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My choice is ObL is captured. My second choice is a terrorist attack on US soil.

I won’t mind if Bush steals this election as long as Ashcroft sings us another song.

LOL

Sorry, but I find it funny that after nearly four years you still haven’t got over Gore losing.

Saying Gore lost is like saying a rape victim asked for it.

Bush is not the only person to steal an election.

LBJ was well known for stealing Texas elections.

If this is a suspect election, I wonder will Americans rise up in revolt? I hope so. Freedom isn’t free. I’m buying a shot gun just in case. Sometimes the only reasoning a thief will understand is a gun at his head. Iraq wasn’t about loving freedom, but November will be.

Ynot, I find it funny you think this has anything to do with Gore.

Escalation in Israel, Iran, or North Korea. US opens a new war front.

You left out China/Taiwan.

Personally, I think electronic voting presents the greatest danger/opportunity.

What dumb-as-a-stump state official buys voting machines that don’t leave a paper trail for use in a recount? And what kind of company provides voting machines with the code in software, rather than embedded on the chip where it can’t be tampered with?

The goober-natorial recall vote in California was a test run of these systems for my state. What a disaster.

joseph Briggs:

DId you miss the initial post where the question is “How will Bush try to steal the election…this time?

Perhaps you didnt understand that it refers to the unsubstantiated conspiracy thinking that the 2000 election was “stolen”. Which would explain why you didnt see any connection to Gore.

I’m with Ynot—-I find it funny that people are actually still looking at it that way. I mean, really….Gore came from a popular incumbent presidency, had what appeared at the time to be a robust economy, had the full support of his party….and still made the election a horse race.

He ran a TERRIBLE campaign, which is why it was close. It really never should have been close—-it only was close because he ran such a poor campaign. Those who complain are like those who complain about the pass interference call in the second quarter of a football game…never once recognizing that their team didnt do enough with the other 59 and a half minutes to win the game.

Smells like sour grapes to me.

Greg says, “If this is a suspect election, I wonder will Americans rise up in revolt? I hope so. Freedom isn’t free. I’m buying a shot gun just in case. Sometimes the only reasoning a thief will understand is a gun at his head.”

Any other Dems want to make threats of violence if the American public doesn’t vote their way? Whose head are you going to put a gun to, Greg?
This kind of rhetoric, even in jest, has no place in our political debate.

Just look at the stuff the black-helicopter crowd Ivan cites are worried about. God forbid we should catch Osama or find weapons of mass destructin before they fall into the hands of terrorists. After all, that might help Bush! Also, god forbid we should pull out of Iraq and give it over to the very same organization, the UN, that the left otherwise wishes to defer to on every matter. That might help Bush! The supposed nuclear weapon find in Iraq was disavowed by the administration almost as soon as it was made by some two-bit Iraqi local newspaper—but as always, this is the sort of thin stuff an attack on the adninistration has to be made of, since (as always) there’s nothing but looniness backing it up.

Yes, joebagonuts, I did read the title. I also read the first line:

President Bush may have stolen the 2000 Presidential Election. That can be argued either way.

I think it can be argued either way, too. I agree Gore ran a bad campaign, he has no one else to blame but himself. I’ve used the same sports metaphor (basketball actually). But I think Bush and company worked the refs better in the last two minutes. And the refs refused to let it go into overtime (okay, that’s the last abuse of that metaphor).

The 2K election was a mess. I think claiming Bush stole the office has rhetorical merit given the whole fiasco. You might think this slight against Bush erodes his legitimacy and credibility as president, but maybe that’s Bush’s fault.

Otherwise I think using the term “stolen” is harmless and I took the post and the poll as a humorous distraction. I honestly thought Ynot’s post was funny since the underlying “joke” isn’t so much about what happened in 2K or to Gore but the perceived nature of the Bush camp, as this dark conspiracy reluctant to relinquish power and willing to do/setup any of the listed deeds to hold onto it. It’s caricature. Maybe the cartoon Bush-in-the-box and the skewed font gave me the wrong impression.

