small communities but it is not an indictment of those larger communities that do suffer these maladies. Neither is it some reason to ostracize such populations nor discount their cultural choices.

But the main point is that artists like Eminem, Fitty Cent, and Nelly are not the cause of these problems. The imperfections of humanity range far and wide; the bile of human behavior runs deep. What rises to the surface is the consequence of this, not the harbinger of it.

I agree that Teletubbies are a problem, though. Not for any illusory effects on an imagined soul but for its actual physical effects on a child’s mental development.

Holy shit people, its a rap video. Its not suppose to be politically correct and all nice and clean.
Eminem isnt supposed to be putting on some goody-two shoes act so that your kids who look up to him, turn out “normal”
Eminem isnt a model citizen, he also isnt running for president.
Many americans arent model citizens, that doesnt mean there not allowed to think that Bush is a rich war-monger. I’ll bet most people you think are “model citizens” arent. You just dont know about it. At least he has the balls to be straight with his message.
As for you Maggie, your wake up call is coning in 3 days. You spend to much time in your quiet town in Ohio, you should go see whats going on in the rest of the country……

Michael:
“I used to be an eminem fan based on his music however, this time he has gone too far!

This is funny - you didn’t listen to any of the rhymes. They address everything in your post:

“He casts stones at the president yet is far from a model citizen. If confronted today he would probably blame society for all of his drama and problems, while others who have had similar experiences have been gracious and appreciated their success.”

Eminem:
“If you don’t understand don’t even bother to ask
A father who has grown up with a fatherless past
Who has blown up now to rap phenomenon that has
Or at least shows no difficulty multi task
And juggling both, perhaps mastered his craft slash
Entrepreneur who has held long too few more rap acts
Who has had a few obstacles thrown his way through the last half
Of his career typical, manure, moving past that
Mister kiss his ass crack, he’s a class act
Rubber band man, yeah he just snaps back”

“Yo EM, when you finally grow up and act more mature, make music that reflects your maturity,”

Eminem:
“if they should argue,
let us beg to differ,
as we set aside our differences, and assemble our own army,
to disarm this weapon of mass destruction that we call our president,
for the present, and mosh for the future of our next generation, to speak and be heard, Mr. President, Mr. Senator”

That army he’s advocating is an army of Voters. Sounds pretty mature to me. He’s no longer an angry youth, he’s a concerned adult citizen and father.

“and stop promoting violence, maybe I’ll give your opinions some thought.”

Eminem:
“I exercise my right to express when I feel it’s time
It’s just all in your mind, what you interpret it as
I say to fight you take it as I gonna whip someone’s ass”

“Until then stop brainwashing the kids that look up to you.”

Brainwashing? You’ve got to be kidding.

Eminem:
“To the people up top, on the side and the middle,
Come together, let’s all bomb and swamp just a little
Just let it gradually build, from the front to the back
All you can see is a sea of people, some white and some black
Don’t matter what color, all that matters is we gathered together
To celebrate for the same cause, no matter the weather
If it rains let it rain, yea the wetter the better
They ain’t gonna stop us, they can’t, we’re stronger now more then ever,
They tell us no we say yea, they tell us stop we say go,
Rebel with a rebel yell, raise hell we gonna let em know
Stomp, push up, mush, fuck Bush, until they bring our troops home come on just …”

“Imagine it pouring, it’s raining down on us,
Mosh pits outside the oval office
Someone’s trying to tell us something, maybe this is God just saying
we’re responsible for this monster, this coward, that we have empowered
This is Bin Laden, look at his head nodding,
How could we allow something like this, Without pumping our fist?
Now this is our, final hour
Let me be the voice, and your strength, and your choice
Let me simplify the rhyme, just to amplify the noise
Try to amplify the times it, and multiply it by six
teen million people are equal of this high pitch
Maybe we can reach Al Quaida through my speech
Let the President answer on high anarchy
Strap him with AK-47, let him go
Fight his own war, let him impress daddy that way
No more blood for oil, we got our own battles to fight on our soil
No more psychological warfare to trick us to think that we ain’t loyal
If we don’t serve our own country we’re patronizing a hero
Look in his eyes, it’s all lies. The stars and stripes
they’ve been swiped, washed out and wiped,”

He’s asking his listeners not be brainwashed by the lies of this administration. You say he’s immature, violent and trying to brainwash the kids, but the truth is, its an anti-war song that encourages people to vote out the man who took us into an unnecessary war. Its mature, non-violent and sharply perceptive.
The meaning of the song went right past you.

Thanks for the lyrics Adrienne.
When I first heard the song I thought it wasnt too bad and wanted to buy the CD.
Now, after reading these lyrics and seeing that it is nothing more than just another celebrity hating Bush using his celebrity status to sway the vote. I no longer will purchase this CD, thanks for saving me the 15 bucks.
Man, I really didn’t think Em would end up selling out.

I wasn’t bashing P. Diddy or the site. It is however the truth that they were on MTV, the Miami awards show, the Real World promos, etc..etc..promoting “Vote or Die” and the site. I was merely crediting the ingenious ploy created by P. Diddy. How can there be so much hype and advertising when there wasn’t even content on the site? Just T-Shirt sales! I think it’s brilliant what he did. I don’t care where the $$ goes. Although I’m sure overhead and some other costs are taken into consideration. ;-) All I’m saying is the agenda was and is clear. Of course that’s just my opinion. I do believe if you’re going to market yourself like that, you should at least get some content up quicker than that. I find it very hard to believe they were too busy making T-Shirts and partying in Miami to place content on a site that they’re luring the youth to. I’m glad to see the site now has some content. I guess better late than never. I still applaud P. Diddy for his efforts, right or wrong. Vote and live! That’s my message.

kctim:
“Now, after reading these lyrics and seeing that it is nothing more than just another celebrity hating Bush using his celebrity status to sway the vote.”

I say more power to ANYBODY who chooses to be brave enough not to sit safely on the fence trying not to offend people on either side. As for celebrities, well, they’re citizens of the United States, too. Why shouldn’t they stand up and speak out for what they believe?

“I no longer will purchase this CD, thanks for saving me the 15 bucks.”

:^ ) I’d be willing to bet that 15 bucks that your deciding not to buy his CD would bother Mr. Mathers one iota.

“Man, I really didn’t think Em would end up selling out.”

So, in your opinion he’s selling out because he’s advocating for something he believes in for the first time in his career? If so, I think thats even funnier than not understanding the meaning of the song.

I personally don’t think Eminem cares who wins. He was going ‘under the radar’ for the last few months. Congrats to him for doing what he does best….controversy! Insofar as the people who want to take him seriously, they have their right to do so if they want. At the end of the day he’s smiling all the way to the bank. Of course he’s a sell out….more money for him! Can’t blame him for that.

“I say more power to ANYBODY who chooses to be brave enough not to sit safely on the fence trying not to offend people on either side.”
- ANYBODY but the Stolen Honor POW’s, right? Everyone wanted their stories suppressed. They didn’t deserve the right to express their views.

“So, in your opinion he’s selling out because he’s advocating for something he believes in for the first time in his career?”

Taylor
Your wrong. Mr. Mathers does not care one iota about whether we buy his CD or not. LOL
- Nope. He’s selling out because he is using his politics to try and sway voters, without any regard for his fans who may not think like him.

The same people who defend his celebrity as way to promote his politically biased ideas are the same ones who cried when he used his celebrity to promote his biased views of gays.

kctim:
“ANYBODY but the Stolen Honor POW’s, right? Everyone wanted their stories suppressed. They didn’t deserve the right to express their views.”

I’m not the Everyone you seem to be referring to. And yeah, I meant ANYBODY who wants to has the right to express their views - that’s what the first amendment is all about.

“Mr. Mathers does not care one iota about whether we buy his CD or not. LOL”

The laugh is on you, kctim. He’s already made so much money off his fans that he won’t lose sleep if this CD doesn’t do as well as the others.

“He’s selling out because he is using his politics to try and sway voters, without any regard for his fans who may not think like him.”

Times have changed, I guess. I’m an (old school) punk rocker. People like me consider sell-outs to be the kind of people who stand in the middle of the road their spit-moistened finger in the air caring whether the opinions of the majority blow in one direction or the other. I was and still am, a fan of people who believe in the power of their own convictions - and the hell with anyone who doesn’t like it.

“The same people who defend his celebrity as way to promote his politically biased ideas are the same ones who cried when he used his celebrity to promote his biased views of gays.”

Well I wasn’t one of those people outraged by what he was rhyming about previously - I’ve always been able to spot Shock Value when I see or hear it, and believe me, its nothing new to me.