Okay, maybe not as lighthearted as these (which you might’ve seen already):

Liberal Outrage Fatigue

This Land (after a click and a short ad, this leads to a Flash animation, but it’s worth it)

I find it funny that the same Blog that had an article about how the liberals don’t really hate Bush, hosts this disucssion 3 days later. One in which someone says Gore is like a rape victim and that they hope to start a civil war if Bush win’s the election again.

No, that’s not hatred…

I disavow Greg’s comments. I think the Octobersurprise poll is pretty stupid, too.

Bush’s team may have played rough - indeed, played dirty - to win the 2000 recount fight and thus the election, but I am honest enough to admit that I wish Gore’s team had fought just as roughly and just as dirty (but no more roughly and no more dirty!) as the Bush team. I expect no less of Presidential-level politicians. I am reassured that the Kerry team has prepared a tenacious election watch legal team for just such emergencies. I’m sure the Bush team has done the same.

Kerry’s going to beat Bush fair and square. We don’t need kooky conspiracy theories to undermine Bush’s base. It doesn’t ultimately help the anti-Bush cause to propagate nutty ideas like the ones in this poll.

-Cf

Christopher:

I can hardly believe my eyes. I am nearly (but only nearly) speechless in amazement.

We agree!!

I think the October surprise issue is juet positioning by the Dems, actually—and sort of like how the Repubs have positioned Bush in the past. If anything good happens for Bush, the Dems hope to blunt the good news by making it seem conspiratorial.

The Repubs in the past have set low expectations for Bush (such as in the debates against Gore). All Bush had to do really is not totally tank, and he could be said to have surpassed expectations.

We agree that both sides played equally rough and dirty, though I wish they could simply play rough and leave the dirty part out.

I do disagree that Kerry will win, but it is currently closer than I have projected. My projection—-for the past 2 years—-has been and remains that with a level or rising economy in 04, and the lack of a cataclysmic event here or in Iraq, Bush wins in a walk.

It might not be a walk, but I’ll stick with that prediction since I made it already. But secretly, I think its gonna be closer than a “walk”, but will still be a win for Bush.

I don’t think this election will be as close as the last one. I believe this because the last election was a pretty unmotivated one. In this one, one side or another will be in a better position, and that will be that.

And no, I’m not going to even dare a guess at this time. I’m just saying it will be a significant victory for whatever side takes it.

LOL, I was being a little facetious. Imitating Eric’s radicalism to see if it got a rise out of anyone.

But, I do wonder, when would all you patiots out there rise up in defense of democracy?

If Diebold did rig the election, would you just let it happen?

Uhmmmm YEP!

THat was a very inturestin’ uh Quest-chin’ there Greg(with exception to the word; Fascetious which I have to now go look up) Thanx Mucho! Yee Haw! Go Diebold!

Four more years!

Greg, in a hypothetical manner, it’s an interesting question. I think the only way people will “rise up” is if the manipulation is so egregious and obvious that the military, the National Guard, or the police are actually mobilized “in defense of democracy.”

It’s also interesting that “Spectacular terrorist attack on US soil!” is one of the choices. God forbid that should happen again, but if it does, I don’t think Americans will rally ‘round Bush. Rather, I suspect that people will be pissed that, after three years and despite the erosion of our civil liberties, the United States is no safer than it ever was.

And joe, I predict the only “walk” Bush will be taking, is back to Texas or Wyoming or Connecticut, or wherever he wants to pretend he’s from. :)

AP:

Bush is really from Texas (y’know, the cowboy thing and all) but sometimes pretends to be from MAINE, not Connecticut.

And it is Cheney who pretends to be from Wyoming….lol

George W. Bush was born in New Haven, Connecticut.
He did grow up in Texas, but until the 2000 elections he preferred urban vacations around the Dallas/Austin areas. Then in 99/00 he set up the whole Crawford ‘ranch’ persona. So he could be considered a Texan, but the whole cowboy image is a marketing stunt. He’s a city kid, and the few cattle on his ranch are owned by the guys who owned the ranch before GW bought it. Ironicly, the Mayor of Crawford is a democrat and is endorsing Kerry.

{Saying Gore lost is like saying a rape victim asked for it.

Bush is not the only person to steal an election.

LBJ was well known for stealing Texas elections.}

No, you’re right, there have been stolen (rigged) elections.

JFK’s close win against nixon comes to mind.

(At least Nixon had the good grace to not split the country even more by crying about it)

Thanks peezee. Did anyone else catch joe’s reference to Cheney’s scramble to prove, even though he’d lived in Texas since ‘95, paid local residency taxes in Dallas County Texas, listed himself as a resident of Texas on his federal tax returns, and had all his cars registered in Texas, that he wasn’t really a Texan?

At the time, I remember thinking Cheney and his lawyers were really slick. That could have cost them the election, since it’s illegal for the president and the VP to be from the same state.

I remember that, too, Pundit. A tiny taste of the kind of shenanigans we were getting into.

-Cf

You best be glad Bush won the election because clinton and gore did nothing for 8 yrs to stop the terrorists attacks. The towers might be standing today if clinton had of done something in 1993 when the towers were first attacked.

Nothing was done about the 1995 car bombing that killed 5 Americans. Nothing was done about our embassies in Africa when they were bombed. The USS Cole was bombed in 2002 and 17 US sailors were killed, yet Clinton and the Democrats did nothing!! It was the Democrats that put us in the Vietnam war which was not a threat to our Nation yet they are against the war on the terrorists. Better vote Bush because the Terrorists are pulling for Kerry.

Oh and by the way…Saddam was a bigger terrorist than Bib Laden…he owned his own country.

Correction: The Cole was attacked 2000

I am glad Bush did not allow France, Russia, or Germany treat him like a puppet on a string.

If you are voting for Kerry, why not just vote for Charic?? France would love that!!

Electronic voting machines are how he will steal the election. All you have to do is turn them off in a few key black counties and say they are out of order. Those people don’t get to vote and with the redistricting, there aren’t any swing precincts anymore so the key counties can be easily identified.

The blacks aren’t sophisticated enough to sue or anything like that so they will just go home most likely.

Good one, Kelly.

Seriously, though. I just saw this on CNN.

“A computer crash erased detailed records from Miami-Dade County’s first widespread use of touchscreen voting machines”

“The malfunction was made public [ONLY] after the Miami-Dade Election Reform Coalition, a citizen’s group, requested all data from the 2002 gubernatorial primary between Democratic candidates Janet Reno and Bill McBride.”

Otherwise, it never would have been mentioned.

You won’t be fooled again?! If you still believe the Sore/Loserman cries of foul play, you are STILL being fooled.

Just check out the recounts conducted by the liberal press….Bush won ALL OF THEM, and Bush even won the recount conducted by one news publication who used Gore’s relaxed and distorted standards (Bush’s actual total went up in this re-count).

I think that there will be a bogus, failed, terrorist attempt on the Presidents life a week before the election. This will gain him tremendous public sympathy while showing that the American people are still vulnerable to a terrorist attack.

The REAL PRESIDENT AL GORE didn’t lose anything. The damn election stolen. In fact it was rigged before it took place with all that purging and other illegal crap in Florida. Jeb Bush and Katherine Harris are so evil and corrupt, they make me want to barf. Some of you people are so dumb.AL GORE never got one fair re-count in Florida. Damn Bush and his lying cronies and thugs sabotaged the recounts because they knew AL GORE won Florida and the 200 election. WAKE UP

Yo boyfriends and girlfriends. There’s no such thing as a war on terror or terrorism. You people need to wake your asses up. Look up the definition of war in the dictionary. A real war requires an identifiable enemy. 9/11 was an inside job. The war in Iraq is a way for bush, cheney and his cronies to make money through arms and munitions sales. Remember, follow the money trail. Americans have been duped again and for you alls information most elections in the past 45 years have been stolen either through 3rd party candidates or such as the 2000 debacle.