Eminem is not only a sell out but a hypocrite. How can you make accusations of anyone but contribute to violence with violent and degrading music? No matter, he is not a real rapper (or one that real rappers acknowledge). Please don’t defend his lyrics as reality becuase it’s not. Anyone that is motivated by him to go out and vote is a moron. Unless you support the degredation of women, violence, or a little blonde whimp that would get punked in the real streets, I suggest you find a real motivation to vote. I suffered a lot of crap in my life but do not go out and publicly promote violence to those that caused the suffering. Point blank, Eminem is a phony and definitly not a motivation to vote.

Michael, his lyrics aren’t reality, which is why you can’t argue that it promotes anything but Eminem. He’s not blond, he bleaches his hair, which he readily admits to. He grew up on “the real streets” of Detroit so I don’t know what you’re talking about there. And what “real rappers” don’t acknowledge him? Here is an adequate overview of Marshall Mathers.

And if he motivates any one person to vote that what harm has been done? None. You can not like his music, but what reason is there to defame him or discount his influence? If he is as bad as you think then let him defame himself.

Joseph,
Do you have children? If not would you allow them to listen to Eminems’s music? Becuase adolescents are his largest listeners in terms of demographics. Would you draw motivation from a Klan member? Because a person that promotes violence and degredation is not worthy of trying to enlighten or motivate people. My message is to those who are vulnerable to being influenced. You can defend eminem or Marshall to your likings however it does not change the fact that he promotes violence, degredation of women, and abuses the right of speech. In terms of real rappers, they might acknowledge him when they are in his company but I’m sure when he is not around, he is the butt of their jokes.

I don’t have children but I wouldn’t have any problem with letting them listen to Marshall if I did. I don’t believe in censorship. I grew up listening to the Dead Kennedys, Suicidal Tendencies, Megadeth, and Slayer. The worst I did was grow my hair long against the protests of my mother. Having listened to Slayer (which was by far my favorite band), by your assessment of music’s deep influence on human behavior, you might think I would end up worshipping Satan, or having sex with corpses, or running rampant through the streets killing people for the glory of evil. The premise is ridiculous and based simply on fear.

Bringing up the Klan is completely without merit. The Klan speaks from deeply held beliefs and they are trying to promote a violent and bigoted social agenda. Eminem is projecting internal struggles through creative expression for the sake of self-promotion to ensure the care and upbringing of his daughter. He had correctly identified the kind of lyrics that would both confront his internal struggle and appeal to the audience he had hoped to have. You take the influence of music too seriously and relinquish any blame from the parents of these hypothetical kids for their lack of concern and control where it matters.

And you try to dodge naming the real rappers who don’t acknowledge him by speculating that they ridicule him in private though I seriously doubt you are privy to such knowledge. By the very terms these phantom rappers probably use in their lyrics, which you have already stated represents their true inner desires, they may use Eminem as the butt of their jokes, but the joke would be on them given that very few rappers are at the level of fame and treasure Eminem is.

Finally, you say your message is to those who are vulnerable to influence. Under your own terms, you are as bad as what you accuse Eminem of being. You are trying to exert undue influence on vulnerable people for the sake of your own agenda of censorship, fear and ignorance.

keep dodging the fact that Eminem promotes violence and degredation. In fact you don’t represent others so you can only speak for yourself in regards to Eminems influence. Censorship? ha,. I worked with an orginization in college called “Project Censorsed” which supported free speech and exposed censored news stories. So don’t educate me on censorship. But let me educate you on human behavior since I majored in Behavioral Sciences and work with “at risk youth” that repeat Mr. Mather’s vulger and degrading lyrics. Unfortunately now days families are almost exstinct so society must protect our children from negative influences such as Mr. Mathers degredation of women and promotion of violence. If you are willing to bet that not one child will engage in violence becuase of Eminem your are a fool. Becuase one violent crime is all it takes to understand that Eminem influences the actions of the adolescents that his lyrics reach. The truth is you agree with my premise but fail to accept it becuase you are still under the influence of the liberals that have no morals.
And by the way do you think real rappers such as DMX, Snoop, Xzibit, Mobb Deep, or even any G-unit members (Fitty, Llyod Banks, or Young Buc) who are on the same label bump Eminem’s shit! Don’t think so.

Your condescending and belligerent tone betrays your hysterical attitude